Just want to pin a comment to those who respond about the Fram Filter I used the Ultra and here is a link to a video comparing Subaru filter to FRAM and other brands. th-cam.com/video/18ctlBsRcGs/w-d-xo.html Also, someone pointed out that you should not be using the Hex to tighten the Fumoto Valve as I did. FYI!
@@marcobaraco3000 Trust me it was less tight than it was from the factory. It was rough getting the filter off the first time and my small impact couldn't get the drain plug out!
I order Amsoil online. I have a membership that gives me a discount. Project Farm does great comparisons. I use the WIX filters, they were rated pretty good on that channel, the Amsoil oil filter is always out of stock for me.
Thanks for introducing me to the Fumoto Valve; I just took delivery of a 2020 Outback TouringXT, and thanks to you, I plan to install one on my first oil change (with a short hose). By the way, I ordered the Fumato model F108N, which has a bit longer Nipple for the hose attachment. Fumato recommends using a wrench on the Body of the Valve, rather than torquing on the 17mm Nipple nut. The Black Plastic Clip is a lock so the lever won't disengage if bumped by road debris (a stick or something). I ordered a dozen Subaru filters for $70 on Amazon; I have used the Fram Ultra Synthetic filters with satisfaction on my other vehicles, but they are $10 ++ each.
I'll check them out but I have to admit I tend to do oil changes more frequently as they are easy to do and not that expensive. I do them every 5K along with a tire rotation.
Yeah, you've over-torqued that quite a bit there -- should be to spec for the oil drain plug, which is somewhere around 40 lb-ft. Fumoto have revised their valve design as well, so current ones are made so the drain opening can be rotated to your desired position. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HP5UTAI/
The FRAM Ultra is a great filter....but it has the wrong bypass PSI setting.....Subaru oil filter bypass spec is 21PSI, the Fram is arouns 12PSI....WIX is the only aftermarket manufacturer that makes a Subaru filter with the correct bypass valve PSI setting.
So are you saying that all performance parameters of the Subaru OEM oil filter and the Fram Ultra are exactly the same? Same flow rate? Same pressure differential? Same output? If those factors are different than the bypass can be different. In your expertise please explain why the Subaru OEM oil filter has a 23.2psi bypass valve setting.
With my wife’s Ascent I either use the Fram Ultra XG7317 or Wix XP 57055 for over 50K miles now. The OEM Subaru filter is a rebranded paper end cap Fram with a stiffer bypass spring. The cutaway of the OEM filter shows that. I’m not concerned about the bypass spring due to us living in the South where it doesn’t get too cold and a high flow synthetic filter will help offset that as well.
Wix xp oil filter is the best for Subaru. it has the recommended specifications and its built better. And since you’re using a very thin oil I would recommend checking oil level every other gas fill up. Be carful with that valve if something accidentally hits it or gets caught or you hit a hard bump or with wear and tear to that lever on valve = no more oil and bye bye engine. I personally wouldn’t use a valve
I had one of these valves on my Xterra for 13 years without an issue and that protruding more so than on the bottom of the Ascent which has the valve higher than the skid plate. As far as the filter the FRAM Ultra might not have the recommended specifications but I take it easy on my vehicle until it is up to temperature typically and they are rated really well. Before this I never used FRAM.
Wix has a max flow rate of 10 gallons per minute, Subaru's oil pump has a max output of 14.5 gallons per minute. When that Wix sees above 10 gallons per minute it will all be bypass oil.
A top mounted oil filter! That's such a game changer. I'm looking forward to doing these oil changes now. I have the same on my 2008 FJ Cruiser but it doesn't have a drain tube back into the case. We've already decided on a Touring, probably a '19 with the financing incentives they're offering now.
FYI per the Fumoto site the valve should be tightened to 221 inch pounds or 18 Foot pounds. You definitely do not want to strip the threads whether you re-use the drain plug or the Fumoto valve. I like them and they are very well made.
Nice. Problem with the Fram and almost all aftermarket filters is the Subaru Ascent requires a 27 psi bypass rating. Most aftermarket filters are between 8 and 13 psi So your filter will be in bypass more often and not filtering your oil. The only aftermarket filters that meet factory specs are Wix or the NAPA copy.
Ken I run www.SubaruOutback.org and this subject has been discussed to death on my website and others like BITOG. The likelihood that oil would go into bypass on one of the engines that suggests the usage of a 23psi bypass oil filter is extremely rare. The flow rate of the Fram Ultra far exceeds that of the Subaru OEM filter, Wix/Napa, etc. It is quite literally the best oil filter you can use on one of these engines in my opinion which is supported by extensive real world experience and evidence.
They have cutaway videos of Subaru and Honda OEM filters. They’re actually copies of the crappy fram filters with the paper end caps. There’s multiple videos out there to back up my comment. OEM isn’t what it used to be.
I never trust what they say to add. I always add till it is full checking multiple times. Then turn on the car for a few minutes to let it fill the filter then check again. I know one of my old cars said 5qts but it really only took 4.5.
It is hard to take advice from someone who just poured dirty oil in his car while changing his oil. Also if you remove or just loosen so air can get in your oil fill cap it will drain more complete. just my 2 cents. enjoy your ride.
The instructions explicitly state NOT to use a socket wrench on the hex part of the nipple to install & tighten the valve, so hopefully you don't encounter leaking. It also appears that you over-tightened the valve while installing it, it only requires 15-18 ft lbs of torque. help.fumotooildrainvalve.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005117294-How-do-I-install-a-Fumoto-valve-
Thanks for responding. Interesting that I don't remember the directions coming with the valve stating that. I didn't tighten it too hard and I check for oil leaks all the time since it is parked in my garage with an epoxy coated floor.
The problem with Fram filters (besides poor quality) is that they do not have the correct pressure bypass rating. Obviously the Subaru filter does, and a very small number of consumer grade filters.
Nemesis099 per Frams website. The XG7317 ultra filter has a bypass valve pressure setting of 13 psi. This is incorrect for Subaru engines and in itself should be a wholly disqualifying factor. This means your incorrect filter is going into bypass much more often than it should, and supplying your engine with completely unfiltered oil.
@@1967friend please explain under what circumstances an oil filter would go into bypass. I have worked for Subaru and run a major Subaru enthusiast website, I would happily explain all the details about the bypass spec requirement from 10 years ago but I would like to hear your explanation. Thank you.
Kevin Miller #1 cold start when oil viscosity is high. Filter media is rated for flow at operating temp. Reduce the temp and hence viscosity, and it cannot flow the volume the pump is trying to put out. #2 high RPM. Subaru uses a positive displacement oil pump. Which increases volume/pressure as RPM go up. Now add an uneducated driver and #1 and #2 together. You have a high likelihood of filter bypass. #3 last and least likely, filter media becoming completely plugged. The filter bypass works off of a delta P. This means it is the differential in pressure across the filter itself. Now if your going to assert that Subarus oil filter bypass specification is unnecessary and 10 years outdated. Then your going to need to provide some extremely persuasive evidence. Because they are still specifying this higher than average rating on brand new 2020 engines they manufacture today.
Just changed my oil this weekend and found that I don’t have to lift the Ascent and can open the valve and as long as I have a glove on it isn’t a big deal. Still this is a good option
@@Nemesis099 Doing my first change within next 7 days. Will be doing Fumoto as well. Just hope my jack has enough lift/strength to lift one side to do tire rotation....that's my main concern factory.
I used a 3 ton jack and 3 ton jack stands (1.5 tons each) and had no issues lifting it high enough off the ground to do tire rotations. I do use the ramps when I get under the car as I'm worried about the jack failing. Just make sure you use the jack points as that area does not have a plastic covering that you will hit like some of the other parts of the frame.
Here is a video of them tearing apart a blue subaru filter and a Fram filter th-cam.com/video/18ctlBsRcGs/w-d-xo.html now tell me which one you would use.
Kenneth Gorley In this case “Subaru specs” just mean the bypass valve psi set to 23 psi and a black nitrite rubber gasket to meet cost. It’s an average filter at best but perfectly fine for shorter change intervals and is adequate. The fram ultra is a fantastic filter no doubt! Only possible concern (I say possible because there’s no one knows for sure lol) is the much lower bypass setting which may run the filter in bypass too often...but bypass pressure is based in the delta p differential of the filter so it shouldn’t unless clogged. But the Subaru oil pumps do pump out A LOT of oil per minute which may potentially cause thst difference. But I would be willing to bet it’s just fine.
No issues except with the ventilated seat but that should be fixed next week under warranty. MPG is around 19.8 which is a bit lower than expected but I do a lot of city driving. On long drives fully loaded I’ve had 25MPG.
lots of issues IMO oppinion on the transmission, worse in auto mode, lots of quirks and misses regarding driving manual w paddle shifters. super loud transmission. mileage is not good relative to their claim. babying it you might get 21. quality in Indiana plant is not like the Japanese mfr and this car wasn't ready to go to production IMO.
We just bought an ascent and did the first oil change over the weekend. Ive put fumoto's on ever car ive owned for a long time. I ordered the f108s, and I had issues installing it. the little cylinder that protrudes for the switch hits the exhaust heat shield. Did you run into this issue?
They must have changed the oil drain location slightly between the 2019 and 2021 model years. I just installed the Fumoto on our 2021 and I needed to drop the large plastic air dam and then remove the lower exhaust manifold heat shield. With the 4 nuts removed from the lower heat shield, the upper heat shield could be moved enough to allow the Fumoto valve to thread into the pan.
Nice job. How do you like your accent? On the fumuto oil valve maybe try a hose on the nipple , then you don’t have to worry about oil hitting your hand when you open it.
So far I really like the Ascent. It drives really well, has great outward visibility. The engine will happily rev up when you want it to. Seating is incredibly comfortable to me as I like side bolsters instead of flat seats. Kids love the captains chairs and the dog fits great between the seats. So far over 10K miles and the only warranty issue has been the driver ventilated seat making a loud noise. Replaced the fan once but it started up again and they will be replacing it again. What I don't like is the light in the hatch being on the side and the front cup holders. If you have any direct questions feel free to ask I promise to be honest with my answers. I also just did my 3rd oil change today and was able to reach in and open the valve without lifting the car off the floor. It is a tight squeeze but I also didn't need a tube this time but probably will in the future.
@@Nemesis099 Do you still like the Fumoto valve? I have the Ascent also, and am thinking about using this valve also. Some people complained about the valve not allowing all the oil and such drain completely as the threads of the valve go further into the oil pan, but from what I measure in depth of the threads of the valve with the gasket on, it is just short of 3/8", so I think it would be flush when screwed in which would allow a complete drain. What are your thoughts.
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Why would you use such a terrible archaic valve that is such a terrible design when NoSpillSystems exists? Fumoto drain valves are a cheesy terrible idea.
No reason to insult as I've never heard of this system before. They should make the site more user friendly to help select the correct size more easily. Maybe next vehicle will have one of these.
Okay I have zero experience with the brand of oil drain system you are referring to. I looked into it and not only are they more expensive to use it, it requires you to spin a collar with the drain hose attached. As I said I have zero experience using the system so I may be glossing over some aspect of using it that I am not aware of. Not only is the Fumoto less expensive, it also works much better in my opinion for my use. I don’t have to do anything except attach the drain hose put the other end of the hose in whatever container I want to drain the oil into reach up there and flip the lever and the oil drains out immediately. It’s a simple as can be and the valve is a well-made ball valve that does not have any complicated seals or O-rings that can conceivably wear out although not likely in a normal motors usage if you change the oil every 6000 miles you’re really only going to use the valve any valve perhaps 25 times or maybe 30 if you keep the vehicle a really long time. Go ahead and use what you feel comfortable with don’t disrespect other companies that really do make a quality product I don’t see the advantage of your system but perhaps you do?
Just want to pin a comment to those who respond about the Fram Filter I used the Ultra and here is a link to a video comparing Subaru filter to FRAM and other brands. th-cam.com/video/18ctlBsRcGs/w-d-xo.html
Also, someone pointed out that you should not be using the Hex to tighten the Fumoto Valve as I did. FYI!
Don't over tighten everything filter, oil plug, etc. just snug it good and tight.
@@marcobaraco3000 Trust me it was less tight than it was from the factory. It was rough getting the filter off the first time and my small impact couldn't get the drain plug out!
I order Amsoil online. I have a membership that gives me a discount. Project Farm does great comparisons. I use the WIX filters, they were rated pretty good on that channel, the Amsoil oil filter is always out of stock for me.
Where are you ordering Amsoil online the store that sold it near me closed down?
Thanks for introducing me to the Fumoto Valve; I just took delivery of a 2020 Outback TouringXT, and thanks to you, I plan to install one on my first oil change (with a short hose). By the way, I ordered the Fumato model F108N, which has a bit longer Nipple for the hose attachment. Fumato recommends using a wrench on the Body of the Valve, rather than torquing on the 17mm Nipple nut. The Black Plastic Clip is a lock so the lever won't disengage if bumped by road debris (a stick or something).
I ordered a dozen Subaru filters for $70 on Amazon; I have used the Fram Ultra Synthetic filters with satisfaction on my other vehicles, but they are $10 ++ each.
Terry Frank is the Fumato for your Outback or Ascent?
I use purolator boss 20-30 psi bypass valve best filter for this if your using extended oil changes.
I'll check them out but I have to admit I tend to do oil changes more frequently as they are easy to do and not that expensive. I do them every 5K along with a tire rotation.
We love our new Su aru Ascent Limited.......
THE FUMOTO F108SX IS AJUSTABLE PLUS YOU HAND SCREW IT ALL THE WAY DOWN. THEN 1/4 WITH WRENCH. FT.LBS IS ALMOST NOTHING.
Yeah, you've over-torqued that quite a bit there -- should be to spec for the oil drain plug, which is somewhere around 40 lb-ft. Fumoto have revised their valve design as well, so current ones are made so the drain opening can be rotated to your desired position. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HP5UTAI/
My black Touring just came in, I'm looking forward to getting it.
The FRAM Ultra is a great filter....but it has the wrong bypass PSI setting.....Subaru oil filter bypass spec is 21PSI, the Fram is arouns 12PSI....WIX is the only aftermarket manufacturer that makes a Subaru filter with the correct bypass valve PSI setting.
The black Subaru filter is also an option
So are you saying that all performance parameters of the Subaru OEM oil filter and the Fram Ultra are exactly the same? Same flow rate? Same pressure differential? Same output? If those factors are different than the bypass can be different. In your expertise please explain why the Subaru OEM oil filter has a 23.2psi bypass valve setting.
With my wife’s Ascent I either use the Fram Ultra XG7317 or Wix XP 57055 for over 50K miles now. The OEM Subaru filter is a rebranded paper end cap Fram with a stiffer bypass spring. The cutaway of the OEM filter shows that. I’m not concerned about the bypass spring due to us living in the South where it doesn’t get too cold and a high flow synthetic filter will help offset that as well.
I know I still can't believe how many that say the Subaru is so much better than the Fram Utlra.
i would put the rubber hose on the end for a few inches then tuck it away when you dont need it :) Nice and clean. thanks for the vid
May want to consider using a clear 3/8 tubing. It’s easier to see when the oil is done draining.
Wix xp oil filter is the best for Subaru. it has the recommended specifications and its built better. And since you’re using a very thin oil I would recommend checking oil level every other gas fill up. Be carful with that valve if something accidentally hits it or gets caught or you hit a hard bump or with wear and tear to that lever on valve = no more oil and bye bye engine. I personally wouldn’t use a valve
I had one of these valves on my Xterra for 13 years without an issue and that protruding more so than on the bottom of the Ascent which has the valve higher than the skid plate.
As far as the filter the FRAM Ultra might not have the recommended specifications but I take it easy on my vehicle until it is up to temperature typically and they are rated really well. Before this I never used FRAM.
Wix has a max flow rate of 10 gallons per minute, Subaru's oil pump has a max output of 14.5 gallons per minute. When that Wix sees above 10 gallons per minute it will all be bypass oil.
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What is your source for the oil flow rate in the Ascent engine?
A top mounted oil filter! That's such a game changer. I'm looking forward to doing these oil changes now. I have the same on my 2008 FJ Cruiser but it doesn't have a drain tube back into the case. We've already decided on a Touring, probably a '19 with the financing incentives they're offering now.
I thought about it but I'm typically already lifting the car to rotate the tires. I lift, start the oil draining then rotate tires.
What ramps are you using?
Rhino Ramps. They work really well and raise the vehicle up just enough to get underneath. Here is an amazon link amzn.to/40kk6aY
FYI per the Fumoto site the valve should be tightened to 221 inch pounds or 18 Foot pounds. You definitely do not want to strip the threads whether you re-use the drain plug or the Fumoto valve. I like them and they are very well made.
Nice. Problem with the Fram and almost all aftermarket filters is the Subaru Ascent requires a 27 psi bypass rating. Most aftermarket filters are between 8 and 13 psi
So your filter will be in bypass more often and not filtering your oil. The only aftermarket filters that meet factory specs are Wix or the NAPA copy.
Check out this teardown of Subaru and Fram filters and let me know what you think. th-cam.com/video/18ctlBsRcGs/w-d-xo.html
Ken I run www.SubaruOutback.org and this subject has been discussed to death on my website and others like BITOG. The likelihood that oil would go into bypass on one of the engines that suggests the usage of a 23psi bypass oil filter is extremely rare. The flow rate of the Fram Ultra far exceeds that of the Subaru OEM filter, Wix/Napa, etc. It is quite literally the best oil filter you can use on one of these engines in my opinion which is supported by extensive real world experience and evidence.
They have cutaway videos of Subaru and Honda OEM filters. They’re actually copies of the crappy fram filters with the paper end caps. There’s multiple videos out there to back up my comment. OEM isn’t what it used to be.
Does anyone mention the recommended 4.8 quarts only fills to the half line between low and full. ?
I never trust what they say to add. I always add till it is full checking multiple times. Then turn on the car for a few minutes to let it fill the filter then check again. I know one of my old cars said 5qts but it really only took 4.5.
It is hard to take advice from someone who just poured dirty oil in his car while changing his oil. Also if you remove or just loosen so air can get in your oil fill cap it will drain more complete. just my 2 cents. enjoy your ride.
That was new/clean oil in a partial leftover quart from another change, which he explained.
The instructions explicitly state NOT to use a socket wrench on the hex part of the nipple to install & tighten the valve, so hopefully you don't encounter leaking. It also appears that you over-tightened the valve while installing it, it only requires 15-18 ft lbs of torque. help.fumotooildrainvalve.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005117294-How-do-I-install-a-Fumoto-valve-
Thanks for responding. Interesting that I don't remember the directions coming with the valve stating that. I didn't tighten it too hard and I check for oil leaks all the time since it is parked in my garage with an epoxy coated floor.
The problem with Fram filters (besides poor quality) is that they do not have the correct pressure bypass rating. Obviously the Subaru filter does, and a very small number of consumer grade filters.
Please check the reviews on the fram ultra synthetic filters they are rated near the top. Subaru filters are now made by fram in the US.
Nemesis099 per Frams website. The XG7317 ultra filter has a bypass valve pressure setting of 13 psi. This is incorrect for Subaru engines and in itself should be a wholly disqualifying factor. This means your incorrect filter is going into bypass much more often than it should, and supplying your engine with completely unfiltered oil.
Just to add, I believe the correct bypass spec from Subaru is 26 psi.
@@1967friend please explain under what circumstances an oil filter would go into bypass. I have worked for Subaru and run a major Subaru enthusiast website, I would happily explain all the details about the bypass spec requirement from 10 years ago but I would like to hear your explanation. Thank you.
Kevin Miller #1 cold start when oil viscosity is high. Filter media is rated for flow at operating temp. Reduce the temp and hence viscosity, and it cannot flow the volume the pump is trying to put out. #2 high RPM. Subaru uses a positive displacement oil pump. Which increases volume/pressure as RPM go up. Now add an uneducated driver and #1 and #2 together. You have a high likelihood of filter bypass.
#3 last and least likely, filter media becoming completely plugged.
The filter bypass works off of a delta P. This means it is the differential in pressure across the filter itself.
Now if your going to assert that Subarus oil filter bypass specification is unnecessary and 10 years outdated. Then your going to need to provide some extremely persuasive evidence. Because they are still specifying this higher than average rating on brand new 2020 engines they manufacture today.
1. Place finger over hole. 2. Open valve. 3. Remove finger. :)
Just changed my oil this weekend and found that I don’t have to lift the Ascent and can open the valve and as long as I have a glove on it isn’t a big deal. Still this is a good option
@@Nemesis099 Doing my first change within next 7 days. Will be doing Fumoto as well. Just hope my jack has enough lift/strength to lift one side to do tire rotation....that's my main concern factory.
I used a 3 ton jack and 3 ton jack stands (1.5 tons each) and had no issues lifting it high enough off the ground to do tire rotations. I do use the ramps when I get under the car as I'm worried about the jack failing. Just make sure you use the jack points as that area does not have a plastic covering that you will hit like some of the other parts of the frame.
open the fram filter and a subaru then you become a beliver!!!
From what I have read the blue Subaru filters are made by fram. I bought a highly rated fram filter that should work just as well.
Nemesis099 True they are. But built to Subaru specs
@@TheLazyCarrot Still would use the Fram Ultra after watching this video th-cam.com/video/18ctlBsRcGs/w-d-xo.html
Here is a video of them tearing apart a blue subaru filter and a Fram filter th-cam.com/video/18ctlBsRcGs/w-d-xo.html now tell me which one you would use.
Kenneth Gorley In this case “Subaru specs” just mean the bypass valve psi set to 23 psi and a black nitrite rubber gasket to meet cost. It’s an average filter at best but perfectly fine for shorter change intervals and is adequate. The fram ultra is a fantastic filter no doubt! Only possible concern (I say possible because there’s no one knows for sure lol) is the much lower bypass setting which may run the filter in bypass too often...but bypass pressure is based in the delta p differential of the filter so it shouldn’t unless clogged. But the Subaru oil pumps do pump out A LOT of oil per minute which may potentially cause thst difference. But I would be willing to bet it’s just fine.
Nice. Any issues with the electrical , CVT, or anything ? I know there was an update for some items. What’s the MPG now ?
No issues except with the ventilated seat but that should be fixed next week under warranty. MPG is around 19.8 which is a bit lower than expected but I do a lot of city driving. On long drives fully loaded I’ve had 25MPG.
lots of issues IMO oppinion on the transmission, worse in auto mode, lots of quirks and misses regarding driving manual w paddle shifters. super loud transmission. mileage is not good relative to their claim. babying it you might get 21. quality in Indiana plant is not like the Japanese mfr and this car wasn't ready to go to production IMO.
No issues with my Ascent at all. I get 28 mpg in mine. Transmission isnt loud. Very smooth car. Hope the CVT hold up for a long time!
CVT has issues in my 2020 with 5,000 miles on it, as of today. I get roughly 19-23 miles on highway and 17-21 city.
@@jmflip7 Hi Jeff.. what are the issues? What are you doing to get them fixed? Thanks!
We just bought an ascent and did the first oil change over the weekend. Ive put fumoto's on ever car ive owned for a long time. I ordered the f108s, and I had issues installing it. the little cylinder that protrudes for the switch hits the exhaust heat shield. Did you run into this issue?
They must have changed the oil drain location slightly between the 2019 and 2021 model years.
I just installed the Fumoto on our 2021 and I needed to drop the large plastic air dam and then remove the lower exhaust manifold heat shield.
With the 4 nuts removed from the lower heat shield, the upper heat shield could be moved enough to allow the Fumoto valve to thread into the pan.
Just saw this but I didn't have any issues. It is a bit hard to reach but no issues changing using the fumoto.
Buy subaru oil filter and they give you crush washer wish i used with fumoto valve
Nice job. How do you like your accent? On the fumuto oil valve maybe try a hose on the nipple , then you don’t have to worry about oil hitting your hand when you open it.
So far I really like the Ascent. It drives really well, has great outward visibility. The engine will happily rev up when you want it to. Seating is incredibly comfortable to me as I like side bolsters instead of flat seats. Kids love the captains chairs and the dog fits great between the seats. So far over 10K miles and the only warranty issue has been the driver ventilated seat making a loud noise. Replaced the fan once but it started up again and they will be replacing it again. What I don't like is the light in the hatch being on the side and the front cup holders. If you have any direct questions feel free to ask I promise to be honest with my answers.
I also just did my 3rd oil change today and was able to reach in and open the valve without lifting the car off the floor. It is a tight squeeze but I also didn't need a tube this time but probably will in the future.
Thanks for the info. I will be picking up my new accent on Friday.
Congratulations! What trim and color are you getting?
It is white , premium package.
@@Nemesis099 Do you still like the Fumoto valve? I have the Ascent also, and am thinking about using this valve also. Some people complained about the valve not allowing all the oil and such drain completely as the threads of the valve go further into the oil pan, but from what I measure in depth of the threads of the valve with the gasket on, it is just short of 3/8", so I think it would be flush when screwed in which would allow a complete drain. What are your thoughts.
Why would you use such a terrible archaic valve that is such a terrible design when NoSpillSystems exists? Fumoto drain valves are a cheesy terrible idea.
No reason to insult as I've never heard of this system before. They should make the site more user friendly to help select the correct size more easily. Maybe next vehicle will have one of these.
I’ve used it for two years (Fumoto) it works excellent and no spills or mess. Inexpensive and drains the oil as it was intended.
J Hollendyke ok? There is still MUCH better on the market. NoSpillSystems is such a better system. In every way.
@ no need to douche!
Okay I have zero experience with the brand of oil drain system you are referring to. I looked into it and not only are they more expensive to use it, it requires you to spin a collar with the drain hose attached. As I said I have zero experience using the system so I may be glossing over some aspect of using it that I am not aware of. Not only is the Fumoto less expensive, it also works much better in my opinion for my use. I don’t have to do anything except attach the drain hose put the other end of the hose in whatever container I want to drain the oil into reach up there and flip the lever and the oil drains out immediately. It’s a simple as can be and the valve is a well-made ball valve that does not have any complicated seals or O-rings that can conceivably wear out although not likely in a normal motors usage if you change the oil every 6000 miles you’re really only going to use the valve any valve perhaps 25 times or maybe 30 if you keep the vehicle a really long time. Go ahead and use what you feel comfortable with don’t disrespect other companies that really do make a quality product I don’t see the advantage of your system but perhaps you do?