Johann Pachelbel - Canon in D
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This is my first time recording with a pedal. To me, my pedaling sounds a little off, and I struggle to figure out whether it's the quality of the recording or if I am using the pedal incorrectly. Any feedback would be appreciated:)
my Favorite piece of all time..great job.
Hi Zhenya ! I came thanks to the link you gave me. First of all you are getting a very nice sound improvement, and I am very happy you are starting to use the pedal since it's one of the main elements of playing a piano. Many phrases you are playing are very clear and the notes are nicely separated. I am reading also other comments and I agree with the other people who are suggesting you to use some Etudes like Czerny, since they develop different patterns and "frames" of the hands, making them more fluid and comfortable. I really struggle to understand the fingerings you are using to play many passages, and that's again why I am strongly suggesting you to have at least one lesson with a teacher per month, because certain things cannot be learnt by ourselves alone in my opinion. There are specific exercises that help you mobilize the wrists and improve how the thumb interacts with the other fingers. There are adjustments that need to be done to make you feel relaxed as much as possible (even if you are naturally seating in a very nice position in my opinion). Anyway again I really respect the amazing effort you are putting into this, I really hope you will maintain this passion and drive because I understand you super well, now this is my 22 year of playing music and it's the best thing ever, even more when I am doing with others :) Please please please find a teacher before you create habits that get stuck with you for life
Hello Nicola! Just seeing your comment! Thank you very much for the input! Yes, looks like Czerny exercises is something I need to look into. And you are absolutely right, finding the right fingering by myself has been challenging.
Amazing how quickly you are learning and mastering the piano, great job.
Thank you James! Hope you are doing well!
BEAUTIFUL
Honestly, this is a great improvement! It's hard to play a piece all the way through without making any mistakes, so well done! Canon in D is a beautiful piece of music too. I did learn it last year and now you've inspired me to revisit it and give it more polish.
Also, I see you are wearing the Soundbrenner metronome watch, how do you find it? Is it worth getting? I have considered it but wasn't sure how effective it was. It would be great to hear your thoughts on it though.
Oh my! I did think this was a glaring omission from your starter video 😂. I’m glad you waited, it sounds really nice. A tad too much sustain but it’s really beautiful!
Awesome 👍
nice job girl !!
Great job fellow self-taught
First of all, well played👍
Pedaling can be tricky, especially in the beginning and especially on an electric piano. On an acoustic piano you can control the intensity of the pedal by using half pedal, quarter pedal and so on…
It seems like there are some overlaps between chords. Make sure to release the pedal fully as soon as you hit the first notes of the next chord and then don‘t push it again instantly, as the strings might not stopped vibrating completely(at least for acoustic pianos. I know my digital piano emulates that)
Try to hold the keys down as long as possible, as you would in a natural legato and then press the pedal to connect the following keys until the next chord.
Thank you very much for the feedback, just what I was looking for! I’ll work on releasing at the right time.
Круто! Молодец!
Мне самому 37 и месяц назад начал заниматься. Порой хочется прям сломать себе пальцы, так как не получается!
Но когда смотришь на таких как ты, становится легче, понимаешь, что у всех были подобные проблемы
Hi Zhenya. Congratulations on the continued hard work learning the piano. This definitely sounds like a major improvement from your prior video in terms of musicality. Quick question though, were you using a metronome for this performance? Your timing definitely seems extremely steady, and it looks like you might have one of the metronome watches on. Reason I ask is that you should still be practicing pieces without the metronome once you are getting them performance ready, which will help you focus more on the musicality and connecting notes into musical phrases that will sometimes require you to play certain sections faster / slower depending on what the music demands. The metronome is great for learning the pieces and making sure that you are generally keeping things in rhythm, but there is a certain humanity that is lost if the metronome beat is followed too strictly. Definitely keep up what you are doing with the metronome for practice, but make sure that you practice just as much without it. And unless you are going to performing with other musicians, you definitely should not use the metronome for your actual performances.
Hello Alex:) Thank you for sharing your opinion! Yes, I did use a metronome for the performance. I practice without one 90% of the time and then when time comes closer to recording, I start putting it on so that I know I’m on time. So you’d suggest recording without one? I’ll try it and then compare it to the metronome to see how much off beat I was.
@@Zhenyamarushko Yes, I would not recommend using a metronome for your performances, or for your practices leading directly up to a performance, not for classical music at least. And not that there are strict rules for it, but in general I would say that it would best to do something like the first third of learning a piece is spent without the metronome (focusing on learning the notes / counting etc), the second third spent with the metronome (getting the piece up to tempo), and then the final third spent without the metronome again (polishing the piece and focusing on the musicality of the performance). If you were only doing pop / rock songs, then the use of metronome is more appropriate, as those styles of music are based around emphasizing the beat and they are usually played with a drummer or drum track.
@@alexgcohn got it, that makes sense. Thank you very much! I’ll do just that.
Well done!
Thank you:)
Thats so good. For how long have you been playing the piano?
Thank you! One year and four months :)
@@Zhenyamarushko Wow. Thats amazing. I'm just starting to learn the piano.
@@IndikaRatnayake good luck, you have a wonderful journey ahead of you!
Incredible. How many hours per week do you practice?
You are definitely improving. Your Pachabell sounds 10 times more musical then, for example, Chopin's nocturne you attempted in the previous video.
Your posture is great. Right hand seems fine, relaxed and agile. Left hand still seems a bit tense, although better. Do you feel the tension when you play? In any case your hands, to me, look much better. I suggest picking up a couple of beginner etudes from Czerny - Germer book. It should be available online (impls maybe). There is also "Nikolayev piano school part 2" that has a lot of material for your level.
The tempo you chose seems to be on the edge of your abilities. That is why sometimes you are late and miss. If you play just a bit slower you might get way better music. It is not a competition, it is a song you sing with your fingers.
Dynamics, I don't hear them enough, maybe it is the recording that flattens the volume differences or maybe it is the piano you have. What is it by the way? A Yamaha P-45?
Bach Prelude in C (from WTC 1) is a good one for dynamics. It has all the range between very-soft to extra-loud.
If you keep progressing I would suggest to start planing to get a better instsument. I don't think your's has half-pedaling and string resonance.
I don't know how you chose the material you study. I have a teacher for that. A teacher would also fix the fingering if the printed ones doesn't fit my hand.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you for such a detailed feedback! I don’t feel tension in my hands when I play, but I definitely feel more comfortable with my right hand. I don’t know how to explain it exactly, but with my right hand I reach a point where it feels like my hand is flying from note to note and the hand just feels so relaxed, and I don’t get that feeling with my left.
I’ll definitely check out Czerny’s exercises!
It is Yamaha P-45. I’ll probably be upgrading soon.
Thank you again for taking time out to write such a thorough feedback!
@Zhenya_m My Goodness! I see a PHENOMENAL IMPROVEMENT! 🙂
Your relaxation is much improved -- supported by several things. First, your sitting height and position looks to be just about perfect. You are at the correct distance from the keyboard, and the height has your elbows and forearms ideally positioned for a good relaxed transfer of weight into the keys. That is very important -- more than most people realize, and it contributes greatly to the rest of your technic. Your right hand is *very* relaxed, well-formed, and prepared over the keys for a beautifully quiet transfer of weight for good tone and dynamic control. I see almost zero lifting of the fingers -- it's really amazing how quiet your hand is. Likewise, your left hand is shifting nicely through the range of notes so that you have a nice alignment of the arm, wrist, hand and fingers for each note. Again, this makes for a relaxed and controlled transfer of weight into the keys for good tone and dynamic control. It looks as though you have been studying with a very good teacher from the Russian school.
The nice relaxed tempo of this piece is an ideal choice for practice and developing this quiet touch -- you're not being pushed, and therefore you're able to relax and savor each note.
You have already assessed correctly the pedaling, but I should note here that pedaling on a digital instrument is always a challenge. It's very difficult to accurately replicate the effect of pedaling of an acoustic instrument in a digital one.
Now, what I have to say next should give you some idea of how I think you're doing.
Your technic is *SO GOOD* that the digital instrument is unable to render it adequately -- the digital instrument does not do your technic and artistry justice (!)
My ears are saying, "This is so good -- if only it were being played on real strings !!!!
I desperately would love to hear you play this on a good acoustic grand instrument. I would hope that you can find access to a good grand piano in a good room and play this and make a recording. You may need to spend little time to adjust to it, but both your playing and pedaling would sound *SO* *MUCH* BETTER on a good instrument. I'm sure you yourself would hear (and feel) the difference. You are doing so well -- you deserve to hear how well you're doing on an instrument that will respond properly to your artistic touch.
CONGRATULATIONS! You have done very, very well!
The next step will be to retain this high quality of technic while *GRADUALLY* applying it to more challenging repertoire -- complexity, velocity -- *without* losing the relaxation. Take it slowly, and be very jealous to preserve what you have -- it is excellent!
I'm so looking forward to what you do next!!!!
PS -- it would be of great value to you if you could find access to several different grand pianos (good ones) and play this piece on them to become acquainted with the differences in each instrument. Some may sound more mellow, some may sound brighter, some may have a lighter action, some may have a heavier action. Given your artistic aptitude, it will be highly beneficial for you to play this same piece on them and learn to "connect your ears to your hands". That is, get to experience how varying your touch just slightly changes the character of the piece and your performance. It goes beyond just playing the right notes with a good relaxed technic. Slight variations in your touch can make some startling differences in how it sounds on an acoustic instrument in ways that are difficult to hear and appreciate on a digital instrument. It is also good to hear the "quirkiness" of different acoustic instruments. Digital instruments can be, in a way, almost "too perfect" -- lacking subtle individual characteristics that one finds in acoustic instruments.
PPS -- depending on the volume level setting of your instrument, you may find that the touch or action on an acoustic instrument feels unfamiliar -- "heavy", and "dull" compared to the digital instrument. This could be the case if you have been playing the digital instrument with the volume turned a bit above the equivalent level of an acoustic instrument, in which case you may be "holding back" some without realizing it. To make the transition to an acoustic instrument, you may find it helpful to turn the volume of the digital instrument down so that you can -- and must -- play with a bit more force to get the sound out. This is the way I practice with my digital instrument -- I turn the volume down so that i can play more firmly. This builds up finger strength as well as conditions my "ear-to-hands" connection to associate a certain amount of force on the keys with a certain level of sound reponse that more closely matches that of an acoustic instrument.
I'm so glad you are continuing your journey -- and, obviously enjoying it !
Wow, thank you for such a detailed feedback! I’ve been working on my technique on my own by watching professional pianists and tutorials, so I don’t really have anyone to tell me whether what I’m doing is right or not. This really helps! It seems to me that my right hand is curved a little more and the wrist raises higher than my left, so I’m trying to align both hands.
And I totally agree about getting an acoustic piano, I played an actual piano just a couple times and I did enjoy it more.
@@Zhenyamarushko You're so welcome!
I would not be too concerned about "aligning both hands" as you describe -- they are playing two completely different things. Your hands will always be changing to adapt to the texture and density of the piece. In this piece your right hand is playing in a fairly closed position most of the time and has a nice arched curve which is -- as I said -- transferring the weight very nicely and giving good tone. Your left hand, however, is spanning an octave and then crossing over for another third. This span requires a much flatter hand, which is normal. So with this combination of textures, it isn't reasonable for both hand shapes to be the same. It's fine -- perfectly normal🙂.
You can learn a great deal from watching many of the fine tutorials available, and you are obviously gaining much beneficial instruction. You really are doing very well! Continue to maintain the correct seating position and posture -- they are all very good.
As you have said, you're not able to get direct feedback from tutorials on those little details which can make all the difference. Sometimes what works well for a passage in one piece needs to be altered just slightly for a different one. And sometimes a more pronounced alteration is needed. In addition to that, what works well for one person's hands may not work well for another! So if you're watching a professional pianist who has a different hand than you, what works well for them may not work as well for you. This would typically not be as much of a problem in earlier pieces, but could be in more advanced pieces.
I'm not sure who you're watching, but one that I would recommend for you is Pianist Academy (Charles Szczepanek). He is a very personable and excellent teacher, and I think you will find a great deal of helpful information on his channels. You can submit a video (free) and Charles will do a master class with it for you online (every two weeks on Wednesdays -- check out some of the previous ones). It's a great chat group and you can ask him questions even if you don't submit a video. I'm in the chat when I can be -- it would be great if you could join us. And when you're ready, send in a video and get some direct feedback.
I'm not sure how you decide which pieces to learn -- probably a combination of pieces you like and pieces that are good for you to learn at your level. The Canon is an excellent choice for learning a quiet legato -- which you have done very nicely. What I would like to see you try would be a few pieces from the Baroque period which make extensive use of diatonic (scale-wise) passages and broken chords to "crisp up" your technic while still keeping it nicely relaxed and quiet. For example, the first movement of Mozart's Sonata No. 16 in C Major, K.545, a Bach Invention -- No. 1, 4, or 8, and a Clementi Sonatina Op. 36 No. 1 would all be good choices and beneficial for you at your current stage. They would also provide a good opportunity to see whether your hands are more equally aligned since they will both be playing similar textures.
I would also encourage you to try different acoustic instruments -- grands and uprights, but good ones -- well-tuned and in good regulation and condition. I'm concerned that you may be unconsciously "holding back" on the digital instrument which -- even though it's a much better weighted keyboard, still it may not develop your best technic and artistic interpretation. From what I'm seeing and hearing, you may be using only about 80% to 90% of the weight you would need on an acoustic instrument. It would be an interesting experiment for you to play the Canon on your instrument, and then go play it on an acoustic instrument and consciously note the difference. I suspect the acoustic instrument may seem harder to play at first. That would be a good indicator that you need to change the settings on your digital so that you can play with more force and get the same amount of sound as on the acoustic.
Looking forward to what ever you do next -- you're doing great!
Как часто ты занималась в начале своего пути? Сколько примерно часов в неделю?
One thing I just noticed is that, at the beginning, you are playing all the single right hand melody notes with the same finger, and lifting it completely off the key for a good while before playing the next note; also the same when playing the double notes (thirds). This means you're having to use the pedal to make the connection of the legato melody notes. You're sort of "getting away" with it because of the chords in the left hand, but it's causing an issue with your pedaling of the chords by making the legato melody dependent on the pedal. You should definitely use different fingers in the right hand to be able to play it as legato as possible without as much need for pedal to connect the notes. I would suggest practicing the right hand alone without any pedal and choose fingering which allows you to play it as legato as possible. You may need to do a bit of substitution (switching fingers which are holding notes down to other fingers). Then the pedal will be free to connect the chords more cleanly.
Later on in the piece the right hand definitely becomes more legato.
Try playing the ascending double thirds using fingers 1-3, 2-4, and 3-5.
Also -- although it's a different arrangement than yours -- have a look at Paul Barton's performance for some ideas on fingering -- note how he takes the top note of some of the arpeggios with the right hand -- different from how you learned it, but you may want to give it a try -- it would be a good learning experience.
Look for Pachelbel “Canon in D” (arr. T. Andersen) P. Barton FEURICH piano
HI Zhenya - - just to let you know that Pianist Academy -- Charles Szczepanek -- will be having another Live Q & A session Weds. (6/14) at 12:00 noon (EDT) -- in case you'd like to join us -- maybe see you there...
In any case, have a great day!
Hello!! Apologies for the delay! I would love to join the next one, do you know when it’s going to be? I’ll try to arrange with work so I can attend.
@@Zhenyamarushko
Hi Zhenya ! I think he has the "Live" sessions on the second and fourth Wednesdays each month, so the next one would be July 12th -- they start at noon (ET) and go for about an hour and a half.
You can always go back and view previous sessions on his channel, but he's great at answering questions during the session if you have any. The last session was really advanced, but he has sessions at all different levels. I'm thinking it would be interesting for you to submit a video and have him work with you on it -- when you're ready - :-)
Hope you all are doing well -- have a great weekend!
@@aBachwardsfellow great I’ll go and watch his content today! Thanks so much and have a great weekend too!
@@Zhenyamarushko Hi Zhenya ! -- I wasn't able to make the session today (dental appt! :-|) -- maybe next week.
@@aBachwardsfellow got you, see you then:)