Certain portions of the video had to be blurred for copyright reasons I have returned from Japan with many scripts written and a video explaining what so frustrating about Netflix's version of Evangelion
"I'm so fucked up" is better for a dub precisely because of how that word carries weight to an english speaker. "I am the lowest of the low" sounds very much like a direct japanese to English translation and in this case doesn't carry the same weight as what an english speaker would naturally expect to say to convey the feeling that follows an action like this. There are some instances in dub where I think you should prioritize the emotional context or gravity of a sentence over one to one accuracy. It's the feeling that matters here.
I'm sat here a Dub fan listening to a reaction of the Netflix version and the instant Shinji said that it destroyed everything for me, because Spike Spencer did a freaking phenomenal job in EoE, that line read of him I remember listening to DVD commentaries where they had to fight ADV to both keep the scene in and keep the line read in because it's important to the story and the character of Shinji, for them to take that out in abhorrent then I hear "the spear of Lon-Jine-Us" and it's like glass in my freaking brain at how bad it is. It's a LATIN word and it's said perfectly fine in the OG Dub "Lon-gin-us" is appropriate in English. I'm terrified of listening to more as it's only going to get worse from here I feel.
And then "May- Jai" for Magi computers. That's not just a few slip ups that's a consistent level of bad in less than a half hour. for context for any who come across this comment, Magi is pronounced "Mah- Jai." as it's another Latin word which is said like "Ma-Gee" the reason we add a "ai" to the end is because of the combination of the "Mah" sound at the start and the "Gee" of G being cut off by the "Eye" of "I" it combined turns "Gee" in Latin to "Geh-Eye" or "Jai" when said in a flowing tone "Mah-Jai" How they got "MAY" in there where there's no Y to add the Mah with "Ay' is beyond me other than frank incompetence
@@UncensoredScionIt's incredibly inconsistent with Seele too. The only inconsistency in the OG dub was calling the instrumentality project the "Human improvement project" in the first episode.
Aight I know I may be late to this but here's my two cents.... Evangelion to me is the best anime to ever be created, I watched the series and end of evangelion when I was a teen, and I thought the sub AND dub was fine, never really was perfect but it got by. That being said I honestly liked Netflixs dub, head me out... None of the acting in the sub was bad, it was pretty well done (maybe shinjis VA could use some work). But I also wasn t, to me the sub was lackluster in the fact they all sounded the same. I'm not too offended by the change of dialogue either, my boy Kawarou did get his lines stolen yes but who really cares, we all know it's there in our hearts. I was honestly shocked that they put End of Eva on their platform with how batshit crazy it gets
As a gay man seeing these changes hurt. There relationship is pretty canonically romantic from my understanding if you take into consideration the manga and promotional collaborations. (For example: They had a collaboration with a wedding ring company and Shinji and Kaworu were the two characters they picked) These character relationships mean a lot to queer folks because in anime we are not represented the best a lot of the time. It’s gotten MUCH better as time has gone on but for the time this was pretty amazing to see. But too see what was a pretty progressive thing for the time be altered so heavily by Netflix of all people is pretty ironic and goes to show that you can have two male characters make out and there would still be people who say “well they weren’t actually gay”
To clarify before someone tries to preach to me: I know it being a gay romance means nothing and yada yada yada but I’m giving my opinion as a gay person and my take on the removal. The video outlines the affects of the story already, I just want to give my perspective from a social aspect. Also amazing video that really hits the nail on the head on why the “I love you” was so important to begin with.
kaworu was mostly manipulating and playing with shinji's feelings throughout the whole episode, so he didn't really mean the "i love you". but the original japanese line actually translates to "i like you", not "i love you", so technically netflix was in the right with it's translation (plus it makes more sense as shinji and kaworu only knew eachother for a couple of days so they couldn't really "love" eachother in that short of a time)
Start off by saying that I saw it in bits and pieces as a kid and never the whole thing so I feel like I’m seeing it for the first time aside from the first episode or two. Personally I liked lowest of the low more than fucked up but I think you had a great explanation for why the original was great. Agree 100% on the Kaworu:Shinji interactions though, but you can’t miss the subtext when watching the episode.
It's a pitty you guys have to go through that , but if it serves of any consolation in Brazil we got a dub that respects the original Japanese text so Kaworu's words are like SIGINIFICA QUE EU TE AMO , I love Brazilian dubbers ❤
I'm a little late here sorry but I really enjoyed your video it was very good at your voice is very pleasing to hear and I wanted to just say that the German dub of the Netflix version also kinda did this however it had a better way of handling it and translating it to I feel very connected to you that means I like you The word love maybe wasn't used here either but i do think they handled this a tiny bit better than the English dub just thought this might be intresting .have a nice day and thanks for this video
It really isn’t and there really isn’t any real controversy. All it is are nostalgic fanboys complaining, as much as I like the original dub it’s early episodes are very cringe worthy And this video is filled with misinformation. Netflix had NOTHING to do with the new dub or subtitles, it is all the work of The Japanese rights holder Studio Khara. All Netflix was in this situation was a middle man to distribute it worldwide
I'm srry but I think your bullshiting right now my dude nobody is nitpicking about it at all there plenty of reasons why this verison is completely mid which i doubt you"ve payed attention why he didn't like this version that much
I watched it on go go anime for the first time and loved it. The dub was AMAZING!!! But i didn't know that the dub was the one from netflix. It's still better than the original dub.
And then Amazon purchased the rights to the Rebuild movies and had to redub those as well. I may be in the minority, but even though I was watching the original series before it was even completely released on VHS over here in the states, when the rebuild movies came out, it took a tiny bit for me to get used to the different casting. Eventually, I really started to like the new voice actress for Rei. Listening to the new dub now of the first two movies with Amanda Win Lee back in the role was a bit jarring for me, to say the least.
Not aishiteru, not I love you. Same evangelion. And since the last angel only appeared for such a short time, I don't see any difference, i think the new translation its way more accurate with the context.
Debatable, seeing as the phrase can be used in both senses and Japanese is much more linguistically nuanced than English so it’s not a black and white issue. Given other conversations between the two love makes the most sense, as well as the narrative reasons I outlined in the vid
@@Schloetz >Japanese is much more linguistically nuanced than English It's a bit silly to pretend that "I like you" doesn't have romantic nuance in English too.
@@Schloetz I think there's still a case for "I love you" being used instead, even if I don't personally take that stance, but it's frustrating that there are other more objective issues with Netflix's handling of Eva (e.g. in this video) yet the translation done by somebody who knows the language better than they do is what everybody fixates on.
@@MichaelMcCallister097it’s a more accurate translation though, the old sub and dub line was a very innacurate translation. I still prefer the ADV dub and subs but that line is a bad one
The english dub couldn't be more irrelevant. If you want to watch something authentic, then censoring the audio like that is already betraying that sentiment.
The Netflix version was the first time I'd seen Eva. I enjoyed it but I definitely think it would have been better without the changes. Ironically since I grew up in a homophobic community I probably wouldn't have liked it if I had watched it when it first came out.
I think the lowest of the low is more mature sounding than I'm so 🤬 up!You don't have to cuss to get your point across that's what a childish person does.
What Shinji does is an incredibly visceral act and so it’s much more tonally consistent to follow it with a visceral statement. As to your second point, Shinji quite literally is childish. He’s 14, so you’d expect him to talk immaturely
People like you make me sick. You are so lacking in taste and perspective that you actively seek to blandify anything and everything because swearing offends you. You're a shit stain on art and, by extension, humanity. Go turn your brain off, sit in your happy playtime bubble with the rest of the puppets, and watch your awful, safe superhero movies.
@@RichterTheRat You know nothing about me I know Art when I see it and the original is just better in my opinion and nothing you said makes me wrong but you did prove my point about how children act when someone doesn't agree with them and you clearly have no taste with a Jo Jo like Profile name so you can't tell me what's awful 😂 by the way I cuss all the fucking time but it's still not necessary to do so!
Bro just nitpicking the new voice actors are way better imo the lowest of low change and fucked up doesn't matter bro and the love to like doesn't matter you already know that they're gay for eachother they slept together and had gay sex and naked showers together feel like your just blinded from nostalgia from the old sub/dub
All of this is nitpicking,this is great but not that great to where any of this even matters is not like the Funimation dub of DBZ compared to Kai!Now that is night and day.
I'm tired of people trashing dub's.Some dub's are better than the sub's and sub only watcher's are really missing out if they don't watch both.I'm not really talking about this show though.The Japanese is better in both cases,just in general.
So am I the only one who finds it ironic that in this day and age where homosexuality is ramned into everything they decide to cut it out of evangelion?
@@JayAreAitch That really doesn't mean anything. Netflix had the final say. Also, the original translation was specifically approved by Anno. They didn't need to hire someone to re-translate it.
I like the new misato voice
Agreed, it’s way better than atv dub, where misato sounds like a drunk 14 year old
"I'm so fucked up" is better for a dub precisely because of how that word carries weight to an english speaker. "I am the lowest of the low" sounds very much like a direct japanese to English translation and in this case doesn't carry the same weight as what an english speaker would naturally expect to say to convey the feeling that follows an action like this. There are some instances in dub where I think you should prioritize the emotional context or gravity of a sentence over one to one accuracy. It's the feeling that matters here.
Netflix: removes gay in Evangeline
Also Netflix: Makes the gayest original ever
(I'm serious, they made a whole show about gay people).
That scene was never meant to be gay to begin with!
@@amadorcortinas2749 ... it was?? they way Kaworu and Shinji act around one another should be PRETTY obvious that it was supposed to be gay.
I'm sat here a Dub fan listening to a reaction of the Netflix version and the instant Shinji said that it destroyed everything for me, because Spike Spencer did a freaking phenomenal job in EoE, that line read of him I remember listening to DVD commentaries where they had to fight ADV to both keep the scene in and keep the line read in because it's important to the story and the character of Shinji, for them to take that out in abhorrent
then I hear "the spear of Lon-Jine-Us" and it's like glass in my freaking brain at how bad it is. It's a LATIN word and it's said perfectly fine in the OG Dub "Lon-gin-us" is appropriate in English.
I'm terrified of listening to more as it's only going to get worse from here I feel.
And then "May- Jai" for Magi computers.
That's not just a few slip ups that's a consistent level of bad in less than a half hour.
for context for any who come across this comment, Magi is pronounced "Mah- Jai." as it's another Latin word which is said like "Ma-Gee"
the reason we add a "ai" to the end is because of the combination of the "Mah" sound at the start and the "Gee" of G being cut off by the "Eye" of "I" it combined turns "Gee" in Latin to "Geh-Eye" or "Jai" when said in a flowing tone "Mah-Jai"
How they got "MAY" in there where there's no Y to add the Mah with "Ay' is beyond me other than frank incompetence
@@UncensoredScionIt's incredibly inconsistent with Seele too. The only inconsistency in the OG dub was calling the instrumentality project the "Human improvement project" in the first episode.
i love the netflix dub, especially shinji and misato, i think casey and carrie did an amazing job
Real
Do not let this man cook again, he burned down the kitchen
Hollywood and MCU: "Every line matters!" Netflix: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that!"
Aight I know I may be late to this but here's my two cents.... Evangelion to me is the best anime to ever be created, I watched the series and end of evangelion when I was a teen, and I thought the sub AND dub was fine, never really was perfect but it got by. That being said I honestly liked Netflixs dub, head me out... None of the acting in the sub was bad, it was pretty well done (maybe shinjis VA could use some work). But I also wasn t, to me the sub was lackluster in the fact they all sounded the same. I'm not too offended by the change of dialogue either, my boy Kawarou did get his lines stolen yes but who really cares, we all know it's there in our hearts. I was honestly shocked that they put End of Eva on their platform with how batshit crazy it gets
As a gay man seeing these changes hurt. There relationship is pretty canonically romantic from my understanding if you take into consideration the manga and promotional collaborations. (For example: They had a collaboration with a wedding ring company and Shinji and Kaworu were the two characters they picked) These character relationships mean a lot to queer folks because in anime we are not represented the best a lot of the time. It’s gotten MUCH better as time has gone on but for the time this was pretty amazing to see. But too see what was a pretty progressive thing for the time be altered so heavily by Netflix of all people is pretty ironic and goes to show that you can have two male characters make out and there would still be people who say “well they weren’t actually gay”
To clarify before someone tries to preach to me: I know it being a gay romance means nothing and yada yada yada but I’m giving my opinion as a gay person and my take on the removal. The video outlines the affects of the story already, I just want to give my perspective from a social aspect.
Also amazing video that really hits the nail on the head on why the “I love you” was so important to begin with.
kaworu was mostly manipulating and playing with shinji's feelings throughout the whole episode, so he didn't really mean the "i love you". but the original japanese line actually translates to "i like you", not "i love you", so technically netflix was in the right with it's translation (plus it makes more sense as shinji and kaworu only knew eachother for a couple of days so they couldn't really "love" eachother in that short of a time)
Start off by saying that I saw it in bits and pieces as a kid and never the whole thing so I feel like I’m seeing it for the first time aside from the first episode or two. Personally I liked lowest of the low more than fucked up but I think you had a great explanation for why the original was great. Agree 100% on the Kaworu:Shinji interactions though, but you can’t miss the subtext when watching the episode.
Did they make ritsuko shoot gendo behore he shoots her?
Not only that, but they added some weird sequence where a cgi alien sings some awful song in the last episode. Very sad!
It's a pitty you guys have to go through that , but if it serves of any consolation in Brazil we got a dub that respects the original Japanese text so Kaworu's words are like SIGINIFICA QUE EU TE AMO , I love Brazilian dubbers ❤
technically, no, the original japanese line translates to "i like you", not "i love you"
Never let this guy cook again
Bro they didn't even get the Fly Me to the Moon rights. IDC how expensive it is. Don't half ass it
They could have just used the cover they used in squid game
i personally don't care that much about that one as i don't watch ending credits and usually skip to the next episode
Womp Womp 😂
I'm a little late here sorry but I really enjoyed your video it was very good at your voice is very pleasing to hear and I wanted to just say that the German dub of the Netflix version also kinda did this however it had a better way of handling it and translating it to
I feel very connected to you that means I like you
The word love maybe wasn't used here either but i do think they handled this a tiny bit better than the English dub just thought this might be intresting .have a nice day and thanks for this video
The Netflix version isn’t that bad as people make it out to be it’s just people being very nit picky
I feel exactly the same way. It may also be a nostalgia thing for some people
People like you who dismiss and defend the desecration of art should be drawn and quartered.
It really isn’t and there really isn’t any real controversy. All it is are nostalgic fanboys complaining, as much as I like the original dub it’s early episodes are very cringe worthy And this video is filled with misinformation. Netflix had NOTHING to do with the new dub or subtitles, it is all the work of The Japanese rights holder Studio Khara. All Netflix was in this situation was a middle man to distribute it worldwide
Your missing the point bruh its not really nostalgia at all pal there are more reasons why people didn't like it
I'm srry but I think your bullshiting right now my dude nobody is nitpicking about it at all there plenty of reasons why this verison is completely mid which i doubt you"ve payed attention why he didn't like this version that much
I watched it on go go anime for the first time and loved it. The dub was AMAZING!!! But i didn't know that the dub was the one from netflix. It's still better than the original dub.
Hell yeah it is
And then Amazon purchased the rights to the Rebuild movies and had to redub those as well.
I may be in the minority, but even though I was watching the original series before it was even completely released on VHS over here in the states, when the rebuild movies came out, it took a tiny bit for me to get used to the different casting. Eventually, I really started to like the new voice actress for Rei.
Listening to the new dub now of the first two movies with Amanda Win Lee back in the role was a bit jarring for me, to say the least.
Personally like the Netflix dub more. Gonna go give the actors some praise.
Real
so true
Not aishiteru, not I love you.
Same evangelion.
And since the last angel only appeared for such a short time, I don't see any difference, i think the new translation its way more accurate with the context.
Debatable, seeing as the phrase can be used in both senses and Japanese is much more linguistically nuanced than English so it’s not a black and white issue. Given other conversations between the two love makes the most sense, as well as the narrative reasons I outlined in the vid
@@Schloetz >Japanese is much more linguistically nuanced than English
It's a bit silly to pretend that "I like you" doesn't have romantic nuance in English too.
@@JayAreAitch You’re right, I was wrong on this one. Both have a bunch of nuance
@@Schloetz I think there's still a case for "I love you" being used instead, even if I don't personally take that stance, but it's frustrating that there are other more objective issues with Netflix's handling of Eva (e.g. in this video) yet the translation done by somebody who knows the language better than they do is what everybody fixates on.
I like “I’m the lowest of the low “
It just sounds less natural and raw than the original.
@@MichaelMcCallister097it’s a more accurate translation though, the old sub and dub line was a very innacurate translation. I still prefer the ADV dub and subs but that line is a bad one
@@majorasamtheo-door7007 yeah I know it’s more accurate now. I still prefer the other translation.
The english dub couldn't be more irrelevant.
If you want to watch something authentic, then censoring the audio like that is already betraying that sentiment.
The Netflix version was the first time I'd seen Eva. I enjoyed it but I definitely think it would have been better without the changes. Ironically since I grew up in a homophobic community I probably wouldn't have liked it if I had watched it when it first came out.
The main diversion that has always made me angry was the re-dubbed english voice acting.
The shittiest dubbing I have ever seen Netflix do.
Whatchu mean, Netflix dub us way better than atv dub
i personally loved it more than the adv dub but that's probably just me
I think the lowest of the low is more mature sounding than I'm so 🤬 up!You don't have to cuss to get your point across that's what a childish person does.
What Shinji does is an incredibly visceral act and so it’s much more tonally consistent to follow it with a visceral statement. As to your second point, Shinji quite literally is childish. He’s 14, so you’d expect him to talk immaturely
People like you make me sick. You are so lacking in taste and perspective that you actively seek to blandify anything and everything because swearing offends you. You're a shit stain on art and, by extension, humanity. Go turn your brain off, sit in your happy playtime bubble with the rest of the puppets, and watch your awful, safe superhero movies.
@@RichterTheRat You know nothing about me I know Art when I see it and the original is just better in my opinion and nothing you said makes me wrong but you did prove my point about how children act when someone doesn't agree with them and you clearly have no taste with a Jo Jo like Profile name so you can't tell me what's awful 😂 by the way I cuss all the fucking time but it's still not necessary to do so!
Bro just nitpicking the new voice actors are way better imo the lowest of low change and fucked up doesn't matter bro and the love to like doesn't matter you already know that they're gay for eachother they slept together and had gay sex and naked showers together feel like your just blinded from nostalgia from the old sub/dub
All of this is nitpicking,this is great but not that great to where any of this even matters is not like the Funimation dub of DBZ compared to Kai!Now that is night and day.
Ayo das gay
*vine boom sound effect*
I'm tired of people trashing dub's.Some dub's are better than the sub's and sub only watcher's are really missing out if they don't watch both.I'm not really talking about this show though.The Japanese is better in both cases,just in general.
Let's be honest none of these characters know what love is,this topic should not be discussed while watching this show, I'm glad they changed it!
Are you serious? The entire all-encompassing theme of Evangelion is love and relationships
@@Schloetz Diss functional relationships maybe but love? Sorry but their is little to no romance in this show just lust!
So am I the only one who finds it ironic that in this day and age where homosexuality is ramned into everything they decide to cut it out of evangelion?
Its because the retards at Netflix don't actually care about that like other companies they pretend to be inclusive
@@Waddlejpg This translation wasn't done by Netflix. It was done by Studio Khara, specifically by a Japanese person.
@@JayAreAitch That really doesn't mean anything. Netflix had the final say. Also, the original translation was specifically approved by Anno. They didn't need to hire someone to re-translate it.
Perfect thats what evangelion is the new netflis isn't my eva. Great vid.
Ay thanks for the support