@@anomaly395 The Disney-owned Marvel stuff rarely gives me copyright problems. It's kind of surprising. But usually at least something gets detected, even if they don't block the video. Usually soundtrack stuff though. My Fisk video got claimed by Yo-Yo Ma.
@@carlosrivas1629 I wish. Copyright claims are automated. Sometimes you just get lucky and don't get claimed. It's just crazy that a video this long completely passed the checks.
The funniest thing to me about this, is seeing all of the subterfuge, maneuvering, espionage, strategizing, betrayal, and mind games played between Shield and Hydra, and then seeing the Avengers just drop in with no clue about what's going on and trivializing it all.
17:23-17:40 Gotta say, that was oddly satisfying to see that shocked expression from Gonzales when he hears that Fury is alive. Guess his team didn't do enough digging into Coulson.
Gonzales should have been very happy that Coulson wasn't a vindictive bastard. Gonzales sat on the stealth craft that Coulson had needed. This forced Coulson to do the split op that cost Hartley and her team their lives. Coulson had every reason to rip GOnzaled and his board's spines out, and he still looked past it to the mission. Fury would have done worse.
When people say AOS is not canon Me: winter soldier, civil war, AOS I love how in depth they go to add background on the activation of hydra in shield, seeing the fallout of Steve and Tony in S3, everything in AOS how they found Loki’s scepter, the helicarier in AOS was made by Coulson. I fucking love AOS
My favorite thing about the Theta Helicarrier is that it's a recreation of the one from the first Avengers movie and not the newer Winter Soldier model. I don't think anyone would have questioned it if it was the WS version, but the earlier model just makes more sense in-universe for a number of reasons. Great attention to detail.
@@PenneySounds I always chalked that up to reusing the same 3D model during production and not that it was _literally_ meant to be the same carrier in-universe. Mostly because there's not really a logical way for it to be the exact same one given what we know about two carriers and Fury himself.
@@ClonedGamer001 The idea is that after it was damaged by Hawkeye and Hulk, Fury had it stowed away for repairs, and he kept it off-book as a "break glass in case of emergency" deal, and when the Hydra takeover happened, he turned it over to Coulson for safekeeping when he made him director. Then Coulson provided it to him when the Sokovia situation happened.
@@PenneySounds I don't feel like that really makes sense. The original Avengers helicarrier was specifically modified to have the Hulk containment cell, I doubt that was standard on all of them. It wouldn't make sense for a helicarrier that's just for "emergencies" in general would need that specific design feature, especially when that space could he used for something else. I also doubt that simply repairing and then maintaining a carrier would singlehandedly double SHIELD's spending, but _building_ one just might, which leads me to believe that the Theta Helicarrier was a completely new craft
@@ClonedGamer001 Like I show in the video, I think that budget was managing a lot more than just the helicarrier, but also the Avengers facility. Fury literally said he pulled it out of mothballs. Meaning it was a "retired" ship.
Throughout Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker in The Marvel Cinematic Universe. But I love that Baron Strucker had a lot of Connections around The Marvel Cinematic Universe and Plus Thomas Kretschman was Truly Perfectly Casted to Bring Baron Wolfgang to Live Action.
Blame that woman hating bigot Ike Perlmutter. After Disney bought Marvel, he, Kevin Fergie, and Joesph Loeb basically had a fight for control, and while Perlmutter lost, he did damage on the way out. He basically x'ed marvel tv shows to marvel movies for so long, that even the little that happened in AoS was a battle. That's why there was no crossovers until Kevin took over all of MCU, and Kevin folded TV shows into that as well. That's why we're suddently seeing Daredevil and Kingpin in both tv shows, disney shows and apparently future MCU films. Perlmutter is also why there were no female lead MCU film for so long, as he didn't think it would sell. Same as PoC lead films.
@@PenneySounds Then please refute. Because a lot of this is somewhat general knowledge for those aware of how the MCU was run in the early days. Hell, Variety wrote an article describing years of fighting over creative control between Kevin vs Perlmutter, and that was 2 minutes of googling. So saying 'a lot of what you said isn't true', i'll have a hard time believing you know more.
@@stefsmurf There were disputes between Feige and Perlmutter that mostly had to do with Perlmutter's attempts to interfere with the films. But everything you said about that preventing crossovers between the films and shows is just untrue.
Loving the edits. We also learn more about Strucker and List and the Prelude comic for AoU! Have you ever considered putting some tie-in comic panels in your videos?
The powered people in AOS were either enhanced because of a specific incident, or Inhumans who underwent Terrigenesis. Except for Chan Ho Yin, AKA Scorch. He definitely seemed to be a mutant.
@@SeanWheeler100 He was in the area of a nuclear power plant that burned down, but so were millions of other people. That was FitzSimmons' best guess as to where his power came from, but it doesn't add up. His abilities were part of his biology. Like he was adapted to them. He only makes sense as a mutant.
@@PenneySounds But Marvel couldn't use mutants at the time. In fact, they've retconned the origins of non-X-Men mutants like Squirrel Girl in the comics to not get them tangled in Fox's rights.
@@PenneySounds Daredevil was considered non-canon up until the overhaul of Born Again. Marvel Studios initial plan was to make Daredevil Born Again a soft reboot, as the TV shows weren't canon. Then, once the overhaul happened they re-thought their plan and canonized Daredevil, adding it to the Disney+ timeline. Daredevil was left out of the Disney+ timeline up until January 2024 because it wasn't canon until then. Agents of Shield is still not canon. A lot of people wish it was, and consider it canon in theri heads. But it's not
@@ran-te3gz8ed2j Everything you just said is completely incorrect. You can already see how Hawkeye and Echo directly connected to the story of the previous Daredevil series, and they were produced before Born Again. Brad Winderbaum even said he was surprised that people wanted confirmation that the defenders shows were canon and that it wasn't just assumed. Born Again was never going to be any kind of reboot. It just wasn't originally going to be as full of overt connections and character appearances.
Agents of SHIELD was great when it was still tied-in to the MCU... where it went off the rails is when they divorced it entirely into its own timeline.
That's because the MCU execs always tried to alienate AOS, therefore in the last season they moved AOS off earth. It was sad but they had to al lteh contunuity was just some notes passing hands. no official tie-in or support for AOS
How come Agents of SHIELD wasn't affected by the Snap? Sure, there's a chance the whole team could survive the Snap, but why in Season 6 haven't they helped anyone suffering from their losses from the Snap? The Snap was almost mentioned in Season 7 but it was deleted.
Strucker: NO SURRENDER!!!
Also Strucker: I am going to surrender...
You know what's crazy? This entire video had zero copyright claims. Completely passed copyright detection.
Lucky. TH-cam copyright is really weird sometimes.
@@anomaly395 The Disney-owned Marvel stuff rarely gives me copyright problems. It's kind of surprising. But usually at least something gets detected, even if they don't block the video. Usually soundtrack stuff though. My Fisk video got claimed by Yo-Yo Ma.
Crazy? I was crazy once
Your showing that Kevin Fiege cares about story not just money.
@@carlosrivas1629 I wish. Copyright claims are automated. Sometimes you just get lucky and don't get claimed. It's just crazy that a video this long completely passed the checks.
The funniest thing to me about this, is seeing all of the subterfuge, maneuvering, espionage, strategizing, betrayal, and mind games played between Shield and Hydra, and then seeing the Avengers just drop in with no clue about what's going on and trivializing it all.
Months of List's scheming, and Tony just repulsors him to death
When people say agents of shield isn't canon, show them this video.
I was just about to type this.
It's SOOOOO coherent
Unfortunately people who believe that are totally immune to evidence. They're the flat earthers of the Marvel fandom.
Yeah Sorry James Gunn.
AOS is forever canon.
I'm surprised they are saying that now. They weren't saying it when Agents of Shield was still continuing up until season 7.
"Herr Strücker, it's the Avengers!"
"Can we hold them?"
"... They're the Avengers."
😂😂😂
17:23-17:40
Gotta say, that was oddly satisfying to see that shocked expression from Gonzales when he hears that Fury is alive. Guess his team didn't do enough digging into Coulson.
Gonzales should have been very happy that Coulson wasn't a vindictive bastard. Gonzales sat on the stealth craft that Coulson had needed. This forced Coulson to do the split op that cost Hartley and her team their lives. Coulson had every reason to rip GOnzaled and his board's spines out, and he still looked past it to the mission. Fury would have done worse.
20:13 "Good talk" "No it wasn't" lmao
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This series of videos deserves significantly more views, beautifully edited!
You could have titled it “why AOS is cannon”
Could almost call the whole series that
This series of videos are exactly the kind of thing I love. Thank you!
When people say AOS is not canon
Me: winter soldier, civil war, AOS
I love how in depth they go to add background on the activation of hydra in shield, seeing the fallout of Steve and Tony in S3, everything in AOS how they found Loki’s scepter, the helicarier in AOS was made by Coulson. I fucking love AOS
Not canon to the sacred timeline, but it's an alternate time for sure.
@@garvindean6443 Don't post lies on my channel. It is demonstrably not an alternate timeline.
Strucker is an old enemy of shield he should have been in the tv show agents of shield
Me just clicking on to what cousin is doing. This should go viral
The implications that Coulson built the Avengers compound is MAD!
@@acromiss It's likely that fury built it with Coulson's help, but I can't imagine what other base they could possibly have meant.
My favorite thing about the Theta Helicarrier is that it's a recreation of the one from the first Avengers movie and not the newer Winter Soldier model. I don't think anyone would have questioned it if it was the WS version, but the earlier model just makes more sense in-universe for a number of reasons. Great attention to detail.
@@ClonedGamer001 Well it's meant to be the same one. It has the same registry number painted on the side as the one from the first Avengers film.
@@PenneySounds I always chalked that up to reusing the same 3D model during production and not that it was _literally_ meant to be the same carrier in-universe. Mostly because there's not really a logical way for it to be the exact same one given what we know about two carriers and Fury himself.
@@ClonedGamer001 The idea is that after it was damaged by Hawkeye and Hulk, Fury had it stowed away for repairs, and he kept it off-book as a "break glass in case of emergency" deal, and when the Hydra takeover happened, he turned it over to Coulson for safekeeping when he made him director. Then Coulson provided it to him when the Sokovia situation happened.
@@PenneySounds I don't feel like that really makes sense. The original Avengers helicarrier was specifically modified to have the Hulk containment cell, I doubt that was standard on all of them. It wouldn't make sense for a helicarrier that's just for "emergencies" in general would need that specific design feature, especially when that space could he used for something else. I also doubt that simply repairing and then maintaining a carrier would singlehandedly double SHIELD's spending, but _building_ one just might, which leads me to believe that the Theta Helicarrier was a completely new craft
@@ClonedGamer001 Like I show in the video, I think that budget was managing a lot more than just the helicarrier, but also the Avengers facility.
Fury literally said he pulled it out of mothballs. Meaning it was a "retired" ship.
On point doesn't even begin to describe it.
Throughout Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker in The Marvel Cinematic Universe. But I love that Baron Strucker had a lot of Connections around The Marvel Cinematic Universe and Plus Thomas Kretschman was Truly Perfectly Casted to Bring Baron Wolfgang to Live Action.
One thing the early aos did good was MCU continuity
Blame that woman hating bigot Ike Perlmutter. After Disney bought Marvel, he, Kevin Fergie, and Joesph Loeb basically had a fight for control, and while Perlmutter lost, he did damage on the way out. He basically x'ed marvel tv shows to marvel movies for so long, that even the little that happened in AoS was a battle. That's why there was no crossovers until Kevin took over all of MCU, and Kevin folded TV shows into that as well. That's why we're suddently seeing Daredevil and Kingpin in both tv shows, disney shows and apparently future MCU films. Perlmutter is also why there were no female lead MCU film for so long, as he didn't think it would sell. Same as PoC lead films.
Disney bought marvel 2011, avengers and A.O.S came 2012 and 2013 respectively, continuity was a one way street movies to tv, not back and forth
@@stefsmurf A lot of what you said isn't true
@@PenneySounds Then please refute. Because a lot of this is somewhat general knowledge for those aware of how the MCU was run in the early days. Hell, Variety wrote an article describing years of fighting over creative control between Kevin vs Perlmutter, and that was 2 minutes of googling. So saying 'a lot of what you said isn't true', i'll have a hard time believing you know more.
@@stefsmurf There were disputes between Feige and Perlmutter that mostly had to do with Perlmutter's attempts to interfere with the films. But everything you said about that preventing crossovers between the films and shows is just untrue.
Great video
Loving the edits. We also learn more about Strucker and List and the Prelude comic for AoU! Have you ever considered putting some tie-in comic panels in your videos?
It's not quite the same when it's just a still image with no audio.
the magic of agents of shield
Miracle's, powered people, finally are Mutants.
The powered people in AOS were either enhanced because of a specific incident, or Inhumans who underwent Terrigenesis.
Except for Chan Ho Yin, AKA Scorch. He definitely seemed to be a mutant.
@@PenneySounds Scorch got his powers from the Wan Tai power plant. He couldn't be a mutant because Fox wouldn't let Marvel use mutants at the time.
@@SeanWheeler100 He was in the area of a nuclear power plant that burned down, but so were millions of other people. That was FitzSimmons' best guess as to where his power came from, but it doesn't add up. His abilities were part of his biology. Like he was adapted to them. He only makes sense as a mutant.
@@PenneySounds But Marvel couldn't use mutants at the time. In fact, they've retconned the origins of non-X-Men mutants like Squirrel Girl in the comics to not get them tangled in Fox's rights.
@@SeanWheeler100 They never used the word, but he still fits the description.
Now all we need is Ghostrider
1:26 to 1:41 haven’t seen that scene before where’s that scene from?
Wandavision
Where was that first clip from?
Agents of Shield, episode "Rise and Shine"
Season 5
There really, really, really is no Ü in "von Strucker".
@@TheSixthDoctor There is in this one. They make quite a point of it.
Who would want the density of lead and the reactivity of cesium?
Somebody who REALLY wants to win a boxing match.
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I know this show has good and bad moments but I do feel bad this whole thing is not canon.
Then you'll be pleased to learn that it is canon.
@@PenneySounds is it? I mean I’d love it if it was it’s just not in the Disney plus timeline or even their official timeline book.
@@taylorlinyard3533 That's not what makes something canon or not.
@@PenneySounds Daredevil was considered non-canon up until the overhaul of Born Again. Marvel Studios initial plan was to make Daredevil Born Again a soft reboot, as the TV shows weren't canon. Then, once the overhaul happened they re-thought their plan and canonized Daredevil, adding it to the Disney+ timeline.
Daredevil was left out of the Disney+ timeline up until January 2024 because it wasn't canon until then. Agents of Shield is still not canon. A lot of people wish it was, and consider it canon in theri heads. But it's not
@@ran-te3gz8ed2j Everything you just said is completely incorrect. You can already see how Hawkeye and Echo directly connected to the story of the previous Daredevil series, and they were produced before Born Again. Brad Winderbaum even said he was surprised that people wanted confirmation that the defenders shows were canon and that it wasn't just assumed. Born Again was never going to be any kind of reboot. It just wasn't originally going to be as full of overt connections and character appearances.
Agents of SHIELD was great when it was still tied-in to the MCU... where it went off the rails is when they divorced it entirely into its own timeline.
That never happened. It tied into the MCU even in its last episode
@@PenneySounds it did last episode
That's because the MCU execs always tried to alienate AOS, therefore in the last season they moved AOS off earth. It was sad but they had to
al lteh contunuity was just some notes passing hands. no official tie-in or support for AOS
@@N1lav Wow, nothing you just said is true.
How come Agents of SHIELD wasn't affected by the Snap? Sure, there's a chance the whole team could survive the Snap, but why in Season 6 haven't they helped anyone suffering from their losses from the Snap? The Snap was almost mentioned in Season 7 but it was deleted.