Unfortunately, this happens all too often. The Pacific Soup in California is an example of power-hungry AA leaders who do not care about the traditions.
There are no leaders in AA, only humble servants. And there are no rules, only suggestions. And we are not doctors. We leave medication issues between ourselves and our doctors. There’s is one very important job we have on this earth, and that is to keep ourselves alive. If medication keeps us alive, then we must take our medication. A A is only for those who wish to stop drinking. Period.
Im Troy . I left the Brain washing off the AA fellow ship after 4years ove going Dayly with out a drink. THE TRUTH IS . THAT this WAS THe VERY THINGS THAT DROVE ME AWAY. THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT SAYING LIVES .Bottom line. To help and get.help out side help if needed. Not to run the a person who has a problem down .
This group preys on the people attending the Tully Hill rehab facility. I was briefly sucked in this way. When I left, butternut members intimidated me by following me to other meetings.
“Another group member committed suicide in 2008. One former member recalled hearing a troubled young man at meetings repeatedly describe how he wanted to kill himself, laying out clearly his plans. Months later, he carried out his plan. No one in the group took action, the former member said.” (Quoted from the full article) Interestingly, the last place THIS young man was prior to his death was Commonwealth Rehab. This is a Rehab run by Crouse Hospital. Hmm... I wonder if the good doctor in the video would be willing to run comparative statistics on clients vs. members whose sobriety ended in overdose or suicide. That could be a compelling read. The Syracuse Group definitely did take action- every time this young man mentioned suicide.
Yeesh, that was the longest pharmaceutical ad ever. So let me get this straight: Syracuse.com is doing a hit piece on the Syracuse AA group, and their primary leads are the mentally ill drop-outs?
Steve Stevenson He does sound like a tyrant of sorts. Shame on these vultures for even considering such an “investigation,” a word that I use loosely, considering the complete absence of anything that even resembles objectivity. They directly accuse the alcoholics of killing the kid who hung himself, but fail to mention that suicidal ideation is a side effect of the drug he was on, Prozac. Add alcohol to Prozac and you have got yourself a suicide cocktail. An ex-drunk “telling” you to ween off your meds doesn’t carry quite the risk, and there are other AA groups that likely don’t give two shits. The preachy drunks will probably shun all this nonsense, but if they were smart, they would go after these opinionated hacks for libel/defamation of character.
In some places it isn’t easy. Where I’m at in Columbus, most of the meetings aren’t like this, but a couple are. However, there are a ton of meetings in Columbus, it’s easier to find one that is pro-meds than anti. That’s not the entire United States.
@@BigBookBasicTraining there are, but if this was your first introduction to AA and you're impressionable it's easy to see how you get stuck with this group. they essentially brainwash you like a cult.
There's a lot of this attitude throughout AA, even in "mainstream" AA. It's simply suspiciousness at all medications and an assumption that ALL medications by EVERY alcoholic/addict constitute relapse or addictive behavior. AA is literally stuck in a time warp of 1939, where it believes ALL addiction can and should be treated by its own brand of "spiritualism". It's an unregulated group of untrained and undereducated non-professional ex-addicts who insist on a narrow set of tools to treat addiction. For all the "millions" they claim to save there are many millions more who are lost between the cracks. Of course, members always blame the ADDICT, because "the program is perfect. It's only addicts who fail the program." Very closed, sick thinking.
zyxwut321 Oh you’re spot on, slick. Pills! Pills are the answer! You get pills, and you get pills, and you get pills!! How many mass shooters were prescribed meds, again? Remind me because I forget.
Unfortunately, this happens all too often. The Pacific Soup in California is an example of power-hungry AA leaders who do not care about the traditions.
They need to do something about these perverted predatory 13th steppers too!
There are no leaders in AA, only humble servants. And there are no rules, only suggestions. And we are not doctors. We leave medication issues between ourselves and our doctors. There’s is one very important job we have on this earth, and that is to keep ourselves alive. If medication keeps us alive, then we must take our medication. A A is only for those who wish to stop drinking. Period.
I had a guy tell me he would not sponsor me if i drank Kombucha
37 years sober through Steps meetings talk therapy and meds. You don't like it i dont care. By any means necessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im Troy . I left the Brain washing off the AA fellow ship after 4years ove going Dayly with out a drink. THE TRUTH IS . THAT this WAS THe VERY THINGS THAT DROVE ME AWAY. THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT SAYING LIVES .Bottom line. To help and get.help out side help if needed. Not to run the a person who has a problem down .
Dual diagnosis is most common!
This group preys on the people attending the Tully Hill rehab facility. I was briefly sucked in this way. When I left, butternut members intimidated me by following me to other meetings.
“Another group member committed suicide in 2008. One former member recalled hearing a troubled young man at meetings repeatedly describe how he wanted to kill himself, laying out clearly his plans. Months later, he carried out his plan. No one in the group took action, the former member said.”
(Quoted from the full article)
Interestingly, the last place THIS young man was prior to his death was Commonwealth Rehab. This is a Rehab run by Crouse Hospital.
Hmm... I wonder if the good doctor in the video would be willing to run comparative statistics on clients vs. members whose sobriety ended in overdose or suicide. That could be a compelling read.
The Syracuse Group definitely did take action- every time this young man mentioned suicide.
The guys are big babies
'The faults of others is not discussed. We stick to our own.' From sober people in the book Alcoholics Anonymous.
See the rest of the story - what the PS does not want you to know - here: @t
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That angry young ladies name is “Frank?” He or she sure does seem to think something of herself based on these audio clips.
Yeesh, that was the longest pharmaceutical ad ever.
So let me get this straight: Syracuse.com is doing a hit piece on the Syracuse AA group, and their primary leads are the mentally ill drop-outs?
Can I thumbs up this comment twice?
Steve Stevenson He does sound like a tyrant of sorts.
Shame on these vultures for even considering such an “investigation,” a word that I use loosely, considering the complete absence of anything that even resembles objectivity.
They directly accuse the alcoholics of killing the kid who hung himself, but fail to mention that suicidal ideation is a side effect of the drug he was on, Prozac. Add alcohol to Prozac and you have got yourself a suicide cocktail. An ex-drunk “telling” you to ween off your meds doesn’t carry quite the risk, and there are other AA groups that likely don’t give two shits.
The preachy drunks will probably shun all this nonsense, but if they were smart, they would go after these opinionated hacks for libel/defamation of character.
@@Dinometmusics I concur , 100 %
@@Dinometmusics They cant because the report is true. Truth wins over cult fantasy.
I attended that group and I'm not mentally ill. They are a straight up cult
Find another group,easy peasy
There’s probably hundreds of groups in that city. Just join a different group!
In some places it isn’t easy. Where I’m at in Columbus, most of the meetings aren’t like this, but a couple are. However, there are a ton of meetings in Columbus, it’s easier to find one that is pro-meds than anti. That’s not the entire United States.
Butternut members followed me to other groups r
@@BigBookBasicTraining there are, but if this was your first introduction to AA and you're impressionable it's easy to see how you get stuck with this group. they essentially brainwash you like a cult.
There's a lot of this attitude throughout AA, even in "mainstream" AA. It's simply suspiciousness at all medications and an assumption that ALL medications by EVERY alcoholic/addict constitute relapse or addictive behavior. AA is literally stuck in a time warp of 1939, where it believes ALL addiction can and should be treated by its own brand of "spiritualism". It's an unregulated group of untrained and undereducated non-professional ex-addicts who insist on a narrow set of tools to treat addiction. For all the "millions" they claim to save there are many millions more who are lost between the cracks. Of course, members always blame the ADDICT, because "the program is perfect. It's only addicts who fail the program." Very closed, sick thinking.
zyxwut321 Oh you’re spot on, slick. Pills! Pills are the answer! You get pills, and you get pills, and you get pills!!
How many mass shooters were prescribed meds, again? Remind me because I forget.
@@Dinometmusics You didnt forget. You just don't give a fu^^. Get honest.
@@Dinometmusics How many of them ate cereal for breakfast? GASP!