Is Sentinels Deadlock Experiment NOT WORTH IT? | Sen vs G2 Analysis
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Sentinels when Duelists walk in :
Sentinels when:
Sentinels when it's 2:30 : "oh it's 2:30"
Layers to this one lmao
This entire video, all I see from JohnQT is uncomfortability playing Deadlock, it doesn't seem like he knows how to play her comfortably and is second guessing himself because of it.
They obviously scrimmed with him on deadlock and it worked out well. G2 just got the better of them
Yea he has like a few lineups for the wall and the net though which shows that he is well prepped for these scenarios but when the round breaks down he is basically just a blonde chick with a gun
@@user-nz9xu3ki4qscrim against bad team. Scrims should not be reliable of not against teams that can shoot back. It might work because their aim is good like with prx.
so, in my opinion deadlock is incredibly useful, and sentinels actually showed it in the past, just like fnatic did on ascent, but this whole series just felt bad.
I feel like they were just not into it, I still think viper is way better than deadlock on bind, but I can confidently say that she's busted on lotus.
What confused me the most is that the lotus meta is shifting towards using the cypher cam as the main jolly of the comp, like the whole team plays around the cam position and the infos, but sen just weren't doing anything about it, plus the deadlock utilities weren't being used as efficiently as they should be used, and cypher too wasn't doing well on attack especially, and I can tell it's not the comp, sen just had 2 rough maps, you could see it in Jordan's eyes too, they all seemed pretty stressed out. I'm sure we're gonna recover, at the end of the day jhon on deadlock is goated, lost a battle but not the war, still believe in them
Here’s the thing tho, you’re saying „it’s not the comp“ while the argument here isn’t exactly „is Deadlock worth to pick over Viper“ cause in THEORY, especially on Bind, you could pick either and do very good, but if the potential of the agents isn’t used (which is the whole argument here) it isn’t worth it and you should just play what you know you can play. Playing the Deadlock like they did in that series would be like playing Viper and only using the wall 1 time in a round, Viper wouldn’t be really good then. So it is in fact the comp that’s the issue, if Sentinels doesn’t know how to use it, why play it
@@ranghawastaken talking about bind, I completely agree with you, cuz they played the map a lot with their old comp and went just fine, even in the finals against geng, a few changes adding fade in for example would be good, but if the comp isn't what you're comfortable on, just don't pick it.
what I was referring to tho is Lotus, cuz they played incredibly well with deadlock and cypher, cuz the macro and the ideas were really good both in defense and attack (I'm telling you this cuz I used the comp in premier contender league and smashed people because it does so well against default lotus comps) the fact is tho, that they played really poorly on lotus, and I'm not talking only about the usage of the comp and abilities, I'm talking abou the full macro and John's calling on attack side, it was fot sure an off day, haven't seen jhon doing such bad calls in a while...
Sen trying to focus too much on agent comp instead of focusing on what matters. This is not league of legends or dota.
They didn’t need to innovate during their kickoff and madrid run. They just focus on aim, fundamentals and protocols.
@@Katniss0000Blud if you watched this video TMV is just saying their protocols were bad. And macro is what makes the pro play brotha.
@@enkhbadrakhmunkhkhand3892 mb just meant the agent comp.
they need to focus on their strengths instead of playing off meta or meta that they are not comfortable.
it is like forcing aspas to play cypher because we need to adapt to no duelist meta.
Funny how Sentinels struggle playing a sentinel
I am glad to see Deadlock be played more, and I think its less so agent choice but moreso lack of real practice with the agent (and what other agents synergize well with Deadlock). I know TMV brings up Viper a lot, but the games post-nerfs have shown that the Viper is not nearly as strong/needed as she used to be. I do hope Sen (and other teams) do keep experimenting and realize that they should not just be practicing for Deadlock but for other agents that work well with them (i.e maybe Skye/Gekko instead of Fade to retain info but also Raze combo potential).
SEN said they underperformed that day but that it wasn’t because of the comp. Plus, Valyn is great at plying to the weaknesses of the opposing comp.
My guess is that next time we see the comp it’ll be a lot more polished.
bro every team says that when they underperform
If deadlock is good other team would play it. But most of the best team just play a meta comp bc they know. I am also a Sen fan since the first master but i just don’t understand and I’ve been saying that viper is literally the best agent in the game, maybe not now but the pressure she puts everywhere on the map and the ability to stop enemy just make a lot of sense to play her in a lot of map still.
@@kelpie3271 ..that they're underperforming?
zellsis said that his headphone had problem so he couldn't hear anything (that quite explain why he didn't turn around when raze satchel
“Valyn is good at applying weaknesses” and good IGL (one at a pro level is a no brainer) should be FULLY capable of dismantling literally ANY defense side as long as the Emmy doesn’t have an info sentinel, which is why picks like deadlock and sage are kind of… not really the best idea. It’s just a dumb move my sentinels to be honest, they know G2 plays defaulty as well.
Like, what you’d do against a sage is you’d make them pop util then just rotate or fake a rotate or rehit after drawing rotates. Same with deadlock.
You nailed it with the analyses of Johnqt and the overall game plan. There was many times the Deadlock util was used poorly, or the overall strategy didn't compliment the strengths of Deadlock.
I think that they bind Comp could work well with a Omen instead of a Brim
It’s just hard to move away from 2 meta agent tho. I don’t think they would do that
I think astra is even better in the bind comp than brim since she can also instant smoke and universal like omen and even though her util is slow and more ideal in postplant or stopping a flood she can pair it well with the gravnet and fade and also good when flooding site with util when taking spaces
@@Olago-bz2xn Well they could especially cause Omen is showing surprising success on this map (which is awhole other thing I suppose) and they could always revert to double controller and do solo Fade or Skye since the the double smokes itself applies enough pressure in lieu of lack of info.
I think they were trying to work with the hold-ish abilities that deadlock and fade offer with 3 other agents that offer mollys or nades to pair them with but they didn't didn't exactly capitalise on them also deadlock as a lone sentinel suffers a lot as a lone duelist
Yes but you also have to look at who plays what agent, the Omen would probably be for Tenz to do which leaves Zellsis on Gekko, which he hasn’t played. It would create role issues to try to play the Omen over the Brimstone
i think deadlock is fine they just need to play more in too deadlock and get combo value through her grav net and i think sen maybe is still learning deadlock so some mistakes was made and can be better overtime
Yea, I think this is more the thing that they have only played Deadlock a FEW times so the more they do it- the better they will be.
I still love them for using deadlock
I think the deadlock fade combo just isn’t good because they basically have the same ability twice and it would be better to have some faster util like a skye to capitalize better
This may be hella copium, but I do think that the round 15 on bind 5:30 was a bit of the audio issues fault. Zellsis was the one without any sense of spacial audio, and when the raze satchel out onto site, he just didn't turn around which would have been a free kill, and I feel like anyone above silver would turn around to kill the raze and almost guarantee the round
Zellsis not having special audio definitely had an impact there. It might not guarantee the round, but it is a frustrating issue that compromises the integrity by raising that question in the first place
Cope harder
I'm pretty sure zellsis just thought John would kill or die to the raze and zellsis himself would focus on long. He likely wasn't expecting john to just tuck and let the raze shoot him in the back. Definitely seems like a miscommunication and a misplay by john
Not to mention the fact that raze didn't even kill zellsis and it was actually his fight against skye on long that he simply lost. If he turns around to shoot raze he likely dies from skye before he can kill raze
I think teams could work around the deadlock comps, and we saw her getting quite a lot of value. The thing thats off about Deadlock is still the wall though. The gravnet is a good ability. The sensors can be situational, but extremly good in postplants and pretty good on defense. The wall is just so easy to destroy, doesnt recharge and doesnt provide enough value for what it is. Its not worth to sacrifice that 5th agent spot for deadlock with so many characters being so good currently in my opinion.
the fact that they are replacing Viper for Deadlock is kinda bad, No?
I don't understand why they went away from the Deadlock/Cypher combo from their game vs NRG, it seemed to be pretty effective, especially on defense.
Yea not on bind though. Bind is a very push pull map and that util will just get broken and you need lots of initiator util to confirm some of those kills and still be able to execute some space. Double senti on bind would be meta breaking yes but i think it would be bad generally
@@EDGKangKangcan you explain what push pull?
@@EDGKangKang Talking about Lotus, I don't even remember them using Deadlock on Bind.
Deadlock has insane potential especially on a map like bind. Her delay along with slowing a lane down whilst being able to fight the other is what makes her one of my favorite sentinels. I think her biggest understandings is timings. For example, knowing the fast timings that your opponents can take space (like walking up or running up). The other thing is the durability of the wall. Knowing at specific intervals during the round when the wall will break. On my team I would never wall early as it breaks at the 1min mark in the round which is not ideal. I think with more prac from Sen with deadlock we might see some better changes. Again deadlock is a sentinel that is unpredictable and harder to destroy her trips. She is my favorite to fight consistently on sites regardless of ult economy (my favorite thing is to deny ults like gekko or raze rocket with the wall or grav net).
The biggest thing is knowing the gaps especially on your Ct side but if a team is aware of the gaps and again know the timings then the overall ct side is insanely strong
To be honest, Viper has been weakened, but he still seems like an essential character for Lotus.
Didn't know Viper had BBLs.
Viper is female
if only Viper was a male
@@popsmackle8039But the people playing Viper are male and we aren’t talking about valorant lore we are talking about male pro players utilizing her. it’s the same reason i will always comm “he is here” when comming about clove in ranked.
@@EDGKangKang "an essential character". I didn't know that VCT pro players were essential characters for Lotus.
The problem with Deadlock to me seems to boil down to this:
Deadlock wants to be in game states that she can not create herself.
Deadlock loves post plants, especially big post plants, 5v5 to 3v3, since that's when her sound sensors are most likely to find value, as contacting is just not an option, but she doesn't have much to offer her team to get into a 5v5 post plant other than maybe some wall lineups to slow down rotates.
Similarly, on defence, she wants to disrupt and delay big site execs, but she has no way of finding out where and when they are coming herself.
Deadlock sets certain compositional requirements for her team to get the most out of her, and those requirements can be difficult to meet.
She loves Cypher to play off of his info on defence, but also needs enough threat on the site exec to get into post plants on attack. With 2 agents on the team that do basically nothing on an exec.
Just make deadlocks trips gain info. They can keep the proc if sound is made gimmick but give an indicator to the player if someone has walked past the trip making it on more usable as a solo senti.
Hmm throwing the wall mid site huh.
I don't think I ever see that done ever.
But it's kinda intressting.
for me it was a team issue not an agent issue. Watching it the castors pointed out multiple uncoordianted moments that had nothing to do with deadlock and instead communication or strategy.
when you are using new agents it will surely affect the overall performance.
If you are a one trick or comfortable with the agent.
Everything becomes on instinct. You never need to second guess or check on how to play it
they just dont know how to use deadlock
Yeah your gold games you know better than the pros
Definitely agreed. These pro players should really learn from gold 3 peak deadlock master knetx. Fuccing clown 🤡
In the last few minutes you talk about the "C site sentinel util dump" which is even worse bc since G2 is playing a raze the "default nade trip" should destroy every piece of util except the camera. Right?
the two games that they won comfortably there was no deadlock which were kru and c9
On bind it’s def a troll you need the viper but I think on lotus it’s good because they struggle on defense and it’s very helpful on offense so you don’t get flooded as you say in streams
The deadlock trips are useless 90% of the time, the wall lasts way too little time. Atleast the trips need to reworked to make her a viable solo sentinel to be picked at the pro level imo
I think Deadlock is good when paired with Cypher. MIBR got very good value from the pair on Bind. And that's frickin MIBR
0 defend side bind. They are saving strat right?
5:10 why is Sentinel's playing with both initiators on A? Wouldn't you want one of them on B so they can use their util to get info?
3:32 I just want to point out that all 3 with a molly/nade went main instead of showers with deadlock. Any single one of those 3 would have gotten that kill from the net.
No raze should go cause of how fast it can kill
The deadlock only works on lotus
Zellsis audio wasn’t working the whole series
cope
I just know in ranked or even unrated, double sentinel feels like the slowest possible comp that can't deny or provide info at all. I hate it. I'm rooting completely against this strat. It is cool seeing the variety and attempt tho, I love experimentation! But for this one, I root against it. Maybe my brawlhalla beginnings show as I hate passive play in any game lol, especially this slow af one
I also just got into the video and see it's not DOUBLE sentinel? That's crazy! Mind changed. Super on board, GO DEADLOCK!!
I honestly think they used yhe wrong comp against the wrong team, g2 are infamous for passive and slow pushes, and silent reclears
0 reason deadlock cant be a insane pro play agent, good nades, the stuns are fucking insane and both great for combo util with tm8s if u know where u can hide them and still hit spike and her ult is 95% a free kill, if u dont have a decent amount of defensive setups for her i could see her being worse on that end, but she is also a great great stalling agent so i dont see a ceiling on her
A lot of this was overall comp problems and sentinels problems, I still think deadlock is very viable
if you expose cypher cam like that 15:49 any good team will destroy it quickly.
Sentinels really gave cypher deadlock their first loss in pro play “I believe it’s their first loss in the same comp”
Bring back viper and SEN will be fine
So basically Deadlock may actually work but sentinels couldn’t use her well.
Sen didn't play that game well, and they all admitted it on steams and stuff between audio issues and low mental it shows they are by NO means a bad team I mean they're in the 2nd seat in playoffs for a reason gg go next I guess
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Put JohnQT on Cypher and call it a day. He slays on the Cypher.
It's not. Cypher is and will always be a better pick. No further elaborating needed
if what zelsis is saying is true sen was handy capped with broken coms due to device issues where as g2 seemingly had no com problems
Even with the comms. G2 played amazing that game. And the comp issues TMV brought up do seem legitimate. I too felt that the deadlock wasn't being utilised properly. Maybe some more practice is the answer or maybe a comp change is only sen know.
it is true, eeiu experienced the same device issues against the game with loud (according to his post on twitter/X), it's wild they're experiencing this issue, props to LOUD and G2 though they played insanely well
It doesn't matter. G2 would've won the series anyway
I think g2 got a lil lucky on both maps and sen got unlucky in many situations
The absence of Sachi this game was visible, hopefully that sacy sub can step up 😔
Yeah sachi seems the weakest link.
@@Katniss0000 sacy* dont confuse the two, sachi is a world champion
@@MilaneseMoon my bad.
@@Katniss0000 only by the grace of sachi the goat of initiators may you be pardoned, human. 😂
Is it a comp problem, or a problem with the fact that G2 are fricken insane right now. Reminiscent of how 100T played Stage 1.
Comp problem it's also because of Deadlock when you have off day your util doesn't hit anyone
I mean G2 placed 3rd in shanghai and SEN didn't even make playoffs last split. G2 were the favorites in this match
deadlock cypher only okay on ascent
Deadlock has shown very good success on Bind (and to a degree Lotus) not just by Sen but also other teams.
sen thought they were fnc LOL
sen don't want to be fnc. they are better
@@wrekt2192They were better going into Madrid (cause FNC weren’t even playing well enough to make it), but at the moment, no, they are not better. Sen are struggling to win any games against good teams right now. This was especially apparent stage 1, where they only won against shit teams.
@@cloudyskyz2237100t won the split but they were 2-0d by sen what are you on about? And C9 or kru are not bad teams they only lost to g2 here that's not even bad since they are on around equal footing to them...
@@cloudyskyz2237 tf are you on they didnt drop a single map this entire split till the g2 match
so experimenting with comps are copying fnatic now? didn't loud do the same with the two controllers comp? you sure are delusional
Bruh
Skill issue
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Deadlock is good, SEN just suck.
guy hates sen more than he likes his team. idk what they did to you.
It's worth it, so they get destroyed at Champs
No one wants you here
Bruh