Dave King: Improving Your Improv On The Drums

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    Improvising is to create and perform spontaneously. It can be one of the biggest pain points for many drummers. If you add a layer of intention and of musicality over it, improvising becomes a totally different beast and an extremely demanding discipline.
    Dave King will cover how to get started, perform and break down his own improvisational pieces, and discuss your mental and physical approach to orchestrating on the drum kit.
    Lesson Index:
    0:00 - Improv. 1
    2:20 - Introduction
    5:00 - How do you teach someone to improvise?
    7:12 - Where should you start?
    9:34 - Improv. 2
    20:37 - How to get started
    23:14 - Improv. 3
    36:20 - Is the drum kit fully explored?
    48:06 - Closing thoughts
    51:13 - Improv. 4
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    About Dave:
    Dave King is a renowned jazz drummer who is best known for his creative playing in The Bad Plus and the Dave King Trucking Company. With over 50 album recordings under his belt, and having performed in 75 countries over six continents, Dave is the quintessential modern, gigging, jazz drummer. Alongside the great level of success he found with The Bad Plus and the Dave King Trucking Company, Dave co-founded the bands Happy Apple, Love-Cars, and Halloween, Alaska. As a sideman, great musicians like Bill Frisell, Joshua Redman, Dewey Redman, Jeff Beck, Tim Berne, Hank Roberts, Chris Speed, Kurt Rosenwinkle, Django Bates, and Chris Morrissey are just some of the few he has played/recorded with over the years.

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  • @simonpchapman
    @simonpchapman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Dave is one of those rare drummers who can articulate clearly how they think about what they play. There are plenty of very fine educators who can teach you how to play, but far fewer who let you in on their own thinking. Nice work putting this out there, Drumeo. And Dave. Obviously.

  • @rundown306
    @rundown306 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Maybe Kenny Washington, Ralph Peterson, Lewis Nash, Bill Stewart, Brian Blade, Ali Jackson, Ari Hoenig, Rodney Green next please?

  • @cooperw839
    @cooperw839 5 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    ...and that's how you get the gig.

  • @jimkowalczyk7466
    @jimkowalczyk7466 5 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Really disappointed dave didn’t go into detail about his warming down techniques

  • @richardgonzalez2698
    @richardgonzalez2698 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Nice to hear a kit on here that isn’t dampened to the point of sounding like cardboard boxes

    • @igon388
      @igon388 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is not that it is dampened in most of the recordings, it is simply the nature of the mics used to record. Sometimes they will start talking after a performance and you can hear the drums bleed through, from that you can hear that they aren't dampened. I learned recently that to get a fuller sound out of a drum kit, in a master, they will compress the track and this will increase the sustain. I could also be totally wrong, this is just my assumptions

    • @richardgonzalez2698
      @richardgonzalez2698 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hunter Craig you’re definitely right about the compression! Lots of people do it. But you can also literally see in a lot of their videos how much moon gel they put on and I’ve even seen them playing bass drums that haven’t even been tensioned properly 🤦‍♂️. I’m not a big fan of compression either but I’m sure that’s a big part of why I usually hate their drum sound.

  • @gdserpongjazz1156
    @gdserpongjazz1156 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    to Drumeo : Bill Stewart please...... He's a modern jazz legend!

  • @MRSFUNlulu
    @MRSFUNlulu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Dave King is as eloquent with words as he is with drums! #GENIUS

  • @sajofunk
    @sajofunk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    My favorite drumeo lesson, I’m glad that you uploaded again, I was searching it and couldn’t find it, this is pure gold!

  • @dbkdrummer
    @dbkdrummer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This man is my hero..... He is who I want to be when I grow up! Not only do I love his playing but also his sense of humor. Living in Minnesota he is an artist I will alway go and see no matter who he is playing with. Having seen The Bad Plus, Happy Apple and Halloween-Alaska, he is a sensitive beast on the kit And delivers this awkward tension fueled stand up routine, it's just amazing! I also love his jazz show (Kings Speech) the banter between Joe Johnson and himself is just as entertaining as the music they present. Thank you drumeo for bringing in my favorite drummer. Great lesson with a great human being.

    • @JarickL
      @JarickL 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dave was a massive influence on me growing up. I first saw him in ~ 98 with Love-Cars opening up for Death Cab for Cutie at a hole in the wall coffee shop. Got to meet and talk with him a couple times and he's just a really nice dude. I wasn't a jazz drummer but his creative approach to the alt-rock/indie group was mind blowing. It's been great to see him getting more recognition over the last decade.

  • @michaelreedy350
    @michaelreedy350 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Two things of note: 1) My Bass playing friends dig his video explaining how to maintain a close relationship with the bassist. 2) Am loving my Dave King Signature Drum Stool. Dave, man of great wisdom!

  • @JeffRandallDrumming
    @JeffRandallDrumming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I needed this lesson, thanks guys!

  • @music1900jbp
    @music1900jbp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    An imaginative drummer, DK is a magician behind the traps with a unique time, rhythmic signature. Its funky, Jazzy and rockish.

  • @raspberrycrusader
    @raspberrycrusader 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a fascinating and insightful lesson. It’s midnight here in the UK and I have been transfixed by this guy. As someone who has just taken up the drums again after a 24 year hiatus, and who only has practice pads currently, I was beginning to think a mesh head electronic kit would serve me best since it would allow for near-silent playing and give me hundreds of sounds to experiment with. Now, have seen this, I have been reminded of the enjoyment I got from the wider field of percussion and the joy in simply trying to make different sounds.
    All those subtle nuances of timbre and volume would be impossible to explore on anything other than an acoustic kit and, since I want to make sounds and not just a beat, an actual drum provides ample materials and surfaces for the player to experiment with. I am so glad I watched this! Thanks drumeo for making this available to non-subscribers 😀

  • @kimweemhoff8066
    @kimweemhoff8066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I interviewed Dave for Dutch drummagazine Slagwerkkrant when they played in the Bimhuis in Amsterdam. Very nice and funny authentic & creative artist .
    I saw 4 the Bad Plus shows and they were very very good every damn time.
    Very high level and very entertainning at the same time . Reid Anderson’s ballads move me to tears and Dave’s humor makes me burst out in laughter.
    Love m!

  • @coltoncookie3369
    @coltoncookie3369 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So cool for Drumeo to bring somebody like Dave King on. From a fellow Minnesotan, you are such a dope drummer!

  • @YiannisIliakis
    @YiannisIliakis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    And I think the time has come to call the one and only Jim Black in Drumeo...

    • @hombreenojado
      @hombreenojado 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dave introduced me to Jim Black via Rational Funk. Made the mistake of downloading Houseplant. Lol.

  • @CliffConway
    @CliffConway 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I miss Rational Funk!

    • @keithklassen5320
      @keithklassen5320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not anymore you don't!

    • @CliffConway
      @CliffConway 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Keith Klassen exactly 😆 glad it’s back

  • @Butt_naked_drummer
    @Butt_naked_drummer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yooo Dave King is the man. Like fareal fareal. One of the best drumeos imo

  • @devinthegreig
    @devinthegreig 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dave’s the man! Awesome lesson

  • @CraigCoggle
    @CraigCoggle 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the challenge for all of us to explore 'contributions to the artwork of drumming'. Great interview!

  • @pesto9
    @pesto9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    EXCELLENT lesson. Soooo much valuable information here.

  • @adityatyagi4009
    @adityatyagi4009 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw Dave King at a clinic at the Ellis Drum Shop in St. Paul, MN years ago and didn't quite understand what he was doing back then. But it made an impression on me and now that I see this lesson, I "get" what he's going for because I try to do some of that in my own drumming. Antonio Sanchez also takes this approach to improvising as well when he gets really abstract. Would love to see him on explaining how he approaches the drums. Good stuff!

  • @skiphoffenflaven8004
    @skiphoffenflaven8004 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Time choir” -- awesome!

  • @bullfunkstudios3856
    @bullfunkstudios3856 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Dave King, and this is the school of thought I truly subscribe to as an artist. Thanks guys for this awesome video!

  • @tortoiseboxing1792
    @tortoiseboxing1792 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Dave! I needed this in my life 😎😎😎

  • @SoggyBagelz
    @SoggyBagelz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    thissssss is what we need

  • @Benfreidkin22
    @Benfreidkin22 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dave is the King

  • @BoomerMusicCompany
    @BoomerMusicCompany ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DAVE! I just met him a couple of days ago when the Bad Plus came through. Great show! Love the new 4 piece The Bad Plus. His technique is so goofy but it works for him and he sounds great doing it.

  • @MaxGebhardt
    @MaxGebhardt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such a musical, intelligent person!

  • @lyamsharpe1040
    @lyamsharpe1040 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing Lesson!

  • @pabloordas3775
    @pabloordas3775 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mid-western humility, which is also passive/aggressive. 😱 Genius!

  • @bitriplex
    @bitriplex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    His work on the last Julian Lage's Jazz trio is perfect.

  • @allenamishra8023
    @allenamishra8023 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just started watching your video and i think it'd be an amazing and interesting video😊

  • @SpiralstaticXX
    @SpiralstaticXX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    First! Feelsgoodman.
    Please get Richard Spaven or Chris Dave on! Thanks so much for your great content.

    • @benyobaranyi6731
      @benyobaranyi6731 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Auxiliary Band One day they definitely should get Chris Dave. He is the most revolutionary drummer now on the plannet. Having him for a lesson would be a historical event in drumming.

  • @cainmunns231
    @cainmunns231 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Muchos Gracias Dave Drumeo!

  • @3MFDS
    @3MFDS 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was so great, seriously.

  • @nybcbuildingmanager6770
    @nybcbuildingmanager6770 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes!!! Get some more jazz guys here on Drumeo please!!!

  • @mikuspalmis
    @mikuspalmis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just watched Dave for the first time in Rational Funk the day I'm writing this after randomly finding a video of the show in a search, and I thought he was a bit strange from the one episode I watched yet pretty funny. But after watching his Drumeo appearance, being the second time I've seen him, I think he's one of the coolest drummers, artists, and people.
    I especially agree with and relate to what he's saying regarding exploring, developing, and contributing your own personal artistic expression. I've thought that for a long time.

  • @mightymrmousempls
    @mightymrmousempls 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    true master of the art and one of the legends in my book. he's the nicest cat you could ever meet too

  • @climbjay
    @climbjay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a great guy. Rational funk is hilarious. Damn, takes me back a few years.

  • @9monava
    @9monava 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    masterful and filled with heart -- love this!

  • @UlfTv
    @UlfTv 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great episode!!!

  • @hombreenojado
    @hombreenojado 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Highly recommend Dave's work on Chris Speed Trio and Happy Apple. It feels like he's playing from a different place. Truly incredible!

  • @potterbat3995
    @potterbat3995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh my god... Dave King did a Drumeo?! Dave, you got the gig buddy. I was hoping you had the antlers though..

  • @lukerobinson2224
    @lukerobinson2224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    keep expecting Dave to turn to the camera and say 'Right Joe?' haha

  • @pjdahmen
    @pjdahmen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tutorial

  • @kelleesmi
    @kelleesmi 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave King is fucking prolific! He always has something interesting to say that can help any musician. That and he makes pretty music. Thanks for having him Drumeo! :)

  • @antonpetrenko1687
    @antonpetrenko1687 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Please invite Nate Wood!

  • @MetaGuinea
    @MetaGuinea 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great Dave King Multi- dimensional

  • @StachelyPigglyBottom
    @StachelyPigglyBottom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dave is so incredibly well spoken.

  • @spooooooooooky
    @spooooooooooky 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy Dave. Love it. Outside of the f## box!!

  • @simiojazztrio2248
    @simiojazztrio2248 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saw him 3 days ago at Tivoli in Utrecht, NL with the Bad Plus. Spoke to him and made a little video about rational funk #thatshowyougetthegig. Love this guy man, funny as ever but when playing music, creating, dead serious. - Tim

  • @babyjesuslovesme1219
    @babyjesuslovesme1219 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome

  • @dyllanpringle4493
    @dyllanpringle4493 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know the brand of shoes he’s wearing?

  • @mattsnyder1629
    @mattsnyder1629 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys should have George Daniel from the 1975 play on drumeo! He really is great at incorporating electronics and production aspects into his drumming.

  • @wolowolowolo
    @wolowolowolo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great player!

  • @murep
    @murep ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone tell me if these are , yam absolute hybrid maple kit? What size bd? 20?

  • @J0intV3nture
    @J0intV3nture 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Just remember kids, THAT'S how you get the gig!

  • @coreyecklund9245
    @coreyecklund9245 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super Dave!!!

  • @janpaw73
    @janpaw73 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great lesson - thx! My favorite drummer, at last at Drumeo :)

  • @eliasappenzeller785
    @eliasappenzeller785 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I watch this at least twice a year. Creative Lolz to pull you out of your creative lulls.

  • @udomatthiasdrums5322
    @udomatthiasdrums5322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    still love it!!

  • @timothy2204
    @timothy2204 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Met him once. Got a clip and instructions on how to get the gig. Cool dude. Funky fellow

  • @murep
    @murep ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, those drums are gorgeous sound

  • @Marleyaagaard
    @Marleyaagaard 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    YES!!!!

  • @MattLeGroulx
    @MattLeGroulx หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dave's the fucking BEST.

  • @leonscheffler
    @leonscheffler 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And that's how you get the gig!

  • @SAHBfan
    @SAHBfan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It wasn't until I got near to the end of this video that I realised... He talks a free stream of flowing, loosely connected, experimental, unusual ideas, some of which are pretty off the map. I mean, he plays the same as he talks! What I take from this, is that he plays the way he does because of the way his brain is wired up. Not sure I could learn this. (Maybe drugs might help?)

  • @jerryfehilymusic476
    @jerryfehilymusic476 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing drummer! (musician.)Funny and very interesting. Brave is also a comment I agree with.

  • @OleksiiTheAngry
    @OleksiiTheAngry 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    how inspiring is dat? dat's ROYAL inspiring!

  • @danielperasso9163
    @danielperasso9163 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I wrong or does he have an influence on Bill Stewart, mainly in how he works on the left hand ...

  • @alsergel5155
    @alsergel5155 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave King for president.

  • @skyreadersociety6183
    @skyreadersociety6183 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeeeesssss! Rational Funk is back! But besides all the jokes and poking fun I very rarely heard such a musical, brave and pleasant improv on drums like the one that started @23:20

    • @SAHBfan
      @SAHBfan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      skyreader society - nah.... Not a patch on the one started at 52.17 😜

    • @skyreadersociety6183
      @skyreadersociety6183 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SAHBfan honestly, it takes a bit of courage when you are doing your solo like that, whilst everyone else was just on with the most flashy chops. But as a last resort - you can always sing into your floor tom 😜 😜

    • @SAHBfan
      @SAHBfan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skyreadersociety6183 - I haven't tried singing into the floor Tom, yet (I can't sing...) but I've tried some of his other ideas. I did the 'pretend to play the floor Tom but play it so quietly no one can hear it' technique. This is absolutely brilliant - people's ears are *on stalks* - amazing :)

  • @metapod666
    @metapod666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any tips on keeping count while improvising like this?

    • @jordonwiersema2807
      @jordonwiersema2807 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Start slow, use easier rhythmic parameters. For example, he talks about playing only eighth notes while playing in 7. Like anything, move from easier to more difficult, whatever that means to you. In 4, you can probably keep count while playing whole notes.

  • @ypolchenko-freejazz-guitar
    @ypolchenko-freejazz-guitar 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave is incredubly tasteful performer

  • @yuyu8267
    @yuyu8267 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's that thing on the snare?

    • @dextrodemon
      @dextrodemon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      chajchas they're called

  • @CampbellYoungblood
    @CampbellYoungblood ปีที่แล้ว

    I missed that Dave came to drumeo somehow, but he is just what drumeo needs. Seeing the commenters who missed the point confirms that. Also met Dave when I worked at the vanguard (7-8 yrs ago) and TBP came through. I think I made some corny reference to rational funk, he was super gracious, quick witted dude. Had a bit of that midwestern humility though 😅(jk)

  • @Nuxunumo
    @Nuxunumo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For those of you who miss Rational Funk look up the radio show that he does with Joe, King's Speech.
    It's basically the same vibe as RF but they listen to killer records. It's all archived!

    • @HobbeForApples
      @HobbeForApples 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honest?

    • @Shaftopia
      @Shaftopia 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's still there!

  • @elithepitbulldog2209
    @elithepitbulldog2209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dave does more than just play the drums, he tells a story...

  • @davidezecchi450
    @davidezecchi450 ปีที่แล้ว

    SIMPLY KING 🎉😎👍

  • @keithcrupi9572
    @keithcrupi9572 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    All the unswept places! : ))

  • @theillestdrummer7822
    @theillestdrummer7822 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the Black metal looking instrument he plays to his left?

  • @sebasmontreux
    @sebasmontreux 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Gummy vitamins are not candy, kids.

  • @alusraah
    @alusraah 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are those cycling tan lines on Dave's hands?

  • @elliotgwynne3890
    @elliotgwynne3890 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Feel the pulse!

    • @elliotgwynne3890
      @elliotgwynne3890 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I agree the sushi is better when the fish have fewer miles.... i.e. Near the ocean vs in Minneapolis.

  • @adamloris
    @adamloris 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    please get Dave back on. I want to hear him doing a 'hears X for the first time' so baaaad

  • @CliffConway
    @CliffConway 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great sounding solo/drums

  • @Jack458111
    @Jack458111 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make sure you watch his rational funk episode about military drumming. Mind blowing stuff

  • @chrisconstancio5644
    @chrisconstancio5644 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    FUCK yes The KING is on the throne

  • @cliffbacken
    @cliffbacken ปีที่แล้ว

    Great guy… interesting drummer… kind of structured free form jazz … I grew up in NYC playing and listening and seeing Tony Williams.. Paul Motion… Billy Higgins…I like more conservative playing… in contemporary music Lenny White .. Vinnie Colaiuta…
    But I kinda get it… he’s original.!! That’s for sure… and Like his explanation of the tempo’s… and placement…
    He states his connect with Ed Blackwell..
    I hear and see it…!

  • @markomarkovic5729
    @markomarkovic5729 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    When you're gonna call Jojo Mayer?

    • @user-zn3tu6lg2k
      @user-zn3tu6lg2k 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Jojo mayer lesson title:
      Literally everything about drumming

    • @eternallyminded7
      @eternallyminded7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's a good idear!

    • @wadsmitter511
      @wadsmitter511 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eternallyminded7 Nice!

  • @ARGCDG
    @ARGCDG 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That sounds like my Japanese kit from the 1960’s! Uggggggh

  • @MrUrech
    @MrUrech 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you made a bobble head of this guy itd just be a model

  • @00_JK_00
    @00_JK_00 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm feeling some serious Lenny White in Dave's style....

  • @010aray
    @010aray 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave and Stanton have 100% sold me on those Kerope hi-hats. Now, who at Drumeo wants to give me a set or give me the $550 to buy them? *Looks at Jared*

  • @TheStudioDrummer
    @TheStudioDrummer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you seen this guy in the kitchen? Legendary.

  • @drumken
    @drumken 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Bad Plus!!!!

  • @timothy2204
    @timothy2204 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy does a killer solo and people re happy and applaud and he just says “okay” 😂

    • @brianpalay
      @brianpalay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's Minnesota for you. Modest.

  • @hydrogencarbonate7944
    @hydrogencarbonate7944 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I WAS JUST WATCHING RATIONAL FUNK AGAIN THEN CHECKED MY SUB BOX

  • @sumanenterprises1029
    @sumanenterprises1029 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Second!! Want Sir Sivamani!!!