Beautiful! So happy to see this sort of data. It’s sorely missing from the power tool world. One thing I’d like to see, and will be part of my TH-cam channel if I ever get around to doing one, is what the behavior is like with two bar or one bar left. For me, an amateur user who doesn’t work long days with my tools, performance with a fully charged battery is useful. But for someone who is working all day long installing deck screws…most of their day will be spent with the battery well under 100%. (My first scene is going to be someone removing a lug nut from a car wheel. When they remove the lug nut they’ll toss the battery to their assistant who will throw back a new fully charged battery, for the second lug nut…repeat. :)
I've gotta get one of those 5.0 High Output batteries. I think it would make my Milwaukee Stubby feel like it was on a sugar rush. Thanks for the excellent test. I think you have the best drill dyno on the web at the moment.
Yep it looks like it boosts performance! I ordered a tester for impacts 3 months ago, hopefully I see it soon. Hoping to run the same test and see. No Problem!
@@Tools-Tested Outstanding. Looking forward to your impact tests. I like your Sergeant Friday, "just the facts" style with results that I can pause and study. Well done.
GREAT test! This shows exactly what’s going on; the Gen3 makes similar torque on many of the batteries, BUT the higher output batteries allow it to make that torque at higher speeds, meaning more power. In practice this means the max size of the fastener it can drive is about the same, it will just do it faster with the higher output batteries. Nicely done!!!
Pretty good improvement--25-50% depending on what you're looking at. I'd previously thought the main improvement was in hammer/concrete drilling but looks like it's improved everywhere. The 2504 was never really known for being that great a compact drill v. the competition. I have one and it's still a very competent tool for most "regular people" uses but just from all the comparo tests I've seen previously it was more towards the bottom. The 3504 seems like it would be much more competitive in-segment. I won't be "upgrading" as I have other more powerful drills when needed, but nice to know the new gen is actually a substantial improvement.
Yep defiantly over the 2504, its nice to see a decent gain. I would like to test the hammer function at some point, I'm working on a tester for that. Yeah the 2504 has plenty of power for most people, its actually crazy now how much these 12v drills have. Might have to pull the old 18v dewalt out and see how it compares.
Another great video, I look forward to seeing you test all the drills. It's cool to see the performance bump of the CP HO battery. I own this kit and thought the HO was better but also thought I might have been lying to myself lol.
Great stuff! Can you show dyno graphs plotted with torque as your x-axis. Then you can also overlay graphs of different tools or batteries and better see the differences.
Thanks! Im currently working on an overlay moving graph but haven't decided if I want to use apple Keynote or another program. I can pull the data in excel format just need to figure out how I want to display it.
My understanding is they rate them as a hard torque vs I test soft torque. Hard torque is a good metric for impacts, but not so much with drills IMO I like my wrist.
Would been cool if you but there specs together at the same time. Curious about the gen 2 higher rpm for what I need it for I don't need high rpm under load
Yeah I have been trying to find a program that would allow side by side active graphing but haven’t had much luck. Would like a graph setup similar to TTC torque wrench ones.
For me, the third generation one is rubbish, it gets too hot and it is very uncomfortable to have such a hot tool in your hand for continuous work, it is more for crafts or
The best tool tests. Objective, straight forward, no BS with the facts and data we need and nothing else. Thanks
Thanks! I appreciate the support!
Awesome video! Can't believe the 3.0XC kept up to the 4.0XC.
Thanks! Yeah I was also surprised the 3XC kept up with the 4.0XC.
Thanks for the support!!
Wow. The new logic definitely takes advantage of the higher amp batteries. Excellent testing, as usual.
Yep defiantly takes advantage of the stronger batteries. Thanks!
Beautiful! So happy to see this sort of data. It’s sorely missing from the power tool world.
One thing I’d like to see, and will be part of my TH-cam channel if I ever get around to doing one, is what the behavior is like with two bar or one bar left.
For me, an amateur user who doesn’t work long days with my tools, performance with a fully charged battery is useful. But for someone who is working all day long installing deck screws…most of their day will be spent with the battery well under 100%.
(My first scene is going to be someone removing a lug nut from a car wheel. When they remove the lug nut they’ll toss the battery to their assistant who will throw back a new fully charged battery, for the second lug nut…repeat. :)
Thanks!
Thats a very good point, it would be interesting to see the performance difference from fully charged vs one bar.
I've gotta get one of those 5.0 High Output batteries. I think it would make my Milwaukee Stubby feel like it was on a sugar rush. Thanks for the excellent test. I think you have the best drill dyno on the web at the moment.
Yep it looks like it boosts performance!
I ordered a tester for impacts 3 months ago, hopefully I see it soon.
Hoping to run the same test and see.
No Problem!
@@Tools-Tested Outstanding. Looking forward to your impact tests. I like your Sergeant Friday, "just the facts" style with results that I can pause and study. Well done.
@@fitch8363 Yep Im trying to keep straight and to the point. Thanks!
GREAT test! This shows exactly what’s going on; the Gen3 makes similar torque on many of the batteries, BUT the higher output batteries allow it to make that torque at higher speeds, meaning more power.
In practice this means the max size of the fastener it can drive is about the same, it will just do it faster with the higher output batteries. Nicely done!!!
Thanks! Yep exactly now we can rank drills by power. I cant wait to add more drills to the list!
I have both. The torque of the gen 3 in real world testing is absolutely higher. The gen 2 struggles with a 1" spade in pine...The gen 3 eats through.
Nice breakdown Thanks!
No problem! Glad it was helpful!
Super clear presentation 👌
Thanks!
Pretty good improvement--25-50% depending on what you're looking at. I'd previously thought the main improvement was in hammer/concrete drilling but looks like it's improved everywhere. The 2504 was never really known for being that great a compact drill v. the competition. I have one and it's still a very competent tool for most "regular people" uses but just from all the comparo tests I've seen previously it was more towards the bottom. The 3504 seems like it would be much more competitive in-segment. I won't be "upgrading" as I have other more powerful drills when needed, but nice to know the new gen is actually a substantial improvement.
Yep defiantly over the 2504, its nice to see a decent gain. I would like to test the hammer function at some point, I'm working on a tester for that.
Yeah the 2504 has plenty of power for most people, its actually crazy now how much these 12v drills have. Might have to pull the old 18v dewalt out and see how it compares.
Another great video, I look forward to seeing you test all the drills. It's cool to see the performance bump of the CP HO battery. I own this kit and thought the HO was better but also thought I might have been lying to myself lol.
Thanks! Yeah it will be interesting to see how the others will stack up. Lol it appears you were correct.
Great stuff! Can you show dyno graphs plotted with torque as your x-axis. Then you can also overlay graphs of different tools or batteries and better see the differences.
Thanks! Im currently working on an overlay moving graph but haven't decided if I want to use apple Keynote or another program.
I can pull the data in excel format just need to figure out how I want to display it.
i like ur detail grapic for compare. thx ur test.
Thanks! No problem!
Awesome video!! 10/10
Thanks!
Gen 3 is worth it because they took the soft start off of the torque limiter setting. With Gen 2 I have to put it on drill mode to get instant go.
Good point, thanks for the info.
Thanks
No problem!
my own M12 compact hammer drill is different.
mine is from the australian market, it has a gen2 body with a gen3 chuck.
50% gain. Wow. My gen 2 is still great for small jobs
Why didn't the torque readings come close to what Milwaukee claims ? ( 350/400 in pounds old/new) ??
My understanding is they rate them as a hard torque vs I test soft torque. Hard torque is a good metric for impacts, but not so much with drills IMO I like my wrist.
Useful👍
Glad to hear that!
Would been cool if you but there specs together at the same time. Curious about the gen 2 higher rpm for what I need it for I don't need high rpm under load
Yeah I have been trying to find a program that would allow side by side active graphing but haven’t had much luck.
Would like a graph setup similar to TTC torque wrench ones.
4.0 best bang for buck
Yep
For me, the third generation one is rubbish, it gets too hot and it is very uncomfortable to have such a hot tool in your hand for continuous work, it is more for crafts or
Yeah I did notice a lot more heat with the gen3…