Thanks for mentioning me It's called a open deck design and it's a saw tooth cut in between cylinders and cylinders walk and allow coolant to leak into the cylinder 1.5L 1.6L and 2.0L ecoboost of certain generations all have the intrusion problem 1.6L and 2.0L Get complete long blocks and the 1.5L Ecoboost gets a shortblock rebuild
Ford Boss Me is correct. The repair under warranty if coolant intrusion is found on the 1.6 was to replace the engine. This was stated in the coolant pressure testing section of the WSM. That was changed in late 2019 early 2020. Engineering found that most failure's was cause by short block or head gaskets if I remember correctly.
@@williamwchuang ok but other engines with a slit or groove do just fine and the original design found it did ok during testing. So what specifically is the problem here?
Yup. I have replaced hundreds of 1.5 short blocks now. Ford has also released customer satisfaction program 21N12 basically extending the warranty on this particular repair requirement for those who have surpassed all their factory. Given how expensive this repair is, you can bet that this issue happens more often than not, with these engines.
I'm in Australia and just got my 2019 Ford Escape 1 5 Ecoboost 4 turbo with 120k in it last Dec 2022. So far so good! Going like a champ! Sure it could use a little more power on steep hills but Im not fussed! Done its 135k service with no major issues picked up! Guess Im one of the lucky ones so far based on your review. Only time will tell! 150k with timing belt replacement on the way I better pray for it to continue to go as the little champ it is currently! 🤞 Loved your review by the way! ❤
I beat the dog crap out of my first 1.5 all the way to 90k and oil changes every 8-12k due to working 90 plus hours a week. Never gave me a single issue. Now my second one is still running strong at 120k getting the redline treatment daily. Ford has never let me down other then MT-82s in the stangs. I’m convinced driving your cars, the way they should be driven is actually healthy.
Thank you for your video! Unfortunately, the 2.0 Ecoboost suffers from the same problems as the 1.5L. The 2.0 was only produced in significantly smaller numbers, so the problem is less noticeable, but it equally exists.
the 2.5 four cylinder engine that's in so many transit connects is a solid motor. I don't hear many people talk about its merits but it has been very reliable for me.
@@AuGold808 I have a Maverick XLT hybrid and love it. Got it last month after waiting 13 months for it. The main issue some people have run into is a bad battery harness. Not an issue with the engine.
My 2021 escape with the 1.5 dragon just turned 170,000 miles. Work car! Transmission went at 130,000 . I change oil every 5,000 miles. Motor has been flawless, 33mpg,runs beautifully
did you change transmission fluid? I guess 130K miles is not that much when the car spends most of its life on the HWY so I'd have expected at least 200K in that condition. Also have you had the timing belt changed or is it "lifetime"?
@engineer_alv changed trans fluid at 75,000 and 120,000 or so. Has a timing chain verified by dealer . At 180,000 almost so far so good. Fingers crossed
Bullet Proof?! NO Good? Yes They had major oiling issues and overheating issues We have 2 at the shop oil pressure issues and I have one next to my house where my neighbor says oil light started flickering over a weeks time and at the end of the week on the way home 70mph Piston went through the block Good engines but the oiling issues was not so good
Had the 1.5 in a 2018 escape. At 95,000 miles it developed a coolant intrusion problem. Replaced the head gasket and it was fine. Probably still running. It’s a shame that literally one poor engineering choice could have such an impact.Most fail because of block design with the grooved deck not providing enough head gasket support. After designing and building engines for over a hundred years making a head gasket seal long term shouldn’t be an issue for Ford .I had no block cracking and I suspect most don’t. Everything else on the vehicle and engine was trouble free. While 95,000 miles isn’t great service life, if you’re handy with tools, I imagine you could pick up some pretty good bargains on a Ford vehicle with this problem for the price of a head gasket.
My company bought a 2023 Escape with the 1.5L ecoboost 888 miles. It went into limp mode threw P1299 and the dealership said it needs a new cylinder head and that the metal shavings caused a blockage and overheated the engine. 😢 it’s sad because it is a pleasant car to drive.
Ford just released an extended warranty to cover this engine. It's 7 years or 84,000 miles from original start date. They will replace the short block with a different design to correct the problem.
You know, I give up. Ford has a known horrific issue with block failures on the 1.5 (oh and the others are the same). Now there is an issue with one of the V8's. Nissans eat their CVT trannies, whilst the Subarus and Focus are not much better. Subes also do a number on their heads. Don't get me started on the German stuff, particularly VW. The number of reliable manufacturers is getting smaller. Lexus/Toyota/Honda ? Hyundai /Kia ? Please weigh in. Is it just my paranoia ?
Every company has its issues but its how a company handles the issues when they do arise speaks volumes for me. I had an issue CV axle in the Maverick and Ford went above and beyond to make sure the issue was resolved and to make sure I was satisfied
Have a 2013 Ford Fusion with a 2.5 engine I purchased new and it has been the best car I've ever owned, 148,000 and only oil changes every 3000 - 5000 miles, brake pads, rotors and still going strong. Just purchased a newer 2019 Ford Fusion SEL with 1.5 ecoboost engine that has 27,000 miles and read about problems with the engine so I checkef the Carfax and engine block has already been replaced by ford in 2022. I'm looking foward to many years of smooth driving.
I’m looking at a Ford fusion right now that’s had the short block replaced at 50,000 miles. There’s 57,000 on it now. When they replace the short block is the issue addressed? Or can it happen again later down the road?
Bought my 2018 escape used with 40k miles. At 63k miles i had white smoke comming out of the exhaust and rough idle. Took it to my mechanic and he said it was sparkplugs and he replaced all the plugs. Problem was fixed for a couple days and started up again. He replaced #2 plug and it was ok until i got a powertrain failure alarmLuckily i was able to get it to the dealership and they had to replace the engine block. After 4k miles after the fix, they had to realign the injectors since they werent in right and i was smelling gas fumes in the car. Seems to be working ok now
Very informative video. Would you happen to know what drives the oil pump on these? As some Fords have a dedicated wet belt just for that, instead of connecting the oil pump directly to the crankshaft...
This Y I will never own a Ford! And I feel bad 4 the people that do! They only make disposable vehicles meant to b driven for 50k miles then trade 4 another new, The only vehicles Ford actually makes good are the Mustang and Superduty trucks, all other models r just money makers 4 Ford! Good luck 2 all late model Ford owners and I mean it Sincerely
I don’t think Ford makes any good newer vehicles other than the 7.3 gas in a F-250 on up. The 2.7 now is on the verge of cam phasers now. The 5.0? Those are junk also with the plasma transfer wire arc liners, oil eaters. They must be getting out of the car business, just like Nissan has with their line of awful CVT’s (I have owned, and have experienced).
You were saying Ecoboost 1.6L, which i have on my kuga has less issues than the 1.5 correct. Wondering cause I'm french I don't understand everything. Interesting video. Thanks a lot!
Traded in our 2017 escape with 95k miles before major issues could start happening. Topped off the coolant around a year ago and noticed it was already below min again which freaked me out. Additionally the engine was burning over a quart of oil between changes. Also didn’t want to have to pay to do timing belt when the engine might have to soon be replaced. Got a 2023 CR-V which we love and has a chain vs belt. Wanted a rav4 to completely be free of turbos but I’m tall and could not fit in passenger seat without my head hitting. I know Honda had oil dilution issues but people have posted their 1.5L with over 500k miles and zero issues now, and nothing like this POS ecoboost.
Ask any mechanic and they will always say timing chains are the way to go, not timing belts. I mean if you love to do more maintenance by all means get an engine with a timing belt. Better yet make sure its an interference engine this way when the timing belt breaks it can take out a couple of valves in the process
@@jmc6000 I agree! Case in point: my '05 2.5 sohc Subaru. If the head gaskets don't fail, the timing belt will break and the engine will eat itself. Nothing but chunks in the road after that.
@@jmc6000 I am a mechanic and just like you'll change a timing belt at a certain time for maintenance you'll be changing at least guides in a chain motor I've changed plenty of timing chains etc
The fact that the Hemi V8 engines make a lot of horsepower should not be the only criteria for a good engine. What about efficiency, economy & reliability? This should be part of the equation right?
I gotta civic DX with the 1.5 l 4 cylinder spent 4700 rebuilding the motor and not even a week of getting it back the motor blew apparently because of no oil in the filter but got a oil change not even 3 days before
So I’m sort of unclear at this point in the video. What years for the 1.5 suck? 2017 fusion here. I’ve noticed some quirks to this engine for sure after only 8k miles. Engine is incredibly sensitive to fluids. Reminds me of late 2000s tuner turbo builds. Engine runs like a diesel basically. And these engines hate to be driven by grandmas. But frequent coolant changes and 5000 mile oil changes to keep the turbo happy seem to be the regimen. This engine is not up to modern car standards for ownership on service intervals. Also seems to be the smart move to do timing belts early at like 50k so as to inspect everything else really. Especially the carbon buildup as leak down issues would be a nightmare to diagnose on this.
my son has 1.5 ecoboost in ford fusion (2017) he has only 22000 miles on it he bought it new and we maintain it properly, wonder how long it will last? lol
From a consumer prospective. At this time. I prefer timing belts. These manufacturers and cheap plastic components in timing chain set's. Makes absolutely no sense. Also, let's be honest. The cost of doing timing chain repair today isn't like a sbc, or old 302 or something like it. I'd rather have something that sure I know has to be part of the maintenance of a vehicle. Rather than something randomly braking in a chain setup. This actually drove my buying decision a year ago for my wife car. Had to replace a 05 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 with a 15 Acura RDX 3.5
How long would it take you to come up with a list? My frustrations is that manufacturers only care for the shareholders. Not the end user's. ( Not meant to sound like a prick)
Try $1,250 to replace on a Voltswagen Jetta...and the risk of the rubber belt breaking and ruin the engine... i never buy another with a rubber timing belt....
Lol. This 1.5l ecoboost is one of the noisiest modern engine. It’s awful. The timing belt doesn’t help when the rest of the engine is super loud. It’s a POS in general. Plenty of other cars use timing chains with quiet engines.
I have never cranked a vehicle i owned...with a steel timing chain and say boy the timing chain is making a noise....alway hear power steering pump or ac compressor...it cost me #1250 dollars to replace them every 90,000 on a volkswagen jetta....i got a Ford 3.0 vulcan v6...with over 269,000 it has a steel chain and never replaced....
I'm a gm guy all the way, and I've heard others who love the 3.8. I have had 5 in my shop all cracked heads. I for curiosity after 2 cracked heads changed brakes on one and checked exhaust gasses in the coolant and always has been present 5 out of 5 times. Its had that problem. Just from my own experiences and I have family who love them but they don't work on cars everyday. So maybe I'm just unlucky.
It suffers from coolant deletion as well! Both times it was the 1.6, but I had 2 blow coolant hoses and cause sudden warnings to pull of the road immediately! I don’t think the 1.5 is really that different. I won’t buy a Ford anytime soon. I’d rather replace a timing belt for $1500 in my J35 Honda and have it running strong at 205k than deal with Ford and it’s massive problems that plague all their engines
How do these companies with all their resources and supposedly the best engineers still have these problems? Do you know if the 2.3 Ecoboost in a 2020 Mustang has any issues? I only have 13K on it, plan to change the oil more frequently than per Ford’s schedule.
We had a 2015 Fusion SE that had the 2.5l engine and it was junk! 22k miles it had a cracked cylinder head in 3 places. Ford towed to dealer fixed under warranty then we got it back 3 weeks later. Drove it until we hit about 50k and misfires again. This time replaced the Ignition coild, Injectors and plugs and still no fix. It was a random misfire and I never did diagnose what it was, but I suspected another cracked head or gasket issue and traded it for a Camry SE I told the dealer about the issue and they traded anyway. I checked back later and the salesman said they had it in the Ford dealership they also owned getting it fixed whatever it was. The 2020 Camry SE has been great we have not had any issues. What gets me is the 2.5 engine was supposed to be good. I looked up and found multiple reports of cracked heads on them in the 2015 year range. Turns out Ford had a 3rd party make the heads and did not make them to spec. Cost Ford a future customer in me because I am done with Ford. I will have to see major improvement in their quality control before I ever consider them again. By the way Ford CEO admitted and said they had serious quality control problems that will take years to correct. That was a bright move for him to basically tell people we got Quality problems so why not buy a Ford. I applaud his honesty, but why would I risk my hard earned money on something that might be very costly down the road? I will roll the dice with a Toyota anyday compared to Ford the way it is right now. I still like some of their models and might buy an older Grand Marquis or Lincoln Grandma car for a hwy cruiser, but nothing modern.
I think GM's 3400 was just a limited production test engine. Limited as in, it didn't see anywhere near the numbers of the 3100. Although I acknowledge that there are many many 3400s out there still functioning today. But it did in some ways lead to the development of the GM High feature engine. The best of which reached 100 horsepower per liter. One of my personal vehicles has the 3600, 302 horsepower. Not too bad for a high revving (7000 RPM) V6 that has enough bottom and torque to make me feel satisfied while driving. And the 3600 saw explosive numbers in sales as they were in nearly every single mid-range and up GM vehicle. While the 3400 can't compare to the HF V6, it's still a GM 60° V6. it all started in with the LE2
The 3.4 i am referring to in the video was a DOHC 60 degree V6 that originally was just an OHV block design that GM just slapped on DOHC heads and called it a day. That was there 1st mistake lol.
@@jmc6000 oh my God right! I had a 3100, I forget the designation, in an 03 malibu. Holy crap did this thing leak. But yeah, the 3400 overhead valve in my 05 Impala I believe it was, had the same problem. But the more modern High feature v6, it's the same 60° block with dual overhead cam heads slapped on it just like the lq1.
If you want to have fun with a grocery getter Ecoboost get the Fusion/Edge/Flex with the 2.7, the Taurus with the 3.5, Explorer with the 3.0, MKZ 3.0 etc. They're all cousins built in mind of the Focus/Fiesta ST 👿
The ford edge 2.0 Ecoboost from 2015 to 2018 have the same problems coolant intrusion on cylinder #3. I just sold mine with 108 k km with this problem. Never ford again.
The real problem is the in oil timing belt since owners cant guarantee that the correct oil is always used. Dry timing belts are well proven to be no problem if maintenance is carried out on time.
Much appreciated...thank you for posting... Is the 4 cylinder turbo they put in the all wheel drive For Fusion any good? Im also looking at.the same car with the turbo 6 cylinder...all wheel drive also. Blessings
Once the engine is replaced with the redesigned block coolant intrusion disappears completely. Yes it was a bad design to keep the cylinders as cool as possible(not a crack in the block this is incorrect). Ford re-designed the space between the cylinders where the valve cover touches the block and the bottom of the engine.
I’m looking at a Ford fusion 1.5L eco boost right now that’s had the short block replaced at 50,000 miles. There’s 57,000 on it now. When they replace the short block is the issue addressed? Or can it happen again later down the road?
Does anyone in Europe have similar problems? As far as I know, there are almost no similar problems with Fords made in Germany. In other words, at the end of 2018, the error on the engine was fixed. Newer car models with a 1.5 ecoboost engine, 165 hp should be very ok.
@@jmc6000 appreciate the quick response, honestly I’m hoping you can answer one more thing for me. I’m considering the 3 cylinder in an Escape or paying a little more for the CRV. I can pay for both, is it worth it to just get the 2020 CRV 1.5L CRV instead? Really appreciate it!
@austinblair7901 I would deffentally stay away from the 1.5 turbo from Honda as that has fuel delusion issues since it is only direct injection and not direct and port injected like the 1.5 in the Ford Escape
1.5L ford escape I never had. I had a 2013 ford escape SEL with the 2.0L turbocharged engine. The engine went on it at only 194,200kms . I would NEVER by a ford again . Tho 1.6L , the 1.5L, the 2.0L all in a escape are all shit
I wouldn’t buy any ecoboost. They have so many issues. Next up are the transmission cooler lines are all rotting out, near the radiator. I have one Ford, a 1997 F-350 with the 7.3 PSD. Other than that, we went Toyota, and have 2 4Runners. I wouldn’t keep an ecoboost if I was given one.
Dry timing belt no problem,oil in intake manifold Is big trouble,Chain Is better inTurbo Dragon 110+147kw has engine oil pump driving by belt in oil bath😮 Dragon 1,5 88kw has wet belt like 1,0EB-sh*t design.😢
🇺🇸❇⚓🔩⚓❇🇺🇸.....The 1.5 L is quite a compact/tiny engine.....The opposite I guess of Ford's 4.6 L Modular V8.....Evening & buenos noches from Charm City sir/senor!....
Yes the 5.4 3 valve is not a very good engine either but the 3.5 Cyclone V6 is actually a really good engine even with the internal chain driven water pump
Your talks are THE MOST blurry to say. You say: bad engine, bad engine and you provide no clear clue to why you say that. And by the way..., you say "engine", the word "engine" means that you refer to the engine. If you refer to a hose or something else which is not part of the "engine" mechanism then why do you blame the engine? So, dud is what you talk when you don't come with correct details. I happen to work now on a 1.5L Ecoboost and for me it's one of the most remarkable engines I've worked on in terms of how well engineered they are. Oh..., and guess what, to everyone's surprise, at 350k kilometers it doesn't eat coolant through the gasket. I had to dismantle all of it to the pistons in order to see why was the coolant level dropping quick. The answer is..., a tiny little hole in the cylinder wall through which coolant is getting either below the piston or on top of it, depending on piston position. This was definitely a manufacturing fault and this little unknown internal crack that initially didn't spread out, now has gotten to the cylinder wall and pours coolant into the oil or combustion chamber. The head gasket and the head don't otherwise show signs of coolant traveling between the gasket and the head even with that slit between the cylinders which indeed is a great risk to have the coolant travel beneath the gasket, yet it still didn't happen on this particular engine at all. So, of course, not 100% of them will get to this issue. It's a chance to have that. Again, calling something a "dud" just because you are so free to impose your personal hate and like is as subjective as it can be. The Ecoboost is the most efficient, powerful for it's capacity and reliable engine ever built in my personal opinion. The engines failures, ENGINES failures, are mostly happening due to dud people putting dud oil or changing it under a dud mind as late as to ruin the engine (not the engine's fault) or simply never checked the oil pickup (on wet belts versions) which gets clogged at every 60k miles and all it needs is a cheap cleanup. That's what we're talking about.
Again not all of Ford's timing chain systems are junk but a timing belt on the other hand will always be a flawed design. Never heard of a belt lasting the life of an engine but I have heard of timing chains lasting the life of an engine. Example 4.6 SOHC Modular V8
Hondas have had their share of problems. Even Toyotas, which were considered "the gold standard" 30, 40 yrs ago have some "turds" after 2000, the result of boosting output to have a better bottom line!
I bought a 2019 Fusion 1.5 Ecoboost not having any knowledge of how much of a POS this motor is ...the coolant galleys around the two outside cylinders are fine but between the two middle cylinders coolant galleys hardly exist...those two middle cylinders run hot as hell. The need arose to change plugs, the #1 and # 4 came out fine no problem. The # 2 spark plug after much cursing and pb blaster finally came out, but the #3 sparkplug was virtually welded into the head...the thread sleeve of the spark plug sheared right off the spark plug electrode...the plug came out minus the threads...the thread sleeve remained in the head ...I could not believe Ford would wilfully, knowingly, design, build and market and engine that would self destruct at 106,000 miles...it had 90,000 on it when I bought it. It would have cost over $ 6500 to pull the head to fix that plug. But despite changing out the plug the real problem can't be fixed, that block was designed to self destruct, .it was not just the 1.5 either a slew of those blocks between 2015-2020 were just as bad .SOL had run out on the engine replacement for that car...so I got completely screwed on that car....Ford obviously has Nazi Communist leanings...Ford built tanks for Hitler during WW 2 these corporations have absolutely no moral principles so when shit hits the fan they'll be dealt with at the hands of criminals with no moral principles as well ...these corporations in this country have become political monsters and deserve every bit of what's coming their way...
I had to trade my 2019 ford escape 1.5L in because I kept loosing coolant, and there were no leaks. I knew what that meant. It only had 39000.00 miles and NOT driven hard. Needless to say that between ford not doing a recall, and the horrendous recalls over the last 2 years, I did not return to ford for the first time in 41 years.
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Thanks for mentioning me
It's called a open deck design and it's a saw tooth cut in between cylinders and cylinders walk and allow coolant to leak into the cylinder
1.5L 1.6L and 2.0L ecoboost of certain generations all have the intrusion problem
1.6L and 2.0L Get complete long blocks and the 1.5L Ecoboost gets a shortblock rebuild
Thankyou for the clarification I appreciate all that you are doing for your customers and for the dealership you work for.
Ford Boss Me is correct. The repair under warranty if coolant intrusion is found on the 1.6 was to replace the engine. This was stated in the coolant pressure testing section of the WSM. That was changed in late 2019 early 2020. Engineering found that most failure's was cause by short block or head gaskets if I remember correctly.
@@CPsGarage The problem is caused by a groove Ford cut into the deck. The replacement engines have a pinhole instead of a groove.
@@williamwchuang ok but other engines with a slit or groove do just fine and the original design found it did ok during testing. So what specifically is the problem here?
Rich, how can I find out if my block replacement was long or short? Any help greatly appreciated!!! -Rich from NJ
Yup. I have replaced hundreds of 1.5 short blocks now. Ford has also released customer satisfaction program 21N12 basically extending the warranty on this particular repair requirement for those who have surpassed all their factory. Given how expensive this repair is, you can bet that this issue happens more often than not, with these engines.
Thank you for posting this! I appreciate it. You probably saved me $7500
Are the new 3 cyl 1.5s any better?
How much coast the repair ?
Hello Michael, how often have you seen coolant in the oil in a 1.5L with the bad block
@@conwaykid77 admittedly, I haven't seen any personally.
I'm in Australia and just got my 2019 Ford Escape 1 5 Ecoboost 4 turbo with 120k in it last Dec 2022. So far so good! Going like a champ! Sure it could use a little more power on steep hills but Im not fussed! Done its 135k service with no major issues picked up! Guess Im one of the lucky ones so far based on your review. Only time will tell! 150k with timing belt replacement on the way I better pray for it to continue to go as the little champ it is currently! 🤞 Loved your review by the way! ❤
Almost 160,000 miles on my 1.5 still going good. Inside of the motor is clean as a whistle. Oil changed every 3,000 miles.
you are lucky...
Any day now…
5000 miles is okay or you recommend 3000 miles oil change? I have the 2.0 Ecoboost.
I beat the dog crap out of my first 1.5 all the way to 90k and oil changes every 8-12k due to working 90 plus hours a week. Never gave me a single issue. Now my second one is still running strong at 120k getting the redline treatment daily. Ford has never let me down other then MT-82s in the stangs. I’m convinced driving your cars, the way they should be driven is actually healthy.
@@G__Schmidt I have just bought a 2017 1.5 litre petrol ecoboost. Its only done 27,000 miles but so paranoid something is going to go wrong with it 😢
Thank you for your video! Unfortunately, the 2.0 Ecoboost suffers from the same problems as the 1.5L. The 2.0 was only produced in significantly smaller numbers, so the problem is less noticeable, but it equally exists.
the 2.5 four cylinder engine that's in so many transit connects is a solid motor. I don't hear many people talk about its merits but it has been very reliable for me.
They are also in Ford Fusions and Escapes as well.
@@atx-cvpi_99 yeah idk how they hold in those models but I've had two transit connects hit 200k with basically just oil changes and basic maintenance.
And it's in the Maverick hybrid. The 2.5 engine is based on the Mazda Miata engine.
@@scupking well I've heard bothing but bad things about the maverick so that's weird..
@@AuGold808 I have a Maverick XLT hybrid and love it. Got it last month after waiting 13 months for it. The main issue some people have run into is a bad battery harness. Not an issue with the engine.
The Toyota v6s of the 90s we're the best ones ever made. My dad put 400k on his Tacoma. Lol
Not the 3.0
My 2021 escape with the 1.5 dragon just turned 170,000 miles. Work car! Transmission went at 130,000 . I change oil every 5,000 miles. Motor has been flawless, 33mpg,runs beautifully
did you change transmission fluid? I guess 130K miles is not that much when the car spends most of its life on the HWY so I'd have expected at least 200K in that condition.
Also have you had the timing belt changed or is it "lifetime"?
@engineer_alv changed trans fluid at 75,000 and 120,000 or so. Has a timing chain verified by dealer . At 180,000 almost so far so good. Fingers crossed
Jeep 4.0 another bulletproof engine
Bullet Proof?! NO
Good? Yes
They had major oiling issues and overheating issues
We have 2 at the shop oil pressure issues and I have one next to my house where my neighbor says oil light started flickering over a weeks time and at the end of the week on the way home 70mph Piston went through the block
Good engines but the oiling issues was not so good
Had the 1.5 in a 2018 escape. At 95,000 miles it developed a coolant intrusion problem. Replaced the head gasket and it was fine. Probably still running. It’s a shame that literally one poor engineering choice could have such an impact.Most fail because of block design with the grooved deck not providing enough head gasket support. After designing and building engines for over a hundred years making a head gasket seal long term shouldn’t be an issue for Ford .I had no block cracking and I suspect most don’t. Everything else on the vehicle and engine was trouble free. While 95,000 miles isn’t great service life, if you’re handy with tools, I imagine you could pick up some pretty good bargains on a Ford vehicle with this problem for the price of a head gasket.
My company bought a 2023 Escape with the 1.5L ecoboost 888 miles. It went into limp mode threw P1299 and the dealership said it needs a new cylinder head and that the metal shavings caused a blockage and overheated the engine. 😢 it’s sad because it is a pleasant car to drive.
Ford just released an extended warranty to cover this engine. It's 7 years or 84,000 miles from original start date. They will replace the short block with a different design to correct the problem.
When did this happen and does it cover the 1.6?
@@aidenmonkeynat6024 I believe it started this past June. I think it only covers 2017 to 2019 Ford Fusion with a 1.5.
@@andykolbin1783 go figure my wife's escape 1.6 is using coolant
Funny how Ford always extend warranty in the USA but in the rest of the world we can fk off.
Would have been nice 2 years ago when mine died lol
My 19 Escape with a 2.0 jut hit 100,000 miles with absolutely nothing on the car broken. I'm happy but have my fingers crossed
This is one of the worst engines from any manufacturer ever.
I would say the only engines I know of that are worse are GM's 2.4L ecotec and the infamous Chrysler 2.7L
You know, I give up. Ford has a known horrific issue with block failures on the 1.5 (oh and the others are the same). Now there is an issue with one of the V8's. Nissans eat their CVT trannies, whilst the Subarus and Focus are not much better. Subes also do a number on their heads. Don't get me started on the German stuff, particularly VW. The number of reliable manufacturers is getting smaller. Lexus/Toyota/Honda ? Hyundai /Kia ?
Please weigh in. Is it just my paranoia ?
Every company has its issues but its how a company handles the issues when they do arise speaks volumes for me. I had an issue CV axle in the Maverick and Ford went above and beyond to make sure the issue was resolved and to make sure I was satisfied
Original Quad4 was a badass engine , but was expensive so they came out with another, and another etc.
The Quad Four! I'm still having Oldsmobile nightmares. 😂
Lol
Have a 2013 Ford Fusion with a 2.5 engine I purchased new and it has been the best car I've ever owned, 148,000 and only oil changes every 3000 - 5000 miles, brake pads, rotors and still going strong. Just purchased a newer 2019 Ford Fusion SEL with 1.5 ecoboost engine that has 27,000 miles and read about problems with the engine so I checkef the Carfax and engine block has already been replaced by ford in 2022. I'm looking foward to many years of smooth driving.
I’m looking at a Ford fusion right now that’s had the short block replaced at 50,000 miles. There’s 57,000 on it now. When they replace the short block is the issue addressed? Or can it happen again later down the road?
Thanks for the tip i was planning 2.5 dohc ford s model .... With u giving greenlight i will now pursue for that car ..
80,000 trouble free miles on my 2018 escape 1.5. Guess I got a good one.
How hard is it to make a good quality engine today with all of technology I don't get it!!
Over Engineering 😐
Bought my 2018 escape used with 40k miles. At 63k miles i had white smoke comming out of the exhaust and rough idle. Took it to my mechanic and he said it was sparkplugs and he replaced all the plugs. Problem was fixed for a couple days and started up again. He replaced #2 plug and it was ok until i got a powertrain failure alarmLuckily i was able to get it to the dealership and they had to replace the engine block. After 4k miles after the fix, they had to realign the injectors since they werent in right and i was smelling gas fumes in the car. Seems to be working ok now
Hey I take offense to you calling the our Chrysler 2.7L engine bad. It held its ground...lol..JK, great video, great channel, liked and subbed.
Very informative video. Would you happen to know what drives the oil pump on these? As some Fords have a dedicated wet belt just for that, instead of connecting the oil pump directly to the crankshaft...
The oil pump on this engine is driven directly off the crankshaft.
when i heard about this problems it just scare me and i sold my escape 2017 almost for nothing
1.5 and 2.0 bad.... 2.5 good. Ford mechanic here!!
This problem has been corrected on newer models
New design has failed to so garbage engine.
This Y I will never own a Ford! And I feel bad 4 the people that do! They only make disposable vehicles meant to b driven for 50k miles then trade 4 another new, The only vehicles Ford actually makes good are the Mustang and Superduty trucks, all other models r just money makers 4 Ford! Good luck 2 all late model Ford owners and I mean it Sincerely
Not all Ford's even the newer ones are bad and if given the choice I rather have a newer than anything GM is dishing out of late!
I don’t think Ford makes any good newer vehicles other than the 7.3 gas in a F-250 on up. The 2.7 now is on the verge of cam phasers now. The 5.0? Those are junk also with the plasma transfer wire arc liners, oil eaters. They must be getting out of the car business, just like Nissan has with their line of awful CVT’s (I have owned, and have experienced).
And ALL the "other" manufacturers make QUALITY vehicles built to last forever. Dream on!
Older fords are way better I have the ford 3.0l v6 almost 200k no problems ,same with my f150 4.6l v8 has over 400k original engine.
You were saying Ecoboost 1.6L, which i have on my kuga has less issues than the 1.5 correct. Wondering cause I'm french I don't understand everything. Interesting video. Thanks a lot!
Wasn’t the Ford 1.5L duds limited to the 2017-19 models?
No unfortunately ALL of the 1.5 ecoboosts are duds
Traded in our 2017 escape with 95k miles before major issues could start happening. Topped off the coolant around a year ago and noticed it was already below min again which freaked me out. Additionally the engine was burning over a quart of oil between changes. Also didn’t want to have to pay to do timing belt when the engine might have to soon be replaced.
Got a 2023 CR-V which we love and has a chain vs belt. Wanted a rav4 to completely be free of turbos but I’m tall and could not fit in passenger seat without my head hitting.
I know Honda had oil dilution issues but people have posted their 1.5L with over 500k miles and zero issues now, and nothing like this POS ecoboost.
Timing belts are better than chains because of vibration and less reciprocating mass
Keep smoking that weed
Also more precise
Ask any mechanic and they will always say timing chains are the way to go, not timing belts. I mean if you love to do more maintenance by all means get an engine with a timing belt. Better yet make sure its an interference engine this way when the timing belt breaks it can take out a couple of valves in the process
@@jmc6000 I agree! Case in point: my '05 2.5 sohc Subaru. If the head gaskets don't fail, the timing belt will break and the engine will eat itself. Nothing but chunks in the road after that.
@@jmc6000 I am a mechanic and just like you'll change a timing belt at a certain time for maintenance you'll be changing at least guides in a chain motor I've changed plenty of timing chains etc
1600.00 for a thermostat replace. there are 2 and both need to be replaced if one fails.. engine has to be taken apart to get to them
Poor escapes. Good looking SUV but unfortunately stuck with that motor lol
Thank you for all the good information. I will not be buying a Ford with a 1.5L engine 👍
The fact that the Hemi V8 engines make a lot of horsepower should not be the only criteria for a good engine. What about efficiency, economy & reliability? This should be part of the equation right?
Indeed it should
I gotta civic DX with the 1.5 l 4 cylinder spent 4700 rebuilding the motor and not even a week of getting it back the motor blew apparently because of no oil in the filter but got a oil change not even 3 days before
Wow that sucks bro, so sorry to hear that
So I’m sort of unclear at this point in the video. What years for the 1.5 suck? 2017 fusion here. I’ve noticed some quirks to this engine for sure after only 8k miles. Engine is incredibly sensitive to fluids. Reminds me of late 2000s tuner turbo builds. Engine runs like a diesel basically. And these engines hate to be driven by grandmas. But frequent coolant changes and 5000 mile oil changes to keep the turbo happy seem to be the regimen. This engine is not up to modern car standards for ownership on service intervals. Also seems to be the smart move to do timing belts early at like 50k so as to inspect everything else really. Especially the carbon buildup as leak down issues would be a nightmare to diagnose on this.
From 2016 to 2019 or the years to avoid the 1.5 Ecoboost
I’m going to trade my fusion 1.5 in soon for the maverick hybrid. The city mpg is terrible 17-21mpg.
All sad but true.
I hear a lot of news that the hemis are going bad really early due to a tic from the engine....
That is new news to me and something I would have to look into
@@jmc6000 have you seen the tiny 1.2 l in the trailblazer LoL..
@@1976axerhand no not yet lol
Stay away from the "Hemis" with AFM, And the mid-year Cummins diesel!
my son has 1.5 ecoboost in ford fusion (2017) he has only 22000 miles on it he bought it new and we maintain it properly, wonder how long it will last? lol
Look at 50 to 75k miles if you keep with the maintenance interval.
Close ro 200,000 I bet. Mines going on 160,000 and still ticking away like a clock.
From a consumer prospective. At this time. I prefer timing belts. These manufacturers and cheap plastic components in timing chain set's. Makes absolutely no sense. Also, let's be honest. The cost of doing timing chain repair today isn't like a sbc, or old 302 or something like it. I'd rather have something that sure I know has to be part of the maintenance of a vehicle. Rather than something randomly braking in a chain setup. This actually drove my buying decision a year ago for my wife car. Had to replace a 05 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 with a 15 Acura RDX 3.5
But there are also engines out there with timing chains that can go 200 to 300k without ever needing chains or guides ie: Ford 4.6 SOHC
How long would it take you to come up with a list? My frustrations is that manufacturers only care for the shareholders. Not the end user's. ( Not meant to sound like a prick)
@@jmc6000 and most Toyota engines.
@@jmc6000 pp
Try $1,250 to replace on a Voltswagen Jetta...and the risk of the rubber belt breaking and ruin the engine... i never buy another with a rubber timing belt....
I love timing belts. They are so easy to maintain.
And they are QUIET, too!
Lol. This 1.5l ecoboost is one of the noisiest modern engine. It’s awful. The timing belt doesn’t help when the rest of the engine is super loud. It’s a POS in general. Plenty of other cars use timing chains with quiet engines.
I have never cranked a vehicle i owned...with a steel timing chain and say boy the timing chain is making a noise....alway hear power steering pump or ac compressor...it cost me #1250 dollars to replace them every 90,000 on a volkswagen jetta....i got a Ford 3.0 vulcan v6...with over 269,000 it has a steel chain and never replaced....
3.8 best GM ever
I'm a gm guy all the way, and I've heard others who love the 3.8. I have had 5 in my shop all cracked heads. I for curiosity after 2 cracked heads changed brakes on one and checked exhaust gasses in the coolant and always has been present 5 out of 5 times. Its had that problem. Just from my own experiences and I have family who love them but they don't work on cars everyday. So maybe I'm just unlucky.
Agree! 100%
It suffers from coolant deletion as well! Both times it was the 1.6, but I had 2 blow coolant hoses and cause sudden warnings to pull of the road immediately! I don’t think the 1.5 is really that different. I won’t buy a Ford anytime soon. I’d rather replace a timing belt for $1500 in my J35 Honda and have it running strong at 205k than deal with Ford and it’s massive problems that plague all their engines
Not all their engines have issues and every automaker make one or two bad engines like Honda's 1.5 Turbo for Example
ATTENTION ALL 1.5L 4 CYLINDER ECOBOOST OWNERS, 2017-2020 ENGINES HAVE BEEN RECALLED AND THERE IS A 2022 REVISED VERSION
If i bought one with it's block replaced then i should not be worried?
Yes that is correct
How do these companies with all their resources and supposedly the best engineers still have these problems? Do you know if the 2.3 Ecoboost in a 2020 Mustang has any issues? I only have 13K on it, plan to change the oil more frequently than per Ford’s schedule.
The 2.3 has less issues
We had a 2015 Fusion SE that had the 2.5l engine and it was junk! 22k miles it had a cracked cylinder head in 3 places. Ford towed to dealer fixed under warranty then we got it back 3 weeks later. Drove it until we hit about 50k and misfires again. This time replaced the Ignition coild, Injectors and plugs and still no fix. It was a random misfire and I never did diagnose what it was, but I suspected another cracked head or gasket issue and traded it for a Camry SE I told the dealer about the issue and they traded anyway. I checked back later and the salesman said they had it in the Ford dealership they also owned getting it fixed whatever it was. The 2020 Camry SE has been great we have not had any issues. What gets me is the 2.5 engine was supposed to be good. I looked up and found multiple reports of cracked heads on them in the 2015 year range. Turns out Ford had a 3rd party make the heads and did not make them to spec. Cost Ford a future customer in me because I am done with Ford. I will have to see major improvement in their quality control before I ever consider them again. By the way Ford CEO admitted and said they had serious quality control problems that will take years to correct. That was a bright move for him to basically tell people we got Quality problems so why not buy a Ford. I applaud his honesty, but why would I risk my hard earned money on something that might be very costly down the road? I will roll the dice with a Toyota anyday compared to Ford the way it is right now. I still like some of their models and might buy an older Grand Marquis or Lincoln Grandma car for a hwy cruiser, but nothing modern.
I think GM's 3400 was just a limited production test engine. Limited as in, it didn't see anywhere near the numbers of the 3100. Although I acknowledge that there are many many 3400s out there still functioning today. But it did in some ways lead to the development of the GM High feature engine. The best of which reached 100 horsepower per liter. One of my personal vehicles has the 3600, 302 horsepower. Not too bad for a high revving (7000 RPM) V6 that has enough bottom and torque to make me feel satisfied while driving. And the 3600 saw explosive numbers in sales as they were in nearly every single mid-range and up GM vehicle. While the 3400 can't compare to the HF V6, it's still a GM 60° V6. it all started in with the LE2
The 3.4 i am referring to in the video was a DOHC 60 degree V6 that originally was just an OHV block design that GM just slapped on DOHC heads and called it a day. That was there 1st mistake lol.
@@jmc6000 yeah..... the LQ1 right?????
@@jmc6000 oh......😄😆🤣 I said 90°. I ment 60
@@nighttow8780 Now the 3400 V6 OHV on the other hand was a decent engine except for the intake gaskets failing from Dexcool
@@jmc6000 oh my God right! I had a 3100, I forget the designation, in an 03 malibu. Holy crap did this thing leak. But yeah, the 3400 overhead valve in my 05 Impala I believe it was, had the same problem.
But the more modern High feature v6, it's the same 60° block with dual overhead cam heads slapped on it just like the lq1.
If you want to have fun with a grocery getter Ecoboost get the Fusion/Edge/Flex with the 2.7, the Taurus with the 3.5, Explorer with the 3.0, MKZ 3.0 etc. They're all cousins built in mind of the Focus/Fiesta ST 👿
The ford edge 2.0 Ecoboost from 2015 to 2018 have the same problems coolant intrusion on cylinder #3. I just sold mine with 108 k km with this problem. Never ford again.
The real problem is the in oil timing belt since owners cant guarantee that the correct oil is always used. Dry timing belts are well proven to be no problem if maintenance is carried out on time.
This engine does not use an oil bathed timing belt.
Very informative video thanks for sharing...👍
Much appreciated...thank you for posting... Is the 4 cylinder turbo they put in the all wheel drive For Fusion any good? Im also looking at.the same car with the turbo 6 cylinder...all wheel drive also. Blessings
As long as that 4cyl Turbo is the 2.0 then it's a decent engine. Any of the V6s in the Fusion are really good as well
@@jmc6000 thank you!
Once the engine is replaced with the redesigned block coolant intrusion disappears completely. Yes it was a bad design to keep the cylinders as cool as possible(not a crack in the block this is incorrect). Ford re-designed the space between the cylinders where the valve cover touches the block and the bottom of the engine.
I’m looking at a Ford fusion 1.5L eco boost right now that’s had the short block replaced at 50,000 miles. There’s 57,000 on it now. When they replace the short block is the issue addressed? Or can it happen again later down the road?
Does anyone in Europe have similar problems? As far as I know, there are almost no similar problems with Fords made in Germany. In other words, at the end of 2018, the error on the engine was fixed. Newer car models with a 1.5 ecoboost engine, 165 hp should be very ok.
In Europe we know how to maintain car.
Wifes '17 escape died at 76,000 miles because of this. Almost made me swear off Ford completely.
Why didn’t you?
1.4l 1.5l and the 2.0 Ecoboost
How bad are the 3cylinder Ecobooms in the Escape? Looking for a shopping cart type commuter and you can get those 3cyls for a good price brand new
They have actually proven to be pretty reliable
just got a 2020 Escape and that little motor will surprise you. It acts like a engine double its size.
Waiting for that maverick video
Stay turned as I have an update video coming next week
400 back in the early 70s was junk to
Because GM used a nylon coating on the timing gear teeth and nylon cam sprockets.
The legend
So would you recommend the 1.5 L 3 cylinder in a 2020 Escape?
I would if you don't mind the 3cyl roughness at idle and the poky power band it has
@@jmc6000 appreciate the quick response, honestly I’m hoping you can answer one more thing for me. I’m considering the 3 cylinder in an Escape or paying a little more for the CRV. I can pay for both, is it worth it to just get the 2020 CRV 1.5L CRV instead?
Really appreciate it!
@austinblair7901 I would deffentally stay away from the 1.5 turbo from Honda as that has fuel delusion issues since it is only direct injection and not direct and port injected like the 1.5 in the Ford Escape
I heard the new Ford Ranger hybrid 2024 gets a ecoboost motor, which motor is it, I'm too afraid to ask I think.
Actually it will not get the Ecoboost but instead get the NA 3.3 V6 out the F150 and Explorer
If it’s going to be an Ecoboost it’s most likely going to have a 2.7 or 3.0 Ecoboost but I doubt it.
In my opinion Ford Escape died in 2012. 2013+ gave Escape a bad name. I would never buy one past 2012.
The 2020 and newer have a good reputation
1.5L ford escape I never had. I had a 2013 ford escape SEL with the 2.0L turbocharged engine. The engine went on it at only 194,200kms . I would NEVER by a ford again . Tho 1.6L , the 1.5L, the 2.0L all in a escape are all shit
Agreed
Get a 2.5L, it’s bulletproof!
Ford boss me knows his shit
EcoBoost junk !!!!!!!!!!!
Not all Ecoboost engines are junk, this one on the other hand is
I wouldn’t buy any ecoboost. They have so many issues. Next up are the transmission cooler lines are all rotting out, near the radiator. I have one Ford, a 1997 F-350 with the 7.3 PSD. Other than that, we went Toyota, and have 2 4Runners. I wouldn’t keep an ecoboost if I was given one.
The 400M was pretty bad.
Dry timing belt no problem,oil in intake manifold Is big trouble,Chain Is better inTurbo Dragon 110+147kw has engine oil pump driving by belt in oil bath😮 Dragon 1,5 88kw has wet belt like 1,0EB-sh*t design.😢
Is the 2019 mk4 1.5 eco boost engine 3 cylinder engine any good
The 1.5 Dragon I3 seems to be a really good powrrplant
Hello, You have a good Ford fix channel.
Any chance to contact you?
You can DM me at anytime! Or email me at jchristiansen6000@gmail.com
Beats me why anybody buys Big 3 these days. Total junk, build quality dropped off a cliff years years ago, sheetmetal is newspaper and tuna cans.
🇺🇸❇⚓🔩⚓❇🇺🇸.....The 1.5 L is quite a compact/tiny engine.....The opposite I guess of Ford's 4.6 L Modular V8.....Evening & buenos noches from Charm City sir/senor!....
Just bought a fusion with this engine and kicking myself
The 1.0 Ecoboost is bad too
I have one of the new 3 banger eco boost hopefully I’m safe lol
Dad's 400 was replaced 6 times
At 40000 it was ready for engine number 7
These companies need to calm the f**k down and build quality duh ! !!!!
Ford, haha, that's America for ya, and I live here. We just gave them a 9.2 billion loan of our tax dollars, on unicorn electrics, that'll never fly
EcoBoof
Worst Ford engine? Really? You seem to be forgetting the infamous 5.4L "3-valve" Triton and the 3.5L V6 with the "internal" water pump!
Yes the 5.4 3 valve is not a very good engine either but the 3.5 Cyclone V6 is actually a really good engine even with the internal chain driven water pump
Your talks are THE MOST blurry to say. You say: bad engine, bad engine and you provide no clear clue to why you say that. And by the way..., you say "engine", the word "engine" means that you refer to the engine. If you refer to a hose or something else which is not part of the "engine" mechanism then why do you blame the engine? So, dud is what you talk when you don't come with correct details. I happen to work now on a 1.5L Ecoboost and for me it's one of the most remarkable engines I've worked on in terms of how well engineered they are. Oh..., and guess what, to everyone's surprise, at 350k kilometers it doesn't eat coolant through the gasket. I had to dismantle all of it to the pistons in order to see why was the coolant level dropping quick. The answer is..., a tiny little hole in the cylinder wall through which coolant is getting either below the piston or on top of it, depending on piston position. This was definitely a manufacturing fault and this little unknown internal crack that initially didn't spread out, now has gotten to the cylinder wall and pours coolant into the oil or combustion chamber. The head gasket and the head don't otherwise show signs of coolant traveling between the gasket and the head even with that slit between the cylinders which indeed is a great risk to have the coolant travel beneath the gasket, yet it still didn't happen on this particular engine at all. So, of course, not 100% of them will get to this issue. It's a chance to have that. Again, calling something a "dud" just because you are so free to impose your personal hate and like is as subjective as it can be. The Ecoboost is the most efficient, powerful for it's capacity and reliable engine ever built in my personal opinion. The engines failures, ENGINES failures, are mostly happening due to dud people putting dud oil or changing it under a dud mind as late as to ruin the engine (not the engine's fault) or simply never checked the oil pickup (on wet belts versions) which gets clogged at every 60k miles and all it needs is a cheap cleanup. That's what we're talking about.
Plus rusted out at 4 years old
They ALL do! All makes! We live in a "throw away" society now. Planned obsolescence is the name of the game!
Look at fords timing chains they are junk Honda's timing belts way better and will always be better.
Again not all of Ford's timing chain systems are junk but a timing belt on the other hand will always be a flawed design. Never heard of a belt lasting the life of an engine but I have heard of timing chains lasting the life of an engine. Example 4.6 SOHC Modular V8
Hondas have had their share of problems. Even Toyotas, which were considered "the gold standard" 30, 40 yrs ago have some "turds" after 2000, the result of boosting output to have a better bottom line!
Lexus is the KING OF THE WORLD.
I bought a 2019 Fusion 1.5 Ecoboost not having any knowledge of how much of a POS this motor is ...the coolant galleys around the two outside cylinders are fine but between the two middle cylinders coolant galleys hardly exist...those two middle cylinders run hot as hell. The need arose to change plugs, the #1 and # 4 came out fine no problem. The # 2 spark plug after much cursing and pb blaster finally came out, but the #3 sparkplug was virtually welded into the head...the thread sleeve of the spark plug sheared right off the spark plug electrode...the plug came out minus the threads...the thread sleeve remained in the head ...I could not believe Ford would wilfully, knowingly, design, build and market and engine that would self destruct at 106,000 miles...it had 90,000 on it when I bought it. It would have cost over $ 6500 to pull the head to fix that plug. But despite changing out the plug the real problem can't be fixed, that block was designed to self destruct, .it was not just the 1.5 either a slew of those blocks between 2015-2020 were just as bad .SOL had run out on the engine replacement for that car...so I got completely screwed on that car....Ford obviously has Nazi Communist leanings...Ford built tanks for Hitler during WW 2 these corporations have absolutely no moral principles so when shit hits the fan they'll be dealt with at the hands of criminals with no moral principles as well ...these corporations in this country have become political monsters and deserve every bit of what's coming their way...
Not just Ford, you can throw GM and Chrysler in the mix as well
Buy high quality chinesse cars brand:
global changan
Ford needs to be put out of business go Honda much much better made vehicle
Honda's little 1.5 Turbo is a dud as well!
I had to trade my 2019 ford escape 1.5L in because I kept loosing coolant, and there were no leaks. I knew what that meant. It only had 39000.00 miles and NOT driven hard. Needless to say that between ford not doing a recall, and the horrendous recalls over the last 2 years, I did not return to ford for the first time in 41 years.
Nothing wrong with timing belts, I prefer them as they’re A LOT cheaper to replace than chains that don’t really last any longer!
2.4l ecotec is a dud