Custom Cantilever Suspension | Mustang Hot Rod Build
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On this episode of The Fab Forums I finish up the custom cantilever suspension for the rear of the Mustang Hot Rod Build.
Welcome to The Fab Forums. My name is Kyle Voss and I produce Custom Motorsports Fabrication content of all forms for you. Carbon Fiber, TIG Welding, Metal Shaping, Hot Rods, Muscle Cars, Custom Choppers, and everything in between. I work hard to bring you new content on a weekly basis.
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I have built several Chevy trucks on this channel. The first was my 1964 C10 named Crown Spoyal and the most recent C10 truck project was the 1969 I currently have named the Black Pearl.
I am also finishing up a custom twin turbo Ford Mustang build I call the Gray Goose. It’s a 400 cubic inch Windsor style engine with twin 70mm turbos. I am hoping to make around the 1000 horse power mark to the tires on this particular build.
Last but not least is the one off custom hot rod build called the Bibbster. This is what I call a modern day hot rod. It’s made from an old Ford Mustang foxbody, but made to look like an old school open wheeled hot rod.
I also feature other fabricators and shops like Cutworm Specialties hand formed aluminum wide body kit for a BMW e46. Jeb Greenstone has also built a twin turbo, coyote powered model A style hot rod from scratch, and is currently building a Toyota TE72 wagon drift car powered by a 1UZ Lexus v8. Jeb’s custom fabrication skills are fun to watch and always make for good videos.
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I may be 76 now, but I started in my backyard in the 60's interested in this automotive fab-work. Was poor in Fairfield, Ill, but bowered dad's tools, burned-up all his welding gas 48 Mercury Club-Coupe (1st-project). Later got in electronics, made a career / family, wife passed in 2016, now I want to fab some, before I get too-dam-old. BTW, I one of your man you tube fans, love it!
awesome man....never too old !
I really like the customization you did to that handheld bandsaw with the custom stand! Lol
Bravo! I'm a lowrider hydraulic guy and the one thing that is a little disappointing to me about our scene is people don't innovate with the hydraulics enough. I love the fresh perspective and you take on a different way to fabricate a hydraulic suspension.
i had a shitty day at work but watchin you build those cantilevers just made my day and put a big smile on my face. thank you
thats awesome....glad I could help
Glad I am not the only one using thin mechanic gloves to tig weld in.
love mine
Love this build cant get enough of it
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I am Really enjoying this Series build Sir, God Bless All
+Gary Parker awesome
Very slick work! That's going to be a bad ass whip.....
+firemanjim324 thanks
Great job Kyle! That suspension will work fine. I don't see why people are saying it's going to move side to side. Chevy has been do it for decades.
so has ford
Not a fan of mustangs but I am a fan of creativity and craftsmanship...and this build is full of both! Can't wait to see the finished product
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I am following your vids, and listen closely to the creative processes that just flow out that mind. If i lived in the same local as you i would take you high tech 3D design and exotic Carbon-Fiber, Zylon, Kevlar, and a slew of other fab conciderations for just the free opportunity to create. Mine is a long exposure to composites, as well as 37yrs. steel plate fitter/CNC burner. Over the years i have seen first hand guys that do any print to any steel fab(some small to 50tons). I have seen from scratch fitters, the very best period, and the more i see your vids the more inclined i am to believe your top notch from scratch!! Keep up the good work.
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as a guy whos just starting to get into welding and fabrication, watching you make that little metal brake blew my mind. i was watching the parts come together thinking how tf is that gonna bend metal, and then BAM bent. perfect. wow man. youre one of my biggest inspirations going in to fabrication
yeah sometime you just need to keep it simple....thanks
essentially what the rear cantilever does, is allow you to raise and lower the car by raising and lowering, in principle, the top of the shock tower. Its a unique take on the standard mini-truck go-to of cantilevered bags. kudos man, over-engineered is best engineered!
yeah exactly
I like the concept, I would have done reverse on the ram so when the ram is lowered all the way the vehicle is at ride height. That way if you broke a line or something it would be drivable. Also the cantilever pin should probably be much larger and have a bearing perhaps.
Sweet this been on my mind for a while now.
Awesome as usual. I see the vision!
+Mike Perotti thanks
Some times scale is hard to determine in video bolts appear smaller diameter makes sense now l appreciate your work thank you
+Richard Kiefer Yeah. The hard part is the rear tires and those cantilevers are huge which makes everything else look small
All I can say is, " Your awesome ".
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Looking good, lateral movement won’t be an issue in a flat plane.
I just realized how much it’s looking like a sand car with street tires👍
yeah for sure
I'd never question what you do man, ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!! Stoked to see her coming together 👍🏻👍🏻. Sure will be cool
+CHVLKiD thanks
Don't forget the zinc blocks on the frame for when you put it down while driving. 😀
+Allen McKinney lol
Great video as always!
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Killen it son..
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Man that thing is really turning into a piece of art, so amazing...
Yeah I really what it to have an engineering style to it....
wanted to do this same style of suspension on a 4x4 and street truck combo. thank you for a proof of concept
I had an air suspension idea, basically the same as yours, but with bags instead of hydraulics. Never seen a cantilever setup like this before. Cool stuff!
+Warren Maslowski thanks
Gday from West Australia.
I have been watching comments on cantilever idea.
More importantly I have been listening to you coz it's your hot rod build 😊
I like what I hear and see😊
I was classically trained in Automotive Engineering 😊
I am the 3rd generation of My Creative Craft shall we say😊
My hat comes off to you in regards to you vision, creativity, craftmanship, etc.
2 Thumbs up from me😊
Awaiting in anticipation of the next instalment you be doing the work son😊
+Steve Veness thanks Steve
Cool stuff sir
+Monkey Fabrication Garage thanks
Who is complaining about side to side movement? If they're skeered of a triangulated 4 link, they can hope back in their Prius and complain to their wife about how their slow, bad handling car's feeling got hurt before they could make it to their safe space. I say that because there's no way they'll make it down the trail to address me with complaints, and they cant drive straight enough to address Kyle either. Panhard Panseys!
Love the design Kyle! Keep doing your thing!
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Great video Kyle!!!!!!!!!
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I watch, I learn, I subbed therefore I love.
lol..thats awesome
Hey man, your suspension vision made sense before this video. Don't doubt yourself. Looking good. Keep doing work son!
yeah just trying to get everyone else to get it....sometimes I think its a lost cause
Can not wait to see this! Your awesome man!
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The goodness is plenty! Might be my favorite foxbody!
+Matt L awesome
SICKKKK AFFF!!
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The right air ride components would ride better than your current QA1 coil over shock. With that said, your cantilever setup will have a good visual impact. And more importantly, it is your project so do what you like! I enjoy watching your vids, we highlight them on the site from time to time. Keep it up.
yeah I would agree...not really after ride quality on this build....more about changing things up a bit. The next c10 build I do will for sure have air
Damn that wielding table is awsome
+josh dylan I love it !
I had something of the same idea for the cantilever arms but on a much bigger scale with big rig axle and a 671 detroit. Not a true hot rod or rat rod, just my crazy vehicle that I have dreamed up and going to build as soon as I finish getting the final parts to start building it. Everybody has there own idea of what looks good and should not let people that disagree with what they think is cool stop them from building it. Opinions are like a$$holes everybody has one and some are $hitter than others. Keep doing you. Thanks for the videos and info.
If you're going with hydraulic fluid I suggest using pilot operated check valves so when you get to ride height there is no way it will drift down on you. Also flow control valves should do the trick for slowing it down 👍
+Jared guede Yeah that's the plan
You sly dog!!!! Smart a.f. using the best of both worlds. I gotcha. This is Utah William. If you have any side load issues the 03 Crown Vic has a watts link set up that is definetly worth a look. Us fabricators at Petersen's watch you alot and the Bibster rocks brother keep it up.
Awesome, thanks
It wont have any side load issues
The Fab Forums. That's awesome to hear. Very excited to see what you do with the front. I hope that the Bibster will pave the way to a whole new hot rod era. Show people you don't have to buy a freakin prius.
Saw the beginnings of this project way back,looks great...Keep up the great work!!!
thanks man
Just sub'd to your channel! Felliw Fab-Head here! I'm pretty impressed with your ideas and passion for the cause! Keep turning and burning Brother! Dimple dies are the shizzy.
+Wanna Humpalot thanks
Great build. Very creative. Canti set up without panhard will work fine. Had several triangulated 4 links before. They don’t move sideways! Maybe put a sway bar in it.
Great work on that cantilever setup, looking forward to seeing how you overcome your ideas for the front as well.
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If it was me building this suspension I would put a bar from the upper bar mount to the main hoop where the belt bar is because it isn’t at a node. Other wise looks awesome.
This is the first video of yours I've stumbled upon 👍 and I'm glad I did! That dimple die action is awesome 😍😍 looks like I'm headed to Eastwood after I finish watching the video!
So much win here dude. Friggin' awesome. Loving the way it's turning out. Genius!
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You are an inspiration mate! The shit you do makes me want to get out there and try something bigger
awesome...thats the plan
You do great work by the way
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The Fab Forums word🇺🇸💯
I guess I'm special......I get it. Makes perfect sense to me. Fab on Kyle!
+dragbikedemon awesome
Hit the like before the video start! Fabulous! Thanks.
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guy with big balls. welding aside of a bottle of acetone. nerves of steal. lol
+Thomas Storm yeah
Dope video as always
+Alyx Bridgeford thanks
Should continue with the same kind of design on the front. Think it would make the the look of the car flow very well.
+Kenton Steckler it will be similar
How bout that side to side. When u start sending it. You'll find out pretty quick, lol. Good thing about being a fab man. You break it, u fix it better.
yeah the other good thing about being a fab man is I have already built and tested it on other projects several times.
I’m sure glad that you’re working on the bibster. Those shop prep videos were taking forever and bumming me out
I've watched these vids so religiously I've got welders flash.fml!
lol
those rubber bushings are to aid in stoppin the rearend housing from getting cracked wen in a stress position ,to ease impact against the rear end housing
Nah....alot of your performance shocks dont have any rubber. The rubber is mainly to combat road noise.
Loving the build. I am not crazy about the bracket that is bolted to the upper link arms, then bolted to axle brackets. It would look a lot more clean to cut off the factory brackets on the axle and build a truss, then weld tabs onto the truss for the heim joints.
yeah
Amazing skills, and amazing workshop. Greetings from Poland !
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This is bloody cool!
Love this build
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Very cool. Love the look, no messy tube structure coming out for the coilover mounts. I think the trianglated four link setup will be fine, especially with all rubber bushings eliminated. But what do I know, I am one class short of a motorsports engineering technology degree. Keep it up, waiting to see the front suspension.
yeah for sure....thanks
"Just cause".....Love it.
I just stumbled onto this video, and it looks like it's a few months old. I looked through the comments. The triangulated 4-link is what the off-road builds use, no issue going without panhard bar. I was kinda surprised no one asked about your geometry for your anti-squat and whether or not you did the calculations for that.
Yeah its triangulated four link and I setup the instant center when attaching the mounting tabs
The Fab Forums , I was asking about anti-sqwat. That is going to be a calculation based on the length and angles of the links in relation between the upper and lower. Depending on the setup, could cause the rear to either lift or squat under acceleration. Drag cars will change their link locations depending on track conditions for better traction or better launch from what I understand.
Super cool Kyle!! Looking forward to seeing the Bibbster cruisin' the streets.
I just wish I knew how to weld. My project is a bit different than yours, but still requires welding. I guess I'll have to get a mobile welder to come out and tackle the job.
Looks awesome can't wait to see it rolling around
+durtyonecustoms thanks
Good suspension system
looking good
+MODSS Modra thanks
Your whole settup looks very nice. Great quality and your videos have always been impressive. The only thing I would beef up is the pivot point for the cantilever, cause it will be taking the full load of the suspension to frame stress.
Its actually over kill for what it needs to do. It only needs to support the weight of the rear section of the car which might be 500lbs on each side max.
If you wind up having trouble with side to side movement of the rearend housing, you can fully eliminate your problem by fabbing up a watts link for it. If you do the watts link, here is a piece of advice. You definitely dont want to attach the center section to the differential cover. It will put unwanted stress on the cover and can possibly some of the internals. Its trouble you dont want.
Its not gonna have side to side movement
The Fab Forums. Im with you. I doubt you will have much side to side movement.......if any at all
Awesome build. Love watching. Keep it up
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I'm really loving this background music! You didn't list it in the description.
Sweet set up!!!! Looking forward for the rest of the build.
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Hell yeah man that car is gonna be so badass
+Hoagie Sherlin thanks
very cool sir
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Love what you are doing here. Can hardly wait to see the finished project.
Just a thought on your cantilever links: I would weld some doubler slugs to the ends where the bolts go through for the shocks and the hydraulic cylinders. The bearing stress will be very high in these areas, and will Brinell the holes. A 1/4” thick washer welded to either side will reduce the stress to 1/3 what it currently is.
As I said, just a thought. Keep up the awesome work!!
+Skid Roe yeah gonna make that happen
Genio!!! Felicitaciones por la dedicación que le pones a los fierros!
With the cantilever I would make a piece that ran the length of the bottom. The reason is the strength of a triangle comes from the tensile strength of the of the lower member and the distance between the upper and the lower faces. Think of it like this an I beam is skinny in the middle which is the sides of your triangle, and thick one the top and bottom. It would have to stretch the lower part of the beam to fail and the web is just meant to keep it strait and the upper and lower flanges parallel.
it has one
The Fab Forums I’m not trying to insult you in any way. I go to school for engineering, and I noticed that the piece on the bottom of your cantilever doesn’t run from the shock mounting point it the body mounting point. My only concern is that steel is easy to bend sideways but hard to stretch and the tabs at the ends are un-triangulated. If the rear end articulated to much you may push those tabs sideways.
Kyle, awesome build. Love the cantilever setup! Got to get me some dimple dies.
yeah they are cool for sure
I'm from Brazil, I'm really looking forward to seeing this creation, and congratulations +1 subscribed
+Jaz Abriteuco Awesome. Thanks
Dude I love the idea of this car it’s amazing
thanks...more coolness to come
Going together nicely! Nice fab work.
+Billy Bowerman thanks
The Fab Forums no problem! I have a turbo Silverado I have been fabbing some stuff with. Just using a Hobart mig for now but it does a decent job. One day I'll have a tig lol
Wow I really dig that idea for the cantilever. Very col.
+James Maier thanks
Been following this since you started the Bibster - loving it! Great job Kyle! I see how your stuff just "magically" lines up, like the fact that the cage down tubes just happen to be the same width as the LCAs. You must have more than just ideas in your head - you must have tons of dimensions and calculations in a notebook somewhere with drawings and sketches. That would be a good "tool" video - the design notebook. Looking forward to the meetup in Austin Kyle!
thanks....believe it or not its all in my head
This is exactly what I had on the rear of my mini truck back in the 90s. You definitely make it look a lot better than what I had. I’m digging this build totally. Definitely slow her down in the travel motion or you will be replacing a lot of mounting points. I’m pretty confident that you will have no side to side tracking issues with the triangulated set up. Triangles are very strong if I can remember correctly😂. This set up usually binds pretty bad at the joints but you relieved that with all of the Hiem ends.
+Dirt Heretic 83 Yeah for sure
Now I understand. Looks like it should work just right to me.
+1dickycat cool
I didn't see any welding glasses on you young man. Totally awesome build!
Fab Frigging Fantastic
Awesome man. Good job and keep it up. Your an inspiration no doubt! Good stuff!
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That “In the shadows” song is a total rip of Iron Maiden Stranger in a strange land! But cool nonetheless, imitation as they say...
pure awesome.
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Good stuff dude! Great how you describe your thought process on the build. And I love the uniqueness of this build. I don't think side movement will be an issue. Works just fine for the rockcrawlers. Make sure you put the ground clamp on the links when you weld on them on the chassis. You might be and I didn't see it. But if you didn't then the current has to go through the heims.
+Doug Bug Yeah for sure
Looking good! I think you should do a video on 4 link covering instant center, roll center etc
dont know that I want to open that can of worms on youtube
Great music bub!
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Looks sick. Keep up the great vids and builds.
+Don Petillo thanks
I'm diggin it!
Amazing build! I've been watching your channel all day.
I just want to comment on your terminology... That is not a cantilever arm, it is a bell crank.
Thnx for sharing the Bibbster
Mike(y) B
No its a cantilever. The stationary pivot inst in the center, but actually over the shock. The chassis and the hydraulic portion of the cantilever are the only parts that move.
The stationary portion of a Bell Crank is in the center...
looks awesome kyle.
+troy king thanks
Great work and job. One question. On your pivot hole. I did see a spacer in between the plates. The spacer could have a bearing in it. Great job never stop building.
ohhh yasss! bloody marvelous!!