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- You SHOULD play Meta Decks in Yu-Gi-Oh. TCG players, Master Duel Players, OCG, everyone should play the highest Tiered decks and climb ladder. So go ahead and put the blue eyes casual deck down and pick up a branded strategy today. You might just learn more about Yu-Gi-Oh than you ever knew.
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i got disqualified for bringing a yugioh deck into a chess tournament, i found this video confusing and not helpful at all
I actually accidentally brought one to a mtg tournament...
I play underpowered decks because no one can understand the satisfaction of building your own deck and beating strong meta decks after so many trial and error with, idk, vampires
Foreal. The feeling of when they attempt to spend the next 15 minutes setting up their OTK just for you to shut it down and the feeling of satisfaction when they rage quit cause they couldn’t do what they do EVERY game.
@@reapertypemoon8464 Yesss. Plus, when I use my vampire deck it's double the raging because I even steal my opponent's monster
Yes. I build my own deck from scratch, and sure I lose alot but when I win…. Man does it feel good lol
My friend is trying to make a vamp deck, do you have a list perhaps for him to learn?
We’ll do I have a surprise for you, you gotta try Suships. By far the most fun deck I’ve built
As much as I'd love to play Tearlaments, there's this tiny lil' problem known as "money"
Building a meta deck costs an arm and half of your innards
But tear… Even in terms of MD, isn’t that expensive- Hell the most expensive tear deck in paper would prob only be 150 or something which will be addressed.
@@ConductorElcrest3 of the field spell is over 150 by itself lmaooo, and thats after all the hits
@@literallygrass1328 You are actually just lying lmaoooo
Why do you feel the need to lie?
The fieldspell is current ten dollars you are actually lying for no reason
I get what you're saying, while a TOP TIER meta deck may cost you more than a mortgage (aka anything using the snake eye engine right now), a tier 2 or 3 meta deck is way more affordable. Last tcg format you were seeing plenty of decks top events within the 100-150$ price range. And obviously for master duel you can basically build any deck for free, even if you need to make a new account.
@@ConductorElcrest Although Pelerino will be reprinted this year, Reinoheart and Kashtira Tearlaments are still expensive as hell
It makes me feel special to play Galaxy-Eyes tho
Y'know whats borderline masochistic? Trying to play the secondary market as to not go bankrupt in your attempts to play the meta.
At least as far as physical Yugioh goes, people often play rogue or non-meta because its cheap. Have you SEEN how much Wanted and Bonfire are???
I don't care about meta, I will keep playing G-Golem and keep trying to make a U-Link
Playing kash branded and wyrm synchro I've learned so much about dueling and how to play the stragety within the game and out like psyching out the foe by throwing more cards to get ash out for more plays and such.
Neat, I like analyzing opponents and shutting down their meta strategies. I grew interested in duelist who have unique strategies/tactics.
I tried branded allright. It lasted a couple games, then i got tired of it and i went back to my Shiranui, never to look back. Guess this stuff is very subjective.
Everyone has their deck. I like Branded very much, but I don't like Diabellastar and Snake-Eyes at all. I donno, it just feels so damn cheap, like it's effortless as an engine. Well, I suppose Branded Fusion is kinda the same, but at least you can counter it with Ash and shut the whole thing down.
I'm that militant casual. The only reason I don't play meta is because I'm loyal to the decks I enjoy. The most fun I have with with YuGiOh is figuring out ways to perform in the latest hell hole of negates with interesting archetypes. I like to compare it with playing your favourite games in Hell difficulty or with mods to make the game more challenging. I don't hate newer games. I just know what i like and I'll play that.
In master duel yes. But paper Yu-Gi-Oh TCG. Hell no! I don't want to be scammed by Komoney by a ban list 6 months after
So don’t be broke.
I play both Rogue snd Meta decks... in Master Duel, where I can acrually afford them.
I remember playing Tri-zoo as my first MD deck, ot really helped me to understand "Modern YGO" and I found 2 new favorite archetypes I still love to this day.
No 🗿
Yu-Gi-Oh is a game that I have a long history with, and while I do find myself having more complaints with it than I did as a child, I still love it all these years later. Not just because of nostalgia, but because of how varied this game can be. My favorite archetypes vary all over the place in terms of quality. Starry Knight a cute little control deck, and it being bad has not stopped me from playing it. At the same time, Spright was meta on release, and yet I love it just as much. Starry Knight tries to get as much mileage from one monster as possible, while Spright gives you access to an entire Level. These decks are complete opposites, yet they are tied together by how well they portray both sides of the game.
I play to have fun. And I like Yugioh. Playing a game I clearly don't like however would be miserable. And I'll keep throwing Cyber Dragons. Even if I lose dozen of matches. Have Branded when I really want to win anyways
I try meta decks but I usually dont like them. If they print ones I like then I'll play them, but the design of most decks I dont like. I admit I'm picky about it, but that's what it is.
Tear format in master duel is one of the ones where I really committed and paid money to make the deck when it came out, and I did enjoy it for a bit but after maybe a few days felt burnt out and frustrated, and people tell me its because I have to get better to enjoy it, so I kept playing, and after a week I felt so burnt out and just felt terrible about the game that I stopped playing altogether until recently. It was just a horrible time and I dont want to go through it again
Hey, it happens. Not every deck will appeal to everyone.
A basic reason why I much rather enjoy playing niche and maybe even BAD decks instead of Meta Decks is a very very simple reason: We know and remember those decks. If I ever feel the need or want to pick them up, I will have almost no problem atleast finding a good guide etc. about it. I know exactly that those decks will not be forgotten and are, based on their time, the Apex of their respected format. I just like to play with decks that are almost non-existent in such formats. Decks that are basically forgotten or just bad. And yea sure, you could call it a Masochistic feeling but in my opinion it's simply fun. I enjoy it, probably more than if I were to pick up RIGHT NOW Fire King/Wanted or try myself on ShS.
But that's just me lol
i just dont have fun playing "good" decks. I'd much rather lose on Reptiliannes than win on shs, it's more enjoyable to me. also alt formats tend to not even feel like the yugioh i know and love at all, so I'd rather avoid those too lol
There is definitely a meta deck that you will like, just really look for it.
Played Swordsoul, Rokket/Borral, TCG Exclusives, Pure Fur Hire (pet deck), Ogdoadic, Codetalker, Tri-bragade, R-Ace, Pure Igknights, Dogmatika, Sprigguns, and Ursarctic. And learned a LOT about how interactions work and some weird design holes in modern cards.
For example:
●Fur Hire taught me early about Chain-Blocking, and correct sequencing.
●Ogdoadic made me learn that a suprising amount of decks loss to Odgoabyss. Quick effect send monsters not SS from GY is really interesting since most power monsters are immune to targeting and D E S T R U C T I O N.
●R-Ace made me learn when to activate what over the other. And to play more passively.
●Rokket/Borral taught me not to over extend. An easy way for your opponent to win is by looking at your deck, and sseing that you have 10-ish cards left.
If i want to play the best deck in the TCG it'll cost me a months rent.
I actually tried picking up and learning a recently meta deck in infernobles, but by the time i began to get familiar with the combos of the deck, they banned isolde and made them no longer meta. I still like to play infern without isolde don't get me wrong, it does make the combos easier afterall, but at that point I'd only be playing them as a pet deck, defeating the purpose of getting them for the meta experience. This is part of the reason people like to play rouge or casual, at least they last longer. Imagine if I had spent $1000+ on one of these newer meta decks, only for them to fall off in a matter of weeks. Just isn't practical.
Definitely. But as a fellow infernoble coper, might I suggest the new flame swordsman stuff? It's pretty good
I only play decks that I like aesthetically or enjoy play-style wise.
But I don't mind to use handtraps or generic negations.
1 point I would like to add to this video is that if you *do* pick up a meta deck make sure to take your time learning your cards and the rules don’t quit just because it’s “too hard” give it some time, it’s how you get good at anything.
I feel like there's a good level of subjectivity to this topic that you only barely touch upon. How much fun someone can have isn't really down to "play the meta, or go play some other game if your non-meta deck gets stomped because there's hundreds of other games for you to play and enjoy". The reality is that sometimes I have to drop my more meta deck in MD because it is starting to bore me just thinking about queueing up for a game with it, and selecting my pet deck and playing that brings me back to liking it. Even if that pet deck of mine gets destroyed and the only fun matches I have is when I go against someone else with a pet deck, the reality is that most of my really interesting and memorable games have happened for me when doing pet vs. pet and seeing how wildly different games can be, because there's so many pet decks out there. When I am playing meta vs. meta, the amount of variance that can be found between different matches is limited, because the amount of decks that are "meta" is much more limited.
Ultimately, HOW you enjoy a game is entirely down to how you enjoy things in general. I'm not here to claim that people who exclusively play meta are having fun wrong either; if playing the meta every format is what makes them have fun then I'm all for it. For added context: I know many people out there who will play games and will "main" a certain character or class. Which is great. Me? I get bored after a couple of games whenever I am trying to main something and stick to it. I need to change up what I'm playing. I need to try wacky stuff even if it means I don't win as much. That factor is there and is undeniable in terms of my own experiences, and it's somewhat weird when someone comes along and tells you you should be going for the most viable strategy every time, otherwise you aren't truly enjoying the current game.
Finally, I do want to be very clear that I agree there are people who can become militant, and that's the case both for meta militants and casual militants. Don't dismiss what makes other people have fun if it's not your cup of tea.
This video is extremely disconnected with the reasons people don't engage with meta decks, I feel. The chess analogy is also pretty bad and doesn't work at all, because chess is a fixed game that's inherently devoid of variance (in the sense of the word as it applies to card games) and has a lot less of a focus on individual player expression. There's some exception like the Hikaru example you gave, but let's be real he's doing that to flex, like you said, he's just that good. Chess is antithetical to the way pretty much every TCG is designed, and at the highest level it's often times a game of how good your wrote memorization is, which isn't really true of how yugioh is played at a high level.
There are a myriad of factors that incentivize people to stick with a pet deck or rogue option they really enjoy like the art and lore of the cards, the unique play styles certain decks afford, the price of new meta staples and engines, and the breakneck pace of releases that causes a constant rush to keep up with the metagame - these are factors that chess is completely devoid of.
Yugioh is an awesome game with thousands upon thousands of different cards and options available to people, and players simply don't want to limit themselves to the small pool of overpriced / overpowered cards that fit into the box of the metagame and competitive viability, and that's a good thing, because the game would be a hell of a lot more boring if everyone did.
You say that people should look at formats where people share their ideas of what the game should be, like Edison, or GOAT format, but what you seem to not be grasping is that the rogue / bottom tier deck playerbase is just another example of this. I play my bad rogue decks against OTHER bad rogue decks and have a blast, and if I take that deck into a space where I'll be potentially facing against meta, I understand that I'm at a disadvantage and I don't really mind it, I know what I'm signing up for. Most of us aren't here to bash meta players or hate on people for being competitive, we simply play what we like and don't really care about conforming to meta. I say this as somebody that primarily plays rogue decks and occasionally dabbles with meta decks that actually strike my fancy when the other factors that interest me happen to line up with decks that are meta, such as art style, lore, how interesting the deck is to pilot and make decisions with, and so on.
You should make a response video to this. I like how you structured your argument.
I honestly think that this video is moreso directed to pet deck players who hate modern Yu-Gi-Oh without having given it a real try - people who fail to understand that playing a 2008 outdated piece of garbage competitively is a bad idea, and then complain that the game went to shit because they refuse to even attempt to comprehend what the game has become.
And what's the best way to get acquainted with the modern game? Playing a deck that's either currently meta, or was meta not so long ago (and wasn't hit so hard to the point of becoming unrecognizable). They don't even need to burn their cash for it either, like everyone and their mother is mentioning on the comments - simulators like EDO and Omega (and DN, I guess) exist, are free and are fully automated, to boot. DB is also an option if they're mainly a paper player, too.
If they are completely able to get a grasp of the current game, while also understanding that playing rogue vs meta is more often than not end with the rogue getting vaporized, then they have no business playing meta if they don't want to. Though it might still prove useful in order to learn what those deck are capable of, assuming they're facing them in a consistent basis.
Yeeeeah
Playing Tearlaments in this current state of MD has really been eye opening for me. I missed full power tear in MD (which was still nerfed compared to actual full powered tear) but current tear in it's gambling state makes games so incredibly fun since almost every game I have to adjust the lines I follow and how I play against the opponents cards based on what is milled and drawn. It's so fun to actually interact against the opponent multiple times in a turn and have to actually think on each interaction. Having the power to actually play against the meta and not getting killed by 1 or 2 hand traps actually makes the game feel pretty open and engaging.
id honestly love to play meta decks but i love having the feeling od making your own homebrewed deck style but only for it to get pumbled by Kashtira and branded, it is just not a fun feeling seeing everyone play the same deck like drones
I don't mind playing meta decks, I just hate that almost every meta deck just ends up with the same pool of 20 or so extra deck monsters
As a casual player which only occasionally goes to locals and actually won a couple, I have been playing Weather Painters for more than a year and are having so much fun with it. It's a shitty deck for sure, and nearly not as good as meta decks, but the theme, card arts, and gameplay of the deck are so fun imo. That's why I play it
I understand super heavy and mathmech, but I don’t think you can really call tear a “spit out as many negates as possible deck” even in md
I play what I get from f2p pulls, and Generate from Season Pass
And Solo Mode rewards, of course!
I'm not playing 10 daily hours so I don't expect to hit Diamond
I'm doing Missions and making Decks work!
Yes, that's two BACKUP SQUAD I ended my turn with. Your move!
Playing the current event without most handtraps like maxx-c, ash and called by on both sides feels soooo much better. The current event really shows how the game could feel without all those generics. So yea... meta is still the problem if you just wanna play the game. If Konami would go forward making that bannlist the TCG one - hell yea, I'm all for it. :D
My issue is that I can't play meta decks because of price. And then on top of that I already have trouble playing irl
No >:(
5:05 heck there are even other alternative formats to try besides retro ones. I am in a Legacy Pack-Only Format Discord Server (A format where only cards from Master Duel Legacy Pack are legal) and the format is actually quite fun and diverse.
I've joined more niche formats like Ever-changing (daily car rotation) and Garbo (what it says in the name) formats.
I don't even differentiate between meta, rogue, t0, tn, t1 and so on. Even people that follow the meta (and have success doing so) acknowledge that the pie chart is outdated the moment it is released or at least after the next tournament. There are multiple factors
- Handtrap/boardbreaker interactions and similar tech cards that behave like rock-paper-scissors get switched out; drastically changing the rankings of decks due to what you'd need to play then and the synergy of those cards with the in-archetype cards
- new releases; new cards can just change everything
- removal of surprise factor (which can cause a chain reaction, see the first "-" point)
I just don't bother. Going from an old* to a new deck that combos even if it isn't considered a combo deck by the community is enough if you don't want to swap decks with the same regularity as the meta changes.
* I specifically mean unupgraded old decks, like Structure Decks from decades ago
It is extremely funny to me that you mentioned Penguins being a deck to not play as yiu climb to Master 1, because I've been playing that deck and having a win loss ratio of 8/2
I play rogue mixed with meta so it's viable. Spright is extremely good at this. This isn't really a good example because this became a meta variant, but fur hire spright was one deck I played through tear format and it helped me top consistently. Another weird variant that works surprisingly well is Cyber Angel/Herald + Spright. All the cyber angel searchers and diviner of the herald are level 2
4:21 😠😠😠 how dare you include tears in the list of lame cookiecutter negate fiestas?? You'll be hearing from my lawyers
So very true! I was writing this exact premise of a comment when I saw yours.
@@IC-23 I was being a bit facetious with my phrasing but I legitimately disagree with its inclusion.
I guess it varies a lot by build since it's so unstandardized right now but at least for my build a good hand ends on something like rulkallos + DPE + trap card, nothing oppressive
as a 1400 elo chess player I can tell you that I have sworn off D4
I'm kinda happy my pet deck, Blackwing, is genuinely a rogue deck in modern play. It mostly always has been since it fell off meta after SJC Edison. Currently It's one of them combo decks that just cooks when going first, and kinda struggles to string anything together against an established board.
That said, I've been enjoying Fire King and can't wait to get my hands on the PHNI cards it uses.
My only problem running meta as a ftp player is if i make a meta deck and it gets hard nerfed i cant just make the new meta deck because I already spent all my resources on the last deck
Its not that I don't wanna play meta decks, its that I don't have all the resources for meta decks. I look at superheavy ftk or whatever and I am missing crucial cards for the deck that I just don't have an at the moment can't get. I would like to play superheavy but I can't at least right now.
In that case you can try playing it in another ygo simulators (Edopro, Ygo Omega, Dueling Nexus, Duelingbook), you can make the deck without the cost and Ygo Omega has the master duel banlist (if thats what you play).
@@alotan5206 thats true thats true just thought id mention my mindset I guess when I am playing master duel.
@@dallasjones523 Ok, I was just saying or trying to help. It also happens with me, mainly because when I finally grind enought to craft a Meta deck, some key card gets banned and thats a lot of wasted time.
I play decks if i like the artwork or lore good or bad. Luckily for me, the last two that i played were also really good being purrely and snake eye
Some cards in Meta decks can be expensive that includes the staples cards that have even the commons of them costing a lot to obtain.
Thus I play the waiting game as I wait for reprints and card prices to go down and sure I could play Meta but why pay hundreds of dollars for cards that will eventually get a price cut later on?
Still with a lot of cards there are a ton of them to try out.
bro really showed a d4 opening while saying "e4 is pretty much played by everyone"
I played Superheavy Samurai because its my favorite deck and before SHS got the support I hated meta decks and after seeing SHS getting the custom card pendulums and my favorite deck becoming meta as a engine was sad and funny. My favorite deck became the same thing I swore not to play. However, I later tried those powerful SHS boards and the satisfaction of Scythe-lock was amazing. That day I only swore to play the OP SHS version when im in a bad mood and keep playing my casual Vernusylph SHS deck
You know, I would've loved to play branded to play with my favorite archetype for the past 10 years, but turns out since I just reinstalled MD for the first time since around its release, the main cards are fucked on the banlist (fusion, opening on 1 and aluber on 2) so I don't even get to play it unless I have to fully commit to it.
I would love to play more Sunavalon/Sunvine but it's... eh.
I kinda enjoyed Drytron and made a weird Nekroz version which worked really well, I liked PePe, but overall it's an engine that works with other things, or it's genuinely just an interesting archetype to play, yes I'll play it. Preferably mixing it with the things I like to play. (Shaddolls for Fusion/Graveyard effects, Nekroz for Ritual-type decks, Astograph for Pendulum decks etc.)
A lot of the decks that are meta, just aren't that interesting/fun, that's it. You could use tealaments, but no matter how strong it is, milling is just not a fun mechanic to me, it's why I didn't play lightsworn with it at the time. Desires? Great card, but no thanks, I'd rather have an upstart than just roll a dice basically.
You should play the meta deck.
Me: Meh.
Keith: I rather go to hell.
Nope. I'm ok with my simorghs.
Ah Sarcasm
Speaking of branded. Why is the fusion at 1 when tear Kash and insert third meta deck here got to run wild for so long before being weakened?
We talking master duel?
Not like we have a choice.
Nah i like my rokket red-eyes deck it makes me feel special
Meta decks takes the fun out of this game. Because there's nothing more enjoyable than waiting 10 minutes for someone to go through half their deck to summon 5 monsters with over 3000 attack points then come my turn and I use dark hole and they quit immediately afterwards
This is what i would say, if you playing on Master Duel, i would recommend playing at least one meta deck, But then eventually build a deck you really like first or after cause meta is there on master duel for rank and what ever. In IRL though i recommend building your fav deck. Locals aren't as cancer as regionals so you might have more fun playing what you love rather than "meta" and many older decks still do a lot.
Yeah, one problem with that; I ain't made of money. If anyone wants to go for meta, you gotta fork over the dough or else.
You portrayed the reasons why people like to play nonmeta decks poorly. there is more to it than hating the meta or nostalgia bait. which confuses me on what your target audience for this video is, but I see where you are coming from
I get what you're saying but comparing YGO to Chess is straight up delusional 😂
Do you know why? Because the Chess doesn't have a powercreep problem unlike YGO. The meta in Chess could be found ONLY within the realm of *Shannon's number*
But in YGO, the meta ALWAYS revolves around a new busted archetype support upon release that compliments to their respective decks.
If only YGO was made with equal variance for every decks out there, then we would have a discussion. For example, if Konami made each deck with *ONLY 1* omni-negate monster or an omni-negate S/T then that would be a good thing because each deck had the capacity to oust each other in a duel.
But wait, its just one problem to consider because you have to know that each deck in existence *MUST be always equal in terms of:*
1. Draw power
2. Special summon enabler
3. "x" number of GY effects enabler
4. "x" number of Banish effects enabler
5. "x" number of negates
6. "x" number of Speed Spell 1
7. "x" number of Speed Spell 2
8. "x" number of Speed Spell 3
9. "x" number of Speed Spell 4
10. "x" number of Ritual, Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, Pend, Link support
11. "x" number of staples that supports the deck
Then it could be truly called equal, mathematically speaking. The only variance that would happen is your drawing hand because the randomness starts there but if every facet of dueling features was fixed with what I said above, then there's nothing to worry about because its all equal anyways. Its the same in Chess, the only variance that happens within that game is whether you start FIRST or SECOND and thus going back to your argument, which is the OPENING MOVE.
I will attest after only barely getting master 4 with DDD that switching to shs has made my life so much better. I make master 1 in 2 days now with ease. I love DDD, but it's no tier 1.
Yeah D/D/D is so fun but far from perfect or even remotely tiered, but it's fun and at LEAST decent.
I love Yugioh!
Great video. When i came back to yugioh a little over 2 years ago i did so trying to use blue eyes and cydra, on a whim i made Drytron in master duel and had a blast learning what moderb Yu-Gi-Oh actually was.
Nowadays im a huge fan of Tear and Vanquish Soul and wouldnt have gotten here if i just stayed stubborn trying to win games by ignoring what the game had become.
That is fine and all to be meta. But I just want to have reason to run DMG, so I play DM deck and I lose 9 out of 10 times.
I don't hate meta decks, just hate to face mirror match.
I never play meta lol i only play hard combo deck's like d/d/d synchron pendulum magician dracoslayer majespecter
I still think anime decks are more fun. That is why I prefer Duel Links. In Duel Links Dark Magician and Blue Eyes are meta decks. I currently have a deck where I have Neos Wiseman in a Dark Magician deck in Duel Links. The only brick in the deck is Yubel.
I dont like playing meta cause its to expensive I prefer to just use a good rogue deck but I could play meta online tho
5:17 bro who made graceful charity hot?
In master duel this is pretty valid due to how easy it is to get gems but irl this isn't in reach of allot, if not most, players due to price. Overall though good video, just shoulda thrown an olive branch to my fellow poors.
3 seconds in and I already feel insulted.
Nah but for real, I won't ever play meta decks cuz I feel like most meta decks are just the ones that won tournaments. Like, this isn't my deck, this the deck that someone else made, and that same someone won with it. Even if I win with the deck, I didn't really win, the guy who created the deck did, I'm just an extension of him. There's no "me" in this. Of course, learning the deck takes some skill, but with how the meta evolves and the powercreep that comes with it, the skill level needed gets lower. And on top of that, there's no attachement to meta decks. Once the next format arrives, your top tier deck gets kicked out and you gotta chase the new top tier. I'd much rather play the deck I spent time building and win with it. Even more so when winning with what I created feels that good.
At the end of the day, I play Yu-Gi-Oh because I want to have fun my way. I don't want to use someone else's skills, I want to use mine.
No Everyone should be using their favorite deck
agree, i play for fun lair of darkness and traptrix or rikka, but ofc my labrynth is just good right now, also you can modify a lot of things so it's not boring + you rank as you should
I'm not a Kevin Tewart shill.
My philosophy goes as follows, if you hate a deck, play it.
If you absolutely despise an archetype or group of cards, abuse them, slot them into quite literally anything you can think of, as many pieces as you can.
Why? By playing in official circuits, Konami and Co will see.
The second they see your niche forgotten deck is slotting whatever hyper meta tier whozamawhatzit of the week, they'll think 'oh shit, they weren't meant to play it that way' or 'Melodius Snake-Eyes Turbo???' They'll see how out right nefarious certain problem cards can be.
Will you win? Probably not.
Will it suck for a while? Certainly.
But you'll send a message, and when they receive it they'll hit card after card until it's a problem no more.
Until about 5 years down the line where the rest of the game's crept up to that level anyway.
The ONLY thing I play with SOME META ( some are not my playstyle so I can't stand to even learn them) is to learn how they function so I can use a rogue strategy to counter them. I don't enjoy maining a meta deck cause it's not realistic to me in reality. I would never play them cause I would never pay to play those type of decks. Too costly
Great video, about to play some burning abyss rn
Why i play rogue deck ever cause i can play 😂 My Main Deck is ABC I playing this deck Lol😂
Unban meow-meow and I will gladly play my Meta Prank-Kids fun, also comparing Yugioh to Chess when it comes to meta is absurd when 1 game has the same board for hundreds of years and the other bans meow-meow to make money because the deck was inexpensive and flexible with some solid strengths and they wanted to sell new cards lol. Chess cant ban horse to make pawn better (I dont play chess)
Meta decks are expensive tho
20 seconds in and I'm dying already 😂
Meh, screw meta decks.
I'll continue using Rokket dragon pile even with Wyverburster being gutted.
(Saying this I have a Mannadium deck. I just need enough UR for the Scareclaw part....)
Okay. I'll play meta. Anyone wanna spot me the $600+ it take to buy those 65 shiny cardboard rectangles? No? Didn't think so. Apologies for having a life. If I'm gonna spend 60% of my paycheck on some shiny cardbpard, it's gonna be for actual collectors cards that won't tank in value in a handful of weeks.
I would play Meta, but the fact that, and as you metioned in at the start of the video, Konami neuters them when everybody starts complaining and whining about them is a big turn off for me. Specially when you gotta spend your hard earned dust on it, So no thanks.
Surely these meta decks are cheap
In master duel? Yeah
The problem with Yugioh is not its competitive aspect. I find it boring, it's a personal opinion. but I see the appeal behind it. The real problem with Yugioh relies in the fact it has no (ZERO) ways to appeal to the casual audience. It's like you wanted to play Mtg Commander format, but all there is are infinite combos and turn 3 wins. In Yugioh, even not considering meta decks, there are so many pushed staples and moder cards for archetypes that every game is just turn 1 set an unbeatable board, set 2 realize your deck cannot win through that if not for the hard drawn pushed board equalizer and the game ends there, with very little skill expression, or ways to have fun interacting with the opponent in a game that sets its basis on this concept.
I just hope, with the release of today's 25th anniversary animation, Konami will start a Duel Terminal lore animation that will attract new and returning casual players, forcing Konami to make a new format based on the principles I mentioned earlier
I think for me, its just that Master Duel doesnt have any other readily accessible modes. I would love to have a mode to try to learn and play GOAT format, or Eddison, or anything, but they dont have any of those, and even if they did, they'd either not be permanent, or they wouldnt offer gems.
I personally think the Yu-Gi-Oh/Chess conversation is kind of flawed at its core too, just because yugioh is constantly evolving, and rules are always being changed. E4 has been known for longer than ive been alive, and its not like the rules of chess are constantly being changed to make E4 harder to pull off. There is no eddison format of chess.
I like making weird and wonderful decks that are really in tune with their own appearances and vibes, and sometimes that works wonders, other times it shoots myself in both feet, and then my knees as well.
I have no problem with people playing meta, but i think the core problem is that MD especially isnt locals. Youre not just interacting with someone and both trying to have fun and make friends. Its inherently competitive, and you need to climb ranks to get gems, which youll need even if youre just wanting to make a casual deck for friends.
Im only pretty new to Yu-Gi-Oh, but i just wish the fun and interesting and unique decks could have their own place too, rather than the bottom of the trash bin, ya know?
I wish it was easier to get a feel for how a deck plays. I get stuck playing whatever fusion deck is meta because I don't exactly know how other strategies are supposed to work outside of turn one combos
I understand the arguments here. I know it takes more skill to know when to negate something then it may seem to the naked eye, but hear me out.
I think the chess analogy speaks to why people, my self included do not like decks that are overly played in the Meta. In chess it is understood that everyone has the same pieces, they always start with the same pieces, those pieces can only move identically to each other, the only difference is how each person plays. This is inherently not the case for trading card games, nor should it be in my opinion. It defeats the purpose of such a game when everyone has over 25% of their deck using the exact same staple cards. At that point there is no reason for the game to be a trading card game, at that point just make a table top game where both players have the exact same deck.
Variety is the key to a healthy card game, there should not be a card or archetype that is automatically better then everything else. Yes, while power creep is a thing, and one can not really stop that from happening. No deck should have over a third of all players using it, no single card should have over 80% of all players using it, let alone multiple cards all being ran at three copies. There should be a variety of different archetypes that all have their strengths and weaknesses regardless of what they are playing against. Just like in the chess analogy if there is one move, or in this case one deck that has the highest chance of victory, you either play that deck or you lose and again, that kills the idea of a card game where everyone should have their own unique likes and dislikes.
The fact there are games, no matter what the chances are, where a player can lose before they even get to have a turn is just inherently not good design. With or without the proper hand traps, this makes the game more reliant on luck then skill. Do you have the proper hand traps in your deck? Yes? Well I hope you drew them on your first turn or the chance is you just sit there and do nothing while your opponent plays solitaire for 10minutes and you just lose. Alternatively, you could draw nothing but hand traps, and go first, resulting in your opponent who would have more resources with the draw for going second to exhaust your supply and just win that way. Either way the design boils down to luck being more of a factor to your victory then it really should be.
No thanks, I'll stick with not being bored. (My response to anyone suggesting i play the same decks that everyone and their grandma plays)
Where is your creativity?
No
Way to watch the video 👏
last time I forced myself to play a good deck sword soul was meta, it was so awful and boring I had to add some zefraa cards to make it tolerable.
now I just play my rouge decks and enjoy the rare instance when I out grind the good decks and I am not asking for more.
Gee maybe we would, if we could afford them….
its about md
I will say for me its less about whether its meta or not, moreso if it gets me excited. For newer modern decks its hard to put a finger on it, but two meta decks that does get me excited to play it is Silenforcers/Voiceless Voice and Fire Kings.
The first was due to "Saffira, Queen of Dragons," my favorite pet ritual monster of all time, finally being playable; but after playing with the deck, seeing the new boss monster, interactions the deck have; everything about it really, I genuinely love the deck as a whole and not just, "im playing this cause Saffira".....although I still def use her and she puts in work
Fire Kings on the otherhand; I played them back in 2013/15 and thanks to the deck they were arguably my fav timespan in yu gi oh; so when they got new support I was on the deck day 1; and I love every second playing it. I should note though im not a fan of the snake eyes hybrid, I play them mostly pure (I use the Dialbellestar package) because I love the more flexible midrange playstyle it has whereas snake eyes is combo focused with a higher cieling.
Before all of this I was playing Madolches for 4 years straight and you can imagine how that goes; high highs and low lows; but I still loved the deck and they gave me an amazing time overall so I dont regret it.
my reasoning for playing rogues/tier 3= it's just too boring to win playing top tier decks, there is no merit in that
There's also no merit in shooting yourself in the foot for no reason in Master Duel ladder
@@malevolenceygo249 my man, you are playing with Maxx C out of the banlist, how the fuck can you take this format so seriously?
@@xmangle5382 I don't. Never said I did. Why would you knowingly play a shitty deck and then complain about it? You casual elitists make no damn sense.
@@xmangle5382 If you're gonna play rogue, you should fully expect to be at a disadvantage and you have to plan around it to be successful. I play and top with rogue decks a lot, and never bitch and moan when I lose.
@@malevolenceygo249Except he isn’t lol. He says it’s boring. And it is. Sorry that some people don’t like solitaire.
Absolute BANGER as always!
One your best videos yet :)
I've never seen a game with more "militant casuals" as you dubbed it. It really is a bizzare thing coming from something like hearthstone or even valorant. I attribute it to the anime background of the game.
Definitely. A lot of people identify with "their archetype" and as a result many casuals see people who play meta as soulless ghouls because they're all on the same deck
@@malevolenceygo249 It's simple really, most players fell in love with the game at a specific era. Any change to that part of yugioh they fell in love with is like losing their beloved tcg piece by piece.
While you can play older formats, the community isn't as big.
I started master duel as a DM enjoyer. Then I mixed DM with branded and realized I just wanted to play branded so I switched and learned that deck. It’s helped me enjoy the game more competitively
i play meta, rouge decks and also have done some of the most unhinged ftks like resolve spyral assault uninterrupted through arcana the world effect or final countdown ftk
rouge and alt wincon decks are fun but man meta decks is the most real yugioh and no other cardgames compare to it
When the top meta decks in a format are Midrange, I'm in paradise lmao
Hey brother other is always up their. Look you can’t not make me spend a ton of money and you CANNOT make me not play salad.
I’m fine with dragon link, thanks