Personally I believe that the Putrescent Knight IS a horse. The body of the knight is made up of the horses bones, and the body of its mount is made of the horses putrid flesh.
If we go with the selfishness theory with the Putrescent Knight, we can draw a parallel to Thiollier, who wanted St Trina all to himself. A love so strong that it causes possessive tendencies maybe.
I was under the impression that putrescence is the fate of flesh not burned in Ghostflame. But the fact that the knight and the sorceries produce ghostflame seems to debunk that.
And now I am imagining Thiollier and the Putrescent Knight simping for St. Trina because they didn't get enough sleep. I should not be finding this so funny, yet here I am with mymown lack of sleep.
hmm i think it's more likely these ships are like a viking funeral. they were supposed to be burned in ghostflame, but because of the changing times and the abandoment of the custom, they didn't, and became putrescence instead. the sorcery involves finally burning the putrescence in ghostflame.
@PrateekMogili so the description tells us it, "Flings a great mass of putrescence that bathes its landing area in ghostflame. In an age long past, Death was burned by ghostflame. Even the remains of tainted flesh were given equal treatment in death." Not only does it tell us tainted flesh was given equal treatment in death, but using putrescent spells leaves behind ghost flame, indicating it's been burned before.
I think the it takes up the form of Radahn through Trina’s memory and used the skeletons to fork the body. Also I started typing this right before you mentioned something similar
I think Miquella would also be a good god had he not given up everything that made him him. St. Trina is his other half so he can't be too unsimilar of her. Especially if he had to cast away his own doubt on his way to godhood. It is clearly implied that he did really want to undo the sin of his mother and bring up a nicer age without being basically a dictator. Like Radahn too, who wanted also to protect the people from the chaos of the shattering. His knights even after his downfall fight against the rot to defend the rest of the lands between from it. The problem is that most of them were misguided by their own goals or the were merely puppets from powers far older and more powerful than them.
I never actually considered the Radahn connection. I just thought it could have been formed from a Knight in a previous land. Good theory though. Slightly off topic, but I always wondered why there were bloodfiends in this area. Its probably already been explained but its something that I always tried to work out.
10:06 oh my gosh I just realized that I’ve been looking at the song wrong what I thought was her head and body is just the stocking flower. I never realize that actual form is that base.
I enjoy comparing Elden Ring motifs to those in other Fromsoft games. I like to see if they can help fill in gaps in one anothers stories. St. Trina and Putrescenes actually makes the whole "The Deep" stuff clearer. Putrescenes being the replacement for "dregs". The whole concept of a deep sea, while Trina and her knight are at the bottom of a whole filled with stone boats surrounded by liquid. The odd overlap that the St. of the Deep came up with all this in a DREAM. It's also funny to pretend St. Trina might be the young pale girl in hiding Aldrich dreamt about (I know it is Yorshka and DS and Elden Ring are not connect just pointing out the evolution of the idea).
Speaking of putrescence what are those blobby things that are just masses of poison or rot or slime given life that you can find in sewer and underground and in caves that constantly try to smother you from the ceiling or stab you with its spears? Obviously they are just re-skinned mimic tears, but I don’t think I’ve seen a video on them lorewise.
They're basically just lumps of flesh that take on the aspects of wherever they are. There's no hard written lore but my theory is that they are like the leftovers of death in the lands between since nothing "really" dies
Could you do a lore video on the albinaurics. Why are they caged in so many places and why they have 2 different looking generations and why are there so many different types of them?
@@square-table-gaming Yes the second generation looking like aliens are always been a mystery as they don't have nothing in common with the first gen than their name. And i also think the academy had much to do with them and maybe they gave the albinaurics a job to guard and scout the areas of the academy. I think they also wanted protection so they joined Mogh's forces.
I agree with the reason thee knight looks like Rodan. I also think that Trina (like most lilies) will flower again and her knight will return to defend his god. On a different note. As much as I love Elden Lore, I feel that we are running out of creatures. Have you thought of branching out to other games. The Genma of Onimusha, the Oni of Nioh or even the robots of Nier.
I've been putting a lot of thought into it and I'm not entirely sure what to tackle next. No matter what we do TH-cam won't want to push it so it's gotta be something I'm passionate about so I can stay motivated.
I am a fan of the theory that putrescence is a result of Marika remove Destined Death. For example, Ghostflame used to be a strong violet color until that red was removed. I like the theory because it places a timeline on a before and after Marika became Eternal.
If Fromsoft did decide to make a follow-up of Elden Ring, Saint Trina being the big divinity would be awesome. Some flowers do come back each year! So her showing up wouldn't be absurd ❤
I am convinced that it is primarily comprised the corpse of Radahn and the warriors and knights he consumed, as St.Trina was discarded, so was the flesh of Radahn. His putrescence became her knight. Guardian of her final resting place.
If they had gathered Radahns remains why would it not have been mentioned as it was with mohg? Also, how would we account for Alexander gathering up his remains and adding them to his jar?
I think the strongest point is that it wasn’t mentioned. If you complete Alexander’s quest, you end up killing him. So Radahn’s remains potentially still could’ve been gathered. I do think your theory in the video is stronger, the knight being based on Radahn from Trina’s memories and strong emotional ties to Radahn because of Miquella.
@CarbonFiberSwan this is true, but they'd need to be gathered from Farum Azula. That's a pretty tall order. Also, we get Alexander's innards which would include Radahn and we give them to Jar-Bairn
Did Radahn actually make a promise to Miquella? In the backflash at the end of the DLC we only see and hear Miquella talkink. And even in the lore book it talks about a vow and the vow Miquella made to Radahn, I did read it. But is it anywhere stated, that Radahn really, intentionally supported Miquella? If that was the case, he didn't need to be confronted by Malenia.
I believe the implication is that Radahn would honor the vow if Malenia could defeat him, as in that scene Miquella says, "If we honour our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort. I'll make the world a gentler place." The "we" implies both he and someone else must uphold the vow in order for Radahn to agree. I think it's much more likely he would have agreed to it with this stipulation
@@square-table-gaming Interesting. "Show me you are strong enough and I will support you!" -Radahn said, expecting a fair, open fight. But then not only resulted the fight in a draw, Malenia exhaustedly saved by a cleanrot knight and Radahn losing his wits, but also Caelid was ruined. So in the end it was the tarnished, who finished Radahn in the festival. Since Radahn was not satisfied, Miquella had to brainwash him. Is that what you mean? Definitely interesting.
@kyte5648 basically yeah. I think Miquella and Malenia knew that death was the only way to fulfill the oath. Radahn made a death pact with Jerren so we know that's not out of the ordinary for him. I think Malenia was supposed to kill Radahn but she didn't get the job done, which is why Miquellas plans were on hold until we killed him.
Something I’ve never thought of before now, and maybe it’s explained in the lore. In order to go through the gate and become a god, Miquella had to divest himself of everything, including his other half. Did Marika have to do the same thing? Is that why she was able to have children with her other half, because she divested herself of him, making him an individual? The obvious counter to that is the fact that we clearly see Marika turn into Radagon in the Erdtree, but maybe after the Elden ring was shattered they rejoined? We know Marika was imprisoned in the Erdtree for shattering the Elden Ring, so perhaps the Erdtree (or the Greater Will; whatever it was that imprisoned her) did not differentiate between the 2 halves and imprisoned them both 🤷🏼♂️
Miquella needed to divest himself of the old order so it's likely something Marika didn't have to do. I believe Radagon was not her other half at the time; that she became the God, Lord and Vessel all at once. Miquella is doing what Marika did in reverse. "A lord will usher in a god's return, and the lord's soul will require a vessel." Marika brings her Lord Radagon to the gate, acts as his vessel, and they become a God. He only isn't considered the first Elden Lord because he was one with Marika when she chose Godfrey to be her Elden Lord. Making Radagon the 2nd Elden Lord was a way to grant legitimacy to her other half. How they kept the secret that they were the same person is beyond me.
@@square-table-gaming Thanks for the reply. Another point that has left me confused is in one of the trailers for the DLC. We see who I believe to be Marika taking strands of gold from what looks like Godwyn's eye and presenting that at the gate. What exactly was going on there? Godwyn was born to Marika after she ascended as a god wasn't he? So why would she have been taking something from his corpse and presenting it to the gate?
@CarbonFiberSwan definitely not related to Godwyn. If anything I think most of us believe those are being pulled from a serpents womb. That scene is depicting the moment Marika became a god at the gate
@@square-table-gaming I mean, is it just coincidence that Godwyn's eyes on his corpse look strikingly simliar? I did just go and read some theories, and a lot of people are saying it is actually some kind of cloth. I don't know, seemed like a very odd scene.
There is a dead giveaway in the Putrescent Knight's model... that gives it away that it IS in fact the remains of Radhan & Leonard. Look at the feet of the P. Knight, or should I say the lack thereof feet. Just like Radhan when we fight him in Caelid, his feet are worn down to the nubs of his ankles... JUST LIKE the P. Knight!! Awesome vid STG! Cheers mates! 🍻
Almost certainly because the enemy is recycled from a time before the dlc was fleshed out and the gloam eyed queen was going to play a larger part in the story. Things left over in the game indicate that the story changed in significant ways often through development
Ok but I just had an idea that the knight of the glom eyed queen did die and tern into putrescent and when joined with Trina’s nectar it became the putrescent knight but your explanation is way more accurate since there is literally no mention of the glom eyed queen’s knight in any other place
My take: Sleep is as close to death as the Lands Between has had for a long time. Eternal sleep is akin to death. Trina is therefore wielding a power akin to the rune of death, and because she fills a similar role, the knight defends her as if she were the true GEQ. In combination with theories that Marika may have been the GEQ (Godwyn being the death prince, Melina somehow being able to mete out Destined Death, Messmer and Rykard's snake affiliations when the GEQ used an amniotic sac), it makes sense that her Miquella would also have competing dual aspects of inertia and force.
@@tropezando yes but I actually believe that melina is the glom eyed queen because of the frenzied flame ending and the fact that only her and malikath are the ones associated with destined death and that the glom eyed queen’s eye that granq gives us is so identical to Melina’s eye in the ending the eye that is closed and the fact that the glom eyed queen is never said that she was killed and the fact that Melina was imprisoned and lost her memory and that she also has something for berth as the GEQ as for the god skin
@@tropezando and about marika and radagon I believe that they were once separated as in the Brazilian copy of Elden ring he is said to be a giant directly and we find one of his eyes with an ancient champion of zamor meaning that he fought on the opposite of the giants and lost his eyes to this champion and a hammer in stormvail that says that someone used it who wanted to escape from the world and that it needs that strength of a giant to Weald properly and that the grafted sword tells the story of a repeal who later became a champion of the golden order we only know of one person with this title radagon
I would personally love and support something like that. I’m a huge fan of the Elden ring videos and I would love it to see this channel expand to other videogames. I really want a video about the Dark crusaders or perhaps Adyr the bereft exile since I’m still not fully certain what to make of him.
Personally I believe that the Putrescent Knight IS a horse. The body of the knight is made up of the horses bones, and the body of its mount is made of the horses putrid flesh.
Completely agree, It's a Putrescent Knight(mare).
I agree, especially after watching BonfireVN's model breakdown. Almost like the horse and putrid flesh split into two.
@@supermassive242😂 underrated comment
@@supermassive242great pun
My theory is that Leonard is the horse
If we go with the selfishness theory with the Putrescent Knight, we can draw a parallel to Thiollier, who wanted St Trina all to himself. A love so strong that it causes possessive tendencies maybe.
I was under the impression that putrescence is the fate of flesh not burned in Ghostflame. But the fact that the knight and the sorceries produce ghostflame seems to debunk that.
And now I am imagining Thiollier and the Putrescent Knight simping for St. Trina because they didn't get enough sleep. I should not be finding this so funny, yet here I am with mymown lack of sleep.
Personally, I believe that it's a reaction from the numens adaptable flesh to ghostflame. Even in death, it adapts
You're posts are legit my way of relaxing. Especially at work or in stressful times
I'm glad my content could be that for you, we all need a way to wind down right now .
The Putrescent Knight is Radahn's spiritual body, guarding other half of miqquella
What exactly is a "spiritual body" if his spirit has already been placed inside Mohg's body?
My first time with this boss was TRAUMATIC.
SAME
As I said in the comments of the members version of this,if Malenia can have offshoots like Milicent then I don't see why Trina couldn't as well
I agree!
I love how both of the Twins are tied to flowers.
hmm i think it's more likely these ships are like a viking funeral. they were supposed to be burned in ghostflame, but because of the changing times and the abandoment of the custom, they didn't, and became putrescence instead. the sorcery involves finally burning the putrescence in ghostflame.
The written lore states that the putrescence is a direct result of tainted flesh in these ships being burned in ghost flame
@@square-table-gamingI thought it said they were supposed to be burned with ghost flame but weren’t ?
@PrateekMogili so the description tells us it, "Flings a great mass of putrescence that bathes its landing area in ghostflame.
In an age long past, Death was burned by ghostflame. Even the remains of tainted flesh were given equal treatment in death." Not only does it tell us tainted flesh was given equal treatment in death, but using putrescent spells leaves behind ghost flame, indicating it's been burned before.
I actually like your theory most out of all of the ones I’ve heard, I think that would make a lot of sense
I think the it takes up the form of Radahn through Trina’s memory and used the skeletons to fork the body.
Also I started typing this right before you mentioned something similar
I think Miquella would also be a good god had he not given up everything that made him him. St. Trina is his other half so he can't be too unsimilar of her. Especially if he had to cast away his own doubt on his way to godhood.
It is clearly implied that he did really want to undo the sin of his mother and bring up a nicer age without being basically a dictator. Like Radahn too, who wanted also to protect the people from the chaos of the shattering. His knights even after his downfall fight against the rot to defend the rest of the lands between from it.
The problem is that most of them were misguided by their own goals or the were merely puppets from powers far older and more powerful than them.
So personally, i kinda enjoy tarnished archaeologist's theory on the boats and how the putrecence came to be and all.
I never actually considered the Radahn connection. I just thought it could have been formed from a Knight in a previous land. Good theory though.
Slightly off topic, but I always wondered why there were bloodfiends in this area. Its probably already been explained but its something that I always tried to work out.
10:06 oh my gosh I just realized that I’ve been looking at the song wrong what I thought was her head and body is just the stocking flower. I never realize that actual form is that base.
Trina's body falls to the ground after we beat Consort Radahn. before then, you can see her almost being cradled by the flower
I enjoy comparing Elden Ring motifs to those in other Fromsoft games. I like to see if they can help fill in gaps in one anothers stories. St. Trina and Putrescenes actually makes the whole "The Deep" stuff clearer. Putrescenes being the replacement for "dregs". The whole concept of a deep sea, while Trina and her knight are at the bottom of a whole filled with stone boats surrounded by liquid. The odd overlap that the St. of the Deep came up with all this in a DREAM. It's also funny to pretend St. Trina might be the young pale girl in hiding Aldrich dreamt about (I know it is Yorshka and DS and Elden Ring are not connect just pointing out the evolution of the idea).
Speaking of putrescence what are those blobby things that are just masses of poison or rot or slime given life that you can find in sewer and underground and in caves that constantly try to smother you from the ceiling or stab you with its spears? Obviously they are just re-skinned mimic tears, but I don’t think I’ve seen a video on them lorewise.
They're basically just lumps of flesh that take on the aspects of wherever they are. There's no hard written lore but my theory is that they are like the leftovers of death in the lands between since nothing "really" dies
Could you do a lore video on the albinaurics. Why are they caged in so many places and why they have 2 different looking generations and why are there so many different types of them?
We get into that in our video on the albinauric woman! It may be worth getting more in-depth though
@@square-table-gaming Yes the second generation looking like aliens are always been a mystery as they don't have nothing in common with the first gen than their name. And i also think the academy had much to do with them and maybe they gave the albinaurics a job to guard and scout the areas of the academy. I think they also wanted protection so they joined Mogh's forces.
I agree with the reason thee knight looks like Rodan. I also think that Trina (like most lilies) will flower again and her knight will return to defend his god.
On a different note. As much as I love Elden Lore, I feel that we are running out of creatures. Have you thought of branching out to other games. The Genma of Onimusha, the Oni of Nioh or even the robots of Nier.
I've been putting a lot of thought into it and I'm not entirely sure what to tackle next. No matter what we do TH-cam won't want to push it so it's gotta be something I'm passionate about so I can stay motivated.
Putrescent Knight is actually every Elden Ring player
A putrid basement-dweller that only fights to protect their favorite femboy waifu
I mean... Fuck I don't really have a good argument against that
that boss was meant to be GLOAM EYE QUEEN SERVANT
Until they threw out their original plans
I am a fan of the theory that putrescence is a result of Marika remove Destined Death. For example, Ghostflame used to be a strong violet color until that red was removed. I like the theory because it places a timeline on a before and after Marika became Eternal.
The sequel to Astro Bot looks promising.
If Fromsoft did decide to make a follow-up of Elden Ring, Saint Trina being the big divinity would be awesome. Some flowers do come back each year! So her showing up wouldn't be absurd ❤
I am convinced that it is primarily comprised the corpse of Radahn and the warriors and knights he consumed, as St.Trina was discarded, so was the flesh of Radahn. His putrescence became her knight. Guardian of her final resting place.
If they had gathered Radahns remains why would it not have been mentioned as it was with mohg? Also, how would we account for Alexander gathering up his remains and adding them to his jar?
I think the strongest point is that it wasn’t mentioned. If you complete Alexander’s quest, you end up killing him. So Radahn’s remains potentially still could’ve been gathered.
I do think your theory in the video is stronger, the knight being based on Radahn from Trina’s memories and strong emotional ties to Radahn because of Miquella.
@CarbonFiberSwan this is true, but they'd need to be gathered from Farum Azula. That's a pretty tall order. Also, we get Alexander's innards which would include Radahn and we give them to Jar-Bairn
@@square-table-gaming I never actually completed his quest, so I didn't realize you get his innards, so that answers that. Your theory seems spot on.
Could the horse be Leonard, abandoned with st Trina?
I don't believe so for the same reason I don't believe they'd have taken Radahns body.
Could I request the nameless mausoleums of the land of shadows?
Did Radahn actually make a promise to Miquella? In the backflash at the end of the DLC we only see and hear Miquella talkink. And even in the lore book it talks about a vow and the vow Miquella made to Radahn, I did read it.
But is it anywhere stated, that Radahn really, intentionally supported Miquella? If that was the case, he didn't need to be confronted by Malenia.
I believe the implication is that Radahn would honor the vow if Malenia could defeat him, as in that scene Miquella says, "If we honour our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort. I'll make the world a gentler place." The "we" implies both he and someone else must uphold the vow in order for Radahn to agree. I think it's much more likely he would have agreed to it with this stipulation
@@square-table-gaming
Interesting. "Show me you are strong enough and I will support you!" -Radahn said, expecting a fair, open fight.
But then not only resulted the fight in a draw, Malenia exhaustedly saved by a cleanrot knight and Radahn losing his wits, but also Caelid was ruined.
So in the end it was the tarnished, who finished Radahn in the festival.
Since Radahn was not satisfied, Miquella had to brainwash him.
Is that what you mean? Definitely interesting.
@kyte5648 basically yeah. I think Miquella and Malenia knew that death was the only way to fulfill the oath. Radahn made a death pact with Jerren so we know that's not out of the ordinary for him. I think Malenia was supposed to kill Radahn but she didn't get the job done, which is why Miquellas plans were on hold until we killed him.
People have some mixed opinions about this boss but I think the putrescent knight is cool af😂
Random question, I’ve “heard” that you can summon Thollier for this fight but idk what has to be done to see the summon sign. Any help is appreciated
Thiollier is summonable for this fight if you get him to travel to the fissure before you do.
@@square-table-gaming thanks I must have hopped down to early every time
Something I’ve never thought of before now, and maybe it’s explained in the lore. In order to go through the gate and become a god, Miquella had to divest himself of everything, including his other half. Did Marika have to do the same thing? Is that why she was able to have children with her other half, because she divested herself of him, making him an individual?
The obvious counter to that is the fact that we clearly see Marika turn into Radagon in the Erdtree, but maybe after the Elden ring was shattered they rejoined? We know Marika was imprisoned in the Erdtree for shattering the Elden Ring, so perhaps the Erdtree (or the Greater Will; whatever it was that imprisoned her) did not differentiate between the 2 halves and imprisoned them both 🤷🏼♂️
Miquella needed to divest himself of the old order so it's likely something Marika didn't have to do. I believe Radagon was not her other half at the time; that she became the God, Lord and Vessel all at once. Miquella is doing what Marika did in reverse. "A lord will usher in a god's return, and the lord's soul will require a vessel." Marika brings her Lord Radagon to the gate, acts as his vessel, and they become a God. He only isn't considered the first Elden Lord because he was one with Marika when she chose Godfrey to be her Elden Lord. Making Radagon the 2nd Elden Lord was a way to grant legitimacy to her other half. How they kept the secret that they were the same person is beyond me.
@@square-table-gaming Thanks for the reply. Another point that has left me confused is in one of the trailers for the DLC. We see who I believe to be Marika taking strands of gold from what looks like Godwyn's eye and presenting that at the gate. What exactly was going on there? Godwyn was born to Marika after she ascended as a god wasn't he? So why would she have been taking something from his corpse and presenting it to the gate?
@CarbonFiberSwan definitely not related to Godwyn. If anything I think most of us believe those are being pulled from a serpents womb. That scene is depicting the moment Marika became a god at the gate
@@square-table-gaming I mean, is it just coincidence that Godwyn's eyes on his corpse look strikingly simliar? I did just go and read some theories, and a lot of people are saying it is actually some kind of cloth. I don't know, seemed like a very odd scene.
@CarbonFiberSwan it definitely is, but you can tell from a few different things that it's set well before Godwyns birth.
There is a dead giveaway in the Putrescent Knight's model... that gives it away that it IS in fact the remains of Radhan & Leonard. Look at the feet of the P. Knight, or should I say the lack thereof feet. Just like Radhan when we fight him in Caelid, his feet are worn down to the nubs of his ankles... JUST LIKE the P. Knight!! Awesome vid STG! Cheers mates! 🍻
You should make a video about Rakshasha (the boss)
I have! Check out the tarnished files, part 4
@square-table-gaming Awesome, didnt know that, will check that out!!
The putrescent knight’s name in the data base is called knight of the glom eyed queen do you have any explanation to why is it named like this
Almost certainly because the enemy is recycled from a time before the dlc was fleshed out and the gloam eyed queen was going to play a larger part in the story. Things left over in the game indicate that the story changed in significant ways often through development
Ok but I just had an idea that the knight of the glom eyed queen did die and tern into putrescent and when joined with Trina’s nectar it became the putrescent knight but your explanation is way more accurate since there is literally no mention of the glom eyed queen’s knight in any other place
My take: Sleep is as close to death as the Lands Between has had for a long time. Eternal sleep is akin to death. Trina is therefore wielding a power akin to the rune of death, and because she fills a similar role, the knight defends her as if she were the true GEQ.
In combination with theories that Marika may have been the GEQ (Godwyn being the death prince, Melina somehow being able to mete out Destined Death, Messmer and Rykard's snake affiliations when the GEQ used an amniotic sac), it makes sense that her Miquella would also have competing dual aspects of inertia and force.
@@tropezando yes but I actually believe that melina is the glom eyed queen because of the frenzied flame ending and the fact that only her and malikath are the ones associated with destined death and that the glom eyed queen’s eye that granq gives us is so identical to Melina’s eye in the ending the eye that is closed and the fact that the glom eyed queen is never said that she was killed and the fact that Melina was imprisoned and lost her memory and that she also has something for berth as the GEQ as for the god skin
@@tropezando and about marika and radagon I believe that they were once separated as in the Brazilian copy of Elden ring he is said to be a giant directly and we find one of his eyes with an ancient champion of zamor meaning that he fought on the opposite of the giants and lost his eyes to this champion and a hammer in stormvail that says that someone used it who wanted to escape from the world and that it needs that strength of a giant to Weald properly and that the grafted sword tells the story of a repeal who later became a champion of the golden order we only know of one person with this title radagon
I hate this boss so much that I had to respec my build so I could one shot him with lightning
Can you start doing Lords of the Fallen Lore ?
I would personally love and support something like that.
I’m a huge fan of the Elden ring videos and I would love it to see this channel expand to other videogames. I really want a video about the Dark crusaders or perhaps Adyr the bereft exile since I’m still not fully certain what to make of him.
@ yeah me too . I still don’t understand how does someone become a lamp bearer .