Notice how at the start of the scene Patrick looks disgustingly at Kimball pouring salt on his food, and then reluctantly follows suit by pouring salt on his own food. Believes in health but always trying to fit in hahaha.
1:24 that gesture Wilem Dafoe does is so hilarious to me. The look on his face cracks me up. Like it's obvious he knows something but he just decides to fuck with him for kicks.
so like, is Patrick more depressed because he thinks he's about to be caught... or because he thinks the rest of the guys went to party somewhere without him? I love this scene so much
He actually wants to be caught... he says at one point he will avoid the punishment he seeks... and confesses on multiple occasions.. the whole movie is about him needing to fit in but at the same time stand out.. getting caught as a serial killer is the ultimate way for him to stand out... I think he likely embellishes the crimes in his own head... he does kill some peoples like the escorts and the homeless, but I believe he never really killed Paul Allen..he just thinks he did... and the shootout with the cops is a hallucination too.. thats my theory anyhow
+WizardlyCrusader it was not this scene, but the first interview one. You can tell the difference - in that one Kimball acts totally weird, sometimes looking at Bateman scoldingly, sometimes seemingly sympathising with him - here you cannot see that
In the book this was part of the same scene of the initial questioning. I'm assuming they split the scene because the audience would've gotten bored after watching them talk for 10 minutes lol.
That's a very naive opinion though, you should know the first rule all detectives live by, which is of the utmost importance in training interrogators and results in an enormous number of convictions is "A good cop will never let you know he knows you're full of it." It's really basic stuff in police psychology and for an FBI detective? It's his entire job... They're masters of establishing a report with you in a friendly manner, tricking you into thinking you're not in any way the main suspect, they may even make up a lie about how someone they think you would want them to think is the real suspect being investigated to see how you react to that and the whole time you have no idea if the they're pretending to be needing your information for help when really you're their #1 suspicion and they keep going to you to establish that relationship then they can start throwing curveballs at you. One thing many guilty people will do is A) try to find out what the police know, attempting to casually prod them for information and B) actively feeding false information to the police in order to throw them off your trail if they've done a good job of making it seem like they really trust you. This is how many many people get caught. And investigators are *trained* to immediately pick up on this and encourage the behavior so they'll get you to spill as much as possible. You'll think that you were throwing the cops for a loop by outsmarting them and erasing yourself from the police's radar when really the cops were 2 steps ahead the whole time and pretending not to know so you would keep yapping. Every day you show up the police will act happy to see you, give you some food and coffee or whatever, and just kind of hang out and brainstorm the case, it will feel like you're actually a part of the investigator's "team" and a valuable member, and they'll keep reminding you that all the information you've given them is really helping them out a lot, and they've already taken all your advice, and been building the whole case around what you've said etc etc. So this guy thinks "Wow they're really eating this up! I can dictate the whole direction of the investigation!" only to find out, whoop, no I'm now being arrested for the murder of X and 167 counts of perjury, knowingly lying to an officer, etc etc. Patrick Bateman is just so insanely bad at lying and understanding other humans emotions and motivations that he takes whatever superficial body language is used at face value, so if someone lies to him but does it convincingly, he completely buys it exactly how he visualizes others will buy _his_ phony lies. He's internalized and accepted lying and wants people to believe him, but will easily believe other's lies as well because he just wants to just fit in and conform with everyone else.
1:24 Not only was he depressed with the situation, but it seems like he was upset that the guys didn’t invite him. Would be something Patrick would get all choked up about.
Patrick was really nervous in this scene. Look how he fiddles with his knife and fork over this steak and how he pours so much salt over it. Plus they had crappy seats in that restaurant, where the waiters would constantly be walking by. He must've been dying inside lol
Analise Martinez he first watches the detective put salt on his food. Patrick, as a psychopath, isn’t like everyone else but he wants to fit in. He copies the detective to appear “normal” and just like him. That’s why he puts too much on. He’s not putting salt on to make it suit his taste, he’s just mimicking, and doing a poor job of it.
He's so self absorbed it's a self inflicted ADHD that has him doing all sorts of other shit until the lunch meeting and BAM he has to improvise which is impossible as he's clearly insane.
Also I think he was on a diet as we had seen when gene asked him if he would like to have one, he is so nervous that all he can think of is something he is really craving ie Sorbet.😅
I like how the "Patrick Bateman" Kimball thinks had dinner with the other guys could be a different person completely considering how often people's identities get confused in this film's universe
yeah the whole movie and book is a commentary on yuppie 80s hyper capitalist consumerism and the reason so many people get confused is because they all buy the same shit (expensive suits, designer glasses) and look the same with the haircut etc
@@Meghnaaad well it's a bit both. They filmed two versions of the scenes with Patrick and the detective. The first version where he dosent know and the second version where he's suspicious of him.
Is Kimball the devil? He gives too much information away to be a genuine detective - as if he's helping, all the while teasing because he knows what Bateman has done. He guides him to his alibi.
Bateman's father "practically owns the company" and Kimball ISN'T a cop, he is an PI hired by the company, so he's literally Alias Node. Kimball probably knows Bateman's father owns the company, so he would have an incentive to frame someone else.
Absolutely amazing scene... For me, Kimball is just a giant troll who gets Bateman on his hands and knees, he's the one that starts the process of cracking Bateman post-Allen killing.
This is one of the best acting scenes Bale has done. I mean look at his face. He really looks like he is worried about getting caught. I would have that same face if I screwed something up at work really bad. Like oh shit I screwed up and the guillotine is coming.
yes Bale is brilliant in this movie, but he is great actor and great in all his movies. The Fighter, Machinist, Prestige - he was so subtly different as two persons, Dark Knight - absolutely love his Wayne&Bat, Harsh Times - my God, Bale is absolutely great in this movie playing veteran with ptsd, 3:10 to Yuma, Flowers of War, Empire of the sun etc. And I love his original artistic choices for movies, he doesn't just go for big popcorn Hollywood flicks.
@@patrickbateman6535 also , he's pouring the salt to fit in , you see the detective pour the salt like that first , and Bateman looks in disgust , but then he does it himself
I love how Patrick gets increasingly paranoid over the coarse of the scene. It really shows the tension in his mind versus the coolness of Dafoe’s character’s mind.
"I mean to think that one of his friends killed him for no reason would be too ridiculous. Isn't that right, Patrick?" ... If he only knew... about the atrocious card!!!!
I think that the detective was paid off by Patrick's father. He is now just making sure that Patrick is prepared in case there are any other legal issues
@@mariahyohannes It isn’t implied. I just think it’s an interesting theory to think about. It’s fictional so you can make all sorts of fun hypotheticals.
The ambiguity and all that stuff is great but Bales' performance here is perfect. When he laughed nervously when asked a question where was he at, Bale perfectly presented the desperate fight of a lunatic trying to escape justice interchangeably with losing hope and getting caught. Bale is already a legendary actor in my book.
Simon0 yes and that was the point - ridiculous and hilarious the same time.Dark humor is one of many things I love in this movie. thats how much salt psycho likes on his steak lol Bale is hilarious and brilliant in this movie
I always thought that he actually did murder all those people. Except for maybe the police, but that the whole point of the novel was to make this character who wanted nothing but to stand out and make a point. Nothing. He was just like all the people he was around. Even Paul Allen didn’t know he was Pat Bateman. Pat Bateman got people confused all the time and his friends would even confuse pat with others. And he really wanted people to know he wasn’t a spineless guy- killed people. But no one could believe him bc they don’t even recognize who’s who in their societal group
It's like Patrick is having dinner with the Devil himself. And the Devil knows Patrick killed Paul Allen and likes to torture Patricks soul just for fun and amusement.
These actors are so brilliant! CB is the ultimate AP. I wrote a book and as a tribute to him the main female character is a huge fan of him! Love you CB
Wilem Dafoe shot 3 sequences with 3 different personalities of Donald Kimball(not in order). 1. Where he is not he's convinced Bateman is not the killer. 2. Where he is suspicious of Bateman. 3. Where he is sure Bateman is the killer. He purposefully did that to add more depth to the film.
The more I watch this film the more I think that, even if the killings were real, Kimball isn't. It's like he is this character in Bateman's head who "knows him too well" and is trying to catch him out all the time, like when he pulls out the Huey Lewis vinyl. Then as Patrick's madness escalates he isn't seen again.
@@ltfringr Bateman's father "practically owns the company" and Kimball ISN'T a cop, he is an PI hired by the company, so he's literally Alias Node. Kimball probably knows Bateman's father owns the company, so he would have an incentive to frame someone else.
I think people are forgetting something in this scene If Patrick wasn’t actually there with Marcus at that meetup and Marcus (or someone else) told the detective that Patrick was there, this would be another example of Patrick being mistaken for someone else (at the party) This would incite two things in Patrick. 1. he’s angry that he was again mistaken for someone else 2. He cannot correct it as it was a perfect alibi just thrown in his lap What a clash of emotion he must be experiencing. All while knowing (maybe not) that he was the killer and that the detective is entirely wrong
He thinks that all the other businessmen were out without him and he realises he has no alibi - he looks down and appears sad because he basically accepts that he's caught out. Hence his surprised reaction when the Detective tells him that he "was there".
If I remeber correctly (from the book), Bateman desperately wanted to be caught as a means of actually having a meaningful effect on people and proving that the world wasn't completely shallow and meaningless. That's why he keeps making half-hearted attempts to out himself as a psycho. His drive to fit in with society tempers this so he can never fully commit. Don't forget, Bateman is insane and the events in the story are purposefully designed to confuse us. I agree more with cmiller8492 and Josh JeanJacket Jaeger. Even the film suggests this. Why else would someone look so depressed upon realising they had an alibi and force themselves to fake a smile? lol. His face is one of defeat, not tension or relief
No, Cloud, I think it is smart played like "as being exposed/defeated" but actually Batesman plays it like "I would look like this if defeated however I am just listening and having nothing to be afraid of/guilty of so I could just as good look like this"
He was already making that face before even being given an alibi, he's sweating way before that. It was established when he gives himself to his lawyer on the night of his rampage that he's prone to panics becaus he likes to be in control. He doesn't cry because of regret but because he couldn't remain with the hands on the wheel and go out on his terms. When something forces him out of the commands (usually when forces of the law are in play), he starts sweating and panicking, here he was about to lose to despair. He WANTS to be caught, yes, you're right. BUT he also wants to be caught on his own terms, hence why he runs away from the cops and also doesn't tell the detective anything but ends up telling his lawyer. Here he does hide everything from the detective and his defeated look is here to show that he has accepted he lost, the detective has everything on him but he will at least get what he wanted. His smile isn't forced, he's relieved that he's still scott free and will be able to give himself in for more impact. I find it quite sad people don't understand that part of him when the books clearly spill it out and that it was what the film directors were trying to portray.
Bateman was at a loss when Kimball started naming people who were at Atlantic. He was like "It's done I was not there", yet Kimball said he was there. Now the movie had this theme of people mistaking Patric for other people so maybe they mistakenly said he was there. You can see the confusion and relief when Kimball says his name.
If you watch this scene and interpret it as Kimball simply just NOT bothering to check his notes on who Marcus was with until right that EXACT moment, then this scene makes the MOST sense! And is somewhat funny as it adds up to Kimball just NOT caring about his job. It's like: Kimball: Yum this is some great steak (oh yeh I suppose I better ask this guy where he was) Yo did you figure where you were yet? *Gets distracted by Bateman's questions* Yeh yeh Marcus was clean. His alibi is good. Who was he with again... *checks notes* It was this guy, and that guy, and that guy, oh noway.. And you too. Shit I guess I didn't need to come out here today. Great streak. Yeh imagine if somebody just killed him randomly lol. *Carries on being a Shitty Detective*
I think it's different. I think it's pretty obvious that Kimball knows that Patrick did it, he just can't prove it so he trolls him. Also in the book Kimball was just there for one scene, in the office, which made a little bit more sense imo. And no, I don't think he is part of Bateman's imagination. I think the "murders didn't happen" theory is really weak and makes the story uninteresting and basically pointless.
As much as I love Bateman's music monologue the best scenes are with Bateman & kimball. The way he says " isnt that right Patrick?" Indicates to me that kimball knows that he did it but he has an alibi & no physical evidence. He wanted Patrick to know that he knew. Such brilliant directing. I also love that the director had dafoe in the first meeting do the scene 3 ways that he thought Patrick did it, that he didnt think Patrick did it & that he was not sure & all 3 were spliced together. I was always under the impression that all the murders were in Patrick's head. I did see an interview where the director said he did do it. It really could go either way. What leads me to believe he did not do it is the shooting of the cop car & it explodes , the atm machine giving him messages the lawyer saying he saw paul allen & that paul Allen's apt of dead bodies & blood were simply gone. Then again this movie is a satire on how depraved selfish & unconnected people are. Everyone mistakes everyone else bc they all look similar dress similar & are all vice presidents of the company or whatever. Theirs a lot of mistaken identity like the guys saying Bateman was with them when paul Allen was killed. Or that the lawyer says he had dinner with paul but he mixes Patrick up with another guy. Also the real estate agent was more concerned with selling a very expensive apt than reporting that their were dead bodies their & having it all cleaned up. Her testing bateman about the apt showing & telling him never to come back seems like she knows.
Bateman's father "practically owns the company" and Kimball ISN'T a cop, he is an PI hired by the company, so he's literally Alias Node. Kimball probably knows Bateman's father owns the company, so he would have an incentive to frame someone else.
Am currently reading Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. The way Kimball subtly mocks and hints at (while denying accusation of) Bateman's guilt is 100% reminiscent of Porfiry Petrovitch on Raskolnikov.
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Notice how at the start of the scene Patrick looks disgustingly at Kimball pouring salt on his food, and then reluctantly follows suit by pouring salt on his own food. Believes in health but always trying to fit in hahaha.
omg haha you are right, I never noticed it before ! This movie gets better & better every time I watch it.
I should be a film critic.
Don damn good catch, and man does he go to town with the salt after too, like he’s trying to out-do him in something that he hates anyways
salt isn't unhealthy you need it to survive
Yes it is hazzmati you silly boy
You cannot out crazy William Defoe, even if you are Patrick Bateman.
True. Just as Nicolas Cage in "Wild At Heart"
@@rickyandreou You're next fucker
What's so wrong about the guy, besides him not conforming to your standards?
HAAAAAARRK!!!
OUT AM I?
1:24 that gesture Wilem Dafoe does is so hilarious to me. The look on his face cracks me up. Like it's obvious he knows something but he just decides to fuck with him for kicks.
@Hitler Loves Anime 1:30 I guess
Because of Patrick's status and family connections, Kimball knows having him convicted is impossible. So why not fuck with him just to see him squirm.
so like, is Patrick more depressed because he thinks he's about to be caught... or because he thinks the rest of the guys went to party somewhere without him? I love this scene so much
Haha! That's a funny theory.
Absolutely the latter, lol! well observed.
He actually wants to be caught... he says at one point he will avoid the punishment he seeks... and confesses on multiple occasions.. the whole movie is about him needing to fit in but at the same time stand out.. getting caught as a serial killer is the ultimate way for him to stand out... I think he likely embellishes the crimes in his own head... he does kill some peoples like the escorts and the homeless, but I believe he never really killed Paul Allen..he just thinks he did... and the shootout with the cops is a hallucination too.. thats my theory anyhow
Lmao
Good detail never thought of that 😯
Either Kimball is extremely gullible or trolling the crap out of Bateman
He's Bateman's dad. He put him in this construct. I'm pretty sure he's putting on a show to flatter his ego.
+WizardlyCrusader it was not this scene, but the first interview one.
You can tell the difference - in that one Kimball acts totally weird, sometimes looking at Bateman scoldingly, sometimes seemingly sympathising with him - here you cannot see that
It was only the first interview? I had heard it was all of Kimball's scenes, especially this one and the deleted scene in the club.
I think Kimball knows Patrick is the killer, but realise Patrick is above the law because of his father.
Tobias exactly why he knows and so does everybody else patrick is untouchable so he's just tormenting his mind
when the science teacher catches me mixing amonia and bleach and tells me that's how you make mustard gas:
1:25
except thats how you make chlorine gas, and not mustard gas
LOL
1:27 “Haha, I have trouble with autocorrect, too. You must’ve meant to type ‘bigger’”
This is my favourite version of this joke, by far.
I'm suprised nobody mentions how a detective and a murder suspect just meet up in a sweet expensive restaurant for lunch to discuss the case lmao.
He's not really a detective, he was hired by the company as a PI. So it's pretty realistic that they would meet over lunch
He's never officially a suspect in the movie
In the book this was part of the same scene of the initial questioning. I'm assuming they split the scene because the audience would've gotten bored after watching them talk for 10 minutes lol.
He’s a stupid ass detective 😂
You guys know that that all the killings happend in his mind
The investigator had him figured out from the beginning, but since he was alibied and had no physical evidence, there was no way he could prove it.
George Soros I see it as the investigator had no idea. He gets really close but he never really suspects Patrick.
That's a very naive opinion though, you should know the first rule all detectives live by, which is of the utmost importance in training interrogators and results in an enormous number of convictions is "A good cop will never let you know he knows you're full of it." It's really basic stuff in police psychology and for an FBI detective? It's his entire job... They're masters of establishing a report with you in a friendly manner, tricking you into thinking you're not in any way the main suspect, they may even make up a lie about how someone they think you would want them to think is the real suspect being investigated to see how you react to that and the whole time you have no idea if the they're pretending to be needing your information for help when really you're their #1 suspicion and they keep going to you to establish that relationship then they can start throwing curveballs at you. One thing many guilty people will do is
A) try to find out what the police know, attempting to casually prod them for information and
B) actively feeding false information to the police in order to throw them off your trail if they've done a good job of making it seem like they really trust you. This is how many many people get caught. And investigators are *trained* to immediately pick up on this and encourage the behavior so they'll get you to spill as much as possible.
You'll think that you were throwing the cops for a loop by outsmarting them and erasing yourself from the police's radar when really the cops were 2 steps ahead the whole time and pretending not to know so you would keep yapping. Every day you show up the police will act happy to see you, give you some food and coffee or whatever, and just kind of hang out and brainstorm the case, it will feel like you're actually a part of the investigator's "team" and a valuable member, and they'll keep reminding you that all the information you've given them is really helping them out a lot, and they've already taken all your advice, and been building the whole case around what you've said etc etc. So this guy thinks "Wow they're really eating this up! I can dictate the whole direction of the investigation!" only to find out, whoop, no I'm now being arrested for the murder of X and 167 counts of perjury, knowingly lying to an officer, etc etc.
Patrick Bateman is just so insanely bad at lying and understanding other humans emotions and motivations that he takes whatever superficial body language is used at face value, so if someone lies to him but does it convincingly, he completely buys it exactly how he visualizes others will buy _his_ phony lies. He's internalized and accepted lying and wants people to believe him, but will easily believe other's lies as well because he just wants to just fit in and conform with everyone else.
You're a really poor observer. It was clear from the beginning that he knew.
Cops treat everyone as if they have done it. That is what they do and then experience based on the reactions hints to them if they are guilty or not.
TheGoodChap I read you comment as an interesting essay; thanks for the detailed presentation of thoughts the others were lazy to translate^^
1:24 Not only was he depressed with the situation, but it seems like he was upset that the guys didn’t invite him. Would be something Patrick would get all choked up about.
Patrick was really nervous in this scene. Look how he fiddles with his knife and fork over this steak and how he pours so much salt over it. Plus they had crappy seats in that restaurant, where the waiters would constantly be walking by. He must've been dying inside lol
Analise Martinez like a p.o.w. in Vietnam eating at a Vietnamese restaurant
Um he’s nervous because he kills people and the cop is interviewing him
Analise Martinez he first watches the detective put salt on his food. Patrick, as a psychopath, isn’t like everyone else but he wants to fit in. He copies the detective to appear “normal” and just like him. That’s why he puts too much on. He’s not putting salt on to make it suit his taste, he’s just mimicking, and doing a poor job of it.
@@jess_bounce exactly! Exaaactlyyy!
Patrick probably likes his food salty. I mean, it probably tastes great!
Marcus was at the barbershop berating them for giving Batemen a slightly better haircut that evening.
🤣
very nice; impressive!
He had days to think about what to tell him and the best he could come up with was a shower and sorbet 😂
He's so self absorbed it's a self inflicted ADHD that has him doing all sorts of other shit until the lunch meeting and BAM he has to improvise which is impossible as he's clearly insane.
Perfection summed up in little words.
Patrick thinks that's what sounds most plausible because that's what a normal person would do.
Also I think he was on a diet as we had seen when gene asked him if he would like to have one, he is so nervous that all he can think of is something he is really craving ie Sorbet.😅
I love in 0:23 when he says "I had a shower" as if it was something important😂
and a sorbet
You left out the sorbet he had. That's a vital part of the investigation.
Genshin player be like:
But apparently it is important for Kimball to think he is mixing up his dates 😂
The delivery of it was hilarious
Let's see Paul Allen's dinner with Donald Kimball.
that subtle sea urchin ceviche... the tasteful thickness of it - oh my god, it even has a watermark.
You're just seeing it...
I heard he had his at dorsia.
Joker and green goblin would laugh like hell in restaurants
It that was true then the mystery would be solved not to mention he ain't dead anymore.
I like how the "Patrick Bateman" Kimball thinks had dinner with the other guys could be a different person completely considering how often people's identities get confused in this film's universe
yeah the whole movie and book is a commentary on yuppie 80s hyper capitalist consumerism and the reason so many people get confused is because they all buy the same shit (expensive suits, designer glasses) and look the same with the haircut etc
1:31 he knows hes lying what a troll 😂😂
No he doesn't. Watch the movie.
@@Meghnaaad well it's a bit both. They filmed two versions of the scenes with Patrick and the detective. The first version where he dosent know and the second version where he's suspicious of him.
Is Kimball the devil? He gives too much information away to be a genuine detective - as if he's helping, all the while teasing because he knows what Bateman has done. He guides him to his alibi.
he might as well be the devil!
I read Batman lmao
Bateman's father "practically owns the company" and Kimball ISN'T a cop, he is an PI hired by the company, so he's literally Alias Node. Kimball probably knows Bateman's father owns the company, so he would have an incentive to frame someone else.
is he even real or just patrick creat him. We never knew what happened to him.
1:25 goddamn that's some top tier acting. That face of dread, the sense of cold spreading through your limbs... it's hard to recreate.
"Sure, I had a shower..... and some sorbet?" lmfao
Ikr, hilarious
I think you're getting your dates mixed up
Two such well acted characters. Willem Defoe is just so heavy in this scene...especially at the end
Absolutely amazing scene... For me, Kimball is just a giant troll who gets Bateman on his hands and knees, he's the one that starts the process of cracking Bateman post-Allen killing.
Yesss! He is trolling him. Toying with him. Perversely. For his own enjoyment.
Alan is alive its batemans psychosys
@@hititmanify the director confirmed that Allen is dead, they never expected people to theorize that it was all Bateman’s hallucination.
1:26 “you have an exam tomorrow”
"Isn't that right, Patrick?!"
:)
G E T R E K T 905 Doesn’t really make sense how he was able to get a reservation when Patrick was head of the company and was more richer
Loved it
1:52 Not for no reason....because of the business card and the reservations at Dorsia.
Sheeeesh. That detective needs to reassess his values in life
😂
1:24 me thinking about how brutally depressed I am, but then I remember that I need to maintain my sigma philosophy
😭
Does anyone have a clip just of those 5 seconds?
The sigma philosophy is why you're depressed
This is not a dinner. This is a lunch!!! And I'm gonna return some video tapes!!!
Alan Ho (call me)
Dafoe has the most insane and menacing smile I've ever seen.
"Where were you?"
"Listening to Huey Lewis & The News' latest album I guess."
This is one of the best acting scenes Bale has done. I mean look at his face. He really looks like he is worried about getting caught. I would have that same face if I screwed something up at work really bad. Like oh shit I screwed up and the guillotine is coming.
yes Bale is brilliant in this movie, but he is great actor and great in all his movies. The Fighter, Machinist, Prestige - he was so subtly different as two persons, Dark Knight - absolutely love his Wayne&Bat, Harsh Times - my God, Bale is absolutely great in this movie playing veteran with ptsd, 3:10 to Yuma, Flowers of War, Empire of the sun etc. And I love his original artistic choices for movies, he doesn't just go for big popcorn Hollywood flicks.
It really goes beyond guilt, fear, depression. He looks genuinely physically sick. Like he has the flu and a massive migraine.
1:10 The "who was he with?" line delivery and facial expression just kills me.
"You know Bruce, I'm something of a detective myself."
- Green Goblin on the murder of Joker.
I'm not sure. Umm, I had a shower... and some sorbet?
eric20ike +the way he's pouring that salt
@@patrickbateman6535
That steak...............salty as fuck
😂
I think you're getting your dates mixed up.
@@patrickbateman6535 also , he's pouring the salt to fit in , you see the detective pour the salt like that first , and Bateman looks in disgust , but then he does it himself
"I hAvE tO ReTuRn sOMe VidEotAPeS"
see, that's how an maniac eat steak, that much SALT.
oh... so...
唐智余 remember he tries to fit in. He pretends to cut his steak untill he sees Kimball put salt on his. So he does to but only to look like he cares
nice catch, the detail of this character building is awesome
boy howdy, you're smart @Skeet skeet Brapp brapp
Must taste odd
I love how Patrick gets increasingly paranoid over the coarse of the scene. It really shows the tension in his mind versus the coolness of Dafoe’s character’s mind.
You know, He's something of a scientist himself
"I mean to think that one of his friends killed him for no reason would be too ridiculous. Isn't that right, Patrick?"
... If he only knew... about the atrocious card!!!!
Hes also teasing Bateman. The detective is experienced by Bateman as a menacing possible all-knowing figure
Batman and the Green Goblin.
Krylo22
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Oh yea! Now this scene looks totally different for some reason.
Batman hangs out with the joker too in this film
Antonio Marino hangs out? He fucking murders him.
Marvel and DC crossover confirmed
That's Bobby Peru.
I like that Bateman doesn’t even look where he’s putting salt, because he doesn’t even care about the salt; he just cares about fitting in
I love how Patrick's trying to be all smooth but he's tripping all over himself.
I guess i had dinner with victoria the following night....the previous interview it was a girl named veronica. I wonder if kimball noticed
Bateman's self-awareness.. :D "Ok... now while maintaining eye contact, grab the glass... and casually take a sip... nice and easy does it..."
Nope
Green Goblin interrogating Bruce Wayne about the death of Joker. What a time to be alive.
I think that the detective was paid off by Patrick's father. He is now just making sure that Patrick is prepared in case there are any other legal issues
Whoooa
Holy shit, this could be it.
FUN !
Where is it implied that he was paid off
@@mariahyohannes It isn’t implied. I just think it’s an interesting theory to think about. It’s fictional so you can make all sorts of fun hypotheticals.
The ambiguity and all that stuff is great but Bales' performance here is perfect. When he laughed nervously when asked a question where was he at, Bale perfectly presented the desperate fight of a lunatic trying to escape justice interchangeably with losing hope and getting caught. Bale is already a legendary actor in my book.
2:03 that crazy smile is priceless
Евгений Басков HAHAHAHAHA
how irony is that he totally gave himself away, but saved by the cheesey alibi providing from the detective.
Pouring that salt 0:23 was way too suspicious!
lol that was the worst salt pouring i have ever seen.
Simon0 yes and that was the point - ridiculous and hilarious the same time.Dark humor is one of many things I love in this movie. thats how much salt psycho likes on his steak lol Bale is hilarious and brilliant in this movie
1:30 that smile lol
Creepy
eerie, really eerie
The Green Goblin closing in on Batman, so much for the worlds greatest detective
I am something of a psycho myself - Kimbal
Just a wholesome dinner of a billionaire orphan and a World Class Scientist
1:31 kimball is trolling bateman so fucking hard rn
“You’re pathetically predictable, Patrick. Like a moth to the flame”
Its you who's out gobby, out of your mind
I always thought that he actually did murder all those people. Except for maybe the police, but that the whole point of the novel was to make this character who wanted nothing but to stand out and make a point. Nothing. He was just like all the people he was around. Even Paul Allen didn’t know he was Pat Bateman. Pat Bateman got people confused all the time and his friends would even confuse pat with others. And he really wanted people to know he wasn’t a spineless guy- killed people. But no one could believe him bc they don’t even recognize who’s who in their societal group
Basically the setting with Facebook "friends"?
@@Agent1W Hah
It's like Patrick is having dinner with the Devil himself. And the Devil knows Patrick killed Paul Allen and likes to torture Patricks soul just for fun and amusement.
God I love those 2 actors getting to play together.
These actors are so brilliant! CB is the ultimate AP. I wrote a book and as a tribute to him the main female character is a huge fan of him! Love you CB
Wilem Dafoe shot 3 sequences with 3 different personalities of Donald Kimball(not in order).
1. Where he is not he's convinced Bateman is not the killer.
2. Where he is suspicious of Bateman.
3. Where he is sure Bateman is the killer.
He purposefully did that to add more depth to the film.
0:52 there goes his idea of halberstram taking the blame. Notice bateman needing a drink after? yeah kimbell noticed it too.
Bale nailed this scene
AMEN !
Detective: why are you sweating?
Patrick: This ain’t sweat!.... it’s condensation
haha. the muted psychotic intentions in christian bales face x willem dafoes crazy/happy smile are so great together
The more I watch this film the more I think that, even if the killings were real, Kimball isn't. It's like he is this character in Bateman's head who "knows him too well" and is trying to catch him out all the time, like when he pulls out the Huey Lewis vinyl. Then as Patrick's madness escalates he isn't seen again.
But he interacts with the secretary.
I think he is probably real, but doesn't suspect him as much as Patrick thinks he does
@@ltfringr Bateman's father "practically owns the company" and Kimball ISN'T a cop, he is an PI hired by the company, so he's literally Alias Node. Kimball probably knows Bateman's father owns the company, so he would have an incentive to frame someone else.
i wasnt expecting this when I was searching for Batman v Green Goblin
Bale is a master of these types of paranoid, delusional characters..did the same as Reznik in Machinist...
Incredible film..Spectacular performance
Big short too. Except he was right
You know, I'm something of a psycho myself
bateman- “I had a shower”
Kimble- “no you didn’t”
1:27 me when my chemistry teacher tells me the bleach and ammonia that i'm mixing together will create mustard gas
I think people are forgetting something in this scene
If Patrick wasn’t actually there with Marcus at that meetup and Marcus (or someone else) told the detective that Patrick was there, this would be another example of Patrick being mistaken for someone else (at the party)
This would incite two things in Patrick. 1. he’s angry that he was again mistaken for someone else 2. He cannot correct it as it was a perfect alibi just thrown in his lap
What a clash of emotion he must be experiencing. All while knowing (maybe not) that he was the killer and that the detective is entirely wrong
And 3. He's angry since they might have hung out without him.
norman osborn interrogating batman about joker's death
DAMNNNN
In the crying scene he is slowly becoming his normal form
*Hard to find an alibi when you're out fighting crime as the Batman*
1:30 Me when I'm asked "do you want fries with that?"
yes. I want fries with that.
Lol i laughed way to hard over that
Me: Be careful! You know this game has friendly fire, right?
That one friend: 1:25
He had so much time to think about where he might have been and that was the best he could come up with😂
Lmao he is trolling him so hard
I love how visibly uncomfortable Bateman is😭💀 the nervous laughter and perfuse sweating LMAO
1:24 why does Patrick looks profoundly depressed?
I think this is the only scene where he looks so defeated.
He thinks that all the other businessmen were out without him and he realises he has no alibi - he looks down and appears sad because he basically accepts that he's caught out.
Hence his surprised reaction when the Detective tells him that he "was there".
If I remeber correctly (from the book), Bateman desperately wanted to be caught as a means of actually having a meaningful effect on people and proving that the world wasn't completely shallow and meaningless. That's why he keeps making half-hearted attempts to out himself as a psycho. His drive to fit in with society tempers this so he can never fully commit. Don't forget, Bateman is insane and the events in the story are purposefully designed to confuse us. I agree more with cmiller8492 and Josh JeanJacket Jaeger. Even the film suggests this. Why else would someone look so depressed upon realising they had an alibi and force themselves to fake a smile? lol. His face is one of defeat, not tension or relief
No, Cloud, I think it is smart played like "as being exposed/defeated" but actually Batesman plays it like "I would look like this if defeated however I am just listening and having nothing to be afraid of/guilty of so I could just as good look like this"
But he really wasn't
He was already making that face before even being given an alibi, he's sweating way before that. It was established when he gives himself to his lawyer on the night of his rampage that he's prone to panics becaus he likes to be in control. He doesn't cry because of regret but because he couldn't remain with the hands on the wheel and go out on his terms. When something forces him out of the commands (usually when forces of the law are in play), he starts sweating and panicking, here he was about to lose to despair. He WANTS to be caught, yes, you're right. BUT he also wants to be caught on his own terms, hence why he runs away from the cops and also doesn't tell the detective anything but ends up telling his lawyer. Here he does hide everything from the detective and his defeated look is here to show that he has accepted he lost, the detective has everything on him but he will at least get what he wanted. His smile isn't forced, he's relieved that he's still scott free and will be able to give himself in for more impact. I find it quite sad people don't understand that part of him when the books clearly spill it out and that it was what the film directors were trying to portray.
When Bruce Wayne had dinner with the Green Goblin
batman and green goblin. we fucking get it. enough.
Bateman was at a loss when Kimball started naming people who were at Atlantic. He was like "It's done I was not there", yet Kimball said he was there. Now the movie had this theme of people mistaking Patric for other people so maybe they mistakenly said he was there. You can see the confusion and relief when Kimball says his name.
1:31 Willem Dafoe. This always gets me 😂
“It was a typo, right? You meant to say bigger and maggot?
1:28
If you watch this scene and interpret it as Kimball simply just NOT bothering to check his notes on who Marcus was with until right that EXACT moment, then this scene makes the MOST sense! And is somewhat funny as it adds up to Kimball just NOT caring about his job.
It's like:
Kimball: Yum this is some great steak (oh yeh I suppose I better ask this guy where he was) Yo did you figure where you were yet? *Gets distracted by Bateman's questions* Yeh yeh Marcus was clean. His alibi is good. Who was he with again... *checks notes* It was this guy, and that guy, and that guy, oh noway.. And you too. Shit I guess I didn't need to come out here today. Great streak. Yeh imagine if somebody just killed him randomly lol.
*Carries on being a Shitty Detective*
I think it's different. I think it's pretty obvious that Kimball knows that Patrick did it, he just can't prove it so he trolls him. Also in the book Kimball was just there for one scene, in the office, which made a little bit more sense imo. And no, I don't think he is part of Bateman's imagination. I think the "murders didn't happen" theory is really weak and makes the story uninteresting and basically pointless.
"Now...where were you? :) "
*sweating intensifies*
no one talking about the head in the refrigerator💀💀
1:24 this is only time Patrick shows any real emotion because he thinks been caught
As much as I love Bateman's music monologue the best scenes are with Bateman & kimball. The way he says " isnt that right Patrick?" Indicates to me that kimball knows that he did it but he has an alibi & no physical evidence. He wanted Patrick to know that he knew. Such brilliant directing. I also love that the director had dafoe in the first meeting do the scene 3 ways that he thought Patrick did it, that he didnt think Patrick did it & that he was not sure & all 3 were spliced together. I was always under the impression that all the murders were in Patrick's head. I did see an interview where the director said he did do it. It really could go either way. What leads me to believe he did not do it is the shooting of the cop car & it explodes , the atm machine giving him messages the lawyer saying he saw paul allen & that paul Allen's apt of dead bodies & blood were simply gone.
Then again this movie is a satire on how depraved selfish & unconnected people are. Everyone mistakes everyone else bc they all look similar dress similar & are all vice presidents of the company or whatever. Theirs a lot of mistaken identity like the guys saying Bateman was with them when paul Allen was killed. Or that the lawyer says he had dinner with paul but he mixes Patrick up with another guy. Also the real estate agent was more concerned with selling a very expensive apt than reporting that their were dead bodies their & having it all cleaned up. Her testing bateman about the apt showing & telling him never to come back seems like she knows.
Kimball is a psychopath himself and he is fucking with Bateman the full time.
Really epic performance by Bale in this movie man.
Grandma: "Wow! You're so handsome! You must get all the girls in ur class!"
Me: 1:25
Bateman doesn't look at his plate while he's dumping salt all over it.
This is why you NEVER talk to the authorities. You have a legal right not to answer any questions.
He not a cop but a private investigator
imnotgaybut20is20 even more reason not to talk.
Bateman's father "practically owns the company" and Kimball ISN'T a cop, he is an PI hired by the company, so he's literally Alias Node. Kimball probably knows Bateman's father owns the company, so he would have an incentive to frame someone else.
Am currently reading Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. The way Kimball subtly mocks and hints at (while denying accusation of) Bateman's guilt is 100% reminiscent of Porfiry Petrovitch on Raskolnikov.
Batman and the Green Goblin having dinner lol
The best crossover ever
I love how easy going the detective is
You know , Im something of a pyschopath myself.
Lmao Patrick is sweating so hard
Batman having lunch with the Green Goblin
The surrealism of this scene is to me evidence that Bateman didn't kill at all during the film.
I like how it’s obvious that he’s guilty, but the detective doesn’t point it out
He’s trolling him
God, I was probably returning videotapes