Win Continuously at Craps With Come Bets
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- Win Continuously at Craps With Come Bets is a craps strategy from my Dice Advice series. In Dice Advice I will show viewer submitted strategies and roll them. In Season 2 Episode 10 I show the Come Bet Galore Strategy. This is a craps strategy that utilizes continuous come bets with double odds. This strategy also starts with a $12 horn bet on come out rolls only. If a horn number hits, then the horn bet is pressed up to $16 and so on. This craps strategy was submitted by a gentleman from the UK.
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Tried this strategy tonight but I hedge 6/8. Did pretty well for me. Pulled my 6 or 8 place bets if my come moves up to there and I try to have 3 numbers working plus the point which makes 4. Great strategy @Color Up keep this coming!
As you say, every strategy needs the cooperation of the dice, but this seems like a quick way to lose a fair chunk of change.
The dice did not cooperate, and when playing odds and numbers don’t hit you lose faster
@@ColorUp i would just rerecord that segment to get a better sampld
@@maxbrass8725 That's not realistic though. He likes to just roll natural and let the dice do what they do because that's how it will be in real life.
"win continuously" proceeds to lose. Honestly a terrible strategy at least if you are looking for longevity. I mean your horn bet isn't covered so you are just ruining the come out odds. Then to set up you end up putting 3 units on most numbers just to have a seven rolled and sweep it all away
I use this strategy minus the horn bets. I usually only allow my pass line bet and 3 come bet numbers working for me unless the table proves hot then I'll increase more number coverage. It tends to do me well most of the time and was the first strategy I learned to use from a book on craps based on minimizing house odds.
Placing the 6 and 8 and having them working on the come out would be a better use of that $12 than betting on the horn.
Certainly better as far as house edge goes and more likely to roll. But Get lucky and 2/12 hit and a $90 payout is more fun than a $7 payout though :)
Color Up $81 to keep your bet up 😀. Try reds hopping for $1 a piece. If it hit press then $1 then go ahead and place the 4 and 10 to give yourself a head start on the next roll. Kind of a grind strategy but fun.
@@ColorUp : Yeah, it's a grind, but you're there to invest, and earn a return on it; not, I repeat, not gamble. If you don't have the bankroll, the knowledge, the management, and the discipline; then, simply go to watch people play. If I buy in $300, and everything eventually goes down and cold, and I walk away with $330, that's a 10% ROI! Pretty excellent, imho. I fall to $240, and I walk. Session over, and that money never comes out for the day. A new $300 is used. Never feel horrible, can accept small wins as earnings to offset the cost of transportation and food, and anything left over is profit. Might only be $5, but if you want more, scale it up. But just ensure you can recover from a 20% hit against a larger bankroll. Play within your means. If that means you shouldn't play, then don't. That's an ok thing. If you live next to a casino, make $100k+/yr, and are single with disposable income, then sure, 401k, the market, the casino. Different rates of return over time. Can you live with that? If you can, go for it. If you can't, then walk away, or go there like going to the movies or the mall, and people-watch. Buffets can be cheap enough that it is a good form of entertainment.
@@ColorUp I agree to a point, that rare timed 1&1 or 6&6 is exciting for $90 but the reality like this video shows, placing $12 down for one roll, over and over for nothing sucks alot more.
@@rlhanks gambling is a losing proposition long term, no matter how you play. The best you can do is play low edge bets and lose money slower. No matter how you play, you are hoping to get lucky. I don't judge how people like to play. Slots = very bad bet, but plenty love them, and every once in awhile someone wins big. Ya never know.
This is actually a strat that use very often, great video! I made the most money ever playing this way, over $700 on my roll! I usually play a Horn High Ace/Deuce for $5 as well.
Hey, love watching your videos. So, I do this strategy a lot on buble machines but I will put a dont come out after 3 rolls that will cover the those bets. If it's a 6 or 8 I will take it down. Then I will continue to come all over the table .
Farmer Bruce is right. Its a great strategy except for the Horn Bets. The Come bet should be increased incrementally to serve as hedge (slight hedge) against all working numbers that get hit.
I’ve played that strategy but without the horn bet. I like it. Had my biggest win ever playing that way.
First time I ever played craps, I just bet pass with odds and come with odds up to 3 total numbers (including pass bet). I won so much money doing that.
This is the strategy I use with a few changes. I play 3/4/5 odds and then after 2 numbers hit I increase the come/pass bet by 1 unit, still play full odds. Repeat over and over increasing 1 unit after every 2 hits. If you catch a hot roller you'll fill your rack with chips quickly. You win fast and lose fast with this strategy. You need a $500 bankroll for a $5 table. Be prepared to lose it. If you catch a roll be prepared to color up and walk away, even if it's just for 15 minutes. Cash in and if you want to play another session buy new chips. If you catch a monster roll don't be afraid to keep increasing your bets and always play max odds. Hopefully when the dreaded 7 hits you'll lose $100s because that means you have $1000s on your rail. Don't forget to color up and walk away after that monster roll. Great rolls are few and far between, be sure to walk with that cash!!
Live hard die fast strategy right here lmao
Very bold way to play the game. But the statisticians say that this is actually a low risk strategy believe it or not. Its all relative to how you look at the game. If you were to stay true to this strategy the house edge would be cut to tenths of a percent. Of course there are going to be times you get your teeth kicked in and burn through your $500 roll in under an hour! But like you said when you catch a hot shooter, you will be walking away a big winner. IMO this strategy only works for people with money. A lot of us don't have the luxury of risking $500 at the casino, so this isn't a realistic strategy.
Few dice bettors will want to incur vulnerability to a killer Seven in this fashion ( whales excluded; big money players may even elect to prefer full tilt- , all across-, POWER PRESS Place & Buy betting, just for greater ease and flexibility). For those of you intent on avoiding so much of an overbet posture, you’ll want the scenario envisioned in the video presentation to be a * cascade effect,* if you will-arrived at by means of early and steady gains. (You should be so lucky!)
The default setting is a defensive one, featuring a 2x table minimum Pass Line bet, with single Odds, plus a 1x table min Come bet with variable Odds.
You’ll disdain flat betting, for your primary Pass & Come bet(s), keeping to a schedule of unit increases progressing on an approximately 45 degree climb, and through the Parlaying of Comeout naturals automatically.
It is only from this profoundly tighter control of bankroll, that you’ll expand your action to include this cascade of repeat continuous Come betting.
I've gone through 20 of your videos. I've applied my stradegy to your rolls and come out on top every time.
Awesome
@George Phone: What is your Strategy may I ask?
I would make a couple small changes, instead of a horn bet, do a whirl bet so the Seven is covered and you don't lose the bet if it comes up. Also I would do a collect and press strategy for the odds bets.
I usually do a come bet if I don't like the point of if the shooter has been rolling for a while and I'm not getting any action. It's also nice to have the little 1 roll hedge against the 7.
The problem with always playing the come is the same as going 64 across. You win on a lot of rolls, but you have to win several times just to make any profit.
To make a good profit, you have to put more money on a single bet rather than a little money on a bunch of bets.
Most shooters will not roll more than a few times. You might hit the point on one of those rolls, and if you have max odds then that's awesome.
@color up, love your videos. I'm learning craps for a few months and for a beginner it would be helpful to add at how to ask for the bets you are placing from the dealer. I've been at tables and I don't say the right thing and they are not sure what I am asking for. That's my $0.02 as a beginner. Keep up the high quality videos we appreciate it.
If you want to make a Place bet, you put your cheques in the Come area and tell the dealer which numbers you want to Place.
The other thing I do at the table, I usually start out with $300 in chips and play in units shifting from one tray to the other and leave the table when the start side is empty. The difference is I use about $100 in red chips and when my win side has five reds I switch them out with a green chip from the betting side so I'm really playing with the same $100 in red chips. The goal is to accumulate the same number of chips but all green chips
I also use this this strategy with the following exceptions: I don't play the Horn and I use a 6-count on every new shooter (he or she needs to prove themselves first) before putting my money down. Once an inside number repeats and there has been at least one '7' rolled in the last twelve rolls, it's smash time! I also hit-and-run so as soon as I'm up 3-5 units, I GO HOME a winner!
This was like the table I had today. Shouldn't have gone up, plus roads still had snow.
Holy Crap! I remember when I made my craps videos 7 years ago there was only a few videos but now there is a whole community.
Hey! You were one of main inspirations I started my channel. Yours were some of my favorites. Explained so well.
@@ColorUp Thanks for the kind words. I can't tell you how many times I was at a crap table and someone walked up and didn't know how to play. So, it was time to get some basic info out. There wasn't much on TH-cam at that time and what was there you never saw the dice roll so I wanted to show that and I see you have the same style, well done!
@@ClassicalGourmet since i started 3 yrs ago, now there are literally hundreds of dice channels! loved your stuff, so probably stole my style from you. im still subbed, and while not interested in tobacco, im hoping one day ill see another dice video :)
I always play come with double odds, but start with buy bets and place bets. I raise my come bet to press and occasionally increase the line bets $162/$325 at a time to correspond to my come bet. For example, if I have a $15 come bet and $137 across on the line and a 6 comes. I make money on the place bet with covers the $30 odds. I’ll pull the place bet down and take some earnings. I repeat a few times, then add $162 across and raise my come bet to $20/$25. Pulling down the line bets as numbers are rolled. I keep pressing until my come bets are $100 and I have $650 across($100 as buy and place bets). It’s a great strategy that forces me to press, but is fun too. It can get expensive on a cold table, but works great when it’s hot.
You can't pull line bets you mean place bets
I always work my odds on the come out roll. The odds bet is the best bet in the house. Why would I want to take it off? Sure, I will lose them all when the 7 hits on the come out roll. But I'm going to lose them all if it hits on the following roll, so all I have done is taken away a chance to hit one of my numbers with odds.To me, the pass line bet is just another come bet. I'm not going to take my odds down because I have a come bet up, so why should I here? Think about it. If you do nothing, the casino automatically takes your odds off. Why do you suppose they do this? Because it is good for them, that's why.
I roll low so I actually typically play 2x odds and “continuously come”. If I start winning i ramp up the odds.
Nice video as always.
This would be a good strategy to use for myself but not on short rolls with random shooters, I think you would get mowed down with short rolls
Would it be good to start out after you establish a point buy yr 5.6.8 and play a come bet covering yr 3 other bets 🤔🤓
Try this without the horn bets. The outcome will be much better.
Basically just a continuous Molly
I'm about an hour from ac.they have 10x odds. I didn't realize you could get that on the come bet also. I would just like to clarify why this is better than a place bet you get true odds on that portion of the bet it's more profitable over the long haul
I'd also have an odds strategy. Assume 5X max table. I'd take 5X odds on 6 and 8, 2X odds on 5 and 9 and 1X odds on four and ten
I am new to craps and have been watching your videos to gain knowledge about the game. Ive been using a similar strategy that works well. I am thinking i may add a few things ive seen in this video. Perhaps if it works i will send you the strategy and you can make a video. Thanks.
Welcome aboard!
What do you think about having place bets across and playing the come, once your come travels to that number you get paid for the place bet and you move that place bet or take it down?
That is how I play.
was playing with you using my table limit strategy $500 buy in made $241 off your roll i have to win on 3rd pass unless there a come out 2 or 3 then i have to win on 5th pass
I get it, this is for demonstration and it does help, I just would never roll exactly like this. First thing different, I press all my come out roll sevens/elevens and when they hit 4x I play "any craps" for the same units i.e. 4x=$4. Second, I play max four numbers covered. Last, typically I play $5 come, $20 odds for 6,8 and $10 5,9 never odds on 4/10. It is not perfect but it seems to work and I have a ton of fun playing it the very few times I'm in a casino.
That’s why craps is so great, thousands of different ways to play, and yet no one is right or wrong.
If you’re in a cold table with each roller crapping out after 3-5 rolls, you will lose your money faster than you can say come! Only way this strategy works is if you’re a good roller with few people on the table. You can’t depend on random people betting like this. Might get lucky once or twice but not likely. I was doing something similar with a point and 2-3 come bets with odds only to get murdered almost every time. Did make money on a few rollers but lost way more than I’ve won.
Great video, exciting....but not the greatest strategy in my opinion.
-Stay rolling hot my friends-
You can depend on random people just as much as anyone else. The dice combinations don't change it makes no difference except in your head.
Great Video Jeremy, loved the 12's 4's 10's and hard 8's!!! My 3 combined strategies made just over $6000 with these throws. Keep up the great work!
Midnight Madness what 3 strategies did you use?
@@tylerwright497 my midnight madness strategy, my madness 4-10 strategy and my hard 8 madness strategy. Yeah I know the naming lacks imagination but it was some of my earlier work lol.
I can email them to you if you are interested. They are a little crazy hence the name but they do well. I have been analyzing a collection of over 5000 rolls and i have a new one I really like now that focuses on certain triggers to help avoid the 7. I'm working on a brand new strategy that uses the dice outcome to determine when to bet. If you are interested, send me your email address and I will send these to you.
Its not the strategies that made you the money it was the long rolls from Jeremy
The good ol argument between betters that hate Come bets, and betters that are wrong.
haha
Newbie Question... on the Come bet, the Odds bet is double the come bet, so how much is the payout for the odds? is it 2 to 1 for 4&10. 3 to 2 for 5 & 9 and 5 to 6 for 6 & 8,?
The odds for come pay the same as you would the odds for the pass line. So yes all your odds were correct except the 6 and 8 it's 6:5 not 5:6
This is a seven or whirl bet strategy based on seeing 7, 2, 3, 11 or 12 rolled on the come out or stick change based on experience.
On the come out or stick change (superstition) play whirl, hop the reds, have a line or come bet depending on if it's a come out roll or stick change in the middle of the game.
If a red is rolled, your whirl bet is protected because red is a push on the whirl.
If a whirl number is rolled you win that bet. It hedges losing on the reds a little.
If a red is rolled your whirl is protected because it's a red push. But you win on the come or line and one of hopped reds. Then press. And repeat. It's pretty exciting when you hit a red at 15;1, AND win on the line or come bet! If a point comes out then revert to the all come bet strategy.
To protect your bankroll i would skip the horn bet, and stop making come bets once I have 3 numbers covered (the point and 2 come bets with full odds) then add a 3rd come bet once I am ahead for that shooter.
TH-cam scandal.... LOADED DICE!!!! haha j/k man, keep posting the great content.
you would think if I used loaded dice, i would win....unless my partner off camera is betting the don't in a ....demo....for a strat....with no money involved...hmmmm :)
Looks like darkside is winner today 😁
The horn is my favorite bet I play it often rolled a $100 12 for 2900 I never play the come I think the inside numbers pay better fck $4 horn bet go big 40 dollar horn 10 on each...love craps
Does anyone play online in the US? Where do you play?
I call this method: The ATM.
Cuz it pays once you have each number covered (with odds).. It’s the gift that keeps giving. 🤙
I call this method the charity, because you’re just giving money away.
Why not just play the numbers from the beginning?
@@TheDougSpot Cause the HA is much lower on the pass/come bets.
You can also call it the ATM because that's most likely where I will be headed if u get on a cold table!
I call it the machine! Was just in vegas and had it up and running 50 base with 3/4/5 max on all. $350 every roll it was amazing. $2k -> $7k. Usually get 2 come bets with max odds then do no odds but keep the come working. Once a point or come hits then put max odds on hanging come bets. Then off and on machine to the moon.
ive seen a brief video and im looking for a more in depth video ,come betting but then equalling the amount of bets on the number on you next come out bet.....i.e 1st 5 dollars say 9 then next is another 5 say 4 the next come bet now 10 dollars because you have 10 in total on the numbers
Aloha, gonna be in Las Vegas in a couple weeks. Whats your favorite Casino to go to on the strip?
I prefer downtown, but to play craps on strip it’s the lower end properties that have $5 tables sometimes, Excalibur, Luxor, Strat, places like that. No favorites
Color Up right on thank you for the heads up. My last trip there I tried my luck at the Orleans no winners there lol. Paris gave me $2k that I deposited right back the next day though... but that was also my first time trying out craps haha! Thanks for these videos! I’m feeling more confident in trying again.
@@chrisfryday have a great time and good luck on coloring up
I love watching your content but I have to say listening to you try and name this one, has me laughing so hard my side hurts!
Ha
Catchy title "win continuously" while you lose $100! Ironic. And I get a kick out of all these different "strategies" in your videos. Unquestionably very entertaining, interesting, and informative, but really, these "strategies" are just gimmicks. The ONLY way to win at craps (all games, actually) is to get lucky, i.e. beat the long term odds with short term gains. If the dice fall your way, you can win. If not, there's no way you can win no matter what strategy you use other than leaving the table. But who wants to do that!?!
Please understand, this comment is not a knock on you, Color Up. To the contrary. You do a better job at explaining the game than anyone else - so easy to follow along. I've learned a hell of a lot watching your videos. Thank you. I'm a fan and new subscriber!
Thanks, I try to explain that the dice have to go your way to win, but fail to do so in every video. I also create interesting titles that draw in viewers. My goal is to grow the game of dice and give it the attention it deserves as best casino game. :) Strategies are fun.
Can u help me how do i make a Series on my channel I don’t see anywhere to try to put that together your help would be appreciated love the channel man for sure the best on TH-cam
Series? Do you mean a playlist?
Oh playlist. I like the way u have the challenges separated from the dice advice
Thanks man I got it now didn’t know what that was only 2 months on here
Hey man
Can you do a video where you try and do dice control just for shots and gigs
If you get a good, long roller, this is great. If you get someone hitting the same number, this is great. But it's also a good way to commit a bunch of cash and lose it. Done both.
Sounds like gambling
Horn bets, that's if you want to play. instead of laying odds on the numbers you roll. It's much better to put directly everthing in the come out bet. Then at least you recup 3 units instead of 1
I do a similar variation of that but instead of the Horn on the Come Out, I just put $5 on the Field.
The field is an okay bet if you are getting paid triple on the 2 or 12. If you are getting double on both, don't play it, If you can find a table that pays triple on both, send it in!
Good strat but i prefer place betting good vid as usual though
Great video Jeremy. I just wish you would use different dice
WagerMeThis haha
Haha, I got some new ones on the way
Never heard the word come that many times in 18 minutes
So, if you're min bet is 15, are you doing a 36 horn bet?
i’ve watched road gambler play the come. he never does the horn bet or hard ways. plays the come betting 3-4 numbers with max odds then let’s them win and come down. best way to play them. stay away from the horn. save your money unless you wanna do a $4 horn on the come out.
1. If you use the horn bet (hedge) on all front line come outs long enough then you will always eventually go broke.
2. Should I lift my front line odds during a come out come bet until a point # is thrown then put the front line odds back behind the line bet? Please explain the difference between a come "natural" 7 & a front line "natural" 7 without contradicting yourself. Until you do you should never tell gamblers not to make come odds work on all front line come outs!
I understand the parlay but if you have #’s working in the start you don’t have to try and have a longer roll??!!
Sure it was oversight but come bets are contract bets and can't be taken down, only the odds can.
I forgot to say, those numbers are "ON" all the time.
What I learned from this video, is don’t use it on random rollers.
not a fan of this method unless you really stay on the horn .
but that was a good roll and despite not hitting many inside numbers , if you woulda just put in the middle then you woulda been about even and further ahead
I`m pretty sure you said a person could take down their bets , but I think you mean take down the odds on your come bets . Not sure if you can take down the come bet itself ?
pass and come bets are contract bets and cannot be removed. Odds can be removed, increased or decreased at any time.
Color Up exactly so the come bets are contract bets. Odds can be removed but come bets can not. Like this person said you said in your video you can remove these bets but in reality only the odds can come down.
@@Iamhallucinatingnow I would never say that, must have been a mistake? would love to see time stamp when I said can remove the bet.
@@ColorUp At about 17:30 you said you can "pull it down", I caught that too but knew you knew better, just misspoke, and meant the odds
@@randy5248 Wow, i have no recollection of saying that. Im losing it :) I know better, so just referring to odds. Thanks for time stamp!
I would add a $5 field bet to this.
Using reds to hedge your flat bets on new come out rolls can extend this strategy.
With any strategy, the dice have to cooperate. Big wins if one plays at a, at least, 5x table.
Where did you buy your layout?
Casino4youdotcom
@@ColorUp Thankyou. I spent quite a while googling to see if I could find it, and I couldn't get close. :)
I'm not sure why you would play the Line bet seems like you could bet $6.to the Come on the Come out rolls and keep playing the Come till a point is made. then place the 6 and 8. then you can lay the odds . if you really want to get wild play the hard 4 and 10 and press it each win on them.
House edge on the pass line is 1.4%, horn is 12.5%. As a hedge you're really plugging a small hole using a much bigger hole. I'd make a $4 horn after having come bets on all numbers, then you win on every roll except big red.
Or never play horn at all :)
Good Point, well said
13:49 you roll two 12s in a row. 1/1296 chance
Can you make a video with CRAPS HAWAII ?
Would love to
Great strategy to loose all your money quickly!😂😂😂
You're not wrong. But it's also a great strategy to have a very quick come up.
Loose?
@@jimklemens5018 Turn me lose LoL
Great strategy to win a lot of money quickly as well!
Seen a father an son to this at Foxwoods, they were killing it!
Craps is a negative expectation game. However, I still enjoy the game, hoping that its variance (aka, luck) will favor me despite its negative expectation.
Betting Pass Line with maximum odds is the most enjoyable way for me to play with a minimum negative expectation (Don't Pass has a slight statistical edge, but I don't like betting against the other players.) Betting the Come with odds makes the game even more exciting. The only problem is when you win the booby prize on the Come after filling up the numbers.
Every game in the casino is a negative expectation game. But we play them all anyways! Gotta have the luck, right?
@@SportsBoss999 Poker is not negative ev. (For a few players) 🙂
I think that a better strategy would be to protect your come bet with a field bet
How does a Field bet protect a Come bet?
@@jimklemens5018 you protect it with the same denom as the come bet .so if the roll is a 3 it's a wash of the roll is a 9 you win extra.
@@emoe40 A Field bet doesn't protect the Come bets that have already traveled to their number.
If you want to protect an initial Come bet, it would make more sense to simply make an Any Craps bet for a few dollars.
Any strategy that involves a horn bet or similar, if you’re not betting it every round you’re just wasting your time. If you’re not in on every roll odds are you’re going to miss when the number comes up and instead be throwing your money down a hole most of the time.
If you look back at this video had he been on the horn continuously and followed the strategy on the come I think he would’ve actually made money. I’d have to go back and watch it through a second time but he had quite a few craps numbers that hit when he wasn’t up on it.
I’m not saying that the prop bets are a good bet, but if you’re going that route you’ve got to be fully committed otherwise then it gets to be really terrible because you’re just trying to throw darts at a target you can’t see.
Well, if you bet and win on a horn number you just got lucky. So I would argue betting a high house edge bet on every roll is wasting money. It might be better to have you money at risk less often. By betting every roll, you are assuming that the number is "due" to roll. they are not in fact due to roll, should they roll sometimes, yes, but can make a 100 wagers and they don't show up...so you never know
What an awesome way to lose money in a hurry!
Just depends how the dice roll
@5:13 you hit the 5 with 10 on odds, you say pay 5 and 15 on odds, I think it should be 14 on odds
5/9 pays 3:2 on the odds, odds of $10 would win $15 - you may be confused with place bet odds that pays 7:5, a place bet on 5/9 pays $14 for a $10 bet
Is this the way Dominic LoRiggio bets ?
This video just proves that the only way to win at craps, in the long run, is luck (or a good shooter). Even making smart bets the odds are too stacked against you.
Why do you need to put it on the come? Why can’t you just place your bets on the 6&8?
You can. This is just a different strategy. My channel is about showing options.
You've been hanging around CEG too much haha
What’s the benefit of the come bet?
Why not just play the numbers from the beginning?
The come bets and place bets have two parts which many people don't appreciate when trying to compare them to place bets. On the come out roll at the start of a hand a pass line bet wins (i.e. is fully resolved) on a 7 or 11, and this is the same for a come bet on all rolls after a point is established. Both the pass line and come bets have the opportunity to resolve if the number the bet travels to hits before the seven.
All things considered many people naively compare passline or come bet payouts with place bets without also considering the players advantage on the initial role (8 ways to win vs 4 ways to lose with an even money payout!). If a box number rolls the bet does not win or lose and is not yet resolved, instead it travels to the rolled box number and you now have the opportunity to add free odds which have no house edge. However as with betting to win on any box number you are always at a disadvantage because 7 is the most probable number to roll vs the box number.
Importantly both passline and come bets are contract bets and cannot be removed, however free odds can be removed or added to within the table limits and you can even add to base bet if you wanted to say increase the free odds beyond 2x 3x 4x, however it is always better to go through the come/come-out roll with a larger bet because of the player advantage.
Some people prefer place bets for the additional flexibility to choose a number and take them down or press them up but they carry a higher house edge, especially the 5/9. The 6 and 8 are more favourable in terms of lower house edge but still not as good as a passline or come bet. The 4 and 10 can be bought to lower the house edge somewhat but the vig is still more costly than a passline or come bet that travels to the 4 or 10 even though the payout on the place or buy number hitting is higher, this still doesn't mathematically beat a passline or come bet with its come out advantage.
Overall the math favours passline and come bets over place bets but this isn't the sole consideration for many . Its also worth mentioning that don't pass and dont come are slightly better than their lightside counterparts.
The strategy and style you prefer to play may require place bets but be aware that you can't hand wave the math away... a higher house edge means you are always at a higher disadvantage and this is the tax you pay for flexibility in chosing numbers or to play a certain way.
Andrew Hacking well said. I prefer place bets but you are correct, can’t argue with the math. One way to play is mixing the strategies. Place the 6 and 8 and add a come bet for a hedge on the first roll, then add odds if it goes to a number.
@@Jamzkee84 Yep I have played this way and it has generally worked well. Even place betting the 6/8 working on the come out with a don't pass line bet so that if the DP travels to the 6/8 which more likely to happen and also more likely to be knocked off vs other numbers. This way the DC is already paid for by the first hit and can provide some cover for further action if desired or just wait for it to resolve.
You can remove or regress all place bets or move or regress and move or spread the place bets to other numbers and then make additional come or dc bets as per your preference. When using dc bets you can migrate your place bets from more probable inside numbers to outside on each successive hit until the seven shows or you have all bases loaded with DCs, at least some are paid for and your'e waiting for seven to collect on whatever bets dont get knocked off.
This avoids the typical hedge grinder aka 'blender' nonsense where people place bet against their more advantageous don't bets to make a pittance.
If that 7 rolls on the come out then you lose all bets but its only happens 16.7% of the time. I tend to like my first DP bet to be larger and then use smaller follow up bets so that the action is covered but I do admit that a DP or DC on the 6/8 is not something I feel comfortable with unless the bet is paid for using the 6/8 place approach.
Food for thought even if the math says it isn't 100% optimal, it still isnt giving a lot away and may be more enjoyable depending on your prefernce.
Andrew Hacking maybe try a lay on the 4 or 10 on the come out or once a point is established? I’ve made some comebacks using that strategy. You do have to sacrifice to 5% juice though.
@@Jamzkee84 I admit I have certainly used lay bets when establishing an initial large don't bet to provide some cover against come out sevens. Then I take it down so there is no vig actually paid unless the seven shows or the lay loses.. where I play the vig is payed upfront but like all buy/lays it gets returned if you take the bet down.
However I also like my don't bets to travel to the 4 or 10 so laying these on the come out creates a kind of tension I prefer to avoid, so I just accept that the first don't bet 7 losses rather than fighting it. After the first don't is up it provides cover for additional DC's or whatever wagers I'm making.
I also sometimes do the unspeakable thing and lay all the numbers across so that each lay bet wins $20 on the 7. This work amazingly well on short rolls as you can only lose on average 1/6th of your total bet on the next roll but you win 4 times your average lay bet size when the 7 shows $120. With a very mild progression to keep covering the lays that get knocked off and cover the losses you end up winning a black chip and more on nearly every seven that shows. Just need to stick to your limits and bow out if the hand rolls long due to a sudden hot shooter, or the table "warms up".
I know it sounds like a bold move but when shooter after shooter PSO after 2 or 3 rolls I am more comfortable with laying all numbers across than light side place betting with a whole lot of chips on the line that ALL lose on that seven. Risking 4 or 5 lay bets being knocked down to stay in the hand around 6-8 rolls is for me an acceptable risk when you are winning black chips on seven appearances that mathematically on average are expected every 6 rolls and given there are also the craps and yo (6 combos) that don't hurt you.
Instead of the horn bet the 7 on come out roll
Why not just play the numbers up front instead of playing come with empty #’s? I hope that makes a little sense!🤪
Look you can win every time at craps or lose, there is that much varience to both teams winning. Look the house only has 1.47$ advantage over you for every 100 dollars you gamble with. So if you walk when your up the minimum, you can almost always be a winner. So many times ive scalped 25 to 50 cdn then walked more so then iver ever lost. Bring 500 to the craps table play smart take your bets down after one scalp and leave with a few free drinks. Scalping is the best in craps
Why risk 12 dollars on the horn on the come out? Feels like you're just throwing money at the casino lol, just play a dollar crap every roll if you're playing on a 5 dollar table you are protecting you're come bets cause it pays 7-1
I don’t think it was for protection, I think it was gambling to win more?
I see this a lot in casinos a lot of money at risk and it takes a long time to collect. You have to get a hot roll and at that point it would have been less risky to have done a standard press and collect on a 22 inside.
Also it is kind of pointless to risk so much on only the come out when you are leaving yourself open on every come bet there after. You may as well put less on the horn and do it every roll. Whirl and a Yo ($6) on every bet is a decent hedge.
If the goal is less risk, you might be right.
Still love your content, though!
Jeremy---why the Horn bet? OK...I'm really s_l_o_w....
Also send me that hat!
Hat is free as a green club member
@@ColorUp what if i wrote you a poem? Would you then send it for free?
I’m not that interested in poems.
@@ColorUp What if I helped the Cleveland Browns win a super bowl within the next 8 years?
2 years and you have a deal
seven out. 😢😢😢
Can you say “GRINDER” !!!!!!!
This strategy should be called "fill the pot with my money, then have the casino take it away". Is that too long?
Consider playing the 4,5,9, 10 for $25 each. If the 6,8 or 7 hits, add $25 to each number and when it hits, take it down $25, Try it. You might like it.
@Ken Martin- Ken in your example how are you protected from the 7 wiping you out?
Playing CRAPS is not a guarantee, so when the 7 hits you have to have a plan to get you money back. If you want a for sure deal, send me an email and I will show you something that will give you a retirement and it is growing and insured. But CRAPS is a hit and run operation. Hit make you money, take it down, wait for the next shooter.
@@joev.7909 I believe you can do it with craps, but, a retirement takes a little time depending how much you invest and this is insured. Use craps as a hit and run or you will lose. But also, invest some of tha money. Never put all your eggs in one basket.
@@kenmartin5375 Ken you never told me your email address. I will email you. Thanks!
Why not bet 4 on the horn during a come bet? If they crap out, you at least make back 1/2 of the horn.
Sure..but if the horn doesn’t roll, it’s wasting more money. No right answer, just depends what rolls
The horn is a waste
Proposition bets have always been sucker bets! You throw your trash at the hardways.
Why the Horn Bet ??
Why not?
@@ColorUp just curious if had any strategy behind it. Could substitute this with yo?
thesicilian0ne I don’t remember the video specifically, but if I used the horn, it was to just gain all those outside numbers. It’s not a very good bet, but certainly you could reduce risk a little and just bet the eleven. You are giving up the other numbers, but who knows what will roll next, just a guessing game with those one roll bets.
Reads title of video that's what she said
I like the strategy but damn dice won't cooperate..... story of my life
With only 2x odds, you’d be better off playing Place bets.
You would be payed better, true, come bets have other benefits
I agree
I agree that tables with 2x odds that it would be better to make place bets. However, if your trying to max out low table limits, place bets and come bets will maximize a low limit table. In addition, making place bets and come bets makes the game more exciting as you can have several bets out at a time.
Of you run this system on wincraps pro you will find that it will lose money about 93.7% of the time. By placing the 6/8 or not playing the horn you will increase your odds by about 12%.
Just Saying.
All systems will end up losing on wincraps. Players are hoping for a short term streak of luck to beat the odds.
All systems will lose in the end. But Wincraps will will give you a good idea of what are up against.