@@waynejohanson1083 I think the NBA knew that was a big mistake, and is looking to right that wrong with possible expansion in the not too distant future.
Since Seattle has newly renovated arena “BRING NBA BACK TO SEATTLE” aka “The Pacific Northwest”. The Seattle SuperSonics needs to be reborn once again! 💚💛
@@SuperDave30 while it is not NBA-related, if the Oakland A's had to move, I would rather have the team in Portland/Vancouver, WA area, NOT Vegas (despite the presence of the NHL's Golden Knights, and the NFL's Raiders there, although personally, I would have rather seen the Chargers stay in San Diego and the Raiders move back to Los Angeles). Having the A's in the Portland/Vancouver, WA area would have made a great Pacific Northwest (and American League) version of the historic Dodgers-Giants rivalry (which goes back to their days in New York City - Giants at the Polo Grounds in Upper Manhattan across the Harlem River from Yankee Stadium; Dodgers at Ebbet's Field in Brooklyn near the Atlantic Yards where the Nets play today) between them and the Mariners. It would have also made traveling easier and balanced out the differences in distances between each AL and NL team on the "Left Coast".
Richmond, Va is NOT part of the Hampton Roads region. Hampton Roads consists of Hampton, Norfolk, Suffolk, Williamsburg, Newport News, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, etc... Vancouver already had the Grizzlies as an NBA team & it DIDN'T work. Vancouver is a HOCKEY town
True, but it is only like an hour away and would add another 1.2 million or so. As I recall, attendance was average in Vancouver. They simply had the worst record of any team in modern times. Their best season was somewhere around 25 wins and 57 losses, and that was their best season.
An NBA team in Louisville could work in a similar way to Portland and San Antonio. A team that locals get behind due to a great basketball culture, a nice downtown arena, and having themselves be the only professional sports team in town gives them maximum attention.
The Utah Jazz are another good example of a successful and popular NBA franchise as the lone major team in a smaller marker, in a region with a strong basketball culture. Basketball is very popular in the LDS community which is the predominant religion of Utah. University of Utah and Brigham Young University consistently have strong basketball programs.
I see a bad clash with the already existing team if they add another. It would almost feel like you had to pick one over the other. There are many city’s that wouldn’t have that issue and have better support and better means to build a new stadium
Seattle is long overdue for a new NBA team. Not only that, Las Vegas is perfect for a new NBA team. And Louisville has a beautiful arena that can host a new NBA franchise. It will probably be just Seattle and Las Vegas.
The issue for Virginia and pro sports teams that most people make the case that DC teams are Virginia’s teams. About a third of Virginia’s population lives in the DC metro area
But, Norfolk-Virginia Beach are close to two million people and Richmond nearby is around 1.2 million people for around 3 million area. These locations are distant enough from Washington as well.
How can you say Louisville and you say it adamantly now I'm not wishing against Lobel I don't have a dog in the hunt but you yourself said Louisville is a small-market team Indianapolis is a relatively short drive I'd be surprised to see it happen
You are correct in that Washington Sports Teams have always made claims to the Virginia market given the location and population of Northern Virginia. With any Virginia team you have also have to consider the population of some sections of North Carolina, who are much closer to Virginia than some of the major cities in North Carolina (part of Hampton Roads get its water from NC out of lake gaston and the main hospital in Norfolk has control of the hospital in Elizabeth City, NC where there is a coast guard base). If you are going to put a team in Virginia the best bet would Norfolk or Hampton, which means the only sports that would make sense would be basketball and possibly hockey given you can use the Norfolk Scope or the Hampton Coliseum.
You're forgetting for Louisville that there's an instant revival of the Pacers-Colonels rivalry. They were the Lakers-Celtics in the ABA. The Colonels were the only team not in debt when the merger happened and it's really a crime that Kentucky wasn't brought over in the merger
@@chrisuminski6037 To be honest, I would rather see an NBA team here called the Louisville something. This city has its own basketball identity, not really connected with the rest of the state. People in Lexington, Ashland and Owensboro generally ignore U of L basketball. The rest of the state centers around Lexington, in terms of basketball and overall state identity. That's fine; the state has much to be proud of. But it is a different mindset and different place from Louisville. Besides, major league sports are city-rooted. There's not the Georgia Braves, or the Wisconsin Bucks. Yes, the Pacers are called Indiana, but that city's Colts are Indianapolis.
7:05. The rumor I've heard is that if Seattle and Las Vegas are added to the western conference then the Minnesota Timberwolves would relocate to the Eastern Conference. Minnesota would have way more natural rivals in the Eastern Conference like Chicago, Milwaukee, Indiana and Detroit.
Memphis and New Orleans makes more sense to stay in the West. They are closer to the Texas teams vs Atlanta and the Coastal south. Minnesota is way closer to the Great Lakes cities vs….Denver?
2 years ago when the Raptors couldn't have played in Toronto they were considering Louisville Yum arena but it because it wasn't to NBA standards. It missed a few things, I am a Cardinals fan. I thought it would have been great for the Raptors to go there but they chose to go to Tampa, Louisville could pull fans from Cincinnati and southern Ohio as well as the entire state of Kentucky
@@williamdiehl117 if one look at the ABA-NBA Merger, it was a major competition between the Pacers and the Kentucky Colonels for inclusion into the NBA; the only reason owner John Y. Brown, Jr. (who later bought a 50% share of the Buffalo Braves - now the LA Clippers - which he traded for ownership of the Celtics before stepping away from the NBA to become Governor of Kentucky) was force to take the $3 million to fold the Kentucky Colonels was that the Chicago Bulls objected to the NBA to bring the Colonels in (plus the Bulls owned the rights to star player Artis Gilmore). I would love to see either the Kentucky Colonels or the Virginia Squires return as NBA teams (or even both, if let's say the New Orleans Pelicans relocate from NOLA to either Louisville or Virginia's Tidewater Region) along with a revived Seattle Supersonics.
You underestimate Kansas City here. They have a first class, NBA ready arena with an entertainment area directly across the street. They are a college basketball crazy town, and a competitive NBA team would do really well there. Hockey would be a horrible failure there, but the NBA has a chance.
I was getting ready to say that most of us in KC would rather have an an NHL team. This is a college basketball town. I thought the MLS would be a complete failure here, but it really took off once they built the new stadium in Kansas. Honestly, I think either would do fine here.
I think it's pretty much a done deal that Seattle and Las Vegas will get their teams as they have arenas that are done. I do think the Canadian options are interesting as well. I think regardless the Raptors will still have most of the country rooting for them as a 2nd team wouldnt hurt them. I would do Vancouver and try to build those rivalries in the Pacific Northwest with Seattle and Portland.
Too hard for Canada teams to make money when everything has to be paid in Dollars and converted. NBA, NLF and MLB are not expanding to Canada anytime soon, not until there is a universal currency of some kind.
The Kentucky Colonels, like the phoenix, rises from the ashes again. Move the Pelicans from NOLA to Virginia's Tidewater Region and you will have the old Virginia Squires again. The only other city that should have a team again would be Seattle (New Seattle Supersonics).
@@chrisparris1878 They didn't leave New Orleans. They rebranded the Hornets the Pelicans. The original Charlotte Hornets moved to New Orleans because the owner wanted a new arena and Charlotte wasn't willing to have the taxpayers pay for it. A few years later Charlotte got the Bobcats as an expansion team. They then rebranded them the Hornets at the same time they rebranded the Hornets as the Pelicans. They then basically gave all the Hornets history to the Bobcats and basically eradicated it as Bobcats history, while then treating the Pelicans as though it were an expansion team that began play when they moved to New Orleans. Quite dumb how they try to claim one team is this or that.
from my experience KC has a huge basketball fan base. KU and K-State being good has shown a huge popularity. There’s a huge young population into it too
Believe me there is no Toronto Raptor fans in Montreal. The two cities don't like each other and would be a intense rivalry if Montreal had an NBA team.
After Seattle, Montreal would be the next logical city for an NBA team since it has the largest metro area out of all the cities that was proposed, barring the LA Area (Orange County) and Mexico City (which will never happen since soccer is king and a completely different culture alien to Canada and America). Montreal has up to 5 million in it's metro area (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_census_metropolitan_areas_and_agglomerations_in_Canada) and it wouldn't just be Montreal's team, but Quebec's team and maybe even Eastern Canada's team considering the Maritimes. It would be a stupid move not to recognize Canada's second largest market and the Raptors cannot be Canada's team forever!
@@wanderer34 Logically it actually doesn't make more sense, if the NBA was to add a second team in Canada, to put a team in Montreal over Vancouver. I've already had this debate with someone else and there are a variety of factors that make Montreal less appealing then most other potential expansion locations; economics, politics & culture being just a few of the many I could espouse.
@@adellis24 I had a discussion with a Canadian who’s also the owner of the place I stay in the Caribbean and he said that Montreal, in addition to being the second largest market behind Toronto, is the biggest and best party town in North America, right along with Montreal. Yes, French is the official language in Quebec, but in Montreal, you can speak English as well. Also, Montreal is arguably the most cosmopolitan city in Canada, with Arabs, Latinos, Caribbeans, and Italians as well as those French Canadians scattered all throughout Quebec. Lastly, Canada is just too big (38 million and counting), just to have one basketball team. California has up to 4 basketball teams and Cali has about the same number of people as Canada. There are two major markets in Canada, and we all know the beef that Montreal and Toronto has. Speaking of which, where are you from and which part? I can only hope that you’re just not some frustrated Torontonian that’s concerned that another NBA team will take half of the Canadian market!
Oh, I forgot about them. San Diego is a good choice. Pittsburgh is small and already has three teams and the Pirates do not draw well. Plus, I don't see the region as a basketball area. Plus, Cleveland is relatively close. Montreal's culture seems incompatible and it would be extremely overshadowed by their NHL team.
The description says for Louisville that it’s home to the Louisville Cardinals and Kentucky Wildcats, which is false. The Kentucky wildcats are home to Lexington KY 💪
I am from Oregon and we have the blazers. I can easily see Seattle and Vegas. However, Vegas is a tossed because can they really support 4 pro teams? After those i would say St. Louis should be third, its the third largest metro area behind Seattle and Tampa. Distance wise not too many cities close by. Then i have Louisville and KC.
I think if Seattle and Las Vegas get NBA expansion teams, I think you move the Timberwolves to the Eastern Conference. You immediately get a rivalry between the Timberwolves and the Bucks, Bulls, and Pistons being in that region of the country, kind of like exists in baseball and the NFL.
All of those cities aren't really that big. Coming from Atlanta, Cincinnati, Louisville, Nashville, Columbus, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis appear very small. Nice places in many ways, however.
@@willp.8120 Oh I totally get that, I"m saying rather than like an Omaha where the nearest city is Denver? About an 8 hour drive away, Louisville has Nashville, Cincy, Cleveland, Indy all within 3 hours which is more feasible than a lot of other traditional small markets. Still has to be very low on the possibility totem pole however outside of the quality of stadium
Vancouver is on the west coast and Toronto is more near the east coast. Vancouver is close to Seattle tv market. I remember as a kid, I used to get the tv channels from Vancouver on the rabbit ears in northern parts of the state. It would not split the viewers like you think it is. Vancouver vs Toronto in NBA game would draw crowds at either place.
What would you think of (assuming no LV), Seattle and Vancouver, really bolstering up that NW market, then shifting New Orleans or Memphis to the East, likely in the southeast division, and then rekajiggering the divisions otherwise? That could be a huge untapped market WITH previous NBA experience
I would rather Seattle and Vancouver than Seattle and LV. They have a natural rivalry so there's that much more urgency to get good. 2) Portland wouldn't feel so in he middle of nowhere 3) Tor vs Van games would have more buzz (at least initially) than Tor vs LV. "The battle of/for Canada" can be marketed
Could work. However, they do have the Reds, Bengals, And FC Cincinnati that compete for sports dollars. Plus, Indianapolis is close and there is a team in Cleveland, meaning the same state.
@@willp.8120 well being from the southern end of Ohio I think there’s a lot of fans here who don’t really root for one team because their is no team super close in the area every team is at least 200 or more miles away.
@@spence8227 I get what you are saying, but even you must admit the Midwest and northeast are saturated with sports teams, unlike the South, which has passed them in population. The nonsensical reality of only having one MLB team for most of the South, the Atlanta Braves, is insane. Yet, ai often hear northerners talk about North Carolina and Tennessee being Braves country when places like Charlotte and Nashville are each about a four hour drive from Atlanta. These northerners act like Charlotte and Nashville are too close to Atlanta when they aren't really close. Indianapolis is maybe two hours from Cincinnati.
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It will only be Seattle and Vegas. Those are the only markets that NBA wants to be in but what it’ll come down to if the NBA will have control over the buildings they play in. That’s how teams make money these days on the outside revenue. That is why you see a Vegas developer pushing for another arena and also see the clippers building their own arena (controlled by the Lakers and Kings), the 76ers trying to build her on arena (controlled by the Flyers) and even M ark Cuban has stated that once the Mav’s lease art AAC ends he’s going to build his own arena.
Hard to imagine the Mavs leaving the American Airlines Center, but in a way, you can't blame these NBA teams for having total control of their arenas, instead of sharing it with their NHL brothers. LOL
It’s global they are going global that’s all there is to it…there is an agenda that needs to be pushed. Look at our past MVPs hell look who’s in the finals now. How can you guys not see it
I feel like with the St Louis Rams leaving in Kansas City having such a good college basketball program St Louis would be a great city to add along with Seattle and Las Vegas
The top 40 media markets without a team and not within 90 minutes of an existing NBA team are: Seattle 12 St. Louis 23 Pittsburgh 26 San Diego 27 Nashville 29 Hartford 32 Kansas City 34 Cincinnati 36
Anaheim should be part of the Clippers media market. Northern Virginia is part of the Wizards market. If they put a team in southern Virginia it would be expected to get a slice of North Carolina which means cutting into the Hornets fan base. Vancouver fans will probably just end rooting for the new Supersonics.
@@Hamptonlantavegas northerners seem to act like southern cities with teams are so close together, but they'll claim that Columbus, Baltimore, Hartford, Milwaukee, New Jersey need teams when they are surrounded by teams in close proximity, and they aren't even the largest region by population, the South is.
The Clippers were allowed to move to Los Angels with the Lakers already established, so they have no claim to the Anaheim market. They also had option to move there and passed.
@@GregoryFariss they weren't really. The NBA tried to strip Stirling of ownership cause he moved the Clipper without NBA approval. He sued the NBA cause Al Davis set the precedent when he moved to LA. NBA saw how Striling murdered his fanbase/market and relented. He was not just allowed/approved to move from SD to LA He was nearly stripped of the Clippers in 1982. Had he been stripped of the Clippers they would still be here in SD
Suggest you do more research re: Montreal as the Raptors played Celtics in an Pre-Season Game few months ago. Average ticket price of well over $215 for nosebleeds, $400 for middle sections, and up to $6000 for court-side seats, and the game sold out in 15 minutes attracting 22,000 people. It is the second largest city by population in the country and gives another team in the east. The French / English speaking environment really recreates a European feel which players and their families would so enjoy living in.
There likely isn't enough corporate money right now in Quebec to do a deal as Bell already owns the Raps and the other two viable options; the Molson's don't seem to have any interest as they have the Bell Centre full much of the year & Quebecqor is focused on its NHL pursuit and likely doesn't have access to the funds required for such a deal. As it would likely require a brand new arena (without the Molson's involvement) and Quebec's notorious history with any Public/Private construction contracts and a potential $1billion+ cost to build, it just doesn't seem likely. Considering the city only just paid off the Big O I think Quebec & its business community has bigger priorities than attracting an NBA team at the cost of likely over $5billion.
Would they call a Pittsburgh franchise "The Fish?" Vancouver used to have the Grizzlies before they moved to Memphis. Is Nashville in consideration at all or is it too close to Memphis?
Las Vegas is a given, even over Seattle imo and they won't expand with only 2 west coast teams. Louisville, while small would be an excellent market. KY is a basketball state, IN just across the river is a basketball state. here in SW Ohio we even though it's football first, we love hoops too. the fan base is there! an Indiana Pacers vs Kentucky Colonels rivalry writes itself! I'm all for Vegas and the 'ville for expansion! c'mon Mr. Silver let's make this happen
Seattle is already a given since the Climate Pledge Arena is ready to host the SuperSonics again. Vegas is the so-called 'trendy' choice with NHL expansion and both the Oakland teams moving there.
@@dvferyance every Major Leagues want those gambling money the Vegas have... So it's not a secret they want to put a team in Vegas, expansion or relocation...
Like Louisville over Seattle are you fucking kidding 💀 nobody wanna live or play in that ugly shithole town there’s a reason there’s no teams there now
Metropolitan Populations of your top 10 (smallest to largest) Louisville 1,360,000, Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News 1,778,000, Kansas City 2,272,000, Pittsburgh 2,310,000, Las Vegas 2,520,000, Vancouver 2,890,000, Seattle 4,430,000, Montreal 4,505,000, and Mexico City 21,000,000 million people. Vancouver Grizzlies attendance was solid (management sucked)
Why is everyone sleeping on the passionate sports fans in St. Louis? For the love of God its all we have to do out here. Why do you think we always show up?
Anyone who doesn’t take the Vancouver option seriously doesn’t know much about the city and its demographics. There’s a massive market waiting for a team. You’ve got grassroots-level enthusiasm for the sport paired with a wealthy city and deep-pocketed investors
Currency exchange makes moving into Canada next to impossible. Its hard for a Canada team to compete. On top of that a lot of players don't want to go to Canada and establish residency in another country or get a work visa and pay additional taxes.
@@ChillydontCap So we're just going to pretend an entire two decades plus didn't pass since that move and that the fanbase/market is what failed the team, not the ownership group and Michael Heisley, a historically weak Canadian dollar, among other factors. But besides that, the city's demographics have changed dramatically since 2001.
You forgot San Diego. They are breaking ground on a NBA/NHL level arena. The teams that recently left did not do so due to a lack of attendance. It was owner greed, in both cases.
With Donald Sterling it was owner greed. With Dean Spanos, it was the fans unwillingness to vote in favor of getting a new stadium built so the Chargers had no choice but to return to their original home of L.A.
@@sjdrifter72 spanos chose a site no one wanted and asked for 1.2B after pissing off everyone via Mark Fabiani and trying to move to Carson with the Raiders. Dean never wanted to stay in SD. He just waited till someone built him a stadium. Put it this way he spent 850M to move to LA while offering nothing to build next to Petco
The Seattle Super Sonics is a lock to me and then Vegas, which then you can move Memphis or New Orleans to the east where they belong. Don't be surprise if a team like New Orleans might move, as the Jazz was in New Orleans first and it did not work. Depending on if there are any teams moving will determine the new location of the last team.
I think Minny is the more logical team to be moved to the ECF since it's relatively closer to cities in the Central Division/Great Lake. Memphis and New Orleans are still closer to Texas teams so they will be fine IMO.
ST LOUIS!!!! I haven’t heard it a lot but I think it would be a great location. They already have baseball, hockey, and mls. They have fans all across the country already and they have some of the most hardcore fans out there. A market opened up when they lost their football team which they shouldn’t have even had to go through. You can see the success in mls. When you watch an mls game on tv you can just hear and see the difference in city park. It’s right in the center of the us and a better option than Louisville in my opinion as Louisville already has a very successful basketball team even if it’s not nba. If you put an nba team in St. Louis, you would immediately have the means to build a new state of the art stadium as much of the population there is in support of getting a new team. They already had money set aside for a new football stadium too. You would also immediately have the fans all across the country and would have no attendance issues. It is wayyyyyy overlooked
I dont know about a new facility but I think STL would def like to have a team. We support the St. Louis University Billikens and Mizzou and the Illini on the Illinois side
There is a plan for another privately financed arena for Vegas about a mile south of Mandalay Bay that will be NBA specific and have a whole resort surrounding it. I believe the NBA in most cases would want their teams having sole revenue streams not shared with NHL because its deemed more lucrative.
I wouldn't be surprised to also see a couple relocations as well within the next decade or so. I honestly wouldn't be surprised seeing Memphis go back to Vancouver especially when you compare each city's socio-economic future. Vancouver is a rich & beautiful Canadian cesspit while Memphis is one of America's biggest shithole, crime-riddled cities.
I'll be excited when the Atlanta Thrashers return to the NHL. Haven't been to a Hawks game since the last time in 1998. Went to numerous Thrashers games, and Braves, too.
I would only *fully endorse* these 4 areas for an NBA team: *Seattle* (historical purposes; teams in other leagues; *would complete 4/4 in major sports*) {Northwest Division} *St. Louis* (historical purposes; teams in other leagues; would be 3/4 in major sports and would have been 4 if the Rams didn’t move) {Southwest division} *Pittsburgh* (historical purposes; teams in other leagues; *would complete 4/4 in major sports*) {Central Division} *Vegas* (because it’s inevitable; would be 3/4 in major sports) {Pacific division} The following would complete +1 team per geographical area for each division: *Tampa* (up-and-coming economy; successful sports teams; can they be profitable right now? I don’t know how I feel about 3 Floridian teams but *would complete 4/4 in major sports*) {Southeast Division} *Buffalo* (there’s historical value, 2 other successful professional team but Toronto has a basketball team and is close in proximity vice versa for Buffalo Bills games for fans in Toronto. It might only make sense for Hockey; both are cold climates and hockey is extremely popular. Would be 3/4 in major sports). {Atlantic Division} On the fence: San Diego (there’s historical value; an MLB team but is losing traction in the sports world. Just lost the Chargers. Only 1 major professional team left) Kansas City (there’s historical value; teams in other leagues. I don’t know if it is wise to give Missouri 2 teams right off the bat). Cincinnati: (there’s historical value; an NFL team; I don’t know if another Ohioan team is a great idea for business). Columbus: (there’s historical value; the highest populated city in Ohio; teams in lesser leagues; I don’t know if another Ohioan team is a great idea for business). Honorable mentions: Louisville, Kentucky (historical value having won a championship in the ABA as the Kentucky Colonels; obviously a big basketball state but doesn’t have any professional teams). Virginia (historical value, though there was a new piece regarding the relocation of both Wizards and Captials to the state; currently zero professional teams. Has the population to be successful). Baltimore (in the cross-hairs between Washington DC and Virginia looking to assume the DC market in relocation bids; has 2 professional teams. It’s former NBA team became the Washington team.)
I wonder why St. Louis is never in the conversation for possible NBA team. They have a great dedicated fanbase for the Cardinals and Blues and are geographically far enough away from another market (unlike the Virginia and Anaheim proposals). And also, I understand Vancouver is a huge, bustling city but they failed horribly with the Grizzlies. What would change this time with a new expansion? Also, not to get political here but I wonder how long Portland, OR will be a viable city for the Trail Blazers? Will the decline of the city as a whole with crime, constant political unrest, declining population, etc eventually impact the economics of the team? Maybe they'd be a candidate for relocation someday. The Blazers have a long, storied history in that city but so did the Supersonics in Seattle.
For real, I was waiting for it the whole video and St. Louis never showed up. Some of these make no sense, like how many teams does the west coast really need.
@Adam McAllister agreed. They already have the Lakers and Clippers in LA alone (near Anaheim) and the Warriors in San Francisco, and the Kings in Sacramento. They do not need a 5th Team in California or a 3rd one near LA.
@@adammcallister5773 Western cities have a real advantage with the conference setup because there are far fewer large cities in the western half of the USA than the eastern half, and when they try to get one western and one eastern, it is getting to the point where every western metro of a significant size has a team or is up for a team, while a lot of deserving markets in the east get passed over. That said, I do think Seattle, San Diego, St. Louis make good sense, and that Cincinnati, Louisville, Norfolk, Kansas City, Baltimore, Vancouver, Raleigh-Durham, and Jacksonville make sense.
Its metropolitan area is only around 2.4 million and there is hardly anyone living within hundreds of miles. A few small population centers are close such as Kingman, Arizona and St. George, Utah, but it doesn't add much to the population.
It has very small metro population. No people living outside of the metro just dessert too. St. Louis, Baltimore are both markets way bigger the size of Denver that at least St. Louis could support a lot better. Baltimore could because how bad wizards have been.
@@fadercreek sports doesn’t create 200000 new residents in the city borders. Plus city population means literally nothing ALWAYSA use metro. Las Vegas has a metro population just above 2 million
I think St Louis over KC imo, they had a huge renovation on enterprise a few years ago and would be a great market with how much support the Blues and Cardinals get
I think Montreal has a better chance then Vancouver. Montreal would open the whole French market, I think it would quickly become one of Africa's favorite teams as they'd be able to hear content in French. Vancouver is too close to Seattle to justify right now. I would put Montreal as my #4 likely option.
What is more valuable to the NBA; French-speaking Africa (167 million people who make on average less than 10k USD per annum) or China (1.455 BILLON who make on average over 50k USD per annum). END OF DEBATE.
Las Vegas can definitely support 4 teams. Vegas is a lot bigger than people think. Population wise Vegas is broken up into townships. For example the Strip is not figured into the Las Vegas population. It is called Paradise, NV.
Bring back the Seattle Supersonics as one of the teams, they had some of the best jerseys this league has ever seen!
Bring back the 78-79 unis
Still don't know why Seattle lost their team.
@@waynejohanson1083 lacked state funding for new arena at the time
All teams leave because of arenas.
@@waynejohanson1083 I think the NBA knew that was a big mistake, and is looking to right that wrong with possible expansion in the not too distant future.
Since Seattle has newly renovated arena “BRING NBA BACK TO SEATTLE” aka “The Pacific Northwest”. The Seattle SuperSonics needs to be reborn once again! 💚💛
Should’ve never left…!!!!
Pacific Northwest already has a team in Portland
@@nicklove3963 actually was talking about the Seattle SuperSonics not Portland Trailblazers but they both are the Pacific Northwest teams of the NBA.
@@SuperDave30 while it is not NBA-related, if the Oakland A's had to move, I would rather have the team in Portland/Vancouver, WA area, NOT Vegas (despite the presence of the NHL's Golden Knights, and the NFL's Raiders there, although personally, I would have rather seen the Chargers stay in San Diego and the Raiders move back to Los Angeles). Having the A's in the Portland/Vancouver, WA area would have made a great Pacific Northwest (and American League) version of the historic Dodgers-Giants rivalry (which goes back to their days in New York City - Giants at the Polo Grounds in Upper Manhattan across the Harlem River from Yankee Stadium; Dodgers at Ebbet's Field in Brooklyn near the Atlantic Yards where the Nets play today) between them and the Mariners. It would have also made traveling easier and balanced out the differences in distances between each AL and NL team on the "Left Coast".
I would definitely make the trip from Minnesota, to see the Timberwolves play the SuperSonics if they were brought back!
I hope it happens
Richmond, Va is NOT part of the Hampton Roads region. Hampton Roads consists of Hampton, Norfolk, Suffolk, Williamsburg, Newport News, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, etc...
Vancouver already had the Grizzlies as an NBA team & it DIDN'T work. Vancouver is a HOCKEY town
True, but it is only like an hour away and would add another 1.2 million or so.
As I recall, attendance was average in Vancouver. They simply had the worst record of any team in modern times. Their best season was somewhere around 25 wins and 57 losses, and that was their best season.
Virginia may be one state, but it's really like four different states, especially northern virginia. We're probably going to get the Commanders
@@khatimahmad6208 FACTS
You clearly know nothing about Vancouver and why the Grizzlies left.
@@adellis24 Still haven't gotten over the 1982, 1994, & 2011 Stanley Cup Finals yet, have you? Too FUCC'N bad there buddy! 🤣🤣🤣
If NBA is going to expand, Seattle should be the first one but the second expand would be interesting
An NBA team in Louisville could work in a similar way to Portland and San Antonio. A team that locals get behind due to a great basketball culture, a nice downtown arena, and having themselves be the only professional sports team in town gives them maximum attention.
The Utah Jazz are another good example of a successful and popular NBA franchise as the lone major team in a smaller marker, in a region with a strong basketball culture. Basketball is very popular in the LDS community which is the predominant religion of Utah. University of Utah and Brigham Young University consistently have strong basketball programs.
Louisville could be named the “Kentucky Colonels.” The return of one of the ABA teams that was not allowed to join the NBA when they merged.
Kentucky colonels could be like the Jazz of the East
@@navsparks3192 they should have honestly
I see a bad clash with the already existing team if they add another. It would almost feel like you had to pick one over the other. There are many city’s that wouldn’t have that issue and have better support and better means to build a new stadium
Seattle is long overdue for a new NBA team. Not only that, Las Vegas is perfect for a new NBA team. And Louisville has a beautiful arena that can host a new NBA franchise. It will probably be just Seattle and Las Vegas.
The yum center was built to be an nba arena about 12 years ago. It's big enough but will need to be renovated.
If Seattle doesn’t get their team back, I’d lose a little faith in the powers that be
The issue for Virginia and pro sports teams that most people make the case that DC teams are Virginia’s teams. About a third of Virginia’s population lives in the DC metro area
But, Norfolk-Virginia Beach are close to two million people and Richmond nearby is around 1.2 million people for around 3 million area. These locations are distant enough from Washington as well.
How can you say Louisville and you say it adamantly now I'm not wishing against Lobel I don't have a dog in the hunt but you yourself said Louisville is a small-market team Indianapolis is a relatively short drive I'd be surprised to see it happen
Hampton Roads, Las Vegas, Seattle, and Louisville can be the next four teams I think.
You are correct in that Washington Sports Teams have always made claims to the Virginia market given the location and population of Northern Virginia. With any Virginia team you have also have to consider the population of some sections of North Carolina, who are much closer to Virginia than some of the major cities in North Carolina (part of Hampton Roads get its water from NC out of lake gaston and the main hospital in Norfolk has control of the hospital in Elizabeth City, NC where there is a coast guard base). If you are going to put a team in Virginia the best bet would Norfolk or Hampton, which means the only sports that would make sense would be basketball and possibly hockey given you can use the Norfolk Scope or the Hampton Coliseum.
@@victorious2863 Hampton roads take out and put in San Diego instead
Would LOVE to see the Colonels back and playing in the NBA
Yup their colors would be Navy blue red grey and white
What city would they be in?
@@adamripleyqb8 Louisville Kentucky
I dont know know if that nickname would pass within this woketard era (I don't mind it). Just like when Ole Miss removed their colonel logo
@@dreamcage1801 Oooo ty
As a Pacers fan from Indianapolis, I would love for Louisville to get a team and restore the rivalry from the Pacers/Colonels days. Battle of I-65
It’ll be an intense rivalry
You're forgetting for Louisville that there's an instant revival of the Pacers-Colonels rivalry. They were the Lakers-Celtics in the ABA. The Colonels were the only team not in debt when the merger happened and it's really a crime that Kentucky wasn't brought over in the merger
Colonels & Pacers would be a intense rival
John Y. Brown ruined almost everything he owned.
Please give me a team called "the Colonels" at the KFC Yum Center lol
@@chrisuminski6037 yess plz
@@chrisuminski6037 To be honest, I would rather see an NBA team here called the Louisville something. This city has its own basketball identity, not really connected with the rest of the state. People in Lexington, Ashland and Owensboro generally ignore U of L basketball. The rest of the state centers around Lexington, in terms of basketball and overall state identity. That's fine; the state has much to be proud of. But it is a different mindset and different place from Louisville. Besides, major league sports are city-rooted. There's not the Georgia Braves, or the Wisconsin Bucks. Yes, the Pacers are called Indiana, but that city's Colts are Indianapolis.
7:05. The rumor I've heard is that if Seattle and Las Vegas are added to the western conference then the Minnesota Timberwolves would relocate to the Eastern Conference.
Minnesota would have way more natural rivals in the Eastern Conference like Chicago, Milwaukee, Indiana and Detroit.
Memphis can also move to the Eastern conference.
Memphis and New Orleans makes more sense to stay in the West. They are closer to the Texas teams vs Atlanta and the Coastal south. Minnesota is way closer to the Great Lakes cities vs….Denver?
yup between them and new orleans
Minnesota should be in the East with Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit
@paul Only 1 team will need to move to the East from the West. There will be an imbalance between the two conferences if two teams move.
2 years ago when the Raptors couldn't have played in Toronto they were considering Louisville Yum arena but it because it wasn't to NBA standards. It missed a few things, I am a Cardinals fan. I thought it would have been great for the Raptors to go there but they chose to go to Tampa, Louisville could pull fans from Cincinnati and southern Ohio as well as the entire state of Kentucky
They would also draw from the southern Indiana border tows/cities. Which is one reason that the Pacers would likely fight it tooth and nail.
Tampa was happy to have the Raptors but people chose not to go because covid and that they absolutely sucked that year.
@@williamdiehl117 if one look at the ABA-NBA Merger, it was a major competition between the Pacers and the Kentucky Colonels for inclusion into the NBA; the only reason owner John Y. Brown, Jr. (who later bought a 50% share of the Buffalo Braves - now the LA Clippers - which he traded for ownership of the Celtics before stepping away from the NBA to become Governor of Kentucky) was force to take the $3 million to fold the Kentucky Colonels was that the Chicago Bulls objected to the NBA to bring the Colonels in (plus the Bulls owned the rights to star player Artis Gilmore). I would love to see either the Kentucky Colonels or the Virginia Squires return as NBA teams (or even both, if let's say the New Orleans Pelicans relocate from NOLA to either Louisville or Virginia's Tidewater Region) along with a revived Seattle Supersonics.
Yeah there’s not many nba teams to close to there and basketball can be a bigger draw here than in a lot of states with the wildcats and the cardinals
@@rwboa22 I grew up across the Ohio River from Louisville and I remember the Colonels well. I just don't know if that area would support an NBA team.
You underestimate Kansas City here. They have a first class, NBA ready arena with an entertainment area directly across the street. They are a college basketball crazy town, and a competitive NBA team would do really well there. Hockey would be a horrible failure there, but the NBA has a chance.
The Scouts were, at BEST, the second-biggest failure of the expansion era.
I was getting ready to say that most of us in KC would rather have an an NHL team. This is a college basketball town. I thought the MLS would be a complete failure here, but it really took off once they built the new stadium in Kansas.
Honestly, I think either would do fine here.
Kansas City lost both NHL and NBA teams, but that was a generation or two ago.
@@toddcunningham3213 where i live nhl isn’t a big deal compared to basketball
@@fishinthewater like no one cares about the NHL
I think it's pretty much a done deal that Seattle and Las Vegas will get their teams as they have arenas that are done. I do think the Canadian options are interesting as well. I think regardless the Raptors will still have most of the country rooting for them as a 2nd team wouldnt hurt them. I would do Vancouver and try to build those rivalries in the Pacific Northwest with Seattle and Portland.
Vancouver franchise was a joke.....no way they coming back.....guys like Stevie Francis want no part of BORING Vancouver
@@daproyaknow7056 They had " Big Country".
Too hard for Canada teams to make money when everything has to be paid in Dollars and converted. NBA, NLF and MLB are not expanding to Canada anytime soon, not until there is a universal currency of some kind.
@Scott Tilden 100% NFL can come to Toronto...unlimited NFL fans and also unlimited money in Toronto
Since you're talking about Canada having a new franchise,why not put a franchise in Montreal? Just a thought.
Yes! Bring the NBA to the Ville!!!
Hell yeah!!
Colonels
Much better choice than Vegas.
Kentucky Colonels
The Kentucky Colonels, like the phoenix, rises from the ashes again. Move the Pelicans from NOLA to Virginia's Tidewater Region and you will have the old Virginia Squires again. The only other city that should have a team again would be Seattle (New Seattle Supersonics).
Back in the 1990’s there was a move for the NHL to expand to Norfolk-Hampton Roads area. They even had a team name and logo, Hampton Roads Rhinos
Yeah, they were in the ring for a team that went to the cities of Nashville, Atlanta, St. Paul, and Columbus.
We almost got the hornets when they left new orleans too
@@chrisparris1878 They didn't leave New Orleans. They rebranded the Hornets the Pelicans.
The original Charlotte Hornets moved to New Orleans because the owner wanted a new arena and Charlotte wasn't willing to have the taxpayers pay for it.
A few years later Charlotte got the Bobcats as an expansion team. They then rebranded them the Hornets at the same time they rebranded the Hornets as the Pelicans. They then basically gave all the Hornets history to the Bobcats and basically eradicated it as Bobcats history, while then treating the Pelicans as though it were an expansion team that began play when they moved to New Orleans. Quite dumb how they try to claim one team is this or that.
@willp.8120 i meant when they left Charlotte for new orleans
Seattle needs a team again
from my experience KC has a huge basketball fan base. KU and K-State being good has shown a huge popularity. There’s a huge young population into it too
I'm old enough to remember the Kansas City Kings,Kansas City is a great sports town
State of Kentucky >>
The suburbs aka Johnson County doesn't want an NBA culture in Kansas City. We should've had an NBA and NHL team when Sprint Center first opened.
@@xxjuliusgamingxx6048 This is Superbowl city calm down Kentucky.
T Mobile Center is nice & nba ready, no doubt
Believe me there is no Toronto Raptor fans in Montreal. The two cities don't like each other and would be a intense rivalry if Montreal had an NBA team.
Nah. Not “Believe me there is no Toronto Raptor fans in Montreal.” /
After Seattle, Montreal would be the next logical city for an NBA team since it has the largest metro area out of all the cities that was proposed, barring the LA Area (Orange County) and Mexico City (which will never happen since soccer is king and a completely different culture alien to Canada and America).
Montreal has up to 5 million in it's metro area (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_census_metropolitan_areas_and_agglomerations_in_Canada) and it wouldn't just be Montreal's team, but Quebec's team and maybe even Eastern Canada's team considering the Maritimes. It would be a stupid move not to recognize Canada's second largest market and the Raptors cannot be Canada's team forever!
@@wanderer34 Logically it actually doesn't make more sense, if the NBA was to add a second team in Canada, to put a team in Montreal over Vancouver. I've already had this debate with someone else and there are a variety of factors that make Montreal less appealing then most other potential expansion locations; economics, politics & culture being just a few of the many I could espouse.
@@adellis24 I had a discussion with a Canadian who’s also the owner of the place I stay in the Caribbean and he said that Montreal, in addition to being the second largest market behind Toronto, is the biggest and best party town in North America, right along with Montreal.
Yes, French is the official language in Quebec, but in Montreal, you can speak English as well. Also, Montreal is arguably the most cosmopolitan city in Canada, with Arabs, Latinos, Caribbeans, and Italians as well as those French Canadians scattered all throughout Quebec.
Lastly, Canada is just too big (38 million and counting), just to have one basketball team. California has up to 4 basketball teams and Cali has about the same number of people as Canada.
There are two major markets in Canada, and we all know the beef that Montreal and Toronto has. Speaking of which, where are you from and which part? I can only hope that you’re just not some frustrated Torontonian that’s concerned that another NBA team will take half of the Canadian market!
You’re mistaking it for the Habs vs Leafs rivalry. There are a lot of Raptors fans in Montréal
Would Cincinnati support a team? I could see some people making the trek from Columbus, Lexington, KY, maybe parts of Tennessee to watch a game.
How about bring the NBA to San Diego, Pittsburgh and Montreal?
Oh, I forgot about them. San Diego is a good choice.
Pittsburgh is small and already has three teams and the Pirates do not draw well. Plus, I don't see the region as a basketball area. Plus, Cleveland is relatively close.
Montreal's culture seems incompatible and it would be extremely overshadowed by their NHL team.
@@willp.8120 San Diego is getting their arena renovated which is a plus and their team name would be the sails
San Diego and Pittsburgh yeah but Montreal idk about that one
@@willp.8120 San Diego is getting their stadium remodeled too in 24-25
The description says for Louisville that it’s home to the Louisville Cardinals and Kentucky Wildcats, which is false. The Kentucky wildcats are home to Lexington KY 💪
I am from Oregon and we have the blazers. I can easily see Seattle and Vegas. However, Vegas is a tossed because can they really support 4 pro teams? After those i would say St. Louis should be third, its the third largest metro area behind Seattle and Tampa. Distance wise not too many cities close by. Then i have Louisville and KC.
Seattle SuperSonics !!!!
The team that should never have been moved from the beginning.
VANCOUVER needs another shot after Seattle and Vegas.
I'm from St. Louis and we are dying for an NBA team. We got an MLS team and we are slowly trying to attracted more franchises.
I think if Seattle and Las Vegas get NBA expansion teams, I think you move the Timberwolves to the Eastern Conference. You immediately get a rivalry between the Timberwolves and the Bucks, Bulls, and Pistons being in that region of the country, kind of like exists in baseball and the NFL.
Louisville may itself be a small market but it's in the middle of a lot of small markets ranging throughout KY, OH, PA
All of those cities aren't really that big.
Coming from Atlanta, Cincinnati, Louisville, Nashville, Columbus, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis appear very small. Nice places in many ways, however.
@@willp.8120 Oh I totally get that, I"m saying rather than like an Omaha where the nearest city is Denver? About an 8 hour drive away, Louisville has Nashville, Cincy, Cleveland, Indy all within 3 hours which is more feasible than a lot of other traditional small markets. Still has to be very low on the possibility totem pole however outside of the quality of stadium
Vegas may not happen with A’s moving. Can they even support 3 teams let alone 4
Vancouver is on the west coast and Toronto is more near the east coast. Vancouver is close to Seattle tv market. I remember as a kid, I used to get the tv channels from Vancouver on the rabbit ears in northern parts of the state. It would not split the viewers like you think it is. Vancouver vs Toronto in NBA game would draw crowds at either place.
OVG announced last year they are building an arena in Las Vegas.
Did the construction began yet?
They already have an arena in Vegas
@@nicholovestadiums6443 right
What would you think of (assuming no LV), Seattle and Vancouver, really bolstering up that NW market, then shifting New Orleans or Memphis to the East, likely in the southeast division, and then rekajiggering the divisions otherwise? That could be a huge untapped market WITH previous NBA experience
I agree with Seattle, but Vancouver was a fail, so I would rather have Louisville or Hampton Roads in the East
I would rather Seattle and Vancouver than Seattle and LV. They have a natural rivalry so there's that much more urgency to get good. 2) Portland wouldn't feel so in he middle of nowhere 3) Tor vs Van games would have more buzz (at least initially) than Tor vs LV. "The battle of/for Canada" can be marketed
How about Cincinnati, if they can ever build a new arena ....
Could work. However, they do have the Reds, Bengals, And FC Cincinnati that compete for sports dollars. Plus, Indianapolis is close and there is a team in Cleveland, meaning the same state.
@@willp.8120 well being from the southern end of Ohio I think there’s a lot of fans here who don’t really root for one team because their is no team super close in the area every team is at least 200 or more miles away.
@@spence8227 I get what you are saying, but even you must admit the Midwest and northeast are saturated with sports teams, unlike the South, which has passed them in population.
The nonsensical reality of only having one MLB team for most of the South, the Atlanta Braves, is insane. Yet, ai often hear northerners talk about North Carolina and Tennessee being Braves country when places like Charlotte and Nashville are each about a four hour drive from Atlanta. These northerners act like Charlotte and Nashville are too close to Atlanta when they aren't really close. Indianapolis is maybe two hours from Cincinnati.
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It will only be Seattle and Vegas. Those are the only markets that NBA wants to be in but what it’ll come down to if the NBA will have control over the buildings they play in. That’s how teams make money these days on the outside revenue. That is why you see a Vegas developer pushing for another arena and also see the clippers building their own arena (controlled by the Lakers and Kings), the 76ers trying to build her on arena (controlled by the Flyers) and even M ark Cuban has stated that once the Mav’s lease art AAC ends he’s going to build his own arena.
Hard to imagine the Mavs leaving the American Airlines Center, but in a way, you can't blame these NBA teams for having total control of their arenas, instead of sharing it with their NHL brothers. LOL
It’s global they are going global that’s all there is to it…there is an agenda that needs to be pushed. Look at our past MVPs hell look who’s in the finals now. How can you guys not see it
Nah. Not Those are the only markets that NBA wants to be in. Not “Those are the only markets that NBA wants to be in.” /
Nah. Not controlled by the Lakers and Kings. Not “controlled by the Lakers and Kings.” /
@@86byrdman what’s wrong with sharing with the NHL
Didn’t the NBA try Vancouver back in the mid-1990s? Where’s that team now?
I feel like with the St Louis Rams leaving in Kansas City having such a good college basketball program St Louis would be a great city to add along with Seattle and Las Vegas
Rivalries in STL would be chicago, memphis, louisville, Indy, new orleans, etc.
The St. Louis Hawks of the '50s and '60s were a strong NBA franchise.
The top 40 media markets without a team and not within 90 minutes of an existing NBA team are:
Seattle 12
St. Louis 23
Pittsburgh 26
San Diego 27
Nashville 29
Hartford 32
Kansas City 34
Cincinnati 36
Are you to young to remember Vancouver Grizzlies ??? They had an nba team once.
Louisville is an underrated sports city I can see them getting an nba team.
Maybe after the tv deal is done. NBA is returning to NBC after next season.
Including St. Louis too as a east team
Anaheim should be part of the Clippers media market. Northern Virginia is part of the Wizards market. If they put a team in southern Virginia it would be expected to get a slice of North Carolina which means cutting into the Hornets fan base. Vancouver fans will probably just end rooting for the new Supersonics.
Dude Charlotte is six hours away ......most ppl here aren't Wizards fans or Hornets
@@Hamptonlantavegas northerners seem to act like southern cities with teams are so close together, but they'll claim that Columbus, Baltimore, Hartford, Milwaukee, New Jersey need teams when they are surrounded by teams in close proximity, and they aren't even the largest region by population, the South is.
IF they want to go to SoCal then got SD!! sterling is a pos! SD was screwed by him
The Clippers were allowed to move to Los Angels with the Lakers already established, so they have no claim to the Anaheim market. They also had option to move there and passed.
@@GregoryFariss they weren't really. The NBA tried to strip Stirling of ownership cause he moved the Clipper without NBA approval. He sued the NBA cause Al Davis set the precedent when he moved to LA. NBA saw how Striling murdered his fanbase/market and relented. He was not just allowed/approved to move from SD to LA
He was nearly stripped of the Clippers in 1982. Had he been stripped of the Clippers they would still be here in SD
0:45 artwork with a Buffalo Braves jersey had my hopes up, but no mention of them in the video.
Suggest you do more research re: Montreal as the Raptors played Celtics in an Pre-Season Game few months ago. Average ticket price of well over $215 for nosebleeds, $400 for middle sections, and up to $6000 for court-side seats, and the game sold out in 15 minutes attracting 22,000 people. It is the second largest city by population in the country and gives another team in the east. The French / English speaking environment really recreates a European feel which players and their families would so enjoy living in.
agree montreal has a huge basketball Audience i feel like it would be interesting for canada to get 2nd nba team
MTL always supported the Expos the money just didn’t work … during the recession in the 90s
There likely isn't enough corporate money right now in Quebec to do a deal as Bell already owns the Raps and the other two viable options; the Molson's don't seem to have any interest as they have the Bell Centre full much of the year & Quebecqor is focused on its NHL pursuit and likely doesn't have access to the funds required for such a deal. As it would likely require a brand new arena (without the Molson's involvement) and Quebec's notorious history with any Public/Private construction contracts and a potential $1billion+ cost to build, it just doesn't seem likely. Considering the city only just paid off the Big O I think Quebec & its business community has bigger priorities than attracting an NBA team at the cost of likely over $5billion.
Good luck.
Vancouver does not have a bigger population than Montréal ?
BRING THE NBA TO ST. LOUIS!!!
Would they call a Pittsburgh franchise "The Fish?"
Vancouver used to have the Grizzlies before they moved to Memphis.
Is Nashville in consideration at all or is it too close to Memphis?
Las Vegas is a given, even over Seattle imo and they won't expand with only 2 west coast teams. Louisville, while small would be an excellent market. KY is a basketball state, IN just across the river is a basketball state. here in SW Ohio we even though it's football first, we love hoops too. the fan base is there! an Indiana Pacers vs Kentucky Colonels rivalry writes itself! I'm all for Vegas and the 'ville for expansion! c'mon Mr. Silver let's make this happen
Louisville and Seattle for expansion and relocate the New Orleans pelicans to Vegas fixes everything
I would much rather see KC get a team over Vegas. They already have the NHL but this guy seems to have a lot of love for Vegas.
Seattle is already a given since the Climate Pledge Arena is ready to host the SuperSonics again. Vegas is the so-called 'trendy' choice with NHL expansion and both the Oakland teams moving there.
@@dvferyance every Major Leagues want those gambling money the Vegas have... So it's not a secret they want to put a team in Vegas, expansion or relocation...
Like Louisville over Seattle are you fucking kidding 💀 nobody wanna live or play in that ugly shithole town there’s a reason there’s no teams there now
Metropolitan Populations of your top 10 (smallest to largest) Louisville 1,360,000, Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News 1,778,000, Kansas City 2,272,000, Pittsburgh 2,310,000, Las Vegas 2,520,000, Vancouver 2,890,000, Seattle 4,430,000, Montreal 4,505,000, and Mexico City 21,000,000 million people. Vancouver Grizzlies attendance was solid (management sucked)
Las Vegas, Seattle & St Louis should be the City's that get an expansion!
Other City's
Kansas City & Montreal also look appealing.
What about baltimore What's opinion on baltimore getting expansion team from the NBA
Kansas City has an Arena already built in the downtown area. They should welcome The NBA.
Just north in St. Louis is a much better option
@@SuperCarFan-we2ug St. Louis is EAST of Kansas City.
@@willp.8120 mb that’s what I meant, I was thinking at Louis to kc
Why is everyone sleeping on the passionate sports fans in St. Louis? For the love of God its all we have to do out here. Why do you think we always show up?
It would almost 100% be Minnesota that moves to the east, their current average travel distance is far and away the worst in the Western Conference
but what about Memphis and New Orleans. They kinda on the east side also.
Seattle, KC, Vegas, Louisville
Anyone who doesn’t take the Vancouver option seriously doesn’t know much about the city and its demographics. There’s a massive market waiting for a team. You’ve got grassroots-level enthusiasm for the sport paired with a wealthy city and deep-pocketed investors
Currency exchange makes moving into Canada next to impossible. Its hard for a Canada team to compete. On top of that a lot of players don't want to go to Canada and establish residency in another country or get a work visa and pay additional taxes.
So we're just gonna pretend the Grizzlies weren't in Vancouver and moved?
@@ChillydontCap So we're just going to pretend an entire two decades plus didn't pass since that move and that the fanbase/market is what failed the team, not the ownership group and Michael Heisley, a historically weak Canadian dollar, among other factors.
But besides that, the city's demographics have changed dramatically since 2001.
I’m not even an NBA fan but I must agree that the SuperSonics need to come back
You forgot San Diego. They are breaking ground on a NBA/NHL level arena. The teams that recently left did not do so due to a lack of attendance. It was owner greed, in both cases.
With Donald Sterling it was owner greed. With Dean Spanos, it was the fans unwillingness to vote in favor of getting a new stadium built so the Chargers had no choice but to return to their original home of L.A.
San Diego would be lit for a nba team
When will they break ground?
@@dreamcage1801 2024-25
@@sjdrifter72 spanos chose a site no one wanted and asked for 1.2B after pissing off everyone via Mark Fabiani and trying to move to Carson with the Raiders. Dean never wanted to stay in SD. He just waited till someone built him a stadium. Put it this way he spent 850M to move to LA while offering nothing to build next to Petco
The Seattle Super Sonics is a lock to me and then Vegas, which then you can move Memphis or New Orleans to the east where they belong. Don't be surprise if a team like New Orleans might move, as the Jazz was in New Orleans first and it did not work. Depending on if there are any teams moving will determine the new location of the last team.
I think Minny is the more logical team to be moved to the ECF since it's relatively closer to cities in the Central Division/Great Lake. Memphis and New Orleans are still closer to Texas teams so they will be fine IMO.
new orleans is locked in, they're building a new arena
ST LOUIS!!!! I haven’t heard it a lot but I think it would be a great location. They already have baseball, hockey, and mls. They have fans all across the country already and they have some of the most hardcore fans out there. A market opened up when they lost their football team which they shouldn’t have even had to go through. You can see the success in mls. When you watch an mls game on tv you can just hear and see the difference in city park. It’s right in the center of the us and a better option than Louisville in my opinion as Louisville already has a very successful basketball team even if it’s not nba. If you put an nba team in St. Louis, you would immediately have the means to build a new state of the art stadium as much of the population there is in support of getting a new team. They already had money set aside for a new football stadium too. You would also immediately have the fans all across the country and would have no attendance issues. It is wayyyyyy overlooked
It will be KC if anything. No one likes that bummy crime ridden city.
I dont know about a new facility but I think STL would def like to have a team. We support the St. Louis University Billikens and Mizzou and the Illini on the Illinois side
San Diego?
Yup since the Chargers left town. I believe a NBA team will be electric in San Diego. Their team name would be the Sails or Admirals.
What about Nashville?
It’s a booming city and I believe it does have the ability to host 3 professional sports teams.
I think they're more likely to get an MLB team
Question 🙋
Anyone know how the playoffs would work or would they just simply do East & West Conferences and top 8 teams make it??
Seattle deserves a team
We deserve the Sonics back
@@tigersmurf By that logic then so does Vancouver...
What about Nashville? It has an arena with their hockey team.
The choice I choose is Seattle and Las Vegas cuz on Twitter that they will be 32 teams moved the Grizzlies to the Eastern Conference
One has to be in the east. So its seattle and a team in the east
@@darealpapajon think they will go with Seattle and Louisville.
Naw Minnesota move to the east
@@darealpapajon Why? Just move a current west team to the east. Namely one of Memphis, Chicago, Minnesota, or New Orleans.
A second team in Philly! 76ers can move to Chinatown or Camden while new team plays in the Wells Fargo Center
The two slam dunks are Seattle (Supersonics) and Louisville (Kentucky Coionels)
Definitely Louisville! They should get at least one professional team! Yum center would be a great fit!!
Louisville would be a bigger mistake than Memphis or OKC
Anahem? When LA already has 2 NBA teams? That makes no sense at all.
Seattle and Vegas are the front runners. End of story.
Fuck Vegas.
Plus, Louisville would draw fans from Cincinnati, which is only 90 miles away.
NBA TO LOUISVILLE PLEASE!!!!!
St. Louis or Nashville would make more sense before Louisville or Virginia.
It's gotta be Seattle. There are no other candidates. Louisville, Vegas, Vancouver, sure, maybe in the future, but Seattle is first.
Nah. Not “There are no other candidates.” /
There is a plan for another privately financed arena for Vegas about a mile south of Mandalay Bay that will be NBA specific and have a whole resort surrounding it.
I believe the NBA in most cases would want their teams having sole revenue streams not shared with NHL because its deemed more lucrative.
Most likely the expansion will be a 2 team expansion based on the NBA’s track record when expanding
Yep I agree. Probably would be too expensive to do more than 2 at the same time
@@egg6838 they have the money
I wouldn't be surprised to also see a couple relocations as well within the next decade or so. I honestly wouldn't be surprised seeing Memphis go back to Vancouver especially when you compare each city's socio-economic future. Vancouver is a rich & beautiful Canadian cesspit while Memphis is one of America's biggest shithole, crime-riddled cities.
He never said that how many cities he wants to expand to tho
Pittsburgh would ALSO already have an arena to play in. The 'Paints Arena' where the Penguins NHL team plays. It's also a NEWER Arena.
The day its announced that the sonics are coming back, I'll be in tears of joy.
Yup and nba and nbc reuniting
I'll be excited when the Atlanta Thrashers return to the NHL. Haven't been to a Hawks game since the last time in 1998. Went to numerous Thrashers games, and Braves, too.
@@willp.8120 what about the falcons
@@dreamcage1801 Very expensive. Last time I went to a Falcons game was around 2008.
@@willp.8120 mother of pearl 😧
I would only *fully endorse* these 4 areas for an NBA team:
*Seattle* (historical purposes; teams in other leagues; *would complete 4/4 in major sports*) {Northwest Division}
*St. Louis* (historical purposes; teams in other leagues; would be 3/4 in major sports and would have been 4 if the Rams didn’t move) {Southwest division}
*Pittsburgh* (historical purposes; teams in other leagues; *would complete 4/4 in major sports*) {Central Division}
*Vegas* (because it’s inevitable; would be 3/4 in major sports)
{Pacific division}
The following would complete +1 team per geographical area for each division:
*Tampa* (up-and-coming economy; successful sports teams; can they be profitable right now? I don’t know how I feel about 3 Floridian teams but *would complete 4/4 in major sports*) {Southeast Division}
*Buffalo* (there’s historical value, 2 other successful professional team but Toronto has a basketball team and is close in proximity vice versa for Buffalo Bills games for fans in Toronto. It might only make sense for Hockey; both are cold climates and hockey is extremely popular. Would be 3/4 in major sports). {Atlantic Division}
On the fence:
San Diego (there’s historical value; an MLB team but is losing traction in the sports world. Just lost the Chargers. Only 1 major professional team left)
Kansas City (there’s historical value; teams in other leagues. I don’t know if it is wise to give Missouri 2 teams right off the bat).
Cincinnati: (there’s historical value; an NFL team; I don’t know if another Ohioan team is a great idea for business).
Columbus: (there’s historical value; the highest populated city in Ohio; teams in lesser leagues; I don’t know if another Ohioan team is a great idea for business).
Honorable mentions:
Louisville, Kentucky (historical value having won a championship in the ABA as the Kentucky Colonels; obviously a big basketball state but doesn’t have any professional teams).
Virginia (historical value, though there was a new piece regarding the relocation of both Wizards and Captials to the state; currently zero professional teams. Has the population to be successful).
Baltimore (in the cross-hairs between Washington DC and Virginia looking to assume the DC market in relocation bids; has 2 professional teams. It’s former NBA team became the Washington team.)
St. Louis should be in the Eastern Conference
@@dreamcage1801 lol you just want Tatum to come home 🥹🥲
@@jackspalden5143no I believe STL deserves another chance of having a NBA team again
I wonder why St. Louis is never in the conversation for possible NBA team. They have a great dedicated fanbase for the Cardinals and Blues and are geographically far enough away from another market (unlike the Virginia and Anaheim proposals). And also, I understand Vancouver is a huge, bustling city but they failed horribly with the Grizzlies. What would change this time with a new expansion?
Also, not to get political here but I wonder how long Portland, OR will be a viable city for the Trail Blazers? Will the decline of the city as a whole with crime, constant political unrest, declining population, etc eventually impact the economics of the team? Maybe they'd be a candidate for relocation someday. The Blazers have a long, storied history in that city but so did the Supersonics in Seattle.
Wouldn't be surprised if they could once there agreement/contract is up
For real, I was waiting for it the whole video and St. Louis never showed up. Some of these make no sense, like how many teams does the west coast really need.
@Adam McAllister agreed. They already have the Lakers and Clippers in LA alone (near Anaheim) and the Warriors in San Francisco, and the Kings in Sacramento. They do not need a 5th Team in California or a 3rd one near LA.
@@adammcallister5773 Western cities have a real advantage with the conference setup because there are far fewer large cities in the western half of the USA than the eastern half, and when they try to get one western and one eastern, it is getting to the point where every western metro of a significant size has a team or is up for a team, while a lot of deserving markets in the east get passed over.
That said, I do think Seattle, San Diego, St. Louis make good sense, and that Cincinnati, Louisville, Norfolk, Kansas City, Baltimore, Vancouver, Raleigh-Durham, and Jacksonville make sense.
St. Louis is a decaying city
Why not Nashville??? (Bridgestone Arena) instant rivals with the Grizzlies.
I love how you say Las Vegas is a small market, but the city's population is over 800,000 people.
Its metropolitan area is only around 2.4 million and there is hardly anyone living within hundreds of miles. A few small population centers are close such as Kingman, Arizona and St. George, Utah, but it doesn't add much to the population.
It has very small metro population. No people living outside of the metro just dessert too. St. Louis, Baltimore are both markets way bigger the size of Denver that at least St. Louis could support a lot better. Baltimore could because how bad wizards have been.
with sports it's gonna be a million sooner than later creating more jobs
@@fadercreek sports doesn’t create 200000 new residents in the city borders. Plus city population means literally nothing ALWAYSA use metro. Las Vegas has a metro population just above 2 million
@@Reflexx1so more sports don't create more jobs?
The most logical thing to do would be to bring a team to Seattle and Las Vegas and send Memphis and New Orleans to the Eastern Conference
I think St Louis over KC imo, they had a huge renovation on enterprise a few years ago and would be a great market with how much support the Blues and Cardinals get
How about expanding to Honolulu Hawaii or San Juan Puerto Rico?
Anaheim makes no sense They’re too close to LA
Plus, LA has two teams, and Anaheim is basically a suburb of LA.
I was hoping for Albuquerque, but it's not quite big enuff yet
St Louis would love the NBA since the NFL screwed us twice.'
No Jacksonville,Fl ?
You need the MAGIC
I think Montreal has a better chance then Vancouver. Montreal would open the whole French market, I think it would quickly become one of Africa's favorite teams as they'd be able to hear content in French. Vancouver is too close to Seattle to justify right now. I would put Montreal as my #4 likely option.
San Diego the #5 option in my opinion
What is more valuable to the NBA; French-speaking Africa (167 million people who make on average less than 10k USD per annum) or China (1.455 BILLON who make on average over 50k USD per annum). END OF DEBATE.
Vancouver already had a team with seattle… it creates a rivalry like with that dumbass logic La/NY should only have one team
@@Whatdoingdog44 Seattle & Vancouver aren’t only over a 2 hour drive apart but they are in separate countries, so no they didn’t share a team.
@@adellis24 bro I didn’t mean they shared a team Vancouver had the grizzlies while seattle had the sonics…
Las Vegas can definitely support 4 teams. Vegas is a lot bigger than people think. Population wise Vegas is broken up into townships. For example the Strip is not figured into the Las Vegas population. It is called Paradise, NV.
So they are copying the NHL expansion? How creative!
finally
there's 30 squads rn, let's focus on two: Las Vegas &....______
It’s going overseas NBA is going global period look at our past MVPs they are pushing the global NBA
facts transportation is improving fast
I’d be so happy if they brought back the Sonics!
St. Louis is the biggest sports market in the Midwest. Expanding here would be a no brainer
Chicago
Detroit
Minneapolis-St. Paul
Then
St. Louis, 4th largest.
@@willp.8120 yea but all those cities sports teams are trash lowkey 😂
St Louis hasn’t had a NBA team since the Hawks moved to Atlanta surprised they are not mentioned
My top 3 cities for the NBA expansion (in no particular order):
Seattle, Louisville, and St. Louis
Kansas City instead of St. Louis because the city is decaying
I think we all know it’s gonna be Seattle and Vegas, but Louisville would be awesome.