And it's not just wheelchairs. I have heart problems. Visiting a friend in NYC 4 years ago I struggled going up and down all the stairs. Due to multiple factors, including the rigor of subway I wound up spending 2 days in the hospital, most of my trip. Not all disabilities are clearly visible.
I have Epilepsy, and after a full MRI, discovered I must have been asleep when it actually happened, discovered that at some point in my life, I had a Lacinur Stroke. Neither are obvious. What people with your kind of problems should do is use the buses.
@Jimmy I have a congenital heart arrhythmia.... so there's really no "getting used to it". The more strain I put on my heart the faster my condition progresses. Thanks for laughing though at something that's nearly killed me twice.
@@richietattersall2122 I'll keep that in mind. At the time I was visiting. My friends live there and mainly know the subway to get back and forth, especially living in Brooklyn and working in Manhattan.
I think you mean for buses, I believe all Metro buses do so. For San Diego to open the trolley doors there is a green button and a blue button. The green button opens the doors normally, the blue button opens the doors outward and releases a ramp.
the thing is being an elevator mechanic kinda requires you to be able to do most things still, if you can't use your legs it is hard to climb a ladder.
Like the video says not every station is built in a way that platform level lines up with a place at street level where an elevator could be placed. The system being old makes it a lot more complicated than just convincing them to put in elevators.
Anurag B It seems like an easy fix until you look at some of the old Els in brooklyn that go back 140 years. Those would be tough to upgrade. And being that MTA is already cash-strapped, it's hard to imagine them being ADA accessible any time soon.
I was just there with my son in his wheelchair. We were part of a group and elevators out of order with no other option was a real issue. We had to make several dangerous descents down stairs in his chair in order to stay with his 8th grade class. The condition and reliability of the ADA accessible stations was sad at best.
Shameful. Every station in Hong Kong has a clean, working elevator. And we Americans still claim to be the best. Edit: I'm not anti American. I want us to be the best, but I think it is delusional to claim so now despite the terrible state of our big cities.
We are the best. Just because Hong Kong has nice subway elevators doesn't make it a better country. I'll take human rights and broken elevators over a country where you can't really own land.
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 If NY subway was properly repaired it wouldn't matter. The point is it should never reach this condition in the first place. If the elevator is broken, find the money and fix it for the sake of the people that have to use it everyday.
@@dannydaw59 If we are still the best, why aren't we setting the standard for quality of life in our cities? (Of which infrastructure is an important piece) There was a time not even a century ago when our subway was on the cutting edge of technology, but you can't say that now.
I’m a lifelong New Yorker who recently became disabled after a car accident. I seriously never gave it any thought as to how bad I would have it after losing my knee. I’ve stuck to taking buses which make my commutes arduous but at least I can get SOME assistance from the driver. Trains are slowly becoming a distant memory to me.
It sounds like elevators are not a feasible the solution to the problem because the platforms where not built with elevators in mind and it would take putting elevators in the basements of towers to get all the stations to have one. Has anyone thought of using lift platforms that follow the path of the existing stairs. They would have less capacity but could be cheaper to install and still offer accessibility.
lift platforms are very slow, they are OK as an aftermarket solution for a school with 1 student on a wheelchair, it's no good for a transit hub. Also they take away staircase space and they are not useful for other fragile users or people traveling with heavy goods. You can still build an elevator and then a corridor to the platform, or even multiple elevators, it just costs money.
lift platforms are to slow for a high capacity rail station. I think lift platform only work if there’s like four or five steps as well, The rail stations have too many and some are very steep.
You'll propose this and then they complain that they're slow. Would you rather something be slow or non existent? This a cheaper solution that we can deploy en masse.
you could just build a ramp like what many European railway stations have which go under the tracks to get to the other platform. also the lifts that the MTA have installed at stations have severely cut space on the platform around the lift so to get to the end of the platform would require walking on the yellow line that is usually painted on the edge of the platform here in the UK.
Not much different in London depending on where you're going. A friend was taking someone in a wheelchair on a journey for work and in the end they had to give up.
Well london has around 300-400 stations. But we only have 100-150 step-free stations. The tubes the oldest metro in the world. We face same problems as nyc. Where the hell would the elevator go.
We have to change the narrative about it being for people with disabilities, most ADA modifications are also used for moms and dads with strollers, older people, people with temporary disabilities, etc. I’m a strong believer that the 24/7 subway system is outdated and we need to close it nightly for repairs like the successful systems in London, Tokyo, HK, etc do. They all close late at night. It’s not cultural if its stupid.
@@rustzz8 that physical accommodations only benefit people on wheelchairs, they are for everyone's benefit. If you say it like that, people can see how it affects more people.
Most of the NYC subway system is over 100 years old. It runs 24/7, and would cost BILLIONS of dollars to make every one of it's 468 stations fully ADA.
@@jackarrows1436Thanks, I live in Coney Island Brooklyn and my father used to work at the NYCTA Subway Shops in Coney Island. I'm allot more aware of how it actually works then most people because of that. Every single new bus is set-up for wheel chairs, they've been doing that since the ADA was signed.
Well, compared to Paris, it is extremely accessible. For the stations, nearly all of them require you to be able to stand to even enter. For the trains, on half of the lines(out of 16) you have to be able to see to know where you are. On the other half announcements exist, and all lines you can hear a door close alert, but nothing visual. Only 5 of the metro’s lines have a visual way of telling where you are besides looking onto the platform, and within those 5, one runs two different types of trains, with the older of the two outnumbering the newer one 2:1, and only the newer one has a visual information system.
You're all so naive! If you are in a wheelchair, then a bus with wheelchair access will get you and drive where you want with the same price as a subway ticket (ACCESS-A-RIDE). But why should VICE leftist propaganda mention it?
Regarding the disabled access on the subway your late 1980s station like Lexington Avenue 63rd Street and Jamaica Parsons Archer are the 1st ada accessible stations. A comparison San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit and Washington Metro have been Ada accessible since day 1 the 1970s
I have to imagine east coast cities are much more cramped in their design, compared to the west with its amplitude of space and its much younger cities. Not that that's an excuse, just the reason they're like that.
The BART train stations in the San Francisco bay area are 100% accessible. The elevators do stop working occasionally but they constantly announce which elevators are out at every stop and what to do. There is also an elevator status page on the BART website so you can see which elevators are out and when they will be back in service. This is the same with escalators. Unfortunately, if you are escalator dependent, there are always at least a handful out. Defecation by the homeless is destroying escalators.
@777Dubliner Amazon was being paid to come to nyc 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ we would LOSE money in the short term for the next few decades. Also if Amazon did arrive, the already overcrowded 7 line would only get more crowded. That would mean even less room for your precious elevator
Besides cost, the other problem is actually trying to find a way to fit the elevators into them, because some stations have no space because it's already too crowded and tightly spaced as it (59 street-Lexington Ave comes to mind)
Maybe think of devices other than traditional elevators. There's 100's of different lifts available that don't require the space and materials that elevators do.
It's crazy cause I was unsympathetic to disabled people before. I just pulled a muscle in my back and couldn't move for a couple of weeks and suddenly a new world was opened up to me. Even though it was a minor thing and I am hundred percent again, I understand the pain more now. It's sad that sometimes if humans can't relate, they don't get it. It didn't click in my head till it happened to me.
i am HERE for this. and relate hard as someone who suddenly lost my cardiac pump function (ya know upon moving). basically my body bloodchokes and piosons itself when I go to walk/move.
How about doing a story about how the ADA is a curse to blind people. By putting curb cuts at corners there's no way for them to tell where the sidewalk ends and the street begins. The corner pads are useless to the blind. If you doubt this, just ask a blind person.
the ADA is a curse to blind people!?? GTFOH. The ADA's all me or you got!! Firstly ALL the other protections for blind folks are FROM the ADA. Second curb cuts can and OUGHT to be widely upgraded with GROOVES that make that tactile-ness felt for blind folks--even if I as a wheelchair user find that annoying i'm all for making it inclusive.
@@rebeccalynn5014 That's...not what I'm talking about. What I am referring to is the out of touch people that say ridiculous things (like how the 24/7 subway system is outdated), etc.
@@barrybambmessagedeletedbyy7467 Yet millions of people use the subway in New York everyday. People may not want to, but they need to for transportation.
I tend to stick to the bus because of lack of elevators. I’m better off then most, I only have a cane but I have osteoarthritis in both knees. It takes forever to get anywhere but I bring a book and my water bottle and I’m good.
Zach Brown I am well aware of the B39, and it is a route that can be more useful than a lousy Williamsburg Bridge Shuttle. Perhaps go to the Grand Street stop on the L and maybe extended in Manhattan, that way, the route would draw more ridership. And aside from the B39, there is no other local route going between Brooklyn and Manhattan.
I have lived in NYC for 47 years. And taken the subway since I'm a kid. I have never seen a person in a wheelchair ride the subways. If I had my own personal set of wheels, I wouldn't take the subway either.
never seriously!?? I'm about to do so for one of hte time frist times (symptoms permitting) tomorrow!! but i've seen a FEW in my time here since 2008. NOT ENOUGH but a few!!
Oh they do NOT think so!! I was denied AAR even bc they're happy to just DARE ME TO GO DIE rather than give me a DIME back of the services my 20-30K YEARLY in taxes paid for before I became disabled.
1:53 Ramps don’t take up much space and they can go in any path so they could be an option. They do require more time and effort to use but they’re better than no accessibility at all.
So, the MTA won’t fix it and here we are taking up the fire department’s time by making them carry us up and down stairs if it’s our only option. No one at MTA sees a problem with that?!
Back in 2019 I went to NYC for my daughter's graduation from Columbia. Even on her campus very hard to get around... the city bus were helpful... the drivers were nice and attentive. But I couldn't use the subway. This major city needs to do better for disabled Americans.
Recently broke my leg. I’m currently in a cast, I have to use crutches. And this city is just horrible. No one gets out of the handicap seating, and if they’re working the elevators smell like urine. Not only that when I do get off the train I have to pay for a taxi to commute home because the stations nearest me have no accessibility for handicapped people.
It's really all about money... how cost effective is complying with ADA vs the total number of riders served. Easier in some places, way tougher in others.
that's BS. It's cost effective AF bc making accessibilty upgrades BENEFITS EVERY BODY. I don't care how "able" bodied you are, try rolling a laundry cart or an upright bass up 4 flights of stairs to get into/out of the A train at 2 AM or when you're running late for a gig/appointment/party/visit/booty call. I rest my case.
When you add in the extortion lawsuits disable people bring against small businesses because they don't fully comply with ADA requirements its another burden for society to foot the bill. Now, ADA is going after commercial aircraft to make it more expensive for everyone to travel.
2:25 Elevators that work seems to be a problem for a lot of public transit networks. Not just in the US. London and Paris both seem to have issues. Paris being better than London. At least from my anecdotal experience. I wonder if there has been surveys done on various metro stations in the world to see who has elevators at each station and who has the most reliable elevators. It's the later part I am more interested in. I often see/hear announcements of elevators broken at station X. Thankfully some stations in some cities have multiple elevators, so they will say take X street exit. But it does seem to be common to have broken elevators. I am willing to bet Tokyo and other Japanese cities are toward the top, just because the Japanese have a higher expectation of things just working. And just an FYI, I am fully mobile, but I have family members and friends who have various mobility issues so I find myself noticing tripping hazards, lack of ramps, and lack of [working] elevators.
That's disgusting that many stations aren't accessible to people with disabilities. Here in Chicago we have a similar problem but not that extreme. Of the 146 stations on the L only 48 stations aren't accessible compared to the 313 on The MTA that isn't accessible. That's unacceptable to allow to happen.
The CTA has now over 100+ stations (103 now) that are accessible (42 stations that are not accessible), and there will be FOUR new accessible stations to come on the Red Line sometime in 2024 (Bryn Maur, Berwyn, Argyle, and Lawrence)! Add another station that will be reopening on the Green Line (Damen), and we are down to 38 stations without an elevator on the CTA (that's about 74% of our system with an elevator).
if the current elevators are unmaintained adding more would only compound the problem. first the government needs to nationalise the entire subway system so that it stops running for profit, then it needs to be completely redone because the system is decades old. the redo should include the much more sensible option of adding ramps instead of elevators.
3 years ago I went with my friend to New York and we use the train and only one elevator wast working Loki me i was strong enough to take him Upstairs or downstairs. But yeah for a person with Disability’s is super mega hard to Move around
"Fully accessible" I had to take the 6 from Grand Central to 125th just to switch over to head back to Grand Central to get on the side of the platform with a working elevator so I could get on the 7 train. Even then the train isn't flush with the platform making it dangerous/impossible to get on the train unassisted.
London is remarkable better than it used to be. I have a form of cerebral palsy where when I was younger I couldn’t walk until I was 7 but The Tube considering it’s nearly 160 years old in many sections of the capital is relatively easy to get around. I find the stairs easier to manage with a break in between but that’s only necessary at the stations with escalators and stairwells only. London has around 160ish stations accessible but the definition is sketchy as they also included escalators into the step free category which is illogical as for someone like myself with a visual impairment as well as cerebral palsy that’s not safe and that categorisation process needs to be re-examined.
If you’re looking to travel here. Buses are an option. They may get stuck in traffic. But, they’ll lower the bus for you to get on ramp and hook you in. Bus for wc’s is better. IMO. Slower though.
I understand where all these people are coming from, but to be fair, it isn't quite fair to compare NYCs MTA with other cities, like they said, the MTA is 100 years and also the other Metros around the world were built after WWII when all these accessibilities were considered and built into while also rebuilding cities.
MTA elevators are mostly out of order. They turn into homeless shelters at night. Super fowl odors, spills and stains 24/7 and the MTA never bothers to clean it up, disinfect it at the very least. MTA does not give a shit about disability, elderly, pregnant women, parents with strollers, quite frankly they don't care about anyone. Fare prices keep going up and less gets done. Construction crews often stand around doing nothing. It's a shit show compared to all the other modern transit systems in the world.
I’m disabled. I’ve hard time, climbing up and down stairs. I can only do stairs one at a time. Cause of my hip fusion. So if I ever visit NYC. I’ll use the elevator get down or up to use the subway station.
I've been to New York. It has some of the worst infrastructure in the country but some how everything has a toll or a fee. that money is obviously being stolen or misused.
The subway needs major overhaul, but it has the best infrastructure in the country still. No other city has a functional public subway or train system. It’s light years ahead of everyone else.
@@jamieism so you have proof your infrastructure is the best? sorry i dont believe random crap from strangers. and i wouldnt classify having a train as light years ahead. there are plenty of other cities that have a railway as transportation such as san diego or austin. the only thing you have thats light years ahead of everyone is your ego.
VICE CAN WE GET A REPORT ON HOW RACIST THE MTA IS WIT THERE TRAIN STATIONS PERIOD IN LOW IN COME AREA TRAIN STATIONS LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES IN MANHATTAN I CAN SHOW U MY SELF MTA MAKES MILLIONS IN A DAY IN THE BRONX VERY LIL TO NONE ELEVATORS OR RAMPS FOR THE PEOPLE WIT DISABLITYS
@@Retrotoys80 Child's Play, You haven't seen how crazy it is in NYC and it's subway, This is coming from a new yorker like me that's experienced all of the craziness of people on the subway...
The stations that would've looken great with elevators were the stations that was renovated as part of the Enhanced Station Initiative that Andrew Cuomo proposed. It is such a shame that Andrew Cuomo didn't mentioned anyrhing about adding elevators to the stations that were renovated as part of the ESI renovations. Andrew Cuomo should receive a really serious punishment and he must know that all stations must include elevators during the stations renovations. I hope that the future ESI stations receives elevators because CBS 2 News already made its statement that the MTA will now have to install elevators during the stations renovations.
I don't want to be rude but should the MTA prioritize more on it's infrastructure like its over 80 year old signaling system and etc than what 10% of its ridership??
TheVikas trust me it’s more than 10%, thousands of riders can suffer injuries of a variety of kinds, that would render their ridership experience. I fucked up my knee pretty badly once and learned really quickly how the elevators are unreliable. Not every station has an escalator, too. I agree the signal system is really dangerous but they have the funding. There has not been proper reinvestment in the MTA.
And big wheels have been proven a faster mode of transportation than crosstown buses in Manhattan, for instance. Perhaps if the system worked for everyone and properly, it wouldn't need to give free rides on slower forms of transit that clog roads further and cost money that would better serve the system if spent elsewhere.
I love it how people say something like “ it’s just putting an elivator in over 200 stations, why haven’t we figured it out yet” while for decades plans have been made so obviously they are either taking longer than expected (since doing a major construction project in the middle of NYC isn’t the simplest of tasks), my question to all the critics is “if it’s so simple to plan it out and execute, why haven’t you just make a plan or come up with a solution that we can use and do it.” Ohh yea you can’t do or plan it cause even though it’s been decades, c,early it can’t be done because if it could be done I guarantee it would have been
Very frustrating. But be aware not all disabilities are visible. I have heart problems. I'm 28 and look outwardly healthy. But excessive physical activity can cause my arrhythmia to worsen. I get judgmental looks a lot in places where I use the elevator for like 1 floor, or on the subway. And it's because people assume. Just a different perspective on the issue.
@@richardpowell4281 Very true. I was with an older relative of mine and we were taking the elevator at Broadway/Nassau on the A/C, she saw a younger man was sort of confused. He pulled down his shirt to show a scar that he had heart surgery, then she showed him her scar-so you never really know what someone is dealing with from their outward appearance.
@@maxwellapton9538 I have Epilepsy, and after a full MRI, discovered that at some point in my life I must have been asleep when it actually happened, had a Lacinur Stroke, neither are obvious.
People really forget that they can become disabled at _any_ time!
yeah, everyone takes it for granted...until it happens
Yes I became disabled at 29 without knowing because it happened with back surgery out of no where and been that way 6 years has been difficult.
Nikki Miller - very sorry to hear that Nikki. Do you live in NYC? How are things where you live?
@@LanakilaMiller i've been living with issues going on 20 years now
@@Sanctifires it'll be 20 for me in October
And it's not just wheelchairs. I have heart problems. Visiting a friend in NYC 4 years ago I struggled going up and down all the stairs. Due to multiple factors, including the rigor of subway I wound up spending 2 days in the hospital, most of my trip. Not all disabilities are clearly visible.
I have Epilepsy, and after a full MRI, discovered I must have been asleep when it actually happened, discovered that at some point in my life, I had a Lacinur Stroke. Neither are obvious. What people with your kind of problems should do is use the buses.
@Jimmy I have a congenital heart arrhythmia.... so there's really no "getting used to it". The more strain I put on my heart the faster my condition progresses. Thanks for laughing though at something that's nearly killed me twice.
@@richietattersall2122 I'll keep that in mind. At the time I was visiting. My friends live there and mainly know the subway to get back and forth, especially living in Brooklyn and working in Manhattan.
Jimmy You are likely just fat and don’t have a heart condition. That’s so rude to tell the other person to get used to it...
i had that problem in japan as well...
Wow, here in Australia the staff roll out a ramp for elderly and wheelchair users.
@@DeeraFeeDakeeka Yes.
ATOM AU not true, I’ve been to Australia and the service there is appalling
@@MannyRoad I live in Australia and i am in a wheelchair myself, and catch the train daily, i think i know what im talking about...
I think you mean for buses, I believe all Metro buses do so. For San Diego to open the trolley doors there is a green button and a blue button. The green button opens the doors normally, the blue button opens the doors outward and releases a ramp.
Rolling out a ramp is a lot less expensive
So basically if you're disabled in NYC you should become an elevator mechanic to solve most of your problems.
the thing is being an elevator mechanic kinda requires you to be able to do most things still, if you can't use your legs it is hard to climb a ladder.
Fun fact in New York City you do NOT need a license to work on an elevator!!
@@JudsonGraham now that explains why the elevators is out of order
LMBOOOOO my FAV part of these comments so far!! Yeah why don't we just overcome that way!?
Every station should have an elevator. I can't even fathom why there wouldn't be.
Alan d'Eon and still.. it’s just an elevator. It’s not like we’re building a colosseum..
@Alan d'Eon Other platforms of similar costs to elevators can run sideways too, escalators can be fitted to accommodate wheelchair users too.
Like the video says not every station is built in a way that platform level lines up with a place at street level where an elevator could be placed. The system being old makes it a lot more complicated than just convincing them to put in elevators.
they had to install by private company... it not free...
Anurag B It seems like an easy fix until you look at some of the old Els in brooklyn that go back 140 years. Those would be tough to upgrade. And being that MTA is already cash-strapped, it's hard to imagine them being ADA accessible any time soon.
I was just there with my son in his wheelchair. We were part of a group and elevators out of order with no other option was a real issue. We had to make several dangerous descents down stairs in his chair in order to stay with his 8th grade class. The condition and reliability of the ADA accessible stations was sad at best.
Its that and the MetroCard machines, they both always seem to be down.
Thank you so much for shedding light on this important topic!
Shameful. Every station in Hong Kong has a clean, working elevator. And we Americans still claim to be the best.
Edit: I'm not anti American. I want us to be the best, but I think it is delusional to claim so now despite the terrible state of our big cities.
We're the best at not being the best!
hong kong subway is much newer than nyc subway that's why
We are the best. Just because Hong Kong has nice subway elevators doesn't make it a better country. I'll take human rights and broken elevators over a country where you can't really own land.
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 If NY subway was properly repaired it wouldn't matter. The point is it should never reach this condition in the first place. If the elevator is broken, find the money and fix it for the sake of the people that have to use it everyday.
@@dannydaw59 If we are still the best, why aren't we setting the standard for quality of life in our cities? (Of which infrastructure is an important piece) There was a time not even a century ago when our subway was on the cutting edge of technology, but you can't say that now.
This is when every MTA subway trains shall listen to what people in wheelchairs, strollers, and in walkers/canes had to say. : (
I’m a lifelong New Yorker who recently became disabled after a car accident. I seriously never gave it any thought as to how bad I would have it after losing my knee. I’ve stuck to taking buses which make my commutes arduous but at least I can get SOME assistance from the driver. Trains are slowly becoming a distant memory to me.
this is basically my tactice these days too. :(
It sounds like elevators are not a feasible the solution to the problem because the platforms where not built with elevators in mind and it would take putting elevators in the basements of towers to get all the stations to have one. Has anyone thought of using lift platforms that follow the path of the existing stairs. They would have less capacity but could be cheaper to install and still offer accessibility.
lift platforms are very slow, they are OK as an aftermarket solution for a school with 1 student on a wheelchair, it's no good for a transit hub. Also they take away staircase space and they are not useful for other fragile users or people traveling with heavy goods. You can still build an elevator and then a corridor to the platform, or even multiple elevators, it just costs money.
Able bodied people would be tripping over the stair lift platforms then suing the MTA.
lift platforms are to slow for a high capacity rail station. I think lift platform only work if there’s like four or five steps as well, The rail stations have too many and some are very steep.
You'll propose this and then they complain that they're slow. Would you rather something be slow or non existent? This a cheaper solution that we can deploy en masse.
you could just build a ramp like what many European railway stations have which go under the tracks to get to the other platform. also the lifts that the MTA have installed at stations have severely cut space on the platform around the lift so to get to the end of the platform would require walking on the yellow line that is usually painted on the edge of the platform here in the UK.
Not much different in London depending on where you're going. A friend was taking someone in a wheelchair on a journey for work and in the end they had to give up.
Well london has around 300-400 stations. But we only have 100-150 step-free stations. The tubes the oldest metro in the world. We face same problems as nyc. Where the hell would the elevator go.
y’all always make videos of stuff ive never thought to be interesting
We have to change the narrative about it being for people with disabilities, most ADA modifications are also used for moms and dads with strollers, older people, people with temporary disabilities, etc.
I’m a strong believer that the 24/7 subway system is outdated and we need to close it nightly for repairs like the successful systems in London, Tokyo, HK, etc do. They all close late at night.
It’s not cultural if its stupid.
What's the narrative?
@@rustzz8 that physical accommodations only benefit people on wheelchairs, they are for everyone's benefit. If you say it like that, people can see how it affects more people.
@@EbuzzNYC it seems it's still a common misconception that physically disabled people are only on wheelchairs
NYC is despicable for not taking care and precautions for people living with disabilities
Most of the NYC subway system is over 100 years old. It runs 24/7, and would cost BILLIONS of dollars to make every one of it's 468 stations fully ADA.
Nice comment
but the main stops are usually wheelchair accessible. even some local stops in between have elevators
@@jackarrows1436Thanks, I live in Coney Island Brooklyn and my father used to work at the NYCTA Subway Shops in Coney Island. I'm allot more aware of how it actually works then most people because of that. Every single new bus is set-up for wheel chairs, they've been doing that since the ADA was signed.
Hope u well forever!
Well how do you propose they get to work? A private helicopter?
This is an issue that I hadn't even thought about. Good job informing dumbasses like me, Vice.
Well, compared to Paris, it is extremely accessible. For the stations, nearly all of them require you to be able to stand to even enter. For the trains, on half of the lines(out of 16) you have to be able to see to know where you are. On the other half announcements exist, and all lines you can hear a door close alert, but nothing visual. Only 5 of the metro’s lines have a visual way of telling where you are besides looking onto the platform, and within those 5, one runs two different types of trains, with the older of the two outnumbering the newer one 2:1, and only the newer one has a visual information system.
“I will not stand for this.” - Chairman of Disability Commission.
its almost like america has no social infrastructure or funding. i wonder how that happened...
well the county is bigger than... people that living in it....
You're all so naive! If you are in a wheelchair, then a bus with wheelchair access will get you and drive where you want with the same price as a subway ticket (ACCESS-A-RIDE). But why should VICE leftist propaganda mention it?
Regarding the disabled access on the subway your late 1980s station like Lexington Avenue 63rd Street and Jamaica Parsons Archer are the 1st ada accessible stations. A comparison San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit and Washington Metro have been Ada accessible since day 1 the 1970s
I have to imagine east coast cities are much more cramped in their design, compared to the west with its amplitude of space and its much younger cities. Not that that's an excuse, just the reason they're like that.
The BART train stations in the San Francisco bay area are 100% accessible. The elevators do stop working occasionally but they constantly announce which elevators are out at every stop and what to do. There is also an elevator status page on the BART website so you can see which elevators are out and when they will be back in service. This is the same with escalators. Unfortunately, if you are escalator dependent, there are always at least a handful out. Defecation by the homeless is destroying escalators.
west coast is best coast. except when it comes to shitting in elevators. NYC TAKE SOME TIPS
BART is much newer than nyc subway
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 they've had THIRTY THREE YEARS .... #ADA33
Even with renovated stations the auditor recently admitted they forgot to include elevators as part of their plan.
!!! THIS!!! THANK YOU!!
Also this happened THIRTY THREE YEARS after ADA was passed.... flagrantly violating the LAW.
I don't think you people realize how much work and how expensive this would be.
@777Dubliner Amazon was being paid to come to nyc 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ we would LOSE money in the short term for the next few decades. Also if Amazon did arrive, the already overcrowded 7 line would only get more crowded. That would mean even less room for your precious elevator
@Jimmy you can build elevator, corridor, 2nd elevator if it really comes to that
@777Dubliner AOC really didn't have much to do with Amazon. It was members of the City Council, and Amazon themselves.
Besides cost, the other problem is actually trying to find a way to fit the elevators into them, because some stations have no space because it's already too crowded and tightly spaced as it (59 street-Lexington Ave comes to mind)
Maybe think of devices other than traditional elevators. There's 100's of different lifts available that don't require the space and materials that elevators do.
Cory Carpenter That’s What I was thinking. Also, do any of the devices you are proposing comply with ADA laws?
It's crazy cause I was unsympathetic to disabled people before. I just pulled a muscle in my back and couldn't move for a couple of weeks and suddenly a new world was opened up to me. Even though it was a minor thing and I am hundred percent again, I understand the pain more now. It's sad that sometimes if humans can't relate, they don't get it. It didn't click in my head till it happened to me.
i am HERE for this. and relate hard as someone who suddenly lost my cardiac pump function (ya know upon moving). basically my body bloodchokes and piosons itself when I go to walk/move.
How about doing a story about how the ADA is a curse to blind people.
By putting curb cuts at corners there's no way for them to tell where
the sidewalk ends and the street begins. The corner pads are useless to the blind.
If you doubt this, just ask a blind person.
the ADA is a curse to blind people!?? GTFOH. The ADA's all me or you got!!
Firstly ALL the other protections for blind folks are FROM the ADA.
Second curb cuts can and OUGHT to be widely upgraded with GROOVES that make that tactile-ness felt for blind folks--even if I as a wheelchair user find that annoying i'm all for making it inclusive.
Those blind bumps on corners ruin walker wheels so much quicker than a bumpy sidewalk.
And here in the comments we have people who have never stepped foot in NY commenting on it's issues.
Its nationwide issues, including small town America.
Its issues every disabled person has to deal with one way or another.
@@rebeccalynn5014 That's...not what I'm talking about. What I am referring to is the out of touch people that say ridiculous things (like how the 24/7 subway system is outdated), etc.
wHy dOn'T tHeY jUsT nOt UsE tHe SuBwAy? Smh
Rotchild why don’t you just not use youtube?
@@Kimberly-wt1nu woosh
And they don’t talk about the elevators smelling like piss
I don't think handicapped people would want to go down there.
Pretty sure they do... You're watching it
Y'all never been to New York. No one wants to be down there.
@@barrybambmessagedeletedbyy7467 Yet millions of people use the subway in New York everyday. People may not want to, but they need to for transportation.
As someone who’s paralyzed, we literally have to dumbass
@@stevebuscemi4185 exactly
I tend to stick to the bus because of lack of elevators. I’m better off then most, I only have a cane but I have osteoarthritis in both knees. It takes forever to get anywhere but I bring a book and my water bottle and I’m good.
Spiral Breeze I wonder how you get between Brooklyn and Manhattan, given we have no buses crossing the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges.
JeremiahC99 maybe not, but have you forgotten about the B39? W'burg Bridge is just as good
Zach Brown I am well aware of the B39, and it is a route that can be more useful than a lousy Williamsburg Bridge Shuttle. Perhaps go to the Grand Street stop on the L and maybe extended in Manhattan, that way, the route would draw more ridership.
And aside from the B39, there is no other local route going between Brooklyn and Manhattan.
I have lived in NYC for 47 years. And taken the subway since I'm a kid. I have never seen a person in a wheelchair ride the subways.
If I had my own personal set of wheels, I wouldn't take the subway either.
never seriously!?? I'm about to do so for one of hte time frist times (symptoms permitting) tomorrow!! but i've seen a FEW in my time here since 2008. NOT ENOUGH but a few!!
The only thing they ever upgrade is how to take your money
The argument is that its expensive, but the time of all the people having to do the runaround because of lack of accessibility is worth a lot!
Oh they do NOT think so!! I was denied AAR even bc they're happy to just DARE ME TO GO DIE rather than give me a DIME back of the services my 20-30K YEARLY in taxes paid for before I became disabled.
MTA sucks. It's hot, dirty and unsafe. Come on NY... step it up smh. Look at Korea & Japan's subway/train system.
1:53 Ramps don’t take up much space and they can go in any path so they could be an option. They do require more time and effort to use but they’re better than no accessibility at all.
So, the MTA won’t fix it and here we are taking up the fire department’s time by making them carry us up and down stairs if it’s our only option. No one at MTA sees a problem with that?!
Back in 2019 I went to NYC for my daughter's graduation from Columbia. Even on her campus very hard to get around... the city bus were helpful... the drivers were nice and attentive. But I couldn't use the subway. This major city needs to do better for disabled Americans.
This is common for metros that are over 100 years old.
New York should be like Dubai and it's not even Toronto, my goodness. Make NYC Subway so handicapped accessible.
Recently broke my leg. I’m currently in a cast, I have to use crutches. And this city is just horrible. No one gets out of the handicap seating, and if they’re working the elevators smell like urine. Not only that when I do get off the train I have to pay for a taxi to commute home because the stations nearest me have no accessibility for handicapped people.
I'm a paraplegic guy in a manual wheelchair, and this shit has definitely happened to me too, many times!
It's really all about money... how cost effective is complying with ADA vs the total number of riders served. Easier in some places, way tougher in others.
that's BS. It's cost effective AF bc making accessibilty upgrades BENEFITS EVERY BODY. I don't care how "able" bodied you are, try rolling a laundry cart or an upright bass up 4 flights of stairs to get into/out of the A train at 2 AM or when you're running late for a gig/appointment/party/visit/booty call.
I rest my case.
When you add in the extortion lawsuits disable people bring against small businesses because they don't fully comply with ADA requirements its another burden for society to foot the bill. Now, ADA is going after commercial aircraft to make it more expensive for everyone to travel.
2:25 Elevators that work seems to be a problem for a lot of public transit networks. Not just in the US. London and Paris both seem to have issues. Paris being better than London. At least from my anecdotal experience. I wonder if there has been surveys done on various metro stations in the world to see who has elevators at each station and who has the most reliable elevators. It's the later part I am more interested in. I often see/hear announcements of elevators broken at station X. Thankfully some stations in some cities have multiple elevators, so they will say take X street exit. But it does seem to be common to have broken elevators.
I am willing to bet Tokyo and other Japanese cities are toward the top, just because the Japanese have a higher expectation of things just working.
And just an FYI, I am fully mobile, but I have family members and friends who have various mobility issues so I find myself noticing tripping hazards, lack of ramps, and lack of [working] elevators.
Proof of what greed looks like!
That's disgusting that many stations aren't accessible to people with disabilities. Here in Chicago we have a similar problem but not that extreme. Of the 146 stations on the L only 48 stations aren't accessible compared to the 313 on The MTA that isn't accessible. That's unacceptable to allow to happen.
The CTA has now over 100+ stations (103 now) that are accessible (42 stations that are not accessible), and there will be FOUR new accessible stations to come on the Red Line sometime in 2024 (Bryn Maur, Berwyn, Argyle, and Lawrence)! Add another station that will be reopening on the Green Line (Damen), and we are down to 38 stations without an elevator on the CTA (that's about 74% of our system with an elevator).
if the current elevators are unmaintained adding more would only compound the problem. first the government needs to nationalise the entire subway system so that it stops running for profit, then it needs to be completely redone because the system is decades old. the redo should include the much more sensible option of adding ramps instead of elevators.
3 years ago I went with my friend to New York and we use the train and only one elevator wast working Loki me i was strong enough to take him Upstairs or downstairs. But yeah for a person with Disability’s is super mega hard to Move around
More people need to see this
What about the elevated stations above streets? Where would the elevator go?
Every train system, especially modern one shall be 100% accessible and have contingency plans in case shit happens like elevator under maintenance
But in London, they will make 40% of 270 stations accessible by 2025
"Fully accessible" I had to take the 6 from Grand Central to 125th just to switch over to head back to Grand Central to get on the side of the platform with a working elevator so I could get on the 7 train. Even then the train isn't flush with the platform making it dangerous/impossible to get on the train unassisted.
The elevators require redundancy with back up power supply.
Please put aircon in stations
London is remarkable better than it used to be. I have a form of cerebral palsy where when I was younger I couldn’t walk until I was 7 but The Tube considering it’s nearly 160 years old in many sections of the capital is relatively easy to get around. I find the stairs easier to manage with a break in between but that’s only necessary at the stations with escalators and stairwells only. London has around 160ish stations accessible but the definition is sketchy as they also included escalators into the step free category which is illogical as for someone like myself with a visual impairment as well as cerebral palsy that’s not safe and that categorisation process needs to be re-examined.
Excuse me, I am a student in Myongji University of Korea.
Can I use your video for my presentation?
Thank you.
Those elevators always smell like piss
Actual news on vice, color me impressed!
If you’re looking to travel here. Buses are an option. They may get stuck in traffic. But, they’ll lower the bus for you to get on ramp and hook you in. Bus for wc’s is better. IMO. Slower though.
They should hire staff for each station not ADA to carry people up and down the stairs until they get elevators installed.
I understand where all these people are coming from, but to be fair, it isn't quite fair to compare NYCs MTA with other cities, like they said, the MTA is 100 years and also the other Metros around the world were built after WWII when all these accessibilities were considered and built into while also rebuilding cities.
MTA elevators are mostly out of order. They turn into homeless shelters at night. Super fowl odors, spills and stains 24/7 and the MTA never bothers to clean it up, disinfect it at the very least. MTA does not give a shit about disability, elderly, pregnant women, parents with strollers, quite frankly they don't care about anyone. Fare prices keep going up and less gets done. Construction crews often stand around doing nothing. It's a shit show compared to all the other modern transit systems in the world.
I’m disabled. I’ve hard time, climbing up and down stairs. I can only do stairs one at a time. Cause of my hip fusion. So if I ever visit NYC. I’ll use the elevator get down or up to use the subway station.
This is the news I came here for
Why doesnt uber have a handicap vehicle option??? Or special taxis?
Why would they?
I hope not. People who float through life in those voodoo chairs make me uncomfortable in enclosed spaces. I never know where to look. 8
Those elevators smell like piss and shit most of the time.
Do the city buses have wheelchair lifts?
Some do
All the regular city buses do. I'm not so sure about express buses, but they probably should.
And of course you have forgotten Staten Island!
This makes me sad especially living in New York!
Why not escalators%?
I've been to New York. It has some of the worst infrastructure in the country but some how everything has a toll or a fee. that money is obviously being stolen or misused.
of course, it's NY. corruption central although Chicago is bad
Most of the Subway system is over 100 years old, and runs 24/7.
@@richietattersall2122 then that means its more important to maintain. people with your mentality is why NY is trash
The subway needs major overhaul, but it has the best infrastructure in the country still. No other city has a functional public subway or train system. It’s light years ahead of everyone else.
@@jamieism so you have proof your infrastructure is the best? sorry i dont believe random crap from strangers. and i wouldnt classify having a train as light years ahead. there are plenty of other cities that have a railway as transportation such as san diego or austin. the only thing you have thats light years ahead of everyone is your ego.
A great topic.
VICE CAN WE GET A REPORT ON HOW RACIST THE MTA IS WIT THERE TRAIN STATIONS PERIOD IN LOW IN COME AREA TRAIN STATIONS LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES IN MANHATTAN I CAN SHOW U MY SELF MTA MAKES MILLIONS IN A DAY IN THE BRONX VERY LIL TO NONE ELEVATORS OR RAMPS FOR THE PEOPLE WIT DISABLITYS
How is having poorly made train stations in low income areas racist?
3:43 She was about to go off till she lifted her eyes from her phone and saw wtf was going on.
Well said..
Well... not all of them.
NYC have The worst subway in the world
no, they have one of the best. It runs 24/7 and literally goes everywhere around the city
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 i dont think so, it's all dirty and the people who work there are very nasty always with an attitude
@@Retrotoys80 Child's Play, You haven't seen how crazy it is in NYC and it's subway, This is coming from a new yorker like me that's experienced all of the craziness of people on the subway...
They have steps why can't the use part of that for some kind of lift there is always a way you just have to open your eyes and mind.
The stations that would've looken great with elevators were the stations that was renovated as part of the Enhanced Station Initiative that Andrew Cuomo proposed. It is such a shame that Andrew Cuomo didn't mentioned anyrhing about adding elevators to the stations that were renovated as part of the ESI renovations. Andrew Cuomo should receive a really serious punishment and he must know that all stations must include elevators during the stations renovations. I hope that the future ESI stations receives elevators because CBS 2 News already made its statement that the MTA will now have to install elevators during the stations renovations.
I don't want to be rude but should the MTA prioritize more on it's infrastructure like its over 80 year old signaling system and etc than what 10% of its ridership??
TheVikas trust me it’s more than 10%, thousands of riders can suffer injuries of a variety of kinds, that would render their ridership experience. I fucked up my knee pretty badly once and learned really quickly how the elevators are unreliable. Not every station has an escalator, too. I agree the signal system is really dangerous but they have the funding. There has not been proper reinvestment in the MTA.
They keep raising the price of riding the subway but they cant fix thr elevators?
They can ride the bus for free
And big wheels have been proven a faster mode of transportation than crosstown buses in Manhattan, for instance. Perhaps if the system worked for everyone and properly, it wouldn't need to give free rides on slower forms of transit that clog roads further and cost money that would better serve the system if spent elsewhere.
They started with vid with Miss. Thickums and ended it with another Miss. Thickums.
Guy in charge of the program: "fixing this infrastructure presents huge problems and hurdles"
Activist: "elEvaToRs aRenT haRd"
I bet this is frustrating
I love it how people say something like “ it’s just putting an elivator in over 200 stations, why haven’t we figured it out yet” while for decades plans have been made so obviously they are either taking longer than expected (since doing a major construction project in the middle of NYC isn’t the simplest of tasks), my question to all the critics is “if it’s so simple to plan it out and execute, why haven’t you just make a plan or come up with a solution that we can use and do it.” Ohh yea you can’t do or plan it cause even though it’s been decades, c,early it can’t be done because if it could be done I guarantee it would have been
i hate when people without disabilities pack on to elevators. so lazy
Very frustrating. But be aware not all disabilities are visible. I have heart problems. I'm 28 and look outwardly healthy. But excessive physical activity can cause my arrhythmia to worsen. I get judgmental looks a lot in places where I use the elevator for like 1 floor, or on the subway. And it's because people assume. Just a different perspective on the issue.
@@richardpowell4281 Very true. I was with an older relative of mine and we were taking the elevator at Broadway/Nassau on the A/C, she saw a younger man was sort of confused. He pulled down his shirt to show a scar that he had heart surgery, then she showed him her scar-so you never really know what someone is dealing with from their outward appearance.
@@maxwellapton9538 I have Epilepsy, and after a full MRI, discovered that at some point in my life I must have been asleep when it actually happened, had a Lacinur Stroke, neither are obvious.
"Differently able people"??? 🤮 Clearly the disabled community wasn't involved in writing the script for this.
What a Beautiful comments😁
25%
1 in 5
Hmmmmmm
Max Maejima he said 20%. i guess being deaf counts as a disability 😂
I believe he says 20% because often a sizable chunk of the elevators are down for maintenance.
But yet they want to raise the fair 🖕🖕
All but accessible* ???
Vice, why did you have to go and say differently abled?! Most disabled people hate that term!! Do your research!!
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PERIOD
I mean, come on.
access a ride.