Whiplash - Give A Retard A Calculator Scene
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ต.ค. 2020
- Andrew Neiman (Miles Teller) is an ambitious young jazz drummer, in pursuit of rising to the top of his elite music conservatory. Terence Fletcher (J.K. Simmons), an instructor known for his terrifying teaching methods, discovers Andrew and transfers the aspiring drummer into the top jazz ensemble
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My batshit-crazy instructor just told me to never leave the folder laying around. It's probably a good idea to give it to my competitor.
One of the few problems I had with the movie.
It makes the guy look extremely stupid and with his "medical condition" ... I don't see how he got selected for the band in the first place.
@@LouisE-mp8lx Exactly. I was a trumpet player in my Junior High School band and I memorized the songs. Hell, I still know how to play most of them nearly 2 decades later.
@@Soldier4USA2005 he was a pawn to inspire his real protege
@@LouisE-mp8lx you do memorize songs, but you always read the music as professionals. but I guess you can go to al the orchestras in the world and start telling them to trash the sheets because you feel like they should go by memory xD put some padding on your ass first
Last time I played in my high school band was 2010 and still have the majority of the song memorized just from practicing it so much
This is how Jeff bezos act when Amazon workers ask for a bathroom break
Don't you have a "no disparagement" clause in your contract?
The transition from giving the little girl a high-five to “LISTEN UP
C--KSUCKERS” was gold
Fletcher really is the embodiment of every perfectionist nightmare music teacher/conductor I've ever seen or heard of. Thank fuck I never had to go through that
I've had to in highschool choir. Our choir instructor was a perfectionist who hammered us into a well oiled machine. He did it through rage and fear.
When I was doing a tour of the school before applying (was a private school) I sat in on a rehearsal where the choir sang a beautiful rendition of Mozart's Lacrimosa...then the choir director told the entire choir "that was a mediocre performance" and I was ushered out.
What followed was four years of the best of times and worst of times in a choir ran by a perfectionist with anger issues. But we sang beautifully at all of our performances to standing ovations.
@D DOG Honeslty Fletcher needed the cops called on him more than anything. dude is a psychopath.
for me and evmerging when we were young it was our gym teacher swearing at us throwing metal objects at us telling us to do 100 pushups while he ate a subway sitting on the floor.
It sucks the joy out of music there by defeating the purpose
I grew up learning under a Fletcher. She was an old lady but watching this movie I felt how she was the same person as Fletcher
The line "get the fuck out of my sight before I demolish you" is one of my favorites
I can still see u minimi
Im gonna use this one day, just havent had the opportune moment
You should use this line on a UFC fighter.
kinda scary hearing it from Omni-Man
@@bellboi9211 okay boomer.
After a nervous breakdown, the drummer ended up becoming a mass weapons manufacturer for the US government
Dealer, not manufacturer.
@@georgeofhamilton haha you’re right on that - thanks for the catch
Then he started partying with Teens.....
@ONTHEKAISEN We don’t like to remember that part of him.
Lmfaooo
The most disturbing part of this whole movie in my opinion is seeing Fletcher talking to that little girl about joining his band when she's older.
Knowing what Fletcher's like behind closed doors and how his abusive and mentally destructive behaviour caused one of his past students to commit suicide, and eventually Andrew's in the future, it's disgusting to put that dream into her head when you know what he could put her through when she grows up and plays for him.
I like to think Fletcher is thinking at that point,
"Once you're old enough, I'm gonna javelin throw a fucking clarinet at your head to push you beyond your limits".
Fr, no one talks about this but it is disturbing.
Andrew is kinda thinking that... Or at least that's what it looks like.
That's how legends made , you need to step out of your comfort zone , and if some one abuses you out of your precious comfort zone you'll reach the highest possible, i mean you can always quit if you to comfortable to step out of it
He probably won’t even recruit her based on her being a girl, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the band is a sausage fest lol.
@@tai2664I’m pretty sure Andrew was gaining hood that he’s a good person but ofc…
But andrew didn't die though. The director stated he would have envisioned andrew dying from a drug overdose but that didn't happen
One thing I enjoyed about this movie is you actually see what conductors do for a living - as in, arranging the entire piece of music, recruiting the right musicians, and then training them to play it. Standing on stage, waving the baton, is just the end point. I thought that was the entire job😂
I never knew either lmao
Oh yeah being an actual conductor that gives a shit about perfection is a tough job. Waving a baton is for show
with out an conductor, the Lincoln Center Orchestra will sound like the Smurf Orchestra
@@randomix4023 You know I've heard some claim that the Conductor isn't needed if the musicians know it all well enough etc, but I'm still of the opinion your view is correct.
@@roguerover7598 I've been in a school orchestra playing accordion and our teacher was the conductor. I knew very well the play from memory, but the teacher with his hands gave me the volume I should play the accordion. Imagine a major orchestra and everyone player playing in his own tune...it would sound like a smurf orchestra. tra la la la la la la 🤣🤣This is why the conductor is a key role to a well played music.
JK Simmons just being yoked out of his mind in his mid 60s absolute legend
Crazy to think my man's still gonna play J Jonah Jameson for the rest of his career
Yoked?
@@jskrabac that's what betas think when they see someone who isn't a twig or obese.
@@jZamora87 Damn I didn't know guys still unironically used the word beta post 2016 🤔
@@jskrabac you could say j garcia is probably slightly "yoked", the yoke goes to the head ya know
I love how throughout the movie, you see them playing these fun songs, but their expressions are so dead and/or tense.
Fletcher managed to take the soul out of Soul
Me in most of high school band in general
welcome to concert band music
They've gotta be all in sync, no room for a good head bang haha
this says alot about our society😔
I know he's supposed to be unsettling, but the calculator line gets me every time.
It’s fucken hilarious, like who cane up with that.
I use it as an insult against people every now and than
And the Sanjay Gupta one too, that was hilarious.
I just burst out laughing at that part
“I swear to fucking god, I will stop being so polite- get the FUCK out of my sight before I demolish you.”
_"Where were you? Looking for a folder? You're fired!"_
_"Sir. The Conservatory Competition."_
_"Oh, right. You're unfired. I need ya. Come here!"_
"I'm gonna to get my engineers to invent a combustible drum set, that BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN!"
"Your power is due any day son"
They probably had pizza time after the conpetition.
The timelines are getting a bit intertwined here it seems
"Whaddya know about the track Whiplash?"
"Oh well I-.."
"Ehh don't answer that."
"You're a dumb fuck! A dumb fuck!"
Hahaha, gotta give him credit, the delivery was great.
His acting was spot on. He literally looks terrified in that scene.
What I love was how realistic it felt. Like that's how an actual person might react and say, not a scripted character.
Anyone could play that scene
@@HugoStiglitz89 no u
@@slizzardshroomer9666 Yes me!
I gave the folder to Neiman..."
Fletcher doesn't even bat an eye at Andrew after hearing that - it's still Tanners fault - he continues to stare at Tanner. Amazing little detail.
Thats how they train you in the military. If someone in your squad fucks up, its the acting captain who gets punished.
I had a knot in my stomach through this whole movie. I found it incredibly hard to finish
hard to finish? lol ive watched this movie like 6 times
@@peytonlewallen9556 Wow you’re so cool
@@ValentinoMarino11 lol yeah sure
True. But it’s worth it if you finish it whole with no skips because it sometimes resonates life. Gotta go through gruesome shit and you can’t even skip some parts of your life
@@peytonlewallen9556 6? Those are rookie numbers.
The amount of anxiety each and every clip of this movie gives me...
Feel like he’s personally shouting at me
I mean right holy shit and I got used to getting yelled at by a drill sergeant, but this guys attitude and look, and aura is on a whole other level!!!
@@dudechill4119 yeah i wouldn't put up with that. It's uncalled for imo
@@andrewclark6822 he definitely crossed the line. But he also pushed his student to become potentially one of the next greats. Not saying that it was right, but he did accomplish that
I literally just said the same thing to myself whilst watching this clip. 😆
He literally risked the entire band’s performance, and his reputation with it, to try earth out the next great player. He took the folder and wanted to see the kid play it by memory under pressure with no guilt. Brutal.
I didn't realize that he took the folder....I am a "retard with a calculator."
Agreed.
what's earth out mean?
@@PhyroMcBruceEsq It means to uncover
@@PhyroMcBruceEsq Eek out, stem out, unearth, or quite simply, to discover.
“I will stop being so polite” had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣
An ensemble director losing his shit over abandoned music folders is probably the most accurate thing about this movie 😂
lol but what else did you expect from the drummers?
"The folder is YOUR fuckin' responsibility"
FINALLY. I hate it when characters who had nothing to do with it get the blame for shit like that.
Then you didn't listen. Fletcher demolished both at the same time with a few sentences
@@Keptaro Demolished? He's talking about blame, he didn't blame him for losing it.
@@G0DofRock Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for anything he has ever done. He never does accept the blame. I would be sympathetic to his worldview if he did this.
Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it.
He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it.
If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her.
But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it.
Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
nothing to do with it?
this scene is about lame excuses, only that Fletcher knewing that found the oportunity to test the kid in competeition, look how he looks him all the time like a predator during the theme lol, it's like "I did that move to have you in this situation and getting away with it"
JK Simmons as Fletcher will go down in history as one of the greatest acting performances in film history. He was absolutely electric
Find clips of his voice over for the video game Half Life, Portal 2; he’s effing hilarious.
Na his performance as J.jonah jameson in spiderman tops this
@@ebbystein7577 no not even close look his spiderman role was great but in terms of actual acting This was/is his Best he's ever acted.
Agreed. He just has absolutely no clue how to conduct. It's cringeworthy. They made up for it by having him just walk around and nod his head.
@@jbc242424 idk man, some conductors do that, especially in jazz band. It's a sign of the trust he has in his players and their skill, my jazz director always walked away and trusted us to follow each others tempo and become one. It was wack sometimes but it's great way to form unity.
I had a director like this once. We were good. He ran everyone else off. We had a solid sound. Then a good teacher and director came in and turned that iron core into a world national jazz band that has recruited some of the biggest names in the industry and routinely goes on international tours. Not bad for a small ass college town jazz band in the armpit of nowhere in Arkansas.
UCA?
ASU?
POOPOO?
PEEPEE?
Every time he starts yelling I feel an urge to go get him pictures of Spider-Man…
If the theory is true that Fletcher took the folder, then that was a high gamble on Fletcher's part to believe Neiman would remember the music.
High risk high reward. Sounds like Fletcher to me.
Could have just as easily been testing Carl to push him to stop relying on the Sheet music, force his 'Charlie Parker' moment. At any rate if Fletcher took the folder he could've easily handed it back over and pretended its his spare.
@@Beardboythegreat This is most likely the what he may have been doing. He may have took the folder initially as punishment for disregarding his warning about leaving folders laying around, but he probably also saw it as an opportunity to test Carl and push him. A fly or die moment.
Also tanking the band for the sole sake of absolutely humiliating someone even at the risk of his own reputation is something he totally would do, considering that's exactly what he attempts to do to Nieman at the end of the film.
@@Beardboythegreat the handing back part probably wouldn't work. Usually people who own music charts themselves -- especially a whole folder -- can easily tell its theirs even already assuming that they haven't wrote notes in their book already. But having said that, he definitely have written notes everywhere in the music sheets.
Tbh if Neiman didn't know the music by memory, Fletcher could still say that he was teaching them a lesson by stealing the folder and then give it back.
The way Fletcher gives Neiman the unblinking, unflinching death stare during the first measures of his performance will always give me chills. As someone who performed for a perfectionist band leader, I can totally relate.
I can relate. That stare hit me hard, man.
This is exactly how all of my compulsory course teachers stare at me when I was in middle and high school....I can't count how many times I was insulted by those ppl
I was never first chair but I was a troublemaker, so I got the stare nonetheless.
Advice for anyone who hasn't gone through this yet... You stare back.
You can’t relate because this is a film and not real life
The biggest laugh this movie gets out of me is when Fletcher is speaking so sweetly to the little girl and old student, then walks in the room and his first words are “listen up cocksuckers!”
I like how Fletcher is really encouraging to the young kid but extremely tough on his students. It's almost like Gordon Ramsay levels of knowing who deserves his ire.
Ramsey is really polite to those who listen #though
I don’t think that’s how the movie intends you to interpret his character lol
hes not encouraging at all XD
Ramsey from what I understand is not so much like his TV personality. Or at least American reality show personality
neither is the actor so much like his played character from what i understand, moot point.
6:09 I love this moment because you can tell by Fletcher's facial expression that he knows he won't have to worry as much about Neiman for the duration of the song.
I kinda like he understands Fletch, like he's not phased by his threats, because he understands as keeping the status quo, he sees right past it
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@@juliocabrera2567 What?
@@PrinceFloof Don't acknowledge them. You give a keyboard to a fucking retard he's gonna try to type emojis with it.
Clearly this school doesn’t have an anti-bullying policy
They actually low-key encourage bullying
Anti-bullying policies are the greatest tool bullies have ever been given.
No shit
It’s kind of a military mentality. That’s why drill sergeants exist. It does toughen you up and make you more responsible or fear being unprepared. Is it worth the anxiety and mental health of the students? That’s the conflict the movie delves into
Anti-bullying policy doesn't teach the victim much about how to handle bullies in adult life.
This movie gave me strength not give up, before i was discourage by many scary/edgy teacher, but now i wont let them stand in my way
That is good. Confidence is key. Dont let this world break you.
@@dakid8775 Endurance. Don’t let the world kill you.
@@standman6832 oh my God
@@standman6832 that genuinely scared me, I thought I was going have a panic attack for a sec
I certainly play better when I’m humiliated, exhausted, walking on eggshells and terrified for my life to hit a note inaccurately. My instrument just sings under these conditions! 😂
Fletcher actually never stopped believing in Neiman's talent. He forged it like a diamond, but at a very hard price.
When Neiman came in to play after his car crash, tracking blood all over the auditorium instead of going to the hospital, Fletcher fired him anyway,
Pretty sure that is him not believing in his talent
@@SOLOcan talent doesn't really mean much when you have a fucked up hand and probably a few broken ribs..
@@anonymoususer638 But why stop teaching him?
@@SOLOcan Based on the ending, you can see that Neiman only truly shined when he took control, even telling fletcher "I'll cue you in". It's also ambiguous whether or not fletcher was being petty or truly believed in Neiman when he invited him to the Jazz concert, but I think the latter makes more sense.
@@anonymoususer638 If Neiman didn't end up challenging Fletcher do you think he would have found another way to push Neiman?
No of course not. If that was the eventual outcome, Fletcher would be satisfied with destroying Neiman's music reputation and that would be the end of the story.
However perhaps for Fletcher becoming the next great is contingent on overcoming adversity through direct confrontation of the teacher. There is no other way. Sure I can see that.
However if Neiman, after having suffered another humiliation, commits suicide, do you think Fletcher will lie to other people about what happens? Of course he will, he already does that.
Fletcher never takes ownership of any of the actions, he lies about his part in the suicide of his original protegee, abandons his current student when he becomes unstable despite the fact he did instead *proves* he has required dedication he is looking for, and he blames others when forced to confront his consequences, taking revenge on Neiman for telling the truth
I'll now reframe the question, do you think Fletcher wants the next Buddy Rich, or do you rather think that Fletcher wants to be the teacher of the next buddy rich?
When Neiman realised it would take everything to become great he breaks up with his current girlfriend. What's important however is when he does he doesn't come up with some fake excuse that he's really doing it to protect Nicole. He's brutally honest, Nicole will hold him back. Neiman trying embodies Fletchers philosophy. Yes he hurt Nicole, but he doesn't shy away from what that makes him look like, he completly acknowledges he's a dick, he takes ownership of that. The only thing that matters is the music, it doesn't matter what people think of him.
If destroying people is what it takes to create the next great, then so be it, but Fletcher doesn't want that. Fletcher should say, yes I caused Casey to commit suicide, yes I infact I do abuse my students. That is the cost, it will be worth it.
But when it's time for him to personally pay the cost he avoids this duty. Is he willing to give up his reputation as the teacher of the next great? No, he is only willing to take on that mantle after Neiman becomes the great.
Fletcher is just a coward.
I don’t think eva knows what she’s gonna get in to
I think he won't be hard on her and will just train her to a mediocre level, something like that. On the other hand, with these guys, he wanted to create a monster, a next Charlie Parker.
She's entering a world of pain and she doesn't even know what pain is
Doesn’t matter because Andrew actually saved that little girl by getting Fletcher fired.
He was being duplicitous.
I love how Fletcher is both a character you hate but also can’t help but greatly respect at the same time. An abusive sociopathic perfectionist with a brutal passion for music and strives for nothing but excellence.
there’s nothing to respect about him
@@bongwaterbaptist Disagree. His perseverance and determination are respectable. His passion is respectable. His perfectionist attitude is respectable.
The guy may be a sociopathic asshole, but you gotta admire his knowledge and precisionist mindset. Some of the best musicians in the world are like this. Even Dr. Dre is like this when he’s working in his studio.
@@pandamera1 No.
@@bongwaterbaptist 😢
He did give nieman his due respect in the end which I like but yeah fletcher sucked as a teacher. I would hate him.
This movie felt like watching someone go through military boot camp; The experience is designed to break you down, turn you into absolutely nothing, just so it can build you back up to be the best you can possibly be, to be at your full potential.
Finally someone who gets it. The amount of weakness masquerading as intellect in these comments is mind numbing.
@@romanfox3705 Said the youtube commenter to the other unknown youtube commenter.
Yeah except the military doesn’t involve costing you yourself
Quiet, you fucking boot
@@romanfox3705bro it’s jazz
Fletcher took the folder.
Yes, and he definitely knew Andrew knows it by heart, he wanted him on the set but didn’t want him to think he earned the part.
Ik who else would ?
@@IntergaIactico I don’t think he knew that Andrew knew it, it was him testing Andrew’s commitment (if he learned it by heart or not) + punishing the core member fucking up by leaving it on a chair.
I had always wondered about this (this is one of my favorite movies ever) and can't believe I didn't see the obvious answer right in front of my face! thanks
Remember it’s a competition as well. I can see some snotty competitors stealing it. Who knows.
I'm happy that JK started taking more powerful roles with such depth. His range is unbelievable while he manages to make every role he ever plays absolutely believable. He's one of the greatest of my time.
I loved him in The Accountant.
@@markw3598
Came here to say this -
I know him from "Oz"...
@Bad Lieutenant thanks, I'll look that one up
I still see him as the Oz character by default until he opens his mouth
That dude playing the angry teacher (J.K. Simmons) is an amazing actor.
J.K Simmons is a legend.
@@CeHee123 True that!
I think this teacher demonstrates how great music happens despite people like him. Yes, musicians work extraordinarily hard and push themselves, but every great teacher knows that a great musician is already hard enough on themselves and will get the job done if it's in them to do it. When you show up to this level of a group, the instructor already expects everyone to have the charts in hand, and now it's about getting the group to gel. His weird hyper-tempo OCD is unrealistic, he'd tell him to mark it and practice (maybe suggest a recording example for context) and then move on, and the kid would go to his private lesson (bc he would definitely be taking them at that level) and work on it. If he showed up again without improving, he'd either cut him or hammer it out after rehearsal, not humiliate him in front of everyone. At the end of the day, teacher can pick whatever chart he wants, but he also knows that the recordings where guys are killing it comes as much from group chemistry and experience as it does from talent and practice. If a teacher ever treated a group like this, the good musicians would transfer because they have half a dozen other ensembles they play for and have no time to waste stroking this guy's power trip and bad leadership. If clapping out a beat and berating a student isn't getting the job done, maybe go about it another way. JK Simmons was fantastic, but he was a failure as a leader and mentor.
Have you ever played in an ensemble? Most of this is wrong
I think that was sort of the point
@@uRDM forced teamwork is never as good as natural connections, it's basic human nature
totally agree. kind of spoiled the movie for me. i hate all coaches/teachers in this sadistic mode.
@@michaelfairney4494 It's only being accurate. Sorry your little bubble got burst from the usual sunshine and rainbows.
My heart stops every time the instructor is on screen, his presence is on another level
He played the same character in Oz he had that same intensity
It is like a Snake in a Human body! Significant role for Jonathan Kimble Simmons!
I know it sucks and its rough, but this is how greatness is born.
@@rvsonthelevel8746 and how he basically made one of his students commit suicide
@@hypnaxtic Greatness is not made in normality. I am not hear to judge if it is worth is or not, but just point out how it happens.
For everyone saying Fletcher took the folder, I can see your reasoning. But please, entertain another theory: "Mini-Me" took it and used it for toilet paper to then be delivered post haste in a post credit scene we were never given.
This made me laugh WAY too hard!!!
Mini me, really.
Canon!
He could easily sneak by and had a motive, well done
The sequel : Mini-me revenge
4:33 He looks like he's about to murder him. J.K Simmons nailed this role.
Looks like he's going to burn someone's house down... with a lemon.
This man taught music as if the fate of ALL HUMANITY rested in the fact that his band did not play a single note out of tune! And I was mesmerized until the very end
Reminded me of boot camp when our drill instructor beat us all night because someone didn’t fold their t-shirt the right way lol
Ur a victim
@@YeahItsJdog Huh???
The Farmers guy has really become scary and mean.
I wouldn't wanna see a thing or two with him.
Emilio Del Pozohahaah I see what you did
Because he may know a thing or two
its from those years he spent in Emerald City
YESSIR LMAO
😂😂😂
I have never felt so anxious listening to jazz than when watching this movie.
You have obviously never been kidnapped and held ransom by 1920s gangsters
@@God7OD That is really oddly specific...
@@VasilyMusic his username
@@God7OD Yo. We gotta talk about your username.
@@God7OD aye you good G?
What this movie does with the Fletcher character is incredible. Shows you can be a blatant psychopath and still have a group of men who will buy into your narrative enough to give meaning to madness. Perfection is unachievable, and quality standards can be achieved without toxicity, this man is manic.
I cannot imagine anyone other than JK Simmons playing this role. He absolutely terrified me. He also is a musician and wonder if he had any life experience like this on the receiving end which enabled him to absolutely nail this role
Do people seriously think a janitor actually snuck up behind Neiman in the 30 seconds it took him to buy a drink 2 feet away??? It was Fletcher who took the music, he had literally just yelled at his band for leaving them around, he’s not gonna accept that shit.
Could've been someone from a rival school
destroyermaker neiman hid it, he knew he couldn’t play it by heart so he hid it because he knew it
That janitor is Schwartz from Henry danger
In those 10-20 seconds that Andrew left the folder on the bench, who is the ONLY person we know of who was in the vicinity? Tanner. If Fletcher was anywhere near the folder, he would have run into Tanner, and probably exchanged words. Also, if Fletcher DID find a folder lying on a bench, we all know what he would have done... he would have screamed his ass off at the nearest student standing there (Andrew) "WHO THE HELL LEFT HIS FOLDER ON THE BENCH!!!! HUH????!!!!" He wouldn't have secretively grabbed it and snuck away.. that's NOT his style.
@@djbenje4019 except it was actually in the original script
Music isn't created out of fear, but out of passion.
passion can be scary
And Andrew's passion was stronger than his fear of Fletcher
The whole concept of "competitive music" is completely ridiculous, obviously in real life a band director like Fletcher would just cause the students to quit rather than improve. But in a movie context it's thrilling to experience
Passionate fear.
I could not agree more. Even in this video you can see they are rarely - if ever - looking at the conductor. A choir/ensemble would never succeed as such, ppl terrified and glued to their sheet music with fingers shaking
J.K.’s best performance. Ever. He was nothing short of nuclear in this masterpiece
JK Simmons is a force of nature in this movie. Outstanding performance.
I love how this isn't intended as a comedy, but it's honestly one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
It's not.
It's really, really not.
@@RemingtonDean Agreed. It really is not a comedy. If it doesn't invoke feelings of anger and elation, then, something was missed.
I, personally, could never take someone so angry seriously.. but the movie is fantastic. Loved it.
He’s exactly like my mother shit ain’t funny to me
@@RemingtonDean Well that's it then. Science has proven non of this can be funny.
I introduced this movie to my parents. They were often skeptical about movies we watched, and talked and laughed throughout. When this started, they got quiet and sat attentively throughout the entire movie. That tells you how engaging, tense and well crafted it really is.
I can watch and re-watch many films...but THIS isn't one of them. Too stressful! A real kind of Horror film that shows you that evil can be a band director!
@@Dottie1039 He's not just evil though, you understand him. He's like a pro sports coach, he has to wring the best out of his students, but it's tough to watch.
The ending doesn’t make sense though. The instructor would jeopardize his career and those of other professional musicians out of spite to the kid?
@@chrisbarron6157 Honestly, at that point I'm so hooked by the movie emotionally that I don't care. Everything in a movie doesn't have to make perfect logical sense if it elicits the right emotional response.
@@chrisbarron6157 the way I looked at it, it wasn't about logic at that point for him but about perfection. He already lost the rep when he got fired and wasn't the big bad anymore. He was willing to do that to prove something I think. A mental battle between the bat shit crazy perfectionist abusive master and the driver but also crazy and abused student.
Ive never seen this movie but clips of it give me ptsd from playing competitive sports when i was younger. I literally am like gritting my teeth through every second of these scenes
I was actually involved in both jazz band and choir in college, and I'll admit this sparks more memories of choir than jazz.
So this is what Omniman does in his free time
And J. Jonah Jameson. Don’t forget Frank Dillman.
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS
@@austinbrown8560 this planet isn’t YOURS to conquer
I love the sound of many musicians tuning/warming up.
Absolutely beautiful
Serotonin immediately
Free jazz
Yes. There is an excitement that builds until the lights dim and and the instruments go quiet, waiting for their cue.
Better than a flock of seagulls, and I mean that for real, the band is awesome :-)
The biggest part about this is
You can't really tell if the music is good or not, you just wait for the conductor to say if its good or not
It gives you tension that in every after performance whether they did it good or not not because you listened, but because the conductor said so
Good to see Vern Schillinger contributing to the community after his release from Oz...none of these players want to disappoint him too much or he will make them his prag.
I was looking for a comment like this. Setting things right with College Music Prags
Can confirm…I’ve tried to change channels with a calculator several times throughout my life. The results were less than satisfactory so I just ate a toy soldier then dumped a bowl of cereal on my head 🤷♂️
We've all been there.
I finished a puzzle in 2 years although it said 3 - 5 years
Try crayons nest time; more flavors than toy soldiers!😅
brilliant comment
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As someone in the military, when you lose something incredibly important, a lot of people will take that item and make it seem like another lower level person took it. It’s safe for me to assume that Fletcher indeed took the folder in order to compensate Neiman’s desire to play and by taking the folder, engaging that opportunity for Neiman to play without any notes whatsoever and by pure memory. Purely malicious for sure but very interesting to see this shown in film.
I was just thinking about how, despite having nothing to do with the military, this movie and the way the characters behave are very reminiscent of the way soldiers act.
Gear adrift was what I always heard it labeled…I left a PC laying around once in the TOC, not at my desk, and it somehow got stolen, and a large penis drawn on the care instructions label. Ahh, the military…good times.
8151 more games than Mattell.
I was in the Army only 3 years, 80-83. In Germany, the 3rd Infantry didn't play games like that they just prepared for war and where a fighting machine. However, back in the states, I was in the 1st Cav. They where nothing but a crap show. In WW2 they got their butts kicked so bad, they lost their colors. Anyway, since then, they where what we call an inspection ready unit. They constantly prepared and prepped for inspections, not war readiness. They also played silly games too like when someone leaves something even for a few seconds and some Officer or Officer kiss butt can swipe it, they would and give it to the Colonel and the person that got it swiped and his next in command would have to go see the Colonel to go get it.
@@tramdr The losing their colors thing is a myth. The 1st Cav is one of the most decorated divisions in the U.S Army, get a clue.
"flexible tempo dipshit" is one of my favorite quotes in this entire movie. I've stolen it and called my friends that.
I went to a WELL known University for music and I can tell you the pressure can be this great. However, Fletcher was abusive and often went too far. I have had my share of tough conductors and professors, but none of them were abusive to this level. Music performance can be brutal and often soul crushing. I have since left teaching music because it just becomes too much. This movie tells a great tale of what it really does take to be successful as a professional musician.
Literally just play the fucking song
I absolutelly love the dilemmas that this movie brings about music in general, as a musician i know that if you only play "having fun" you most certainly will get stagnated playing the same shit forever and ever, practicing, and i mean REAL practicing is the most boring and stressful thing, you get that exercise and you do it 300x until you know it in the depths of your soul, that is REALLY not fun, but when you finally get it you can have some fun with it, in the case of musicians like andrew it will almost never happen since he will never stop pushing that limit, because he wants to be the best, and is totally up to you to know if it is worth to destroy your social life by practicing 8h+ each day to be one of the bests
Huh?????!!!!???
@@dannysunay4386 what? im pretty sure my point was stated correctly.
@@Requiario_I Agreed
Holy shit, this is so true
This is why having grit and conviction is important. The pursue of extraordinary. The dream of almost every Asian parent. ...because being good-enough means you're just the same as every billion other people.
For a guy with that medical problem, you'd think he would be more careful with the folder.
he was a tool after all
Even the good ones have plot holes...
@@timb37 Fletcher most likely hid it on purpose to try and embarrass neiman because he knew he’d screw up.
It's a movie
@@timb37 pretty sure the dude was bullshitting to cover himself
Character driven classic. It’s JK at his finest. “He didn’t know. And that’s worse”.
No one is talking about how the dude who gets told by fletcher to get out of his sight is schwaz from Henry danger
The best part about this movie which is lost to a lot of people is the part where Fletcher is playing Jazz in the club and doing a really poor job of it. It's the most milk toast bland thing you can do and he is playing as if he is soulful. Fletcher embodies the phrase "Those who can't do, teach."
It's "milquetoast."
I think that saying is under rated. Those who teach give those with talent the opportunity to rise above. If not for those who can appreciate true genius, but cannot achieve the level required, there would be little achievement, for those who do not have the opportunity, but are gifted. My eternal respect for those who teach, push for perfection, lacking the gift, but understanding the necessity for perfection.
@@joelglanton6531 and I guess you don't say "bone apple teeth" when you give people food either.
@@joelglanton6531 Thanks. I was ready to scream. "Milk toast" is what I had for breakfast today.
@@DanteRiley i was just thinking of the subteddit
One thing we can learn from this film/clip is that an abusive authority figure trickles-down throughout the organization. Whether it's a company president, department manager, team coach/captain, or the father/mother of a family... when the leader is abusive, everyone down the totem-pole tends to treat THEIR subordinates abusively.
This is actually a very important lesson which society does not yet pay enough attention to.
I don't see any abuse
@@jamesalexander8872 then you are probably being abused XD
@@jamesalexander8872 Did you see the movie?
Funny enough the same thing can be seen in blazing saddles, except in reverse. We keep moving up the totem pole, and each person seems like a leader until you meet their boss and realize they’re an incompetent moron
@@sneekiersnek3122 I'm all for 'tough love'. We SHOULD hold students/children to higher standards -- you can be strict with them and demanding absolutely. But name calling? hurling insults? degrading and demeaning them? Making fun of someone for being gay? Coming down hard on a student who is bloodied, who just went through a horrific car accident because he was late? This is Trump-style cruelty. He totally ravaged that one fat kid who ended up committing suicide, and for what? He wasn't even the one who was out of tune, right? This is what's called abusiveness. The only person who 'benefits' from it is Fletcher's own ego, and dark inner desire to hurt others who are subordinate to him. This is the kind of authoritarian abusiveness that happens in low-class families (like Trump supporters). And it only serves to destroy... destroy relationships, lives, spirits, souls. It's the kind of thing that can destroy the world if we let it be 'ok'.
i am convinced that fletcher was the one who took the sheets
Whenever I see this guy I always see him as Schillinger on OZ.
Even at 1:21 it sounded like he was gonna say the N word like schillinger…
Yeah for those still skeptical, think of it like this. Fletcher specifically mentioned not to leave these folders around and from a filmic standpoint, especially with a critically acclaimed film like this, it wasn’t a coincidence for the director to have the folder to go missing and have literally the most bat shit crazy tell his band NOT to lose it. The “why did he do it” however, is completely up to interpretation.
Well , thank you so much for this insight shared with us no nothings . Great job figuring out this “ Purple Patch “ . Friggin Captain Obvious.
Oh the why is simple to understand in my opinion, it's not really a matter of interpretation. We discover throughout the movie that to Fletcher, finding his prodigy was more important than whatever reputation he had. Just another instance of pushing people cause that's the only way to reveal what's truly inside. He talks about this repeatedly. He saw an opportunity and took it. If Neiman didn't step up, eventually the folder would have been found before they went on stage. Pretty safe gamble with a huge potential reward. =)
Can anyone write in English anymore? Damn, I can't tell what any of these comments are saying lol.
oh wow everyone knew that
@@Person-lk1vs Really? How'd you figure?
If Fletcher did take the folder then i would like to see that scene. Fletcher must've been very close, watching, probably predicted he'd leave the folder on the chair to buy something from the vending machine. Fletcher then with his perfect timing, swiftly snatched the folder and smoothly ran to the quickest exit. Or maybe he came in from the ceiling attached to a wire like a jewel thief.
Not like a jewelry thief. More like a spider type guy.
@@artvandalay13 yes, just like a certain someone he secretly admires.
Probably he asked his friend spiderman to snatch the folder.
@@artvandalay13 spider type guy you say? sounds like a menace, A CRIMINAL. SOMEONE LIKE HIM SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
Dude did steal Spiderman's outfit.
J.K. Simmons awesome actor. 100%
All he has left is spiderman
I like to believe that Andrew hid the folder on purpose, knowing that Tanner can't play without it, it's not impossible that Andrew planned this from the start so that Fletcher would let him play
The big theory is that Fletcher hid the folder so Andrew would play. He preferred Andrew.
Fletcher took it. The man is lightning fast and silent as you can see near the end of the film in the piano club scene.
@@Plainbear Fletcher doesn't seem like the type of person to conceal his thoughts and/or actions. Know what I'm saying?
Wait, so its never addressed in the movie who took the folder?!
@@Darklight65583 Nope. The big theory is that the Teacher took it because he knew Andrew could do the job if he felt like it was his last chance.
It’s crazy how a janitor taking the folder changed the plot so drastically!
Andrew should really thank that nice janitor for jumpstarting his career and further abuse from Fletcher.
I didn't see no Janitor, I see the guy calling him a dumb f**k probably took it and quickly threw in the garbage before yelling at him because he was sick of playing drums.
@@HugoStiglitz89 no there's a third drummer in the film forgot his name and he's the one who took it
does anyone think maybe Fletcher got rid of it?
@@northcoteknights This is the comment I was looking for...yeah its hard to say but that's at least my personal best guess.
I need to upload this scene myself bc im tired of rewatching this masterpiece in 360p
I've watched this video 10 times and all 10 times I've tried to up the resolution only to be disappointed that it can't go any higher
This movie had me literally sitting on the edge of my seat. Haven't been this invested in any movie in quite a while!
6:01 those notes still give me PTSD
hello there
lol same
Trying to learn the drums, mr Kenobi?
is it possible to learn this power
@@alfredino724 Not from a Jedi
Mini Me didnt have the makings of a varsity athlete.
Sharp as a fuckin' cue ball, dis onel
Far as I remember he used to wait in the car, and as far as I'm concerned he should still be there!
Small hands
Will you make the same fucking joke every time?
@@user-ce1cu5my4j right! Like its not even funny anymore. Plus in this context Its far from funny. They are just desperate for some internet points
lol...I love this guy...he is like a humorous mixture of my Marine boot Drill Instructors and my favorite Differential Equations prof in Engineering College.
This scene is how I first heard of this amazing movie.
people mistakenly see this scene as the characters coming to understand accept each other, but really its just Fletch happy that he molded someone into being a vessel for him.
Im not sure how to feel chief
I always had this theory that Neiman never really messed up the tempo in whiplash like fletcher was saying he was. In the end with that whole "good job" scene and Charlie Parker story, it becomes immensely clear that Neiman always had the talent, Fletcher knew it and just wanted to push him (like how Parker was pushed). I also believe that it was Fletcher who took the folder, to afford Neiman the opportunity he was so desperately craving. He knew he was practicing that same song everyday after their first meeting. He knew Neiman knew it by heart, he didn't have to ask, just wanted to see the level of confidence he had in a high stress situation. Brilliant writing.
Actually he did but it was super super minute miss.
Yeah. JK Simmons communicated ALL of that with one eye shift. 04:53.
Sanjay Gupta owes his career to this movie
It's so surreal hearing JK Simmons swear. In most of his appearances I've seen, he's pretty tame, language-wise. Even in his most unhinged moments as Cave Johnson, he never goes beyond "ass" or "damn." I kinda like seeing him act so off-the-wall here.
check out oz
@@roop-a-loop that was my intro to Simmons, too..I think I have the exact opposite perspective as the commenter above
Clearly you've never met Vernon Shillinger
@@ChannelUmptyThree I have no idea who that is, so you're absolutely right. :P
Invincible is just voice acting but the language was strong with great delivery, perfect casting.
The likelihood of Fletcher stealing the folder is actually pretty damn high if you think about it. Those folders really only serve THIS purpose, so a thief would get NOTHING out of stealing one. And this is a musical competition. If another musician accidentally grabbed the folder, they would have returned to try to rectify the situation or turned the folder into the judges/their band director to avoid a shitstorm.
No, whoever took that folder WANTED it to vanish at that exact moment.
Nowadays tweakers will take literally anything, break into any building, etc.
But the movie was made back in the day where that wasn't the case. So I think you are right.
Fletcher 100% took the folder on purpose.
Fletcher being kind and soft when there is a friend with his child is disturbing to me. He is an agression fueled sociopath, just enjoying his powertrips
0:00- 0:49 Dad mode vs work mode
you sure it isnt the opposite?
@@TheChocoboRacer lol I'm sure with some jobs it is. Good point haha
He's positively polite compared to the way Buddy Rich spoke to his band.
Or Tommy Dorsey
Exactly. Teaching a retard to use a calculator is a super kind thing to do. This guy is actually helping these kids more than 90% of teachers. Truly a perfect role model.
“I can still fucking see you mini-me!” Best line in this scene
youtube knows how much I love this scene because it's been recommended to me every two weeks for the last couple months - and I click it every time
One day I’ll watch this movie instead of just TH-cam clips.
I can't watch entire movies anymore, TH-cam has demolished my attention......erm....forgotten what I was saying.
No more clips for you. See. The. Movie. It's stressful but amazing. 'Fame' meets 'Full Metal Jacket.'
Pretty sure the first time I saw a clip from this movie was 2018. Every now and then, another clip will be recommended and I always watch it.
0:28 don't worry Little Girl's Dad, the trauma she will be discussing with her shrink when she's in her 30s won't be stemming from you or her childhood.
what....
@@sabertoothwallaby2937 the conductor (JK Simmons) is extremely harsh and strict and pushes people to their mental limits , even suicide
@@frzd8chickensoup Lmao
@@KRoyski you’re trying wayyy too hard to be edgy
@@emilal I just thought it was funny calm down emily.
1:43 I CAN STILL FUCKIN SEE YOU MINI ME
I'm convinced Fletcher is the one who took the folder just for Neiman to shine.
There are some characters in movies that I could never envision being played by someone else. No one but JK Simmons could have done this
False. .
Then who else?
I think Michael Keaton could’ve done this and knocked it out the park.
John C. Mcginley
Gary Busey, John McEnroe, Sam Kinison.