WILL MY FIRST DUESENBERG TREM INSTAL BE MY LAST? (probably not it was super easy)
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A broken string gave finally gave me the opportunity to instal a Dusenberg Les Trem II on my Yamaha Revstar, do I like it? YES, Do I need to get used to it? Definitely.
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He doesn't know what gauge strings he likes? He does know that Factory strings suck?
Who doesn't change strings on a new guitar. Look how crusty the pickups before he cleans them.
What a goofball. He doesn't stretch his new strings before testing a term? Too annoying.
I like to experiment. Typically I default to 11s but I have fun trying other gauges and some guitars just get along better with certain gauges over others. I do stretch my strings, I literally stretched my strings in the video. And yeah, I am a total goofball.
Show us on the doll where he hurt you.
@@60CycleHumcast And dont forget, a self professed under achiever. 🤣
Theres one of these delightful people on every video
Ahh fk! I BET YOU'RE FUN AT A PARTY..🇦🇺🤏
Those Les Trems are a marvel of engineering. I especially appreciate that they let you adjust the angle of the wangle.
Duesenberg kindly told me that the two tiny hex screws that secure the arm have M5 pitch (short short 8mm length). Replace them with longer thumbscrews, like M5x12mm, and you can remove the trem arm to store/transport your guitar, then reattach it to play. These should really ship with the Les Trem as standard fittings.
@@albionvideo that’s actually a real good solution to the Les trem on my SG, thanks!!
@@albionvideo can you not remove the arm normally? it looks like you could just slip it out by loosening it the same way he adjusted the lenght, genuinely curious cause i might want this on my sg but i regularly need to use gigbas
Duesenberg trems are my favorite. I love my Paloma. Nice to see it was so straightforward to install on another brand. Thanks, Ryan!
Been using one for a few years now, it's honestly my favorite feeling vibrato system and the installation couldn't have been easier. Just know that if you have a nitro finish guitar the felt pad under the spring will eat away at the finish. I didn't care all that much but you might so just be aware
Good too know 👍👍
Thanks for the insight on the nitro, I was thinking about putting one on my Harmony Comet, but it does have a nitro finish.
@Louis Bautista et al, I'm wondering if you or anyone here knows it you could use a disk of wax paper underneath the felt pad/pads to protect the finish? After all we do put wax on our guitars... what do you and others think? I use Blue masking tape under the bracket screw for a Les Paul pick guard and it hasn't hurt it any in 3 years. Your mileage may vary!
@@Russell_Optics Did you end up doing it? I have a comet on the way and I want to put a Les Trem on it. Don’t care too much about the finish.
@@philipbrister No, I did not. My daughter has a Duesenberg with the trem and I like to rest my palm on the bridge while playing. The trem makes it uncomfortable for me. The two-post trem on my strat doesn't do that.
I’ve got one on an old Eko - One of my favorite trems. Wide range, mine stays in place, sits right where I want it, and I don’t seem to have any tuning problems with it, relatively speaking. Love it!
Roller bridges are amazing! If you're adding a tremolo then , that's how not to saw through the strings and maintain tuning stability, but even if you're not most of them have brass rollers which (in combination with a smaller contact area on the saddle) will add like 50% longer sustain to a fixed bridge. Having tried one once I have no idea why everyone doesn't buy them as an immediate swap-out on everything (like I do now).
What's your go-to brand of roller bridge?
@@kristfur TonePros. You also get the benefit of the locking grub screws
What about something like Graphtec-Bridge Saddles and Nut? I already have them on a Les Paul with a string Butler at the headstock. (Yup! I did everything I could to improve my Gibson tuning stability)...And it worked!!!...I was even going to get locking tuners, but I honestly do not need them. The thing stays in tune awesome now.....
And now THIS Duesenberg thing really has me thinking. Or do need the rollers to keep the strings from dislodging somehow? Thanks. Cheers!
It works! Now i want one on my Reverend Double Agent! And it’s available left handed too!
@@-processdrone- Hi Bro I installed this tremolo and Roller Bridge on my Ephiphone Wilshire p90 AND the tuning Is not stable at all. Do you think it Is because the Roller bridge Is not Tonepros but a genéric chinese one?
Love the Les Trems. Have them on a couple of LPs without a roller bridge with no problems. Even cooler is your Surfragetts t-shirt. Great band.
I put one of thee on my SG and it made a huge difference! Guitar sounds way more open. It's not a floyd so don't go crazy but generally I don't have tuning stability issues. Big bends nut sauce definitely helps
Re: tightness or looseness of the arm: There is one other adjustment that you can make before mounting the trem. remove spring, then find the nut on the bottom of the round piece the arm goes through.
It adjusts the slack / tightness of the arm.
Extremely hard to adjust once spring is installed.
Also:
(Ask the guy who makes this trem, he absolutely hates the rocking bridge thing and actually makes elliptical bridge thimble inserts to stop those bridges from rocking). Re: tunamatic moving when the trem is deployed: some people say don’t let the posts flex. The best mod for that is to put an extra pair of thumbwheels on the posts that you adjust all the way down til they are touching the bridge inserts (after adjusting the top thumbwheels for proper bridge height).
Also: try 10s to improve tuning stability, you’ll like it!
Extra thumbwheels, Great Idea Hugh! Those plus the roller would make it bulletproof.
@@Bob-Whiting Yeah and by far the best roller bridge is Schaller as *the saddles are angled to actually be on the string path* (what a concept).
And it comes w 2 different post sizes (if I remember correctly)
and feels great on your palm.
@@hughschick6847 I'm gonna look at some Schaller pics tomorrow. You can never learn too much I say. lol
@Ryan Ryan, my Les Paul came with a Bigsby and it always had trouble staying in tune. First I installed a Tusq Nut and Hipshot Open Gear Locking Tuners and those two DID help but didn't totally solve the problem. After I installed the roller bridge is when the problem was completely solved. It now stays in tune as much as any of my other guitars. I recommend that you go ahead and have the roller installed, I do believe you will be satisfied and if not do the other two as well. I am SO happy now, and yes, I DID have to change out the "thimbles" and studs but man it was totally worth it. 👍 🎸🔉🎶
I have the Les Trem on four guitars: 2 Les Pauls, 1 SG, and 1 Epi 339.
I find that the trem seems to work best on the guitars with the arch top rather than the flat SG.
Tuning stability improves with a roller bridge that fits snuggly on the bridge posts: any sliding around on the bridge posts affects how the strings return to tune.
Also, I find that the trem arm constantly comes loose and starts wiggling around which has an effect on how smoothly you can use the trem. So, I use some super glue or thread lock to keep the nut that holds the trem arm onto the assembly relatively tight and locked down.
Set up well, you can bend and return to tune with the Les Trem much more aggressively than with a Bigsby trem. They are also considerably lighter, easier to restring, and where I am from, much less expensive to purchase compared to a Bigsby system - especially when combining a Bigsby with a Vibra-mate.
I just bought Xtrem Stud Mount for half the price. So far I love it. But new string so too early to tell. Have you compared this system to that?
Great video, I especially liked the close-ups of the bridge "moving around" it looks unstable. I've not seen a great solution for converting a fixed bridge yet. Also I like to be able to pull-up too, but none of these conversion trems seem capable of doing that. The StetsBar has some pull-up/upward travel, but that's the only one out the bunch.
Love all the Goldo tremolos and have been using them for several years! Couple of tips. Before attaching the Les Trem, I always put the arm in and adjust the tension of the arm swing. That will also get rid of the loose knocking. They come with a very loose spring and I usually replace it with a stiffer one. I find the stock one is a little too sensitive. Nice video!
That is now a VERY nice axe! I'd say the wiggle stick made it BETTER!
Agree. Am slightly bummed the Revstar doesn’t ship with a trem
@@sub-jec-tiv Some models come with a B5 Bigsby.
Hey 60, I have one of these on my SG and it works quite well. It’s not a dive boomer , but stays in tune with light use. I think it looks and function’s great for what it is! Enjoy! Great channel! Keep on hummin’
I have a Revstar and I've been looking for an appropriate tremolo. Thanks to you, I've not only found a great option, but I don't need a guitar tech to fit it! Well done.
I put a Guyker (cheaper but very good copy of the Les Trem) on my Revstar and it works VERY well after I put superglue on the locking nut (inside the spring) to keep it from repeatedly loosening up (and the nut still can be removed easily if needed). Stays in tune quite well (helps to wiggle the trem lightly to get it back in tune if it does go out a bit). I do prefer my Strat trem feel and responsiveness but this is more like a Bigsby with its more limited range, and is more than OK. Didn't seem to affect the tone or sustain that much either, and while it does sound a bit different (hard to describe) it's still sounds very good to my ears.
It looks perfect on the Revstar! Sounds great too - Keep it on there!
Dusenberg, as you know, are renown for great engineering and stability. My "purple P90 revstar" will be here sometime in December, very excited!! For this guitar price-point I think I'm leaving it factory, except for strap locks. It's good to know the Dusenberg is an option... I was seeing TO MUCH bridge shift in those closeups for my taste. Thanks for the post!! Cheers...
Definitely needs the roller bridge! IMHO, of course.
When I received my RSS02T in Hot Merlot, my wife said, “Oh, you bought a purple guitar.”😂
Righteous, Dude! I'm going to install a Duesenburg on my Epiphone ES-339.
I generally give my strings a stretch if I have to use them right away, that looks beautiful ❤
Because of the recessed studs, I would put a felt ring under the washer installed on the trem so that the washer doesn't leave an impression in the clearcoat. That way, if you decide to convert back to the stoptail, there's not ugly depression rings showing from under it. And the tuning stability is almost certainly the new strings having unreleased stretch. There's a luthier/TH-camr who's convinced me that string stretching and a quality nut are the absolute essentials for tuning stability. So once you get the strings stretched, if there's any problem with that, do the old pencil-lead-in-the-slots trick to see if that helps.
I have a few different trems and when they lose tuning i can almost always pull UP on it to go back in tune😮
I've added 3 to 3 guitars, leveled them up so much!
3 for 3 eh? Do you know where to get a good deal then? I need a good deal, thanks!
clicked on the video for the trem info, noticed the surfrajettes shirt. really cool. just heard of them and saw them for the first time in May touring with the reverend.
gotta say 10s are where its at. been using 10s for the last few years and never looked back
I installed a Les Trem on my Epiphone Les Paul Modern. I could not keep the guitar in tune. Locking tuners, roller bridge, string butler, filed and lubricated the nut but could not make it work. I loved the feel and look, but I couldn't make it work. I have a Strat with a floating trem, Jazzmaster and Hagstrom Tremar Viking Deluxe and they are all rock solid regarding tuning.
That's a bit weird C.O. , I have a Les Paul Standard with a Bigsby and I added the Hipshot Locking Tuners, a super slippery Tusq Nut and a quality Roller Bridge and it now for the first time stays in tune like a champ. I wonder what the fookin' difference is between them? Weird huh? (serious answer, not trolling)
@@Bob-Whiting It was definitely the bridge. I would give a chord a little vibrato and the whole instrument would be a little flat. If I whacked the trem arm with the palm of my hand it would bounce back to pitch.
@@cautiousoptimist1926 Ahhh, Yeah, a lot of trem systems in general seem to do that.
I think it would work way better with the roller bridge, and I'd stack some nuts on the posts under the bridge so they don't rock forward and back so much (that'll just weaken them and bend the posts eventually). But this thing looks like a way better option than a Kahler (like we used to do back in the dark ages of the 80s).
Cool! Looks great and seems to work very well. Oh Man! You may have just made that Revstar a REAL BIG favorite guitar.
I’ve installed 2 of these, one on my Epi LP, one on my Epi ES339 Pro… like it in both, I used the roller bridge that came with each, for both installs.
You are the guitar TH-camr I consistently watch the most. Why? Because you are you and I am glad of that.
Thanks for taking the time to review this; it looks like so much fun. :)
Good choice, a bigsby would be too clunky looking on the delicate Looking Yamaha.
I cut the duesburg bar and half and added to Mac roller Bridge system and go to tuners bar lace perfectly on the bridge
put this on my squire classic vibe starcaster over a year ago now, feels great especially if you dont feel comfortable adding a bigsby to your guitar
If you're doing a floating trem, a roller bridge and locking tuners are a must have for stability. You need to minimize the amount of excess string on the posts, lubricate the nut and stretch the strings. Any unaddressed point that offers slack or tension will cause you to lose tuning to an unknown level of frustration. Proper setup is the difference between happy playing and total misery.
These pickups sound beautifully crisp and clear on the clean settings, with excellent note separation. I might try one of these on my RSE20.
Looks & sounds pretty cool on the Revv 😎 Thxxx Ryan 🎸
I've got an old Idol (Spalted) that I added a Dusenberg to. Easy as you made it appear. Stable and nice addition to an old favorite. Low enough value guitar that it's fun to experiment with but solidly built so it makes a good basis to play with.
Thank you for torture-testing the Les Trem so I don't have to, I'm always skeptical of any tremolo tailpiece with any fixed bridge but you're right, there's enough flex there to make it work if you're gentle with it.
When I added my Les Trem I found that the tuning instability was due to how I tightened down the post screws before stringing the guitar. Loosen the post screws 1/4-1/2 a turn and let the strings pull the trem towards the neck. Then retighten it’s and the instability should go away.
Killer work-around!
Never seen a wiggle stick quite like it before. It's really interesting and installation seems easy enough for us lazy types 😅
Like a less complicated and easier to install Bigsby, with a couple more options to boot!
Nice upgrade. I see one of those in the future on one of my guitars.
I put a les trem on my Ibanez Artcore. They are great, non-destructive trems. Lots of range and super stable.
Guitar looks weaponized now lol ,love it
I put one on an SG copy hoping for a budget bigsby but the similar mechanism and placement are a red herring and it's it's own type of tremolo and you could be disappointed if you were hoping for a bigsby-a-like.
You don't have the limited parameters of a bigsby where you get used to that 2 step range. It doesn't have the resistance of a strat trem and while a jazzmaster style trem is the closest in terms of comfortable range, it is more exaggerated.
Like all trems you get the feel for what you can do with it and I've grown to love mine.
I like it. And, it doesn't matter as long as you like it. But, personally, I love it
I had one of these installed once. Nice system, but I had two frustrations: one was that I couldn't for the life of me keep it in tune, even with locking tuners, I think my problem was that the bridge didn't rock as much like yours and the strings ended up slipping over it. The other was that my guitar couldn't fit in its hard case anymore, not without taking the arm off first.
We read from top to bottom so it would make sense that we'd string our guitar in the same order.
The way your bridge is rocking back and forth (not only at the base of the posts, but also where the bridge body is sliding on the thumbwheels) will be detrimental to what you're trying to achieve with that guitar's setup and the Duesenberg.
A good roller bridge is a must (make sure each of the rollers roll freely). Locking tuners are a must as well, and you'll hear that echoed among vibrato users.
A roller nut would be going that extra mile if you really want to have consistent action, otherwise lube can help a lot.
Everyone's mileage may vary, but I've spent years setting up these things (mainly Bigsbys) and getting them to play nice with the rest of a guitar's setup.
Remember to fully mute the strings and give a quick pull back on the bar to help reset the tuning after a lot of wanking--especially when lowering the pitch.
Seems like it works well, even without locking tuners. Might try it myself.
I prefer 9s, mainly because I like bending the strings. My guitar teacher noticed this one day, recommended Ernie Ball Super Slinkys, and I've been using those exclusively ever since 'cause they give me the sound I want. I even use them on my 7-string, partly because I heard that Tony Iommi uses light gauge strings even when he tunes to C#, and I like that floppy, loose sound for doom metal.
I like it! If push came to shove, I'd get one of those GameChanger Audio Bigsby pedals to preserve the look of a stop bar tailpiece.
That reverby chicken picky tone was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
flutter aside, that tone sounds wonderful
If you don't just luv it.....send it to me. Im saving up for one for my Epi Sheraton. Looks way fantastic. Smooth sound. You may be buying another one for more future projects. Best mod you have dun in a while......👍👍👍
I dig it man!!! It's a keeper and it's a simple drop in install. I'm gotta try one out!!
I love roller bridges. Slapping one on my 'paul helped the tuning quite a bit.
Edit: A roller bridge (or graphtech saddles), graphtech nut, and a NutBuster would keep you in tune forever!
Man I love those Yamaha revstars , awesome guitars.
It looks stunning! I might try it on my Revstar too - a tremelo would be the icing on the cake for what is a really great guitar.
Regarding the tune-o-matic bridge and the posts: Notice that the posts are not really flexing much. The bridge is sliding on top of the thumbwheel since the hole in the bridge is a little larger than the post that it sits on. This is actually a much better scenario since those posts were not designed to flex. Eventually, they would crack at the minor diameter of the thread and eventually snap off.
I have one on my Harley Benton Jazzmaster (awesome guitar btw) and it works very well, no issues at all. I can play glide guitar even easier with it than with the usual wiggle stick on my jaguar. Will probably install one on my ES335 too.
That Yamahah Guitar looks and sounds really amazing Ryan!
+1 on the Harley Benton JM‼️
I like how it turned out. Sonically and aesthetically. 🎵
If I do purchase another guitar it will definitely be a Revstar. I have two Yamaha guitars in my collection and I absolutely love them. One of them is 45 years old and it's still going strong!
✌💀👍🎸🎵🎶🧠🌌♾
Stetsbar is more stable because the bridge moves with it canceling out friction. The big metal plate of a stetsbar even ads to more sustain. But it has a little wobble in te arm-screw.
60 cycle gives a fun perspective. If you look at half the people who play guitar you’ll find the gamut of goof balls.
The inter web lets us look at tons of options and pick what e we want to give a try.
I’ve got a Gretsch that doesn’t have the Bixby so this might be worth an experiment. Thanks.
11:15 That little slowmo clip made me laugh.
The best part of the Les Trem is you can put the guitar
back to stock for the cost of a set of strings 👍👍
I love my Les Trem II! It has been on a few guitars but now lives on my Rivolta P90 clone build!
It looks like it would be super easy to swap from guitar to guitar with the T.O.M. type of tail.
One of you best videos
I like it when you play hard and not soft
I ordered my Sunburst Revstar with P90's right after your first video of it.
It took a while waiting for the next run.
Honestly I'm havening an issue with the tone options.
Hopefully I'll get the hang of it's variables.
Ok, for your Bigsby terms you should check out Brick’s Biggs Fix! I threw one on my Schecter & I’m seriously impressed. I abuse my Bigsby & it stays in tune most of the time.
I do want to try one of these terms out! I think with locking tuners and a roller bridge it could be abused a lot.
Very cool guitar. I wasn't expecting that versatility and yes I think that trem fits it perfectly. I'm thinking of putting one on an "Explorer" style guitar. You're right. I don't think it will fit EVERY style of guitar and it might look awkward on the "Explorer" but I think I'm gonna buy one anyway. It'll fit on one of them! Haha
Your intonation is completely thrown out with every bend. Definitely need a fixed roller bridge
To me it looks great.👍
Duesenberg - classic LP - I get it. Blinded by the light - Revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night
Sorry for being silly - This looks like a good product. Looks like an enhancement to my SG clone may be in the future.
You were running on all 12 cylinders with this demo.
one way to measure strings, micrometer. quick and easy. also if the guitar was fitted with 10-46, good chance the nut slots will maybe too big and cause string rattle when tuned to pitch. Sounds like a sitar!
I'm impressed! I like it a lot. I've been thinking of buying one to go on my Les Paul Standard Lite DC. Just for that subtle wiggle. They're inexpensive as well (at least, in Europe they are). And..., so important, they're easy to install, you don't need to drill or do other scary stuff, so you can always get your guitar back in its original shape.
Glad you made this video. Thanks!
Great addition to a great guitar.
I have one on my LP Classic, easy install and works good.
That looks custom as hell! Nice!!!
If you look at the hardware that you've got with the tremelo, there is a little wrench that You can tighten a nut at the top of the Spring to will Stop your tremble arm from swinging Down.
I have an old Les Paul Deluxe and this trem looks like it could be a nice little adition to it. Thanks for the video!
I like the Les Trem because of, as you found out, you can install it without doing major surgery on a guitar and see if it works, the only time I have had an issue with a Les Trem is when there is not enough space between the Trem and the bridge, then the angle is too much and it doesn't really function correctly. I have them on two Reverend guitars (one with a roller bridge, one with a standard bridge) and those work great, good range and stable tuning, tried one on a Squire M80 and it was not so good, too little space there between bridge and Trem, lots of string catch on the bridge due to the angle. Oh, and Revstars are obviously "influenced" heavily by Reverend Guitar designs.
I'm glad you did this. I've been considering one for my 335. It certainly does the thing.
I put one on a ltd ex50 a year ago. The zero modification to the guitar body itself aspect was the first selling point to me. Seeing as if I diddnt like it no problems going back to stock set up. After a year, I will be buying a couple more to have around because I've always shy,d away from stop tailpiece guitars because I always feel the need for some amount of wiggle and never had any personal problems with any other type of trem system from bigsby to floyd. Deusenberg les trems are the way to go man. Like this guy in the vid says, it's no where near a floyd but if your someone who doesn't ever have a need to dive bomb trust me you won't regret it.
This was fun to watch, never used a Duesenberg before personally.
Changing the thimbles are very easy. no power tools. Take the stud to a hardware stor find a matching bolt thread that is around 2" of thread is screw in in as it tightens the insert slips out. very easy. Also take a pencil and put some graphite on the nut. I put a Lstrem on my Les Paul with a roller bridge locking tuners and graphite on the nut.
Hell yes!
When I put a roller bridge on my Epiphone I just put it on the stock posts. The bridge I used has set screws on both sides of the post to lock it down. Unless the posts were a different size I see no reason you couldn't have done the same with your guitar.
Also, I am surprised that this trem works so well with lighter strings since it is similar to a Bigsby. I found 9s to be too light on my guitar that has a Bigsby.
Ok, I'm loving this thing. I have been on the fence for a while about a Les Trem I have been waiting for Ryan to demo this. It's super awesome he chose to use the Revstar as that's what I have for a guitar. There is also a Goldo branded version that comes in black apparently.
Goldo is the manufacturer. All thier stuff is good. At least everything I’ve tried so far.
I put a Goldo one on my Electra MPC. Totally love it. I've also tried it on this SX Liquid that I have , liked it on there too
@James McComb It's the perfect video for you then. I bet you're all REV-ed up about it now LOL
I have the predecessor to the Les Trem called “the Bowen handle” and I needed to add roller saddles on the bridge. The tusq nut helps too. I think they work well.
The Les Trem is fantastic on a Les Paul, but the roller bridge is definitely a help. Too much drag and friction on the standard bridge otherwise.
Looks good and sounds verdens good, so much that I will get one myself 😀 Thanks a lot for your review ✨🎸
I tried one of these on my Epi ES-339 (the one with the more Bigsby looking arm though) and it seemed to change the break angle of the strings and I didn’t like the way it felt so took it off and sold it. I also added a roller bridge and now I wonder if it was that that caused the guitar to feel so different as everyone seems to love these…
I put the goldo version of this trem on my sg and just never could get used to it. I think I would have liked it more if the the tail piece were further back. If you look at some of the duesenburg guitars the tail piece is way further back than Gibsons.
This is the exact issue I had when I put it on my Firebird. My strumming hand felt cramped. I switched it over to a Fender Blacktop Jaguar where the stop bar is
positioned further away from the bridge, much better.
Same. Tried it on an Ibanez semi-hollow, and the joint where the arm meets the trem was in the way. It works great though.
I thought it worked really well when I had one on my Guild Bluesbird, but I didn’t like the way the extra tension felt on the guitar. It didn’t feel like the slinkier 24 3/4” neck that I liked so much about the guitar in the first place.
This is a great addition to any guitar that has a tune-o-matic bridge. I just installed a gold version to my HB SG style guitar and it works great and stays in tune. The only issued I had is screwing it to the body. The screws worn't going in that easy so I decided in install it using my original standard stop-tailpiece screws. It looks a bit odd but does the job.
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That Guitar Definitely Looks A Lot Nicer With That Duesenberg Trem II On It.
The Yamaha's are gorgeous. Railhammer makes a couple different humbucker size P90 types that aren't as harsh and mid fovused as most 90's.The GFS Surf 90's are another solid flavor as well if you don't do humbuckers ( like myself).
Then there's always the classic Alnico Phat Cats.
Havent heard much good about the Les Trem; maybe just stick with the Maestro Vibrola.
I think the les trem is the sleekest & sexiest looking trem system around.