You can actually connect your graphics card directly to CPU PCI-E lanes by using a M.2 to PCI-E adapter. You will only get x4 lanes but it will still be faster than the chipset lanes
How about the x16 lane from chipset? Does it slower than the x4 from CPU? I thought it should be the same as the x16 from cpu as they are both x16???? Sorry if my question is dump.
I bought the 125W TDP version ( QXJE) for 270 dollars and I’m not really using it for gaming I just wanted to upgrade my home server from 6 cores to 16 cores 24 threads. Gaming performance doesn’t really matter to me I just needed more cores for proxmox for all the VMs I’m running 16 cores for under 300 dollars on the latest platform is what I was going for
I am sorry to say, but it was a very unreasonable decision. Core i7-12700(k) is available for similar price with better performance, even though it has fewer cores.
@@Miyconst true the standard 12700K will have faster single core performance but tbh I’d rather have more cores to spread across my VMs than have faster single core performance, I have a windows 10 VM running game servers, truenas running my network storage and media servers and a Linux VM to learn Linux. I’m also working on a MAC VM. I get single core performance will help but I believe more cores to spread across the VMs will help more in the long term
I wonder if it is usable on some higher end boards (think MSI MPG) that have two PCIE X16 slots that run at X8 each both connected to CPU not PCH. But probably wouldn’t make sense anyway.
Thanks for the video, I am planning to buy one with Asrock B660MPro, but after watching your video, I am doubt if I really want to go ahead, I have 2 choices: QXQ3 with Asrock B660MPro (with 2 PCie Lan), and another option will be i9-9900k with MSI Z370M, price difference is about 75USD, what will you recommend?
@@Miyconst I wouldn't suggest it is worth it just that it might be an option if someone already had one of these and couldn't return it. But if there aren't gen4 than probably not worth it anyways. I do wonder though, why this would have no x16 slot support of any pcie generation, and if this is a rule or by chance that this sample was worse than others. Usually ES chips have this basic functionality even if other features are disabled.
@@eclipsegst9419 this is a rule, and unfortunately all ES options of 12th gen I have seen have PCI-E 5.0 lanes disabled. There might be some other samples, like Qualification Samples (QS) with PCI-E 5.0 enabled, but so far, what I see, and what my contacts from China say, the ones available on AliExpress don't have PCI-E 5.0 support, these lanes are physically absent in these samples. I might be wrong, but that's what I was able to gather for now.
I upgraded the f8 bios to an official version of huananzhi's own website. The bios is dated December 2021 and has now even included an official huananzhi boot logo. But I miss the turbo boost unlock and miyconst mods. Do you have any tutorial to configure the bios like in your mods? Thanks!
Miyconst. boa tarde, sairam os processadores I9 13900 ES Q0L4 na Aliexpress, por acaso já testou algum? Teriam os mesmos problemas do i9 13900es que está desabilitado o PCI-Ex16 principal? Grato
All of these 12th gen ES CPUs have disabled primary PCI-E lanes. It doesn't matter if you try to use PCI-E 3.0/4.0/5.0, these lanes are physically missing.
You need to check the diagram of the motherboard. If the x16 slot is connected to the PCI-E 5.0 lanes of the CPU but speed limited to PCI-E 4.0, it still won't work.
Hi, ordered this without understanding the problem. Now need to return the board/cpu. Will it perform good in games with a board like this: MSI pro B760-p ddr4. If I understand this board includes a second pcie4 x16. Please advice. Thanks
i bought cpu online, the price is very cheap,, some how i just realize that my i9 12900 is Qxq3.. very sad... clock speed only 1.2ghz... btw, it is ok for editing? anyone here using it for editing. adobe after effect, premiere or photoshop.. how about its performance, its is ok?
I found this video very helpful. I am now considering to buy this cpu (QXQ3) and make it my main computer. I heard that some B660 motherboards have the ability to change the CPU clock. Using this I am thinking of using the same clock as the production version. Also, the motherboard I am buying has two pcie x16 slots. Would I still be better off with another cpu?
I have this. Procesador de CPU Core i9-12900K ES QX7E, 1,8 GHz, 8P + 8E, 16 núcleos, 24 hilos, 30MB, 125W, LGA1700. All my motherboard are updated. Wich BIOS has your motherboard msi z690A ddr4 ? my gigabyte and Asus z690 not work with updated BIOS. Or is other problem? 12600 kf and 12700kf. Works
@@Miyconst Please Miyconst. What is your date and number of BIOS used at your motherboard msi z690A pro ddr4 Its posible to me to purchases one used near me... With garanty and return ..is posible downgrade BIOS if necessary? Thanks in advance
What happened to this CPU of yours in the year since making the video? Did you sell it? I have the idea to buy and slap one of the ES2 12900/K(F)/12700/K(F) CPUs into an Asus H610T D4-CSM ITX board. I am not sure if bios would even support the pre-C0 stepping chips, but pros if it works: lots cheaper than retail CPUs, board has SO-DIMM DDR4 so weak D5 IMC wouldn't matter, it has IGP only, so lack of CPU PCI-E wouldn't matter. How does my idea sound? Am I missing something?
I have sent the CPU back to China and got a refund. Your idea is good in theory, how it's gonna work out on practice only tests can tell. The CPU may work, but IMC frequency might be pathetically low and that results in pathetic memory performance.
Hi. I'm from Vietnam.Is it possible to use B660 Aorus Mater ddr4 motherboard? it has 1 PCIE 4.0 slot in the first place. Is it possible to use VGA in that slot?
May I ask if the main MAG B660M MORTAR DDR4 can handle i9 12900f es? I can downgrade the tdp in the mainboard, because i9 12900f es is very cheap I can buy it for about 80$ I want to use it temporarily until I swap to i5 13400. Thank you very much
@@Miyconst I have seen some people using this mainboard with i9 12900f full box and it works, but cpu es I don't know, some people say need to mod bios with asus and asrock mainboard, thanks for your answer I'm afraid that vrm and phase are not enough but with your answer I think I can try it.
Hello I'm just need good processor, i don't need graphics card, so this CPU is good for me. So QXQ3 tdp 160watts at full load? i already have b660m PRO RS, is good for QXQ3 load 90% 24/7?
@@Miyconstthank you for your video! I bought a pc with this chip and a Rtx 3090. Motherboard is a MSI PRO Z690-P DDR4. Do You think is worth trying a fix or will be just more efficient to buy another chip to not waste the rtx? Thank you in advance for your availability!
@@yoshimitsu1977 it really depends on how much you have paid for the PC, replacing the CPU is an easy task, but you have already overpaid because it's RTX 3090, then it makes no sense to keep the PC.
@@Miyconst thank you for the answer! I bought the pc for around 1500 dollars, everything else seems legit so, sorry to ask again and the stupid question , should I change the CPU with a legit Intel? And then finally be an happy pc owner :)
The i9 12900 es now has dropped down to 100 bucks, compared to i9 13900 es still above 300$. It's it worth? Cause for 100$ i only can get i3 12100 or 150$ for i5 12400f
@@Miyconst Я так понимаю, это либо купить на будущее и ждать когда на руках карта с pcie 5.0 будет, либо может китайцы придумают мод прошивки под эти процы
@@Captain-love I don't think Intel does it to waste money, it's needed for verification and validation of the production line. If a hidden flaw slips in and then Intel is sued by large server providers, they will lose way much more money.
@@Miyconst I'm considering a PC in the NZXT H1 and I'm thinking of Intel's 11th gen or 12th gen, and this proscor is nice in terms of price. Thank you for the information.
@@michaszek9939 why do you think this disabled engineering sample is nice in terms of pricing? The price and performance is very similar to i5-12600k, but i5 is fully functional and comes with much stronger IPC, while the QXQ3 has PCI-E 5.0 lanes disabled and much lower turbo frequency.
Hello how are you? Could you explain me better about PCIE 5.0? I'm interested in the 12900k es, a processor that runs at 5.2ghz, as opposed to the 12900es locked at 4.6ghz. But I still don't understand the issue of the video card, the advertisers say that it doesn't work on the first PCI 5.0 SLOT. But it works on the other 4.0 and 3.0. The performance difference between 5.0 and 3.0 video cards today is minimal, not even 5%. Is that just the problem with this ES processor?
This is a problem of all 12th gen ES CPUs as far as I know. In this case this is not a simple PCI-E 3.0 vs PCI-E 5.0 comparison. The disabled lanes are connected to the CPU, while the extra lanes are connected to the chipset, so the graphics card gets extra communication latency, since the signal travels through the chipset. Also, motherboards with two PCI-E X16 slots are rare and expensive, thus I see zero point in these ES chips, unless the price drops below the floor.
@@Miyconst Even better than the 12900k? Where would the ryzen 5800x be better? I play a lot of emulator on pc, I see that most of them are more adapted to intel processor. I have a lot of doubt, the IPC of the 12900k is a monster.
@@CarFlightGamesCFG Core i9-12900k and i9-12900k ES are two different CPUs. If you are talking about the final retail version of the i9 - then it's better than Ryzen 7 5800X.
@@Miyconst these chinese motherboards are made from recycled servers and workstations parts cmiiw. unlike the originals workstations that support headless operation, it has custom BIOS, which I couldn't find info whether it has headless capabilities or not.
@@miongklok some of the boards can work headless, others don't, you need to verify each motherboard individually. For many Huananzhi boards there is a BIOS from iEngineer, which I think, can work headless.
@@toxinamortal4991 the 11th gen ES CPUs have issues with IMC / Cache clock frequency and PCI-E revision on many motherboards. Often PCI-E gets stuck at PCI-E v1.1 and cache frequency gets stuck at 1.5-1.7 GHz, this damages performance a lot.
@@Miyconst I see, I thought it would be problematic in the matter of burning or something! Sorry for my English, but I'm Brazilian and I don't speak it fluently.
It genuinely makes no sense how the CPU is consuming 160 watts to render a cinebench score of only 18,000 when the 12900T renders a score nearly 4000 points better with a 35w TDP.
i buy the a cheaper one, 12600 ES work fine on the second PCIE SLOT for gaming and i get 165 fps+ stable on competitive graphics fornite apex and get 120 fps on 1080p final fantasy remake high 1080p, if someone is looking for cheaper gaming like me, I haven't tried warzone or pubg yet
@@Miyconst No, I bought this processor when the Intel 12 hadn't arrived in my country yet, for 150 Euros, it wasn't such a bad option, that's what I was referring to.
@@lm_h It's been good. I use mine for my home server as well. My sample is limited to 3.2Ghz all core boost and is not stable past 2666Mhz. The 10C 20T is great and the iGPU works flawlessly for transcoding.
Thanks for this video to remind people about Engineering Samples, also take your time in your short break/vacation.
Per usual, concise and thorough research and observations. Well done Mi8
Thank you, much appreciated.
Thanks for video! I guess Buying ES of New architecture, without waiting for someone to test it is bad idea...
Very well said.
Good video as always! the price was to good to be true, if it had at least 3.0 16x in primary pci-e it would be worth it
Yes, I agree.
@Dr-SphigleMann no playing games out of working hours?
@Dr-SphigleMann U dont want to, thats all wright.
You can actually connect your graphics card directly to CPU PCI-E lanes by using a M.2 to PCI-E adapter. You will only get x4 lanes but it will still be faster than the chipset lanes
That's true, I thought to explore this option if Chinese would refuse a return, but I was the AliExpress dispute and the CPU went back to China.
How about the x16 lane from chipset? Does it slower than the x4 from CPU? I thought it should be the same as the x16 from cpu as they are both x16???? Sorry if my question is dump.
@@KatodeDevilus It will be faster than the cpu but the latency will be higher as it has to go two places instead of one in the case of cpu lane
Thanks for checking this ES out for us! :)
You are very welcome.
@@Miyconst hello what would happen if we plug riser to m.2 slot and plug gpu to it?
thanks for your time and Merry christmas
This review saves my money. Thanks!
You are very welcome!
Ok, muito obrigado, vamos aguardar. Caso teste algum, não hesite seus comentários que são muito importantes para a comunidade. Um abraço;
I bought the 125W TDP version ( QXJE) for 270 dollars and I’m not really using it for gaming I just wanted to upgrade my home server from 6 cores to 16 cores 24 threads. Gaming performance doesn’t really matter to me I just needed more cores for proxmox for all the VMs I’m running
16 cores for under 300 dollars on the latest platform is what I was going for
I am sorry to say, but it was a very unreasonable decision. Core i7-12700(k) is available for similar price with better performance, even though it has fewer cores.
@@Miyconst true the standard 12700K will have faster single core performance but tbh I’d rather have more cores to spread across my VMs than have faster single core performance, I have a windows 10 VM running game servers, truenas running my network storage and media servers and a Linux VM to learn Linux. I’m also working on a MAC VM. I get single core performance will help but I believe more cores to spread across the VMs will help more in the long term
You can get those now for 160, but the question is? Does it run Crysis?
Miyconst, boa noite você já conseguiu testar algum i9 13900es ou 13900k es? já saiu no Aliexpress?
Asus Prime Z690M Plus has the second x16 slot connected to Gen 4 x4 on the chipset.
That's better, but still not x4 4.0 from the CPU.
Thanks Konstantine!
О, а я думал що ти так круто говориш core на іншому відео, а потім побачив це) супер) лайк однозначно)
Merry christmas ❤️🎉 !!
You're a scholar and a gentleman.
I wonder if it is usable on some higher end boards (think MSI MPG) that have two PCIE X16 slots that run at X8 each both connected to CPU not PCH. But probably wouldn’t make sense anyway.
Since both of the slots are connected to the CPU, both of them won't work with QXQ3.
thank you for clear explanation
how about the Z690M DS3H DDR4. It has a pci-e 4.0 x16 first slot. Does that slot work?
No, it doesn't. These 12th gen ES CPUs all come with disabled primary PCI-E lanes, and it doesn't matter what version it is.
can you test the new i9-13900es? or i9-13900t ES in a budget motherboard? thank you nice work
I could do that if someone would provide the CPU, but the current price is just ridiculous, thus I am not buying it with my own money.
Not all hero wear capes xD
did you try any newer Es for 13 and 14 gen?
No, I didn't bother with any of those.
@Miyconst :'(
Mi8 saving the day once again.
Thanks for the video, I am planning to buy one with Asrock B660MPro, but after watching your video, I am doubt if I really want to go ahead, I have 2 choices: QXQ3 with Asrock B660MPro (with 2 PCie Lan), and another option will be i9-9900k with MSI Z370M, price difference is about 75USD, what will you recommend?
Core i5-12400 / 12500 / 12600 and ASRock B660M Pro.
@@Miyconst So, QXQ3 is totally not recommended?
@@Miyconst do you meant QXQ3 is not recommended at all?
@@mertz8867 that's correct, I don't recommend QXQ3 under any circumstances, only if it's very cheap.
Hmm, what if one connected a riser from m.2 to x16? Could be a way to get gen4x4?
Yes, that works, but lots of hassle and extra equipment. Also, I have not yet seen M.2 to PCI-E adapters that support 4.0 transfer speed.
@@Miyconst I wouldn't suggest it is worth it just that it might be an option if someone already had one of these and couldn't return it. But if there aren't gen4 than probably not worth it anyways. I do wonder though, why this would have no x16 slot support of any pcie generation, and if this is a rule or by chance that this sample was worse than others. Usually ES chips have this basic functionality even if other features are disabled.
@@eclipsegst9419 this is a rule, and unfortunately all ES options of 12th gen I have seen have PCI-E 5.0 lanes disabled. There might be some other samples, like Qualification Samples (QS) with PCI-E 5.0 enabled, but so far, what I see, and what my contacts from China say, the ones available on AliExpress don't have PCI-E 5.0 support, these lanes are physically absent in these samples. I might be wrong, but that's what I was able to gather for now.
Hi, I've recently found a C0 revision ES 12900, does it differ at all from the QXQ3 ?
I don't have any extra info to share, sorry.
I upgraded the f8 bios to an official version of huananzhi's own website. The bios is dated December 2021 and has now even included an official huananzhi boot logo. But I miss the turbo boost unlock and miyconst mods. Do you have any tutorial to configure the bios like in your mods? Thanks!
I am working on a review of the latest X99-F8 revision, BIOS options will be available there as well.
the cache on this process cos its ES have higher latency ? intel just made like that ?
ty for this video, great information
I have tested with MSI Z690-A Pro and the cache worked correctly.
Miyconst. boa tarde, sairam os processadores I9 13900 ES Q0L4 na Aliexpress, por acaso já testou algum? Teriam os mesmos problemas do i9 13900es que está desabilitado o PCI-Ex16 principal? Grato
I have not yet tested the CPU, thus I can't comment, but the price is really bad and I see no reason why someone would want it.
Do you tried use scewin or other bios grub methods to unlock all powerlimits to increase turboclocks, because it can help in this case
QXQ3 has hardware limitation, no BIOS mods can help here.
@@Miyconst i forget that scewin doesn't support z690
Hi, can i ask a question? I have Z690 Asus maximus hero witch have x8 PCI-E 4.0 slot right on the bottom. Does it function with i9 ES chips?
Yes, it does, but it's still not recommended to buy any 12th gen ES CPU.
Will qx7e run pcie 3x16 if not what gpu can i put on it? 12900k qx7e
All of these 12th gen ES CPUs have disabled primary PCI-E lanes. It doesn't matter if you try to use PCI-E 3.0/4.0/5.0, these lanes are physically missing.
@@Miyconst
So i cant!… use gpu with this cpu by any means did i understand currectly?
@@shayeladshayelad2416 only if you connect your GPU through the chipset PCI-E lanes or with an M.2 to PCI-E adapter.
could I use a ES QV1K (i9-11900K ) on a asrock b460m hdv and with a gpu? ( this is a matx board )
No, you can't.
@@Miyconst could I use a QTB2 (I9 10900k) on a asrock b460m hdv and with a gpu? ( this is a matx board )
would this work for a msi pro b660m, it has a gen 4 pcie x16 and if it does it would be at a 12600 performance at $50 cheaper
You need to check the diagram of the motherboard. If the x16 slot is connected to the PCI-E 5.0 lanes of the CPU but speed limited to PCI-E 4.0, it still won't work.
Hi, ordered this without understanding the problem. Now need to return the board/cpu.
Will it perform good in games with a board like this:
MSI pro B760-p ddr4.
If I understand this board includes a second pcie4 x16.
Please advice. Thanks
If you have a chance - return the CPU. There is no guarantee that this CPU will boot with a B760 motherboard at all.
i bought cpu online, the price is very cheap,, some how i just realize that my i9 12900 is Qxq3.. very sad... clock speed only 1.2ghz... btw, it is ok for editing? anyone here using it for editing. adobe after effect, premiere or photoshop.. how about its performance, its is ok?
1.2 GHz is very low and very slow. The performance will be horrible. Your motherboard or BIOS obviously don't fully support the CPU.
@@Miyconst oh my god, this is my nighmare..now i use B760M DS3H AX DDR4.. it is compatible with retail version?
It's compatible, but the VRM is not strong enough.
@@Miyconst sorry , what is VRM?
@@Miyconst hye,,,what the difference between tray unit and es version processor? @anyone.
It's an intel version of 3900x plus a gt750
Ryzen has PCI express lanes, this disabled CPU doesn't.
@@Miyconst Yes, not for gaming only four pcie3 lanes direct connect to the cpu.
If the PCI-e works it would be manageable... but this is totally unacceptable
Yup, max 200 Euros for this disabled CPU.
So if I try to use this 12900 ES in a motherboard with only one PCi-e slot, like Soyo B660M or Maxsun Z690, it means I will get no video output?
Exactly.
I found this video very helpful. I am now considering to buy this cpu (QXQ3) and make it my main computer. I heard that some B660 motherboards have the ability to change the CPU clock. Using this I am thinking of using the same clock as the production version. Also, the motherboard I am buying has two pcie x16 slots. Would I still be better off with another cpu?
Yes, you would much better be with an i5-12600k or i5-13400.
@@Miyconst Why do you think so? If you don't mind me asking, please let me know.
@@jagabata-1229 my opinion is very openly and clearly described in this very video, just watch it :)
I have this. Procesador de CPU Core i9-12900K ES QX7E, 1,8 GHz,
8P + 8E, 16 núcleos, 24 hilos, 30MB, 125W, LGA1700. All my motherboard are updated. Wich BIOS has your motherboard msi z690A ddr4 ? my gigabyte and Asus z690 not work with updated BIOS. Or is other problem? 12600 kf and 12700kf. Works
It's the BIOS issue. Most likely the old microcodes were removed and the ES CPUs are no longer supported.
@@Miyconst Please Miyconst. What is your date and number of BIOS used at your motherboard msi z690A pro ddr4 Its posible to me to purchases one used near me... With garanty and return ..is posible downgrade BIOS if necessary? Thanks in advance
@@Miyconst working with msi z690 A pro ddr4 with BIOS 3/2023. Thanks
What happened to this CPU of yours in the year since making the video? Did you sell it? I have the idea to buy and slap one of the ES2 12900/K(F)/12700/K(F) CPUs into an Asus H610T D4-CSM ITX board. I am not sure if bios would even support the pre-C0 stepping chips, but pros if it works: lots cheaper than retail CPUs, board has SO-DIMM DDR4 so weak D5 IMC wouldn't matter, it has IGP only, so lack of CPU PCI-E wouldn't matter. How does my idea sound? Am I missing something?
I have sent the CPU back to China and got a refund. Your idea is good in theory, how it's gonna work out on practice only tests can tell. The CPU may work, but IMC frequency might be pathetically low and that results in pathetic memory performance.
Hi. I'm from Vietnam.Is it possible to use B660 Aorus Mater ddr4 motherboard? it has 1 PCIE 4.0 slot in the first place. Is it possible to use VGA in that slot?
No, it's not possible.
What is the song in the end? It sounds very familiar, something from Ukrainian classic?
It's an old Ukrainian folk song called "їхав козак за дунай", you can search on TH-cam, there are many different variations of it.
@@Miyconst oh yeah) When I was a child I sang in the choir and we sang this song.
May I ask if the main MAG B660M MORTAR DDR4 can handle i9 12900f es? I can downgrade the tdp in the mainboard, because i9 12900f es is very cheap I can buy it for about 80$ I want to use it temporarily until I swap to i5 13400. Thank you very much
I don't know if the BIOS is compatible with this ES CPU, but the VRM is certainly capable.
@@Miyconst I have seen some people using this mainboard with i9 12900f full box and it works, but cpu es I don't know, some people say need to mod bios with asus and asrock mainboard, thanks for your answer I'm afraid that vrm and phase are not enough but with your answer I think I can try it.
Love your videos
I really appreciate your support.
Hello
I'm just need good processor, i don't need graphics card, so this CPU is good for me. So QXQ3 tdp 160watts at full load? i already have b660m PRO RS, is good for QXQ3 load 90% 24/7?
No, QXQ3 is a bad CPU, do yourself a favor and buy an i5-12600k.
congratulations for the efficient work. I bought such a cpu. Which motherboard should I buy to use a 12gb rtx2060 with this processor?
You need a motherboard with two or more PCI-E slots, and the second slot must be X8 or X16, not X4.
@@Miyconst thank Master
@@Miyconstthank you for your video! I bought a pc with this chip and a Rtx 3090. Motherboard is a MSI PRO Z690-P DDR4. Do You think is worth trying a fix or will be just more efficient to buy another chip to not waste the rtx? Thank you in advance for your availability!
@@yoshimitsu1977 it really depends on how much you have paid for the PC, replacing the CPU is an easy task, but you have already overpaid because it's RTX 3090, then it makes no sense to keep the PC.
@@Miyconst thank you for the answer!
I bought the pc for around 1500 dollars, everything else seems legit so, sorry to ask again and the stupid question , should I change the CPU with a legit Intel? And then finally be an happy pc owner :)
hi, can you test it again with b660 and the first slot pcie, did it work in the first slot pcie gen 4?
No, the primary PCI-E lanes are not working, and it doesn't matter what motherboard you are using.
@@Miyconst 'doesn't'
The i9 12900 es now has dropped down to 100 bucks, compared to i9 13900 es still above 300$. It's it worth? Cause for 100$ i only can get i3 12100 or 150$ for i5 12400f
No, it's not worth it, i5-12400F is better.
ASrock B-660M-HDV have pcie 4.0 so this proc will be good work on this mother?
No, because the PCI-E slot is still connected to the main PCI Express 5.0 lanes on the CPU.
@@Miyconst Я так понимаю, это либо купить на будущее и ждать когда на руках карта с pcie 5.0 будет, либо может китайцы придумают мод прошивки под эти процы
Nice review!! Awwn damn i thought i found the perfect cpu for working and gaming for cheap 6 cores is too little for me 8+ cores is a need. 😔
Thanks. You can just buy a normal i5-12600k.
@@Miyconst Yes i know the problem is core count for VMs that i need.
This CPU works with low end H610M ? To use video onboard, not offboard ?
Yes, iGPU works, but low end motherboards' VRM won't be able to hold this CPU.
@@Miyconst Thank you
how many QXQ3 cpus intel produced ?
what u think?
1000? 5000?
I honestly have no clue, it may be as high as 100 000 of different modifications, more actual question is how many were smuggled away.
@@Miyconst wow so its crazy they make so many cpus of same batche code names... waste of time and money lol
@@Captain-love I don't think Intel does it to waste money, it's needed for verification and validation of the production line. If a hidden flaw slips in and then Intel is sued by large server providers, they will lose way much more money.
@@Miyconst me too i just wonder how many they produce as a minimum batch
What if i use this cpu on a motherboard with pci express x 16 gen 4.0, will the slot work then , seeing as its gen. 4.0 ???
No, it won't. The main PCI-E lanes are physically disabled.
I have a Vega 64 will.the pcie 3.0 x4 make it reach it's limit ?
No, it won't.
@@Miyconst perfect
This cpu is under $85 now here in my country. Is it worth it?
No. Please avoid it.
This processor can be use graphic card?
Please watch the video, the answer is there.
Hey, will this CPU be a good option for gaming and streaming?
No, it won't.
@@Miyconst I'm considering a PC in the NZXT H1 and I'm thinking of Intel's 11th gen or 12th gen, and this proscor is nice in terms of price. Thank you for the information.
@@michaszek9939 why do you think this disabled engineering sample is nice in terms of pricing? The price and performance is very similar to i5-12600k, but i5 is fully functional and comes with much stronger IPC, while the QXQ3 has PCI-E 5.0 lanes disabled and much lower turbo frequency.
I went to update the bios and the system died? Could it be because of the processor?
Probably the new BIOS doesn't support QXQ3.
Hello how are you? Could you explain me better about PCIE 5.0? I'm interested in the 12900k es, a processor that runs at 5.2ghz, as opposed to the 12900es locked at 4.6ghz. But I still don't understand the issue of the video card, the advertisers say that it doesn't work on the first PCI 5.0 SLOT. But it works on the other 4.0 and 3.0. The performance difference between 5.0 and 3.0 video cards today is minimal, not even 5%.
Is that just the problem with this ES processor?
This is a problem of all 12th gen ES CPUs as far as I know. In this case this is not a simple PCI-E 3.0 vs PCI-E 5.0 comparison. The disabled lanes are connected to the CPU, while the extra lanes are connected to the chipset, so the graphics card gets extra communication latency, since the signal travels through the chipset. Also, motherboards with two PCI-E X16 slots are rare and expensive, thus I see zero point in these ES chips, unless the price drops below the floor.
@@Miyconst 12900k es dropped in price on Aliexpress. It's costing the same thing as a used Ryzen 7 5800x. Which would be better to buy?
@@CarFlightGamesCFG Ryzen 7 5800X is a way better buy.
@@Miyconst Even better than the 12900k? Where would the ryzen 5800x be better? I play a lot of emulator on pc, I see that most of them are more adapted to intel processor. I have a lot of doubt, the IPC of the 12900k is a monster.
@@CarFlightGamesCFG Core i9-12900k and i9-12900k ES are two different CPUs. If you are talking about the final retail version of the i9 - then it's better than Ryzen 7 5800X.
Sorry, i do not speak English. The problem with the pci-e 5.0, was it the cpu or was it the motherboard?
It is the CPU probly. Don't buy it.
It doesn't even work on 4.0? On a seller's page it says that pcie 5.0 doesn't work. And only high end video cards work. Anyway thanks for responding.
@@JoseSilva_ no, this CPU has disabled PCI-E lanes, and it does not matter what PCI-E version you use.
Thanks for the explanation. It was very useful.
You can modding bios for support pcie 16 on this cpu?
No.
12700es is selling for $100 now
Shud i get it to replace my 12100f?
No, please don't do that. These ES CPUs have disabled main PCI-E lanes.
They are selling it now for $40. Is it worth now?
I say no but you are free to decide for yourself.
@@Miyconst what cpu do you recommend for budget
this version have AVX 512?
Will you release the link to the slides?
I didn't plan to, there is no much value. What exactly are you looking for?
Dude i rly hope Russia doesn't come invade your county, your awesome
Thanks, but don't worry about Russia. Ukraine is ready to welcome them with a warm fire.
10900 es QTB1 vs 12900 es QXQ3 gaming performance ? Which is better ?
Neither is better, buy i5-12600k instead.
he does not turn on subtitles . so this is not worth to buy for which issue?
No, you better buy Core i5-12600k.
pra jogos. as placas de video só funciona pci x4. não importa oque faça, ou qual placa mãe vc use.
I'm curious. Can these recycled motherboards run without GPU? is there a config inside the BIOS to do that?
What recycled motherboards are you talking about?
@@Miyconst these chinese motherboards are made from recycled servers and workstations parts cmiiw. unlike the originals workstations that support headless operation, it has custom BIOS, which I couldn't find info whether it has headless capabilities or not.
@@miongklok some of the boards can work headless, others don't, you need to verify each motherboard individually. For many Huananzhi boards there is a BIOS from iEngineer, which I think, can work headless.
@@Miyconst where can I get this BIOS?
@@miongklok search on GitHub, I can't paste links in TH-cam comments.
in china,it's being sold for 1100yuan or rmb,so only $178.86
that aliexpress price that you said is ridiculous.
$180 is more appropriate and there might be a use case, but I would still rather buy an i5-12400 instead.
Is the i9 11900 ES worth it? QVYE version
No, it's not. The 11th gen ES CPUs are very problematic.
@@Miyconst For what reason? so the only generation that pays is the 10th?
@@toxinamortal4991 the 11th gen ES CPUs have issues with IMC / Cache clock frequency and PCI-E revision on many motherboards. Often PCI-E gets stuck at PCI-E v1.1 and cache frequency gets stuck at 1.5-1.7 GHz, this damages performance a lot.
@@Miyconst I see, I thought it would be problematic in the matter of burning or something! Sorry for my English, but I'm Brazilian and I don't speak it fluently.
It genuinely makes no sense how the CPU is consuming 160 watts to render a cinebench score of only 18,000 when the 12900T renders a score nearly 4000 points better with a 35w TDP.
This CPU in general makes no sense to buy.
Спасибо за информацию.
Should i buy it now for 70$
No. Please don't.
@@Miyconst i think that kind of performance for 70$ is cheap tho.Why you think so?
Because the chip has too many issues and limitations.
i buy the a cheaper one, 12600 ES work fine on the second PCIE SLOT for gaming and i get 165 fps+ stable on competitive graphics fornite apex and get 120 fps on 1080p final fantasy remake high 1080p, if someone is looking for cheaper gaming like me, I haven't tried warzone or pubg yet
And what is the point? Do you think you won't get these FPS with a proper i5-12600/12400?
@@Miyconst No, I bought this processor when the Intel 12 hadn't arrived in my country yet, for 150 Euros, it wasn't such a bad option, that's what I was referring to.
Well.. I disagree, but as long as you are happy with the purchase it can't be wrong, it's your money after all.
For normal users, it seems to be a good investment.
I don't think it's a good deal for gamers.
With the current prices it is a bad investment for everyone.
12400 and H610 or for gaming xbox
Yeah, i5-12400 is promising to be a great gaming CPU, but xBox I would never recommend.
@@Miyconst Waiting for debian to run on a xbox.
Thanks for this! I’ll hold on to my QTB0
@@lm_h It's been good. I use mine for my home server as well. My sample is limited to 3.2Ghz all core boost and is not stable past 2666Mhz. The 10C 20T is great and the iGPU works flawlessly for transcoding.
@@lm_h Proxmox
It's on eBay for about 180€ now
It is not worth it, save your time, money, and nerves, stay away from this and other 12th gen ES CPUs.
this is a BUG. other versions unlike QXJE and QXQ3 and others have a 'single core bug'. others have 700 in single core and 9000 in multi.
@Dr-SphigleMann No. QX7E is better. B660 not worth. Z690 for this cpu is mandatory
B660 = z690 = +- same price!
Derrick Place
You just saved tons of money for everyone hahaha
I truly hope so.
Nuts to even sell something that's missing CPU PCIe lanes...
As if it's something new for Chinese 😃
QXQ3 vs QX7H
Neither.
@@Miyconst I wonder what is different which one should I get
@@leoyser1369 you should not get either of these CPUs.
@@Miyconst oh
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Why do I feel like you are an undercover intel employee lmao … jk thx for the review
LoL, if I would be Intel employee, I would leak so much stuff that they would fire me immediately. 🤣
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