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Are these, like the glove 80 or Voyager or Kinesis, good for dealing with tendinitis? I’ve really been developing more pain in my tendons which is likely due to my desk being higher and arching my wrist. I feel like split keyboards are the only ones for me that will keep my tendon flares in my hands with their ergonomics. Any thoughts?

13:10 I have seen some controller software that lets you set up profiles. IE Launching a game? Swap to the appropriate game style profile. Is this an option & if not should it be?

Thanks for the great video. I've been looking for a better keyboard for many years, but I was trying to find not only split programmable keyboard but also wireless. And finally I found and use for over a year now which is Dygma Defy I love it so much that I am currently waiting for Dygma Raise 2 which has different layout than Dygma Defy and is open for extensions (which currently don't exist). Both have great integrated tenting and I love first one (second one not arrived yet). The Moonlander and other split keyboards didn't conviene me due to being only wired solution and their tenting kits if exist are a lot bigger. I was also wondering about Glove80 but seems that build quality is not there yet. How do you like its build quality? Maybe you will compare Dygma keyboards with this ones in the future.

Why oh why are you going to the net and calling yourself Dygma :D Jokes will write themselves :D

I still dont know to get a glove80 or defy. If ergonomics is my first priority, so I should choose glove80 without doubt?

Ferris Sweep is super cheap and don't need diodes so no need to solder small surface mount parts. I also modified mine to work with Vial which in my oppinion is one of the most powerful qmk configurators out there.

I prefer the regular Kinesis Advantage 360 over the glove 80. I prefer the fact that it has different sized keys on the thumb cluster. Also the tenting on the Kinesis feels better imo.

I watched a ton of videos and did a lot of research to find the perfect keyboard for me. Your videos helped me choose the glove80 and I literally can't imagine life without it now. I'm a full time software engineer and this has been one of the best purchases of my career! Thanks so much for the great videos and recommendation. Can't sing my praises of the keyboard enough

I always had a feeling that heavier switches made it difficult for me to type all day...thanks for confirming my doubt.

The quirk you encountered where you have to be focusing on another app, or terminal capturing your keypresses - Karabiner-Elements can probably overcome it. It's scarier to configure, as it requires a JSON config file and you'd use terminal commands to launch apps - it's not as friendly for non-coders. Not sure if Raycast would be able to circumvent the terminal issue either, but it's probably a much easier to configure than native MacOS method.

My main reason for rejecting the so called "Moon lander" is the name. I can't trust people who believe in the moon landing.

Great video! I found the transition to the new key layout very painful and actually gave up at the first attempt. Went back to it a month or 2 later and now I absolutely love it. I've been going through some novels and short stories on Entertrained and can type for a really long time without fatigue! Instead of an expensive mounting system, I use a small sack of rice on the desk for positional tenting. Works surprisingly well and cost me about £8 in total. (I don't care about esthetics, clearly...) 😆 The only thing that might be even more comfortable for me is a dactyl manuform. I don't really like hitting the thumb-clusters with the side of my thumb and now have calluses there - with a manuform you hit them with the pads.

365$? Hahahaha I preffer a Kineses Advantage 360.

Yes, you can pick lighter keys switches or you can workout your forearms.

An abomination like dvorak

Are you single ???

I'm a normal keyboard user and completely new to split keyboards. I have been dealing with tennis elbow pain plu I live in India. I confused as to which keyboard to buy! Currently shortlisted include Degma defy And Voyager Dicid

I was liking the kinesis but after this video I think that I can buy the glovo 80. I've only one question about the hand size. Is there any resource over the net that make some consideration about preferred ergonomib keyboards over hand size? Because I don't know if big and little hands feel the same with curved keyboards...

I would really like a nice ergonomic keyboard, but i'm not spending 400$ lol

isnt there a split keyboard with mouse control ? trackpad joystick or something ?

Their pricing for add-ons is absolutely absurd. $80 for tenting is bonkers. You can get a decent entire mechanical keyboard for that price.

I switched to the glove80 in March and almost gave up on learning it out of frustration with how slow I was even after two weeks. Going from 120 wpm down to 20-30 while constantly having to look down at the keyboard was extremely demoralizing. But then it had hit me that my RSI had completely vanished. I stuck it out and while I'm not back to my full speed, I am at the point where my typing speed is not a limiting factor. For me the single biggest improvement is in the thumb clusters. The ulnar deviation from reaching for modifiers with my pinky was what was causing me issues. The split design, curved key well, etc. for me were probably not entirely necessary.

- Voyager and glove 80 owner here. Voyager's thumb cluster is a bit of a joke as the only realistic useful keys are the 1-2 ones close to the rest of the board. The red key? good luck reaching that. The lack of key dwell makes it hard for small-hand people and eventually I developed some pain on my hand from extending my index finder to reach columns 5,6,7,8,9,10. - Glove 80 ergonomics are just superior in almos every aspects. My main complains are: typing experience is a bit flat and i find traditional cherry like switches more enjoyable to type than choc ones. This one might be only me, but sometimes keys are sent twice leading to typos/errors, specially when releasing other keys at the same time. Also I don't find it as responsive and can notice some micro latency when typing.

On the bit about pre-builts being "too-expensive", I think the problem isn't just the absolute price. Its also also the fact that for many people a split, non-row-staggered keyboard is a form factor entirely foreign to them. Where I'm from, a Moonlander or Voyager comes to over $500 after currency conversions. For enthusiasts, adventurers or people who's health problems are severe enough this can be justified. But for a lot of people, dropping $400, $500, $600+ on a form factor that they've never used, that looks completely weird to them, and that they don't even know if they're going to like is a biiiiiiig ask. Even for me the only reason I'm spending $550 on a moonlander is because I've seen enough people say it's helped their pain, and I'm desperate enough to take the risk of it not working out. Not sure what the solution to this problem is though.

Came for the keyboards stayed because you have a beautifully balanced mic! 🫡

For future videos I would recommend trying to make like 80% of visuals b-roll of either you using the keyboards or just showing the keyboards themselves while talking over the footage. I think a lot of people want to see all the keyboards you have and how they look compared to each other, especially with that thumbnail (it will also probably up the retention)

Loved your review on the Glove80, helped me pull the trigger. It truly is insanely comfortable - it also took my wpm from 70 to 100! I’ve also pre-ordered the Master Forge, I’d be excited to get your view - even if it’s just your impression on the idea of using those switches and chording. Thanks for what you do man!

For a keyboard advice video; there's a sever lack of keyboard being shown

Thx! (I`still waiting for good combinations of track ball + ergo-Keyboards)

I like a moonlander with a couple of layers. Gotta put a gaming layer on there imo

call me crazy but i want to buy voyager for gaming. Call me even crazier, but i want to play an MMO-like game on it. There isn't enough keys on the left side to make it work.. i currently have 27 binds, and 1 voyager side only has 26 keys... but i hope i can make it work with that software...

It feels like very honest review, thank you

If it does not have 3 keys per thumb, then it's not an ergo keyboard. Glove80 looks nice, but I'd prefer slightly staggered key rows, pretty much a regular keyboard, just with 3 thumb keys. Dygma has only 2 keys per thumb. YMDK split is nice, but why does it have these large keys in the bottom row - what's the point, just give us 3 1u thumb keys.

Their firmware is really bad, and it doesn't support the Brazilian layout. The problem with that is that, unlike other unsupported layouts, just configuring it as an English layout doesn't work, as the English keyboard has less keys. Their lack of interest in adding supporting has been a big disappointment.

I'd be curious to hear what would have to change in your workflow that would make you consider Create's high price. I'm the community moderator, I could answer any questions you have about it too. Good video all in all, it's crazy how expensive electronics can get.

Woah is that Create in the thumbnail? I'm curious to see your insight here.

Ligma Labs

Have you been checked for Cubital Tunnel?

try the roccat kone xp air mouse, should be a better mouse for you

For the EU residents Defy is very competitive when it comes to pricing. Glove80 is around 530€, Kinesis Advantage 360 Pro is around 600€.. Defy ranges from 340 to 600. Yes, they all are expensive.

It's over 9000 (almost)!

My problem with these kind of split keyboards is that they are so expensive for what they are, mainly in how they are lacking many basic features i would expect from a keyboard of that price. Most commonly this is the ability for hotswap switches, and/or more understandably, the lack of additional keycap sets i could use for any one of these.

to be honest, dont think about it too hard. Choose any one of it, it definitely wont be your last :P

damn for an entry level it's way more expensive if you consider switch choices and tenting Edit: While I do respect that they are open about their problems, it's way more expensive than other alternatives that are stable and include more at a lower price.

I use a ferris sweep right now, thinking of getting a glove80 now.

Such a shame they didn't get it working with VIAL. Big miss.

A little late to the video but thank you so much for mentioning the Dygma Defy and the Dygma Raise 2; as soon as we ship all the pre-orders (customers come first 😅)we'll send you one Raise 2 to test! 😊

kinesis user here, i had no issue wirh the signature model regarding the bluetooth. From what i have seen on the net many stated that they improved the bluetooth connectivity

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I am happy that you have spent the time and put the effort into making videos about these keyboards, you have played a major role in my choice for opting for one (getting the Glove80 cherry blossoms + the mounting kit), so, thank you. I would love to see more about mounting, to the chair, desk and whatnot (this seems to be missing from YT, haven't found the "ultimate" video about it). Also I would be a loyal viewer if you would branch out and make videos with the same level of depth, and I guess "care" (which I believe you genuinely have).