Best Way to Play Craps | Light vs Dark
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2022
- What is the best way to play craps? Betting with the shooter on the Pass line and Come bets, or against the shooter with the Don't Pass and Don't Come bets? Today I roll out two very common strategies to see which style is better. Sadly, a short demonstration will not give the finite answer to this age old question.
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Thank you! Appreciate the tip
Love these "system battle" videos! Good job, Color Up.
Appreciate the content. Been watching your videos for a while now and glad you'd stayed consistent. One of my favorite craps channels on TH-cam. Keep up the great work
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Enjoy your videos, Jeremy. I’ve learned so much. I love the old look of that table!
For those of us that can only play for 4 or 5 hours.....Interesting mix!....Walking to a sad and obviously cold or POS type table you use Dolly....a Warm or visibly hot table try the Molly...Ill give it a try !
My favorite of your strategy videos! This is how I play!
I’ve seen both sides lose if the rolls go just right. That’s what’s cool about this game no guarantees it could take out any and all strategies.
I really don't think it's possible for both sides to lose, if they're both playing pure contract with odds. What you probably saw is players mixing in other bets, ie hedging. Or the light side better made some place bets.
The only roll that can lose for one side and not win for the other is a 12 on a come-out or a new Come/DC, which loses for Pass and pushes for DC. But even with lots of 12s, I don't see it can work out that both end up behind.
OMG Jeremy!
I was just starting a rant (out loud to myself) that in no way will your roll tell us which is better. Next clip you are literally referencing this. God, I love your videos my dude.
Please keep up the great work, and may the gambling gods forever be in your favor.
@8:38... The way I explain craps to people that have the pre-conceived notion that craps is complicated, I tell them that the beauty of craps is that it is multiple games inside one box and they get to choose the game they want to play. When I'm introducing the game, I'll teach the basic Pass Line bet, then progress to PL with odds, then the 3-Point Molly, and eventually add odds to those Come bets to demonstrate one game versus multiple games. I rarely get into explaining my personal strategies at all, and I don't want to confuse them with payout odds. Just like to see the joy they get from hitting a point and getting chips shoved back to them. If they express more interest, I point them to your channel to learn more. ;-) Thanks for the compare and contrast vid!
I’ve started going even simpler. “There are 11 numbers to bet on, what number do you think will roll” that’s the whole game. Now let’s learn the different ways to make those bets
I love the graphics on that table!
Man that table is slick 🔥
Ah, so Color Up is playing both sides so at least one side will win in the demo.
The two or three point Dolly's (from the Don't with odds) is my favorite standard play. Doesn't always work out, but mostly...it does. The advantage of the 2-3 point Dolly's of course is not losing all your bets in a single roll, and flat betting as a favorite with odds to boot...this is just very...powerful. The weakness of course is the come out DP bet/DC with a 7 or 11, but one can hedge these...and I do at least with the come out DP with the 7 hops.
If there is too many rolls or too many points hit, I will make a switch. Sometimes I mix it up with a 6/8 bet, or a small iron cross to prepare myself for a switch if the shooter gets 'hot' or hits points...
If playing the light side, usually I play it 1 point Molly style and place whatever numbers I want with it. I find betting the come for the number then placing odds to be more...inefficient/ineffective I guess is the word... than placing the number in which right away you are paid back that number with odds with the light by placing. 7 can be brutal playing 3-point Molly's...as shown in this video example.
Just returned from 6-night Vegas stay. One session played for close to 5 hours at the Golden Gate. Watched a lot of different people play at the table. My first time using the 3-point molly strategy, usually had 3 numbers working with odds. Buy in for a couple hundo and at one point was down to no chips on the rail and all in play. Tried moving to the dark side when at the table by myself, did not go too well and went back to pass line. About 3 hours in I began setting the dice, my luck turned around and walked with $250 profit after 4 and half hours. This was a $15 table. The come bet is an amazing hedge/ insurance bet and absolutely cushions the blow of big red..imo. Will keep setting my dice from now on, and always have had better success when setting. Also had multiple positive sessions at the Plaza and not being greedy and take small wins makes a difference. A good, timed C&E bet helped as well. Appreciate the videos as they have elevated my game for sure. Thanks, and nice job!!
Dice setters are dorks who only serve to slow the game down .
Jeremy, loved the video!
Would have preferred when point or reddie hit you paid the winning player via the other's chips. You worked so hard setting them up that way, but collect losses and payout (yes I know casinos will do that).
It worked out, that the lost by the pass line was a gain for the don't pass.
I think betting the don't is better because there's no way to win against short rolls if you're not on the don't. But if you are on the don't and a long roll is happening you can do a bunch of place bets
Dark side is the only strategy I play. The reason I think a lot of players play the PASS LINE, is not to be "that guy" that wants to cheer when everyone loses. Not everyone realizes we play against the casino, NOT each other
Ever get drunks (or general assholes) hassling you about playing dark?
The dark side is the only one for me. That said, I have switched depending on the roll of the dice.
Loving the vids at the GSR, wonder where your filming this on the property since no background noise but slight echo. I do see you are doing these vids with tourney chips, makes it real nice for filming.
I was wondering the same thing. I thought, "maybe they let him film when it's closed." Then I realized we're talking about a casino. in Reno. Do they even know the word "closed"?
Was wondering same thing myself
They have a dealer training school, so I film in their training room. I wish I could sound treat the room to minimize echo
@@ColorUp that makes sense... at least you don't have the noise of the casino floor at least, lesser of two evils.
Darkside ALL DAY!!!! Once a shooter takes three bets from me I will either sit out or just play a 6 and 8 to get a little bit of the losses back.
I think people don't play the darkside because they either don't understand it (which many new players don't) or are afraid of the reaction of the whole notion of going "against the shooter." Everytime I play I have to explain the don't to a fellow player and show them why it makes sense. Plus the don't is even better when it works especially for those dice setting stalling the game nerds.....DARK SIDE IS THE BEST SIDE!!!
Why play the 6 and 8 instead of Pass with Odds?
I agree 100%. I played the dark side this last weekend for the first time and doubled my money. Two hot shooters set me back a bit, but like you said, just stand back and wait for the next one!
I play both, depending on how the table is going
"Pass line is looking for repeat and the don't is looking for "you know what"" Lol. That's better!
I like a 3 point molly with a 2 point Dolly. Root for the point and alternate between DC and the Come bet.
Interesting 🤔
15 dollar craps is the standard now..so the 3× odds on 6 & 8. Would be 45 to win 54 on pass and 54 to win 45 on the dont..5 & 9 3× odds would be 46 to win 69 on the pass line and 69 to win 46 on the dont pass...please correct if i made a mistake
Your math is correct for a $15 table and 3x odds
Although the don’t pass/come has a slight mathematical advantage, which would (normally) result in a higher chance of profit, I think playing the pass/come results in a better social experience with everyone (except darkside players) cheering and hoping that the point number is hit. Then again, everything comes down to the dice. You could have a monster roll or two one session and then have a bunch of PSO’s the next time. It’s all up to the dice Gods
when I play the "don't"... I just say that, "I just want anything but that one number - you guys can have the rest ;)"
Sometimes we have to play the table and that may be pass and sometimes it may be the don’t pass!
Excellent video... I sent you a tip.
Much appreciated!!!
Really love the videos. How can I send you my own Craps! strategy for you to roll out?
“Dice advice” form on my website www.colorup.club
What why to play . The why the game or dice 🎲 are rolling
I'm usually a Dark Side player. I got burned too many times loading up the table then getting nailed by the seven. I really love to play by myself and just chunk dice down the table doing the Dolly with double odds (also a buck on the Don't with double odds for the dealers) until people come to the table. Then I will sometimes I will place the 6 and 8 and also put the dealers on 6 & 8 for a buck to stay social when there are other players. I'll use a win and bet on the 6/8 for odds when my Don't Come moves there. I also sometimes throw three dollars on the ATS for the fun of the long rolls.
Playing alone the money goes quick!
@@tdueces I am unlucky/lucky to do lots of PSOs or maybe set a couple of DC bets then seven out pretty consistently.
I love this so much I wanna tip you! How I do dat?
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How do you place a dont come bet if you aren’t near the don’t come box?
Most dealers will help you, but really it’s a self serve bet
Does the dealer lay the odds for me on my don’t come bet?
Yes, you will place your odds amount in come like all other bets and let them know “lay odds on my x”
What’s the advantage to playing don’t come vs just laying? Does that avoid the vig?
That is correct, lay odds with dont pass or don’t come has no vig or house edge.
DP/DC you're getting paid 1:1 when you have the advantage vs laying to get true odds and paying a vig. The catch, of course is the come out roll. Sometimes it's a goddamn mountain to climb just to establish a don't number.
Right, comeout roll the dont is a 8:3 underdog
Are those the actual casino chip colors?
No, these are roulette chips I’m using.
Shouldn’t the totals only be off by the $10 on the come out 12? Else, these plays are offsetting each other
Once and forall
Focus?
Be quiet?
I think if you are rolling play the light side, if someone else is rolling play the dark side. Then again, I don’t really care if I make friends at a craps table
Why do you call the light side "out place player"?
? Maybe I stumbled my words? If you give me a time stamp from video, I might be able to tell you what I was trying to say
@@ColorUp I think you meant to say "our Pass player", not "our place player"
This was not a fair comparison because you turned off odds on the come-out for light side but not dark side
Darkside is always working, and light side odds are off when puck is off. It is fair as that is the default of each bet. you can ask dealer to override the default, but I played it as the bets are designed. comeout roll most are rooting for a 7 and that is why dark side stays on. could turn all bets off, except you can’t turn a light side bet base bet off as they are the only contract bets in game.
why in the world would anyone play a dp on the comeout with 2 dc bets working
Just in case another point is rolled.
Some people stick strictly to their strategies. I get what you're saying though. In that case, I probably just sit back and wait too.
The two DC bets (with odds) make all the come out Sevens much more bearable. It also sets you up for a great hit on the Point Seven rolls.
You can wait till after comeout roll but then trying to establish another dont come point, you face the very same 7/11 for the dont come bet
@@ColorUp yes but ruin the profit of a comeout 7 with a dp bet..There is zero advantage to a dp bet in this case
In most of the Reno casinos, a 12 on the come out is a winner for the Don't Pass.
When the 12 is a winner, the 2 is barred. One of them have to be barred or else would be no house edge.
@@ColorUp Does the GSR casino bar the 2 on their regular craps tables?
Bar 12 at GSR
@@ColorUp Interesting!
I wish the other casinos would Bar 12 too.
I don’t know, it’s kinda fun to have it different.
Has the casino offered you a dealing job yet? They trust you enough to deal on their tables. How many people are watching you make the video?
I could deal, but then wouldn’t be allowed to play there.
The best way is the way that wins lol.
Correct
I think I may have broken craps... According to the software I made the strategy I came up with I would make $180 after 5 hours of playing with a bank roll of $100. And that's the smallest win out of the 3 data pools I have.
My bad the system is even better, forgot to add some wins so not $180 after 5 hours it's actually $245.
Shouldn't it be *+$293 for the don't player since you ripped them off $30 on there last payout by accident? Lol
Maybe, 🤷♂️
You are correct. I noticed that too!
This is why you DON'T gamble, the pass line player lost 50% of his bankroll in under 20 min. Even the winning don't player, on a frozen cold table, only made about 55%. And he has to know when to get out because one hot roller wipes all that profit on like 2 points made.
Interesting that you are watching videos on a gambling topic then.
@@pewing99 Extremely interesting
This is why you do gamble.
Craps is beatable because not every outcome has an equal chance of happening and knowing that you can take advantage of bet combinations. Any number on a roulette wheel has an equal chance of happening so the game is unbeatable using strategy unless you can predict what will happen. Craps on the other hand doesn't matter what will happen since you know what numbers will appear more than others.
Single numbers on roulette all have equal chance sure, but you can bet on red, which has 18 chances, while there remains 18 black and usually 2 green. Also can bet Sections etc. This is no different than how craps works, certain bets have a certain number of combinations. You can’t beat either game based on combinations. No matter what you bet, the casino takes all if you lose and a % if you win.
@@ColorUp I figured out a way to beat it in about 500 hours. Wasn't that hard with software to analyze the numbers. I can assure you it is beatable 😉
Take a loan of $10k out and turn it into millions. Best of luck to you. There is a reason no one has been able to do it before you.
It absolutely is not beatable. You are in fantasy land. In a given session anyone can win but in no way is it beatable long term.
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