Grumman LLV was built between 1987 and 1994. In Cleveland Ohio most have had numerous engines transmissions and rear axles. Most are on their 2nd frame. Some original frames are so rotted that they’re breaking in half. Our shop is welding patches in the rotted ones due to no more frame availability. We’ve been promised new vehicles for years now. No end in sight. It’s a mess.
The Grumman LLV came out in about 1988, not long after I started to work for the U.S.P.S. in March of 1986. Our sorting facility/vehicle maintenance garage had a big unveiling ceremony at an employee picnic. I was struck by how much larger it was than the Jeep Dispatcher that it was replacing. Now that the LLV is totally obsolete, I'm thinking about buying one at a government surplus auction and building it for 24 Hours of LeMons racing. Hey, the LLV was built on a Chevy S-10 chassis, so finding a kit to stuff an SBC in one is a piece of cake! Talk about "Express Mail"!
Steve as a retired Rural Carrier (33 years) i enjoyed this clip! Historically the Rural Craft provided their own vehicles to service their routes. USPS paid a vehicle allowance to the owner. I purchased an excessed American General Jeep (DJ 5?) for route use. I then upgraded to a brand new right-hand drive Jeep Cherokee ( interestingly it was the ONLY vehicle I ever made a profit on when I sold it!) Which I used until I was assigned a LLV.
My uncle in law . Rick was a post office work. He drove the mail route in pa. Always worn shorts and he moved down to south Carolina. He was a true awesome worker and awesome uncle. He left us to early but love seeing the trucks driving around.
Great vid Steve,as a retired PO mechanic with 38 years in Motor vehicle service I can say the PO tried out quite a few different vehicles, horses, steam, electric, propane diesel, you name it, As Tony said,the LLV was produced from 1987 to 1994 and since then frames,drivetrains changed out to keep them on the route. In 1987 I drove a brand new LLV around the block in Boston and thought to myself this thing wont make it 5 years,Well I was way off ,haha Regards
Osh kosh has a contract but hasn’t produced an actual working vehicle yet. The on in the pictures has no drive train. They’ve been pulling it around with a yellow strap by a tow vehicle just for photo ops. Haha
Steve, your collection of automotive literature is quite amazing. I had quite a collection that was lost in a house fire back in 2004. I just haven't had the drive to replenish it since. Maybe some day I'll get the desire to start collecting again. Thank you and Super Shane for providing these videos for us car enthusiasts!
Those "Crestline Publications" hardcover books by editor George Dammann are the very best for a description of every car made by every American car manufacturers -- books on Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Caddie, Ford, Lincoln etc. etc... l have the entire series.
Back when I was a kid in the 1960's I grew up in the city for the most part and all the mail was delivered by mailmen on walking routes. They picked up their mail from those big olive green US Mail drop boxes you used to see every couple of blocks. The postal service used those big Metro vans to load those drop boxes back then and of course we had twice a day delivery then also.
I had a 1959 rambler when I was a teen. There was a plate on the core support, very specific engine specs on it. 196.8 cid, 127.2 hp. Lol I also drove an old Metro step van for a business supply company delivering. It had a gas slant 4 banger, 3 speed manual on the floor. I remember that thing wouldn't go a lick over 47 mph, and first gear was super low, could only get about 4 mph, but it'd chirp a good 2nd, without too much grinding. Shhhhh...don't tell the boss!
Louis DeJoy is the reason I stopped selling on eBay. The mail delivery has become extremely unreliable under his "leadership". I experienced more than a few delivery problems both local and distant.
There was also the FFV, based on the Ford Explorer that replaced the LLV’s and was made for few years. They are identified by the flip up nose and the cargo window on the left hand side.
Where I used to work, we had a customer who was a mechanic for the Post Office. At that time, they were using Ford Windstar vans for some of their delivery vehicles. The mechanic said that the Post Office had to pay extra to Ford to have the AC deleted off the vans as all the vans had it as standard equipment. I suppose it saved them money in the long run due to maintenance costs of the AC system.
I have a 1978 right hand drive A.M. General Postal DJ5. It has a 232 with a 727 torque flight and posi reared. I use it to go to. Estate sales and garage sales and the swap meet. LOL!
Hi Steve, great video on this International Mail truck. I always enjoyed the industrial service vehicles you have showcased here on the Crawl this one is no exception. I'm surprised that the unions allowed their workers to ride in non-AC vehicles. But I can't see it being nothing but a cool breeze blowing, at times. The door or window would always be open or about to be opened up to pass a package to the mailbox. Then onto the next and few 100ft away in most cases. The price of stamps will definitely go up once those AC vehicles are in service 💸 🤣 Have a blessed day everyone 🤙🏼 Namaste 🙏🏼
The USPS has to petition for a rate increase in general. Yes, they will cite increased costs, but taxes do not fund the USPS. The sale of stamps and other products/services does.
@Google User GP Hi Mr GP 🤙🏼this is true but in March of 2022 The Senate voted to provide the Postal Service (USPS) with about $50 billion in financial relief over a decade and require its future retirees to enroll in a government health insurance plan. It's a big crap sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite.🤣 Namaste 🤙🏼
@@chrisscearce Yes, they will raise the rates and on paper, it's the sale of those items that will generate the money. In theory, it's the "same pair of pants, different pocket". It's like a government worker saying, "Well, it's not my money, I don't care". Essentially, it is if you're a tax payer. You in theory "fund" your own salary (along with your coworkers).
In my area the LLV has already been replaced with Mercedes Metris or RAM vans. Interestingly the Mercedes star in the grille has been replaced with the USPS bald eagle logo. I know the Metris are RHD for curb delivery but the RAM may still be LHD for walking routes, Im not sure.
We have both of those, and oddly enough, a couple Nissan made vans as well. All have 2 seats and a/c. A supervisor told me that the USPS was supposed to switch to Ford Transit vans about 4 yrs ago, but since the federal govt always drags its feet, Ford canceled the contract. I do believe that van is out of production now..
32¢? NO. The first Forever stamp issued in 2007, the Liberty Bell stamp, was 41¢. Current Forever stamps are 63¢. They are going up to 66¢ on July 9, 2023.
I've already seen some new Postal Service vans driving around our city in upstate NY...IIRC more than one model actually. I think one might be a RAM and the other the Nissan NV200 but I could be mistaken
No, the LLV vehicles ran from 1987 to 1994. The first digit of a postal vehicle number is the year of the vehicle. Yes, they are going to be replaced. Some routes already use a RH Stellantis ProMaster vehicles and some Dodge Caravans had been purchased already. You Tuber "Monster Rust" has a AM General postal truck on his channel with the tag line, "You've Got Mail". The LLVs have a fatal design flaw in some cases in that the washer fluid lines run over a heat source and because washer fluid contains flammable ingredients, there have been a few fires. Yes, they have a GM powertrain and the chassis is a RHD GM S Series chassis. In the early years, it was a 2.5L and later ones were a 2.2L and both were four cylinder. The transmission is a THM180 three speed automatic. The replacement "Next Generation Delivery Vehicle" is a mix of products, many made by Oshkosh Defense and the ICE powered ones have a 2.0L Ford Ecoboost. My late uncle Andrew, aka "Andy the Postman" was a USPS carrier for many years in NYC and loved his job. Everyone knew him, and many people on his route would call him "Postino" which is "Mailman" in Italian, as his route had a lot of Italian people on it. He never joined a gym because he was always fit from all of the walking he did on his route. He was a postman for many years, retiring in 1985. He got the job several years after he was in the Navy during WWII. His wife, my aunt Elena who we called "Libby" was a school safety agent for the NYC Board of Education for about 25 years. There are a fair amount of civil servants in my family on both sides. No, the Forever stamp came out much later in 2007 and they were 41 cents when they first came out. They are sold at the prevailing first class postage rate and then that stamp is good forever. So, a stamp bought in 2007 at 41 cents can be used today to mail a letter. The Post Office is structured by certain rules, and uniform service is guaranteed by law. UPS and other carriers technically pay a fee to use postal roads, and they sometimes cannot deliver to certain addresses. I actually prefer USPS over other carriers. They do a good job given what they have to work with. Taxes do not fund the postal service, and revenue is gained from mostly the sale of stamps and other products/services.
@@garymckee8857 It goes by contract. The vehicles are bid out on a proposal based off of a written specification done internally by the USPS. Whoever typically meets the specification at the lowest price is generally awarded the contract.
As a postal vehicle repair technician, I can tell you that almost every vehicle in the rust belt is not only on it's 6th or 7th engine... They are likely on their 10th or 11th transmission. But as rust generally does eat the steel parts, the frames are ALL rotted. They have replaced over the last 15 years almost 2/3rds of the frames with aftermarket square tube ones. The new generations of LLV, I believe, aren't going to last very long at all. I think their life span will ultimately be about 10-15 yrs and then they will need to be replaced again. Especially since we now live in a completely disposable society. We will see though. And as for the stop gap vehicles, they are Mercedes Benz metris vehicles. I've heard of some sections of the US using the Nissan NV200 as light duty vehicles. But, we do have promasters and other vehicles ranging all the way up to 11 ton dual rear wheel box trucks. And obviously tractor trailers as well.
@@derektrieglaff9103 I'm from Erie PA, definitely in the rust belt. Our primary mail vehicle is the Ford based one. Has been for a long time. Don't know much about them but I think they have a 3.0 liter ford v-6 and can be had in two or four wheel drive. Did you work on these? The LLV's are still here but used as back-ups. Don't understand why no one mentions the fords in the comments.
Every video has wrong information. The AMC 196 engine was out of production before 1970. It was replaced by the 199 engine which is what would he in that mail carrier van.
If you want a BRAND NEW Ford Pinto postal delivery car, AMT by Round 2 offers a nifty 1/25th scale model kit of one complete with correct USPS decal markings and box Art! And best of all, it'll never blow up!
Good luck air conditioning a vehicle here in Houston, TX, that’s driving around with its rather large side window open all day! I’ll be interested to see how they pull it off…….❄
Thanks, Steve, and no A/C may make it easier to do the job? One doesn't get nested in the cabin and not want to get out and walk, something like that. I know I sometimes feel that way about breaks at work, you sit down and then, arg, it gets hard to get back to it. But that's just me and I still never use A/C in my car. Maybe a rental when nothing really matters, but not in my personal car when I want as little as possible to go wrong with it.
@@tomkrisel4493 I'm okay either way with a work truck, each side has its merits. Just in general I think we Americans have demanded too much comfort and luxury from our motorized vehicles, for example, on these gorgeous spring mornings when it is slightly above or below perfect, I'll see cars and SUVs idling for like forever with the windows up and in bewilderment I wonder why, why not just enjoy some time in the cabin with windows up or down to suit. And O well, their call, their pursuit of comfort, just that I'd prefer not to run the engine like that.
The Grummans here are being replaced with some sort of Chinese vanthing. The ones I've seen have the Chery logo in the middle of the grille. Disturbing....
@@googleusergp What do you know about the Ford based replacements? They've been the primary vehicle in Erie PA for a long time. LLV's used as back-ups. No one mentions them. Think they have a ford 3.0 L V-6, and they come in two or four wheel drive.
@@Jupitermustangmike No. If you have a Forever stamp you can mail a first class letter up to a certain weight with it, whether that's today or 10 years from now. In your mother's case, she's having to add postage due to the fact that what she's mailing weighs more than the limit.
Not so fast , they could not be allowed because of the gas they emit like cattle it will rot everything, but punching through our atmosphere and into space is nothing.
I feel sorry for the horse that in 1792 would have brought all the fast food coupons credit card offers and ridiculously high electric bills to my box.
Always love when you showcase these odd vehicles. Thanks Steve!
Yes these odd Vehicles need to be exposed also not ignored. And Steve will do that. 👍
Grumman LLV was built between 1987 and 1994. In Cleveland Ohio most have had numerous engines transmissions and rear axles. Most are on their 2nd frame. Some original frames are so rotted that they’re breaking in half. Our shop is welding patches in the rotted ones due to no more frame availability. We’ve been promised new vehicles for years now. No end in sight. It’s a mess.
Now, it's a Junk-mail Box
Good one
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Bu- dum- ch! 🥁
Ahhh!👋😂👌I see what you did there!
The Grumman LLV came out in about 1988, not long after I started to work for the U.S.P.S. in March of 1986. Our sorting facility/vehicle maintenance garage had a big unveiling ceremony at an employee picnic. I was struck by how much larger it was than the Jeep Dispatcher that it was replacing. Now that the LLV is totally obsolete, I'm thinking about buying one at a government surplus auction and building it for 24 Hours of LeMons racing. Hey, the LLV was built on a Chevy S-10 chassis, so finding a kit to stuff an SBC in one is a piece of cake! Talk about "Express Mail"!
Steve as a retired Rural Carrier (33 years) i enjoyed this clip! Historically the Rural Craft provided their own vehicles to service their routes. USPS paid a vehicle allowance to the owner. I purchased an excessed American General Jeep (DJ 5?) for route use. I then upgraded to a brand new right-hand drive Jeep Cherokee ( interestingly it was the ONLY vehicle I ever made a profit on when I sold it!) Which I used until I was assigned a LLV.
That could be a cool little Hot Rod!! 🙂 👍
Only if it wasn't so rotten with rust.
@@willhorting5317 True
With CREATIVE minds and engineering TALENT, this could be a REAL "DELIVERY"!
You said possibly the fairest, most upbeat things about the Post Office. Thanks
I always am thankful when the Post Office LLV pulls up and delivers the daily mail. Mail carriers are unsung heroes.
@@SteveMagnante UPS takes the ac off of all local delivery trucks. And they crush them after use. Never sold at auction!
I’ve heard the Grumman’s are like the modern day Pinto 🔥
Some say Kramer & Newman used this on Mother’s Day weekend to return bottles to Michigan.
My uncle in law . Rick was a post office work. He drove the mail route in pa. Always worn shorts and he moved down to south Carolina. He was a true awesome worker and awesome uncle. He left us to early but love seeing the trucks driving around.
Good Morning Gents ! 🇺🇸
Great vid Steve,as a retired PO mechanic with 38 years in Motor vehicle service I can say the PO tried out quite a few different vehicles, horses, steam, electric, propane diesel, you name it, As Tony said,the LLV was produced from 1987 to 1994 and since then frames,drivetrains changed out to keep them on the route. In 1987 I drove a brand new LLV around the block in Boston and thought to myself this thing wont make it 5 years,Well I was way off ,haha Regards
We're all pulling for you Steve. Hope to see you soon
Saw two small Mercedes vans in USPS markings at a local PO here in Maryland the other day....
Remember picking up lumber at yard in Detroit that resembled a barn. The yard man told me yes this was where the US Postal horses were kept!!
Oshkosh has the contract to build new mailvans, both gas & electric, to replace the Grumman LLV's for the postal service. Another great video Steve!
Osh kosh has a contract but hasn’t produced an actual working vehicle yet. The on in the pictures has no drive train. They’ve been pulling it around with a yellow strap by a tow vehicle just for photo ops. Haha
Still watching Steve! Get well soon.
Steve, your collection of automotive literature is quite amazing. I had quite a collection that was lost in a house fire back in 2004. I just haven't had the drive to replenish it since. Maybe some day I'll get the desire to start collecting again.
Thank you and Super Shane for providing these videos for us car enthusiasts!
In Minnesota, we had a lot of Jeeps for mail carriers for reasons you can imagine.
Get well soon Steve!
Those "Crestline Publications" hardcover books by editor George Dammann are the very best for a description of every car made by every American car manufacturers -- books on Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Caddie, Ford, Lincoln etc. etc... l have the entire series.
Get better soon, Steve
When it comes to great content, Steve always delivers.
I see what you did there.
Great commentary Steve, in 1975 that may be a 199 cid straight six. 196 went away in the late 60s.
All that beautiful reference material (books and brochures) and you write in it :/
Those items are owned by Steve, not borrowed or shared. I've heard Steve has done "dumpster dives" for paper
@@tomwesley7884 Yea definitely his, its just a shame he writes in them especially those somewhat rare brochures etc. Hope one day it is all preserved.
This was a real good one you should be the PR for the USPS 👏👏👏
Back when I was a kid in the 1960's I grew up in the city for the most part and all the mail was delivered by mailmen on walking routes. They picked up their mail from those big olive green US Mail drop boxes you used to see every couple of blocks. The postal service used those big Metro vans to load those drop boxes back then and of course we had twice a day delivery then also.
today they use the boxes to collect votes...
Those green boxes are called "relay boxes" from what I remember hearing.
I had a 1959 rambler when I was a teen. There was a plate on the core support, very specific engine specs on it. 196.8 cid, 127.2 hp. Lol I also drove an old Metro step van for a business supply company delivering. It had a gas slant 4 banger, 3 speed manual on the floor. I remember that thing wouldn't go a lick over 47 mph, and first gear was super low, could only get about 4 mph, but it'd chirp a good 2nd, without too much grinding. Shhhhh...don't tell the boss!
Excellent Steve! Little bit of eyebrow raising when shipping the fender.
Great video and history! Boy mail tricks haven’t changed that much! Since the 70s.
Sweden used to have exactly the same design vans, but made on different brands of car ,DAF, Saab, etc they were called Tvorven (Showen)
Bravo! Excellent content thank you.
This vehicle is the progress-equivalent of Louis Dejoy.
Louis DeJoy is the reason I stopped selling on eBay.
The mail delivery has become extremely unreliable under his "leadership".
I experienced more than a few delivery problems both local and distant.
@@misigis us as well
@@frankfurther3828
@@frankfurther3828 Real shame he screwed things up😥
There was also the FFV, based on the Ford Explorer that replaced the LLV’s and was made for few years. They are identified by the flip up nose and the cargo window on the left hand side.
Oh yeah, I remember those. Didnt know it was based on the Explorer.
ford ranger. not explorer.
Our Jewel T man drove one like that and the Milkman too!👍
Mrs Halcin was a farmers wife who delivered the mail/smiling
Where I used to work, we had a customer who was a mechanic for the Post Office. At that time, they were using Ford Windstar vans for some of their delivery vehicles. The mechanic said that the Post Office had to pay extra to Ford to have the AC deleted off the vans as all the vans had it as standard equipment. I suppose it saved them money in the long run due to maintenance costs of the AC system.
Management took the belt off of cars with AC.
I used to r&r the transmissions on those and the jeeps they used. Fun times getting it up on a lift .
I have a 1978 right hand drive A.M. General Postal DJ5. It has a 232 with a 727 torque flight and posi reared. I use it to go to. Estate sales and garage sales and the swap meet. LOL!
Hi Steve, great video on this International Mail truck. I always enjoyed the industrial service vehicles you have showcased here on the Crawl this one is no exception. I'm surprised that the unions allowed their workers to ride in non-AC vehicles. But I can't see it being nothing but a cool breeze blowing, at times. The door or window would always be open or about to be opened up to pass a package to the mailbox. Then onto the next and few 100ft away in most cases. The price of stamps will definitely go up once those AC vehicles are in service 💸 🤣 Have a blessed day everyone 🤙🏼 Namaste 🙏🏼
The USPS has to petition for a rate increase in general. Yes, they will cite increased costs, but taxes do not fund the USPS. The sale of stamps and other products/services does.
@Google User GP Hi Mr GP 🤙🏼this is true but in March of 2022 The Senate voted to provide the Postal Service (USPS) with about $50 billion in financial relief over a decade and require its future retirees to enroll in a government health insurance plan. It's a big crap sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite.🤣 Namaste 🤙🏼
@@chrisscearce Yes, they will raise the rates and on paper, it's the sale of those items that will generate the money. In theory, it's the "same pair of pants, different pocket". It's like a government worker saying, "Well, it's not my money, I don't care". Essentially, it is if you're a tax payer. You in theory "fund" your own salary (along with your coworkers).
UPS has the strongest union, and their trucks don't have a/c, either. Constantly getting in and out of air conditioning is very unhealthy.
@Google User GP How true... they also have to bite 😳 into the same crap sandwich 🥪 🤢 🤣 Namaste 🤙🏼
Great to see Steve. Btw Ups probably has a/c postal service needs to move up.
In my area the LLV has already been replaced with Mercedes Metris or RAM vans. Interestingly the Mercedes star in the grille has been replaced with the USPS bald eagle logo. I know the Metris are RHD for curb delivery but the RAM may still be LHD for walking routes, Im not sure.
We have both of those, and oddly enough, a couple Nissan made vans as well. All have 2 seats and a/c. A supervisor told me that the USPS was supposed to switch to Ford Transit vans about 4 yrs ago, but since the federal govt always drags its feet, Ford canceled the contract. I do believe that van is out of production now..
The power party was over with 😮😂😂😂
Mr. B. Here ! Morning Mags ! ☕️☕️🥐
Morning
@@tomwesley7884 ☕️
Them where still made at the metro plant up till 71
Thanks again 👍
Great video,,thumbs up,always something new found there
I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota were to make a Postal vehicle with the Prius drivetrain. Seems like it would be a pretty good option
Postman Pat!
32¢? NO. The first Forever stamp issued in 2007, the Liberty Bell stamp, was 41¢. Current Forever stamps are 63¢. They are going up to 66¢ on July 9, 2023.
My god it’s crisper than a butterfinger!
I've already seen some new Postal Service vans driving around our city in upstate NY...IIRC more than one model actually. I think one might be a RAM and the other the Nissan NV200 but I could be mistaken
Yes we have 3 different new vehicles here in Il. although the vast majority are still LLV's .
A "forever" stamp is only good for up to one ounce of weight.
Rode many a mile in a 59 Rambler Cross Country Station Wagon with a 196 cubic inch six. Folks bought it new.
Did you know that the first number of the vehicle denotes the year it was made.
Hope you're feeling better Steve professor
miss junkyard gold
Regular cars did a review on a Grumin LLV.
Always wanted to find a surplus one. We had Jeeps. Would love to find one and restore it.
No, the LLV vehicles ran from 1987 to 1994. The first digit of a postal vehicle number is the year of the vehicle. Yes, they are going to be replaced. Some routes already use a RH Stellantis ProMaster vehicles and some Dodge Caravans had been purchased already. You Tuber "Monster Rust" has a AM General postal truck on his channel with the tag line, "You've Got Mail".
The LLVs have a fatal design flaw in some cases in that the washer fluid lines run over a heat source and because washer fluid contains flammable ingredients, there have been a few fires. Yes, they have a GM powertrain and the chassis is a RHD GM S Series chassis. In the early years, it was a 2.5L and later ones were a 2.2L and both were four cylinder. The transmission is a THM180 three speed automatic. The replacement "Next Generation Delivery Vehicle" is a mix of products, many made by Oshkosh Defense and the ICE powered ones have a 2.0L Ford Ecoboost.
My late uncle Andrew, aka "Andy the Postman" was a USPS carrier for many years in NYC and loved his job. Everyone knew him, and many people on his route would call him "Postino" which is "Mailman" in Italian, as his route had a lot of Italian people on it. He never joined a gym because he was always fit from all of the walking he did on his route. He was a postman for many years, retiring in 1985. He got the job several years after he was in the Navy during WWII. His wife, my aunt Elena who we called "Libby" was a school safety agent for the NYC Board of Education for about 25 years. There are a fair amount of civil servants in my family on both sides.
No, the Forever stamp came out much later in 2007 and they were 41 cents when they first came out. They are sold at the prevailing first class postage rate and then that stamp is good forever. So, a stamp bought in 2007 at 41 cents can be used today to mail a letter.
The Post Office is structured by certain rules, and uniform service is guaranteed by law. UPS and other carriers technically pay a fee to use postal roads, and they sometimes cannot deliver to certain addresses. I actually prefer USPS over other carriers. They do a good job given what they have to work with. Taxes do not fund the postal service, and revenue is gained from mostly the sale of stamps and other products/services.
The blue and white postal vehicles l remember were smaller than those International ones but I also recall the Jeep ones also.
@@garymckee8857 It goes by contract. The vehicles are bid out on a proposal based off of a written specification done internally by the USPS. Whoever typically meets the specification at the lowest price is generally awarded the contract.
As a postal vehicle repair technician, I can tell you that almost every vehicle in the rust belt is not only on it's 6th or 7th engine... They are likely on their 10th or 11th transmission. But as rust generally does eat the steel parts, the frames are ALL rotted. They have replaced over the last 15 years almost 2/3rds of the frames with aftermarket square tube ones. The new generations of LLV, I believe, aren't going to last very long at all. I think their life span will ultimately be about 10-15 yrs and then they will need to be replaced again. Especially since we now live in a completely disposable society. We will see though. And as for the stop gap vehicles, they are Mercedes Benz metris vehicles. I've heard of some sections of the US using the Nissan NV200 as light duty vehicles. But, we do have promasters and other vehicles ranging all the way up to 11 ton dual rear wheel box trucks. And obviously tractor trailers as well.
@@derektrieglaff9103 That's always the case. No one vehicle does it all in a fleet like that or any fleet that's large and vast.
@@derektrieglaff9103 I'm from Erie PA, definitely in the rust belt. Our primary mail vehicle is the Ford based one. Has been for a long time. Don't know much about them but I think they have a 3.0 liter ford v-6 and can be had in two or four wheel drive. Did you work on these? The LLV's are still here but used as back-ups. Don't understand why no one mentions the fords in the comments.
Speedy Delivery,,, (remember that guy from Mr. Rogers?)
That Engine is NOT a 196 cid, its a 232, the 196 was gone in 1965. its a long shot, but it could of been a 199, that was based on the 232.
And new frames also they rot out in the salt belt
That is an AMC 232 Or 258 Steve.
They stopped using the small Grumman vans here a while back and they have these completely new mail vans now but I'm not sure what they are exactly.
Every video has wrong information. The AMC 196 engine was out of production before 1970. It was replaced by the 199 engine which is what would he in that mail carrier van.
IIRC.....the 196ci was the flathead and the 199 was OHV.
remember the Ford Pinto USPS
Correct, they had them.
If you want a BRAND NEW Ford Pinto postal delivery car, AMT by Round 2 offers a nifty 1/25th scale model kit of one complete with correct USPS decal markings and box Art! And best of all, it'll never blow up!
Employee conduct... LOL Nobody's ever gone postal
Braving the black flies!!!!!!!!!!!! They don't just bite, they suck!
Good luck air conditioning a vehicle here in Houston, TX, that’s driving around with its rather large side window open all day! I’ll be interested to see how they pull it off…….❄
Morning Steve...
Thanks, Steve, and no A/C may make it easier to do the job? One doesn't get nested in the cabin and not want to get out and walk, something like that. I know I sometimes feel that way about breaks at work, you sit down and then, arg, it gets hard to get back to it. But that's just me and I still never use A/C in my car. Maybe a rental when nothing really matters, but not in my personal car when I want as little as possible to go wrong with it.
Air conditioning doesn't do much when the door or window is always open, as it will be when delivering all those mail stops.
@@tomkrisel4493 I'm okay either way with a work truck, each side has its merits. Just in general I think we Americans have demanded too much comfort and luxury from our motorized vehicles, for example, on these gorgeous spring mornings when it is slightly above or below perfect, I'll see cars and SUVs idling for like forever with the windows up and in bewilderment I wonder why, why not just enjoy some time in the cabin with windows up or down to suit. And O well, their call, their pursuit of comfort, just that I'd prefer not to run the engine like that.
Steve, did I hear you say it was both a 1970 & a 1975??
I'm not Steve, but yes he did. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it.
@@blowupbob1 👍
The International name plate looks like it came from the AG division.
Save Ahra!
around here the llv is being replaced by rhd mercedes vans.
Didnt the llv have rhe same engine as the s10 chevy 2.5 iron dukes? Gear to gear timing and for like a million miles!
volante a la derecha ? 🤔
Wheres the gun rack
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"128 billion pieces of mail per year".....of which 127.9 billion are junk mail......
how about an LS engine in it for faster mail delivery 😅
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100 mph ya drop it out of an airplane from 10,000 feet
The Grummans here are being replaced with some sort of Chinese vanthing. The ones I've seen have the Chery logo in the middle of the grille. Disturbing....
Not entirely correct. Oshkosh Defense (along with others in a joint venture) are manufacturing the replacements.
It shouldn't be a surprise since GM sourced it's Buick Envision from China.
@@googleusergp What do you know about the Ford based replacements? They've been the primary vehicle in Erie PA for a long time. LLV's used as back-ups. No one mentions them. Think they have a ford 3.0 L V-6, and they come in two or four wheel drive.
AMC 👍🏻🇦🇺💯⛽️
Can you sell me the grill?
Fourth!!!!
Forever scam stamp/ my mom has to add postage
Not a scam. I have Forever stamps several years old and they always get the mail through in the rare case I have to mail something like that.
@googleusergp I agree but they only hold the price you paid value
@@Jupitermustangmike No. If you have a Forever stamp you can mail a first class letter up to a certain weight with it, whether that's today or 10 years from now. In your mother's case, she's having to add postage due to the fact that what she's mailing weighs more than the limit.
@@googleusergp thank you!! I got to tell my mom
She will tell her friends at the ambulance Corp were they bake
maybe we should go back to horses and we can make the planet greener and boot manufactures can make a killing selling them 😅
Not so fast , they could not be allowed because of the gas they emit like cattle it will rot everything, but punching through our atmosphere and into space is nothing.
196 in 1970? Are you sure that isn't the 199 or the 232?
Posten Norge, or Norwegian postal service in english was founded in 1647 😂
Grumman is now Morgan Olson that still build the LLv
I feel sorry for the horse that in 1792 would have brought all the fast food coupons credit card offers and ridiculously high electric bills to my box.