As a hi-sec miner mostly, with some experience running orca and rorq (briefly), here's my take: Rorquals are big, highly desirable killmails that entire corporations and alliances will hunt down and show up to kill, if they can catch you. They only work in null, so no CONCORD to protect you, and if you're sieged you're screwed. You absolutely NEED a corporation/alliance of your own who can come to your defense. If not, then absolutely DO NOT siege, and frankly, I wouldn't even invest in a rorq. Not worth the investment. Porpoises are viable, but kinda flimsy. You're fine using one in very high 10.0 or 9.0 sec, but it's not all that profitable in the long-run, unless you're boosting others... and the best way to do that is in a corp... where you probably have your own fields... and security... and you're just better off using a Retriever or Mackinaw, or an Orca. And if you decide to be brave and go into 6.0 or lower, the porpoise is kinda flimsy and a potentially easy gank that PvPers will go out of their way to kill. Orcas, however, are a lot more productive and a LOT tankier. In 10/9 security, they're basically unkillable, because no individual ship's gonna be able to kill them before CONCORD shows up, and a fleet's not quite worth the effort of trying. So you're almost perfectly safe in the highest security, although it'll take you a long time to pay off the orca. In 6.0 and lower, while more at risk, the Orca is at least a viable option and not really threatened by lone or small group hunters. Meanwhile, in Null, if you do siege the orca, it's not for as long, and you can get off the grid easier, so it's better for 'covert mining'. Though, if you're trying to be sneaky, clearly an Endurance is superior.
Great vid only thing I would like to me toon that conduit jumping is I responsible to use compared to bridging your toons. The cost of conduit jumping is insurmountable
Hey! love your videos. do you allow people in smaller guilds to party up in your mining fleets? Im a returning player but just joined a smaller group. They only moon mine and i was looking for more
I think I want to use a porpoise because seeing my corpmates using them - it really boosts the team. Since we always have blues mining I think I could get away with using siege too
10:58 that's how we do it. The Orca is already boosting the fleet like mad with bursts so the core is just used to online the compressor long enough for everyone to compress. I've never run the core for the boosts it gives since it burns fuel even with maxed skills like it's eating popcorn. Leaving it on and burning the fuel just makes no sense for the tiny boost it gives.
Honestly in null I don't care for the purpoise. My two barge alts make around 100mil per hour mining bistot, so 1.5 hours to replace the worth of a porp. The compression is what makes the porp useful. On top of that statistically spoken if a neut gets in system your core will be half cycled, so the average remaining cycle time is 37.5 seconds. You have 8 seconds align time. And the neut still has to dscan you and get on grid and lock you, so 47 seconds isn't a lot for all that depending on where you are in relation to the gate. The orca and rorq I do not siege in null(sometimes the orca if there's reliable people on for Intel that will warn me 2 systems ahead). I figured especially with moon mining having a POS on the moon you are mining, keeping the rorq/orca aligned to it and webbing it with your exhumers brings it's speed down low enough to be able to fully fill it before the roid pops and you need to leave grid anyways
Because of the fuel costs and only like 6% difference I don't bother with the industrial core on the orca unless I need to compress 🗜️ Even then it's just for one cycle to compress and then off it goes again.
So do you think the cost of heavy water is offset by the ore yield when using the T2 core in HISEC moon mining? I run 8 ORC's but thinking it would be too "heavy" on water lol.
i dont know how you are getting thse numbers or what they are, buit it looks like you cant math. My orca high skilled is 49.9m/s with the core on and 28.5m/s with the core off. that 30 mil per hours if mining veld in highsec t2 core on including the loss from stront, or 17 mil per hour with the core off. I have litterally never seen a rorq pilot before say you shouldent siege it.
As a hi-sec miner mostly, with some experience running orca and rorq (briefly), here's my take:
Rorquals are big, highly desirable killmails that entire corporations and alliances will hunt down and show up to kill, if they can catch you. They only work in null, so no CONCORD to protect you, and if you're sieged you're screwed. You absolutely NEED a corporation/alliance of your own who can come to your defense. If not, then absolutely DO NOT siege, and frankly, I wouldn't even invest in a rorq. Not worth the investment.
Porpoises are viable, but kinda flimsy. You're fine using one in very high 10.0 or 9.0 sec, but it's not all that profitable in the long-run, unless you're boosting others... and the best way to do that is in a corp... where you probably have your own fields... and security... and you're just better off using a Retriever or Mackinaw, or an Orca. And if you decide to be brave and go into 6.0 or lower, the porpoise is kinda flimsy and a potentially easy gank that PvPers will go out of their way to kill.
Orcas, however, are a lot more productive and a LOT tankier. In 10/9 security, they're basically unkillable, because no individual ship's gonna be able to kill them before CONCORD shows up, and a fleet's not quite worth the effort of trying. So you're almost perfectly safe in the highest security, although it'll take you a long time to pay off the orca. In 6.0 and lower, while more at risk, the Orca is at least a viable option and not really threatened by lone or small group hunters. Meanwhile, in Null, if you do siege the orca, it's not for as long, and you can get off the grid easier, so it's better for 'covert mining'. Though, if you're trying to be sneaky, clearly an Endurance is superior.
Great vid only thing I would like to me toon that conduit jumping is I responsible to use compared to bridging your toons. The cost of conduit jumping is insurmountable
solid video. good comparison on why, and when to siege, especially with the rorqual.
Hey! love your videos. do you allow people in smaller guilds to party up in your mining fleets? Im a returning player but just joined a smaller group. They only moon mine and i was looking for more
I think I want to use a porpoise because seeing my corpmates using them - it really boosts the team. Since we always have blues mining I think I could get away with using siege too
10:58 that's how we do it. The Orca is already boosting the fleet like mad with bursts so the core is just used to online the compressor long enough for everyone to compress. I've never run the core for the boosts it gives since it burns fuel even with maxed skills like it's eating popcorn. Leaving it on and burning the fuel just makes no sense for the tiny boost it gives.
Its way more than just a tiny boost especially for range, if you are on a moon, that 83km makes a huge difference.
Honestly in null I don't care for the purpoise. My two barge alts make around 100mil per hour mining bistot, so 1.5 hours to replace the worth of a porp. The compression is what makes the porp useful. On top of that statistically spoken if a neut gets in system your core will be half cycled, so the average remaining cycle time is 37.5 seconds. You have 8 seconds align time. And the neut still has to dscan you and get on grid and lock you, so 47 seconds isn't a lot for all that depending on where you are in relation to the gate. The orca and rorq I do not siege in null(sometimes the orca if there's reliable people on for Intel that will warn me 2 systems ahead). I figured especially with moon mining having a POS on the moon you are mining, keeping the rorq/orca aligned to it and webbing it with your exhumers brings it's speed down low enough to be able to fully fill it before the roid pops and you need to leave grid anyways
Because of the fuel costs and only like 6% difference I don't bother with the industrial core on the orca unless I need to compress 🗜️ Even then it's just for one cycle to compress and then off it goes again.
So do you think the cost of heavy water is offset by the ore yield when using the T2 core in HISEC moon mining? I run 8 ORC's but thinking it would be too "heavy" on water lol.
i dont know how you are getting thse numbers or what they are, buit it looks like you cant math. My orca high skilled is 49.9m/s with the core on and 28.5m/s with the core off. that 30 mil per hours if mining veld in highsec t2 core on including the loss from stront, or 17 mil per hour with the core off. I have litterally never seen a rorq pilot before say you shouldent siege it.
Higher yield doesn’t matter if ur rorqual dies without capital support. Also… an orca is not a rorqual
What's drag mining?
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the one where you dress up as a Drag queen and drag yourself around.,LOL😂😅
Just so you know your video is coming out very quiet.