@@FunkyDude-e3w Astrid: By Sithis, Cicero, why are you sweating so much? Cicero: Uhm, I killed a flame atronach Astrid: A flame atronach? At this time of day in this part of Skyrim completely localized entirely inside of the Night Mother's coffin? Cicero: Yes. Astrid: May I see it? Cicero: No.
Cicero while mad was also the most loyal to the Brotherhood out of anyone. He followed the tenets to the letter, and never strayed from them. Given the situation the Brotherhood found itself in anyone would have found themselves going mad or more likely abandoning the Brotherhood. But he didn't abandon it he carried on doing his duty to the night mother and staying true to the tenets until the end. In a way Cicero is one of the more tragic characters in the series. Loyal to Sithis and yet touched by Sheogorath I'm amazed Cicero is as stable as he is considering that.
@Daniel To be honest it makes sense why the dragonborn would do that with Cicero, the guy is probably the most passionate and loyal character in Skyrim.
Ya Astrid got what was coming.....Although everyone else in the brotherhood were ironically enough pretty nice if you throw away the fact that they're a bloodthirsty death cult
Cicero: *dedicates himself so strongly to the Old Ways of the Brotherhood, and his duties as Keeper, that it literally drives him insane, and makes him attack those that shirk these things* Also Cicero: *Happily forgets his duties as Keeper and the Old Ways of the Brotherhood as he follows the Listener around indefinitely, joining them in killing random people and creatures while The Listener ignores the ever-present offer for a contract*
Well to be fair, if the listener commands it then he has to follow through since they are the leader. He wouldnt want to gain the wrath of the night mother.
He is being ordered around by the listener, he realistically can't disobey, especially considering how small the brotherhood is and how important this specific listener is its more important to keep them alive than risk them dying so I doubt sith is or the night mother mind
From what I can tell Your character becomes the mad god And from what the video said, he slit the champion's throat which is also your character Just picture your character returning to the isles after being killed in the mortal realm
@@Himmyjewett I didn't really know how far the time skip is so thanks I guess it would make more sense if he was a dark elf cause those guys seem to live forever
Cicero is an idiot, but he's not an idiot due to poor writing like a lot of Skyrim characters. He's not supposed to be this intelligent military strategist or cunning villain, he's just a madman who lost everything. Cicero is a rare example of an actually compelling and entertaining Skyrim character, and for that we all love him.
But unlike irl religion, the “gods” actually exist. So sithis exists. So with that being said, wasn’t just he trying to save his fellow assassins from torture from sithis? Even Lucien Lachance says you shouldn’t kill him, because the void would be angry.
@@8wholebagsofcorn911 Well in Oblivion if you angered the brotherhood, Sithis’s ghost would appear, and you would have to fight it, which I thought was neat. I wonder why Sithis never attacked Astrid’s false brotherhood?
If you refuse to fix his wagon, he burns down the entire farm he's camped in front of, murdering the family who lived there. As if he wasn't conspicuous enough.
But that is not subtle in the slightest and the brotherhood prides it’s self in stealth and effectiveness of killing a target. That murder was pointless and now the Jarl will be more alert making hard to carry out missions
@@christopherbull7856 The Dark Brotherhood does not pride itself on stealth. That’s the Thieves Guild domain. There are many DB members who do not use stealth, and outwardly look down on it. For instance there is Gogron gro-Bolmog, a dark brotherhood assassin from Oblivion who asserts that sneaking is dishonorable and cowardly. All the DB cares about is carrying out contracts and honoring the Night Mother. Which Cicero does, by safely delivering her to the Falkreath sanctuary, farm or no farm.
@@christopherbull7856 the dark brotherhood don’t care about stealth. Sure it makes it easier to carry out contacts with but as long as the contact is carried out and they get away they don’t care how the kill is done.
@@SussurroDiMezzanotte I remember that guy, he also mentiones when your bonus has no given spesifics to be fulfilled that, thats his favourite missions. He can just slay a dude and get full payment. 😂
Cicero was right to attack Astrid because Astrid dishonoured the night mother and broke the 5 tenets 1 2 & 3 so as keeper he has every right to attack Astrid. Tenet I. Never dishonor the Night Mother. Which she did by insulting her. Tenet II. Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. Which she did to maro. Tenet III. Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. Which she did by not carrying out the contract for Amaund Motierre straight away. So cicero is not an idiot he is very loyal to the dark brotherhood.
Well considering that she also is guilty of theft from a dark brother or sister and guilty of murdering a dark brother or sister. She ask the Dragonborn if a member to steal from Cicero and later to kill him. If she ask you do kill him who’s say she didn’t order the death of another member? She is guilty of breaking all 3 surprised she never envolked the wrath of Sithis before this. I hope she is forever tormented in the void for her blasphemies Hail Sithis!
XrazgarX Sithis wouldn’t waste his time. Why should a Predator bother themselves with a Fly? He allowed all she held most dear to burn, and those who swore fealty were saved. In effect, Sithis himself carried out a Purification.
Cicero did try to rise up against the Listener...if you didn't get the ghost of Lucien, you wouldn't be warned that Sithis wouldn't approve of Cicero's death.
It kind of makes sense for Cicero to be so conspicuous when he's moving across skyrim. The keeper is supposed to protect the nightmother, so if the night mother is attacked then Cicero can fight and kill the attackers... That way he's killing but not filling any contracts. Its almost like he's daring people to throw the first shot. Sounds like a mad genius to me 🤷♂️
From a psychological stand point, I would say that Cicero is actually very intelligent. The way he "went mad" says a lot about how his mind works and his outward actions back this up. One of my biggest beefs with the rest of the Dark Brotherhood members is the same beef I have with the real world. Cicero is not mad. His journals tell us that he was alone for 8 years, in the dark, waiting for a sign that it was safe to leave and ultimately hoping that all of his patients hadn't been for not. He watched his adopted family be torn apart, casualties of being in-between a drug war and the Listener's deadly daddy issues. Cicero is a master manipulator. That's his game. That's one of the reasons he was such a stellar assassin. He also seems to prefer jobs that require him to put on an act. He reminisces about fooling the grand champion, but reveals that, under stress, a quick in and out job became quite the hassle. In Elder Scrolls: Legends, his card calls him "the betrayer" (something like that), not implying that he was the traitor in the DB quest line, but rather describing his speciality. I'd imagine that being able to decipher people so easily is one of the reasons he has no problem killing people. To him, they're predictable and thus boring, like an old toy. After being taken out of the field was probably devastating to the Cicero he had been, and so he needed to adapt to the dramatic change in his life. His last contract was the jester as we all know, but the way the jester laughed in death was surprising and new. He stuck with Cicero for this reason and after the rest of the family had left one way or another, the jester that danced in the back of his mind became one of the last things Cicero remembered about the world outside, before the sanctuary fell. Just as the jester found joy in death, Cicero too sought out joy in his own. This was actually his brain protecting him. With his will being incredibly strong, he would not bail out, and because of his mind's ability to sustain itself through his vivid imagination (a trait also found in intelligent people), he didn't resort to suicide, which would have been the only other likely escape. Cicero didn't become the jester. He became his own jester. He became what he perceived the jester to be and cultivated a part of himself that he had never really focused on before. He's still Cicero, and sometimes you can see/hear the original Cicero come out to play. My conclusion is that Cicero is smart, very smart. Now yes, he has done dumb things, but as I like to say, "Smart people are just a special kind of dumb". Smart or not, ones emotions aren't any easier to control.(thank you Astrid the harlot) I'd also like to write a prescription for him to continue being around his new Dark Siblings. That's it. Other than his homicidal tendencies, I'd say there's nothing wrong with him really. He just needs time for his brain to realize that it's alright to leave the safety of La La Land. He's not alone anymore.
Was looking for a comment like this. I couldn’t agree more, he’s smart as hell. Pre-jester Cicero was cautious and calculating, and that didn’t really change, he only became mad. And like you said, sometimes the original Cicero comes out, it’s just kinda hard to catch.
Finally someone said it. Cicero might be the least ''mad'' madman. Everything he does is for a reason, unlike sheogorath who does seemingly random things. Cicero becomes/is extremely erratic, homocidal, sadistic... but not mad. He doesn't see things that aren't there, he doesn't do things for no reason. Just because he's loud, erratic and likes to dance around doesn't make him mad.
Cicero is literally underrated, he was able to severely wound a trained shadowscale, outrun and wound a werewolf, get past a troll without killing it while wounded from the previous attacks, and still have lots of energy to attack you if you try killing him. Maybe he was assaulted by guards and/or bandits along the way, but he has so much good skills to get rid of them, keep in mind that if you turn Cicero into the guards, later on Lorius appears dead in his house and he somehow escapes prison. Cicero is definitely an idiot, but a very powerful one
@@SonOfVenus92494 Not to mention he predicted Astrid would be the Dark Brotherhood’s demise and he was right. He’s not idiot he’s just way ahead of the curve.
I always figured Cicero traveled so "out in the open" because he secretly wanted to be attacked. He misses killing, and whilst he can't do contracts anymore, it is his duty to protect the mother. So if anyone happened to attack him he would get to kill them
"The Sanctuary is safety, and salvation. But silent, so silent. I give my love to the Unholy Matron. I give my laughter freely. But I do not hear her. The silence has returned. Now that I am laughter, and no longer hear laughter, I once again hear the silence. The silence of the Void. It reached across time and space. Its silence is deafening, once more."
He is an idiot he once jested with the idea he was going to get revenge on me. I assigned him to a new order known as the blades you may have heard of them. He is now a jester among fools along with Sven and Aela
Keeper was a position given to him when the Night Mother was in danger........which id say in dawnstar she really isn't + the black hand (or in this case the listener) has given him this job so they (or in this case the listener) has the right to tell him go kill people with me
I know people will disagree and that's fine, but I personally think The elder scrolls series have really produced some of the best games out there. (My personal favorite series)
@@ShIbaShlba exactly... they've gifted us with so many memories...and all these games were waaaay ahead of their time too!...i hope es6 would be as epic
It always amuses me how his relationship to the Night Mother isn't parasocial or one-sided, and she expresses regret that Cicero is not the Listener. Yeah, he's insane, but she feels the same way he does, and it weirdly grounds him in reality in a way very unlike him, and contributing a lot to his mysterious and insane impressions
This seems out of place in this series, even you dont seem convinced hes an idiot. Everything he does that is questionable is pretty much summed up in this madness and internal conflict. On top of that Cicero is actually rather smart in some ways. He kept the night mother safe on his lonesome for a long time, he survived when others perished, he managed to reclaim a sanctuary in a land he had never been on his own, he could see how Astrid was ruining the brotherhood when no one else could even before going there which is why he initially avoided joining them he sets traps and tricks arnbijorn and the player into believing hes mortally wounded. In many ways Cicero is highly intelligent, but hes also mad
He wasn't really an idiot for carrying around a coffin on a wagon all the way from Dawnstar to Falkreath because if the guards saw him sure they would question him a bit but they would arrest some random jester trying to transport his "mother". Bandits wouldn't be an issue also because we can clearly see that he is dangerously smart and skilled at killing. I don't think a few untrained bandits could really do anything against him. The thing that makes him an idiot is how he sings about brutal murder in public and says things like "LeTs KiLl SoMeOnE" right in front of guards.
I remember in one of my visits to Whiterun, two characters where joking about Cicero's situation with the broken down wagon, so I doubt that anyone really cared all that much about seeing a strangly dressed man carrying a coffin around.
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I mean, all he had to do to be listener was cuddle with the night mother inside the closed casket. As her keeper it ain't like he ain't felt up every part of her decaying body anyway while "keeping". Jokes aside I found it very interesting that the cicero somehow talks exactly like the night mother. I also laughed really hard the first time I spared Cicero and he actually got me with that line pretending he was going to fight me after sparing him. I laughed pretty hard at that since my jaw was dropped for the long pause before the "Psyche!". Part of me also hates "The Dark Brotherhood Forever" Questline. I kind of wish we could dispatch assassins at will instead of having a quest respawn infinitely in the quest menu.
There's a difference between idiocy and lunacy. One is a lack of intellectual prowess, the other is a lack of mental and/or emotional stability. Hannibal Lecter proves that intelligence is not necessarily linked to sanity.
In my first playthrough I ended up killing him, trusting Astrid and her judgement. The game promptly slapped me in the face for not thinking with my own head, as at the end of the quest, with only two members alive due to her foolishness, I thought there could be one more if it weren't for my lack or thinking. This game is very well done, it poses you hard choiches and makes you live with the consequences. This is the first, and for now the only, game I played that's like this and, honestly, it reminded me I need to think before doing anything else.
Love Cicero. He was always my favorite follower until serana was introduced. His dialogue was always fun. And him giggling and cracking jokes really broke up the monotony of dungeon crawling. He'd still be my main follower if serana didn't have a more useful skill set
I actually don't think Cicero is an idiot because he was right about Astrid being unfit to lead the Dark Brotherhood due to the fact she had broken all five tenets of the Dark Brotherhood.
He might be an idiot but the spirit of Lucien Lachance had to make a remark about Sithis' disapproval of having him killed and even the Night Mother herself felt sorry for him not being anointed as listener.
you know about him traveling pretty obviously ? Well remember he is an assassin and if you try to ge thim arrested, he kills the guard that tried to arrest him and the couple running the farm. I think Cicero can handle himself perfectly fine
Problem is Cicero is not an idiot at all considering he is along with you (depending of your choices) the actual only true member of the Dark Brotherhood. Others are quite bunch of murderers leads by an opportunist murderer. He is true one, even not murdering by being the keeper he respects all tenets (except one I come in it later) when Astrid broke all of them. He litteraly saved the Brotherhood by keeping safe night mother making her able to choose you as Listener. Also if you summon the Spectral Ghost of Lucien Lachance during the quest given by Astrid to murder Cicero, Lucien will say that he is agree to kill him if you wish but feeling the void, Sithis himself, seems to not wish it at all. Remember that we talk about Lucien who ordered you in Oblivion to kill all your teammates not regarding if they were loyal or not just to find one snake who actually wasn't even inside the sanctuary. And here he is the first saying it is not a good idea at all. Even more, (and here we finally come back in the tenets break) Cicero actually just broke one tenets by attempting to murder a sister and even claiming that he would do it again. Punishment for this should be the Wrath of Sithis and instead of that Sithis actually don't want him dead or even punished. That saying long on Cicero importance and also saying long about how Astrid is disregard to being a Brotherhood sister by the Void itself.
The Adoring Fan honestly tripped ALL of my alarm bells the first time I beat the arena. XD I let him follow and was honestly ready to turn and shoot him at any second for the first few ingame days of playing with him.
It isn’t that he was inspired by the jester he was obsessed, he studied the jesters every movement and his personality He BECAME the jester mentally he was driven insane by the jester took his clothes and everything
He’s a broken man. Literally the joker of The elder scrolls. His humanity was slowly taken away from being an assassin and then his sanity was stricken from him in a cruel joke as he slays his last target. Being possessed by his obsession of the joker His mentality is now limited to that of protect the night mother, listen to the listener, murder and make dark jokes. He isn’t an idiot by his intelligence but by his minds limitations of mental illness
My first playthrough I killed him with no remorse and hated his guts. My next few playthoughs.... I always make sure to spare him after realizing that he was right all along about Astrid and funny enough... became my favorite follower.
But let's be clear, Cicero is way smarter and likeable than Delphine, enough smarter to convince you to let him leave, giving you more options while Delphine's like "paTHRUNaxx bad, kILL Bad drAGon".
The funny thing is Cicero is the sane one. He is 100% right about Astrid because not only does she break all 5 tenants but betrays you later on and gets pretty much everyone killed including herself. Cicero was just trying to get rid of a poor leader that was running things into the ground. So the only real idiot is Astrid while Cicero was the smart and capable one. He isn't as crazy as everyone thinks and it is likely all an act.
Maybe the reason he never hid the Night Mother's coffin in plain sight was a way to possibly bait patrols or disgusted onlookers into a fight. To give him an opportunity to kill again, without directly disobeying the tenants by passing it off as "self defense" or the like. It would also explain the persona he adopted after his last kill. Maybe being what could be considered as an annoying jester might also spark ire from an irritated sellsword/adventurer.
If you try to get him arrested he kills the guards and the couple on the farm then burns said farm to the ground, yeah I think he can handle himself just fine
I do not think idiot is the right word to summarize CIcero', I think "mad" is a better fit. Surely he is very weird and clearly a psycopath, but he was always faithful to his purpose (serving the night mother) which has lead the the Dark Brotherhood to be revived, also, he remained alive whereas all his comrades was slain and he was carrying the Night Mother's coffing the whole time, which surely prevented him of being anything but discreet. If anything he is a genious because all of his actions led to the revival of the Brothehood, him keeping his position as the keeper (if the Dragonborn lets him live), finding a new listener (which is something he so very much desires, even voices it), and "cleansing" the last sanctuary (Astrid dies in the end) so the Brotherhood could start anew, and with the "old ways" embedded on their etiquette.
Why is Cicero and idiot? well he has been taking care of a corpse for a long time and cleaning it and also talking to it and being alone, that's more then enough to make him an idiot and turn crazy.
Dude the night mother should have made him listener, I mean he was literally the only loyal Dark Brotherhood left. If she had done this, most likely he would have never went crazy and everything in the dark brotherhood story would have played-out with a sane Cicero at the helm. Besides Astrid and her husband, everyone seemed to be on board with going back to the old ways. He could have easily convinced them and done so with a more calculating mind. Not have jumped Astrid immediately. Especially after she betrays them, he would have sealed the deal, Can you just imagine meeting this guy as a sane listener? But of course Bethesda had to have the Dragonborn be the listener because video game reasons I guess lol
ah yes the Dark Brotherhood.....if Bethesda could actually tell a story this could have been great as it is though its a half thought. The listener never took contracts either they were upper management, that is, they passed on the contracts given to them by the Night Mother to the other members of the sanctuary. This story could have been slightly better if you had to actually rebuild the Dark Brotherhood after its destruction by recruiting new members up to 4 new leaders (cant remember what they were called) so now you have the 4 fingers and the thumb (thanks Lucian) and then you recruit new members for your sanctuary with Nazim's and Babett's help up to x members (i like 5 for this), then randomly while you are out and about the night mother tells you about a contract and you go back to tell Nazim and/or Babett and they tell the "lackeys" (up to the number of "lackeys" you have at a time) if any modders want to tackle this please please do
I think what broken Cicero even more is that he actually DID kill on occasion, violating the code he so desperately clung to. If you turn the guards against him after his wagon broke, he will still make it to the dawnstar and falkwreath sanctuaries, by killing the guard and farmers that stooped him.
And are we absolutely sure that Jester Cicero killed wasn’t Sheogorath in disguise? Reading his journals always have me a real Sheogorath vibe, it just felt like his MO.
Cicero is my top 3 favorite madman in TES lore. Sheogorath of TES IV being the first. And Sheogorath The Champion of Cyrodiil being the second. And personally I wouldn't call him an "IDIOT", he's just a pure madman. But, all you have goverd about him is true facts, so, fair point.
I would actually argue, that going around as a lone jester carting a corpse, is actually quite a genius way to avoid trouble Bandits aren't gonna bother him, cuz he doesn't have anything, clearly, unless they wanna steal a corpse, and any that try to just kill him, would find him a very skilled fighter and quickly think better of it. Sure most people he meet aren't gonna like him, but he doesn't need them to. He has money, so he can pay for inns and food, and few places will turn away a paying customer because they're a bit weird. And he could easilly get quite a bit of sympathy from most if he needed help, and played up a story of 'on my way to bury my mother at x spot that she really loved'
There's a difference between idiocy and madness and Cicero clearly is much more the latter of the two. While Astrid ends up violating every single tenant of the Brotherhood and ignoring century's worth of precedent effectively turning the Brotherhood into nothing more than a two-bit imitation of what it once was, Cicero sees the wisdom in the old ways that kept the Brotherhood going for so long and fully upholds all the tenants. There's a reason those tenants stayed around for so long and Astrid showed tremendous hubris in ignoring them and substituting her own judgement. If you have the spectral assassin with you when you go to confront Cicero in Dawnstar he makes it very clear that Sithis does not want Cicero killed. Ultimately Astrid faces the wrath of Sithis but Sithis is firmly on Cicero's side.
Cicero was the most sane person in the Falkreath sanctuary. Astrid was a fool for breaking all the tenets and abandoned the traditions of the Brotherhood.
Cicero was rewarded for his faith by Louis Lachance suggesting sparing him if summoned at Dawnstar sanctuary. He attacked Astrid for her vanity and blasphemy of the nightmother. It all worked out in the end. Perhaps he sees five steps ahead and acts like madman to cover his genius. Being dressed as a jester with a coffin and mannerism are blatant and stupid.
No. He is not. When the ghost of Lucian letchate says the dread father does not want this. Then Cicero is not a idiot but the only true remaining dark brotherhood memeber
Always liked the Morag Tong more than the Dark Brotherhood. Some of the quests in Oblivion Dark Brotherhood questline were legendary, but I never felt the same way about Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood, so for years now every playthrough, even where I start out planning on joining I end up killing them. Let Cicero hang around with the Night Mother's corpse in whatever Sanctuary he wants.
Cicero possibly travelled like that to attract attention because he enjoys killing and if someone is attacking the Night Mother's coffin he has to defend it which is a loophole he can use to kill
... You say that like guards or bandits could actually defeat Cicero. If you paid attention to the journals and the game itself, you'd know he was really amazing at his job. He was and is one of the best assassins who ever lived. Even in madness, he was an exceptionally skilled fighter, considering he managed to attack and wound a master assassin in the very heart of their hideout, in the presence of several other master assassins and fairly effortlessly escape, then went toe to toe with a rampaging werewolf, wound him and get away. He faced the Listener and put up a pretty damn good fight with heavy bloodloss and (what sounded like) half his guts hanging out. He doesn't really need to worry about a couple of meager patrols in a kingdom in the middle of a taxing civil war.
and after reading his journals i always spared him as i wanted to give him his family back i cared not for the way the skyrim brotherhood was and wanted a return to the true way
Is he???, or is he the only ACTUAL member of the Dark Brotherhood, upholding their unholy matron and tenets, that everyone decided to just break and cast aside because one bad leader said so, a bad leader who then almost brought the destruction to the Skyrim chapter. Cicero was just serving Sithis.
This doesnt really point to him being an idiot, just a madman who finally broke
Avarti's IDIOT videos are rarely with idiots tbh, dude exaggerates wayyyyy too much.
BlueBedouin true, he will be like don’t join this guild, don’t join that guild because this this and that. Like bro let me play my game
I am Spartacus! True. I disagree with the sindig vid thi
@@bigsen4327 you dont desserve to play youre game
he's not an idiot just fucking crazy
Cicero gets WAYYYYYYY too much joy from taking care of a corpse just saying
"Must oil mother"
Yeah, i thinks it’s definitely one of the creepiest things that are implied in Skyrim . That Cicero has a “fetish” for a dead body 😦
@@FunkyDude-e3w
Astrid: By Sithis, Cicero, why are you sweating so much?
Cicero: Uhm, I killed a flame atronach
Astrid: A flame atronach? At this time of day in this part of Skyrim completely localized entirely inside of the Night Mother's coffin?
Cicero: Yes.
Astrid: May I see it?
Cicero: No.
I dread going into the night mothers coffin....
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You could even say that he is a fool
Fool of hearts
He’s a madman nothing more nothing less
@@bigsen4327 hes also a clown, which is less.
@@greirath1771 That's offensive to clows tho
@@augustussantos im sure a good amount of clowns would agree its a sad job.
Cicero while mad was also the most loyal to the Brotherhood out of anyone. He followed the tenets to the letter, and never strayed from them. Given the situation the Brotherhood found itself in anyone would have found themselves going mad or more likely abandoning the Brotherhood. But he didn't abandon it he carried on doing his duty to the night mother and staying true to the tenets until the end. In a way Cicero is one of the more tragic characters in the series. Loyal to Sithis and yet touched by Sheogorath I'm amazed Cicero is as stable as he is considering that.
@Daniel uhhh
@Daniel but why do we need to know that lmao
@Daniel To be honest it makes sense why the dragonborn would do that with Cicero, the guy is probably the most passionate and loyal character in Skyrim.
@Daniel shhhhh don't exposed it c'mon!
You gotta mention about the fan fiction about him too!
@Daniel tf?
Astrid: Betrays the Dark Brotherhood
Commander Maro: It's free real estate
Stonks
Me killing him and the emperor: your damn right it is
This pissed me off greatly
Ya Astrid got what was coming.....Although everyone else in the brotherhood were ironically enough pretty nice if you throw away the fact that they're a bloodthirsty death cult
Lets be real, after the dark brotherhood killed his son what did she think was going to happen? he was just going to forget about that?
Id almost argue Cicero a genius for orchestrating the downfall of Astrid and the return to the old ways
90D chess
Nobody:
Cicero: *lEtS kIlL sOmEoNe*
*oh boy here I go killing again*
“Ho ho ho, teehee he, break that lute across my knee. And if the bard shall choose to fight, why then I’ll set his clothes alight!”
ebony knife
Cicero: *dedicates himself so strongly to the Old Ways of the Brotherhood, and his duties as Keeper, that it literally drives him insane, and makes him attack those that shirk these things*
Also Cicero: *Happily forgets his duties as Keeper and the Old Ways of the Brotherhood as he follows the Listener around indefinitely, joining them in killing random people and creatures while The Listener ignores the ever-present offer for a contract*
Well to be fair, if the listener commands it then he has to follow through since they are the leader. He wouldnt want to gain the wrath of the night mother.
Cicero is the best vanilla follower too, he is more aggressive than Serena and will attack targets from stealth as well. if only he would shut up.
He is being ordered around by the listener, he realistically can't disobey, especially considering how small the brotherhood is and how important this specific listener is its more important to keep them alive than risk them dying so I doubt sith is or the night mother mind
Have you read his journals? Those tell you how he went insane
And kills a farmer for not fixing his wagon wheel, when hes not supposed to kill.
“Sheogorath! Daedric Prince of Madness!”
*Cicero: “DADDY??”
“Oh Sh*t, not him again...”
From what I can tell
Your character becomes the mad god
And from what the video said, he slit the champion's throat which is also your character
Just picture your character returning to the isles after being killed in the mortal realm
@@lil_mis_smiles Cicero's journal was referring to a different Grand Champion.
@@lil_mis_smiles oblivion and skyrim are 400 years apart so no Cicero does not kill the character
@@Himmyjewett I didn't really know how far the time skip is so thanks
I guess it would make more sense if he was a dark elf cause those guys seem to live forever
@@Himmyjewett I know I`m 6 months late to tell you this, but Oblivion and Skyrim is set 200 years apart and not 400
Cicero is an idiot, but he's not an idiot due to poor writing like a lot of Skyrim characters. He's not supposed to be this intelligent military strategist or cunning villain, he's just a madman who lost everything. Cicero is a rare example of an actually compelling and entertaining Skyrim character, and for that we all love him.
This right here
But unlike irl religion, the “gods” actually exist. So sithis exists. So with that being said, wasn’t just he trying to save his fellow assassins from torture from sithis? Even Lucien Lachance says you shouldn’t kill him, because the void would be angry.
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Well in Oblivion if you angered the brotherhood, Sithis’s ghost would appear, and you would have to fight it, which I thought was neat.
I wonder why Sithis never attacked Astrid’s false brotherhood?
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist if he did that he would have wiped the db from existance
No we don't.
If you refuse to fix his wagon, he burns down the entire farm he's camped in front of, murdering the family who lived there. As if he wasn't conspicuous enough.
what a charming fellow
But that is not subtle in the slightest and the brotherhood prides it’s self in stealth and effectiveness of killing a target. That murder was pointless and now the Jarl will be more alert making hard to carry out missions
@@christopherbull7856 The Dark Brotherhood does not pride itself on stealth. That’s the Thieves Guild domain. There are many DB members who do not use stealth, and outwardly look down on it. For instance there is Gogron gro-Bolmog, a dark brotherhood assassin from Oblivion who asserts that sneaking is dishonorable and cowardly. All the DB cares about is carrying out contracts and honoring the Night Mother. Which Cicero does, by safely delivering her to the Falkreath sanctuary, farm or no farm.
@@christopherbull7856 the dark brotherhood don’t care about stealth. Sure it makes it easier to carry out contacts with but as long as the contact is carried out and they get away they don’t care how the kill is done.
@@SussurroDiMezzanotte I remember that guy, he also mentiones when your bonus has no given spesifics to be fulfilled that, thats his favourite missions. He can just slay a dude and get full payment. 😂
Can you really call someone an idiot, when he's clearly not all there to begin with?
Right it’s like making a “Narfi is stupid” video
Well, the original and most literal definition of "idiot" is someone who is crazy.
@@Alizudo Oh yeah? So I guess he is an idiot, in the classical sense. That's funny.
@@chadnorris8257
Also "dumb" in the classical sense means "someone who doesn't/cannot speak".
@@Alizudo Isn't that mute?
Cicero was right to attack Astrid because Astrid dishonoured the night mother and broke the 5 tenets 1 2 & 3 so as keeper he has every right to attack Astrid. Tenet I. Never dishonor the Night Mother. Which she did by insulting her. Tenet II. Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. Which she did to maro. Tenet III. Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. Which she did by not carrying out the contract for Amaund Motierre straight away. So cicero is not an idiot he is very loyal to the dark brotherhood.
Good point. But maybe that was the idiotic décision, as in Oblivion where you stay loyal and it leads to the almost destruction of the brotherhood
Well considering that she also is guilty of theft from a dark brother or sister and guilty of murdering a dark brother or sister. She ask the Dragonborn if a member to steal from Cicero and later to kill him. If she ask you do kill him who’s say she didn’t order the death of another member? She is guilty of breaking all 3 surprised she never envolked the wrath of Sithis before this. I hope she is forever tormented in the void for her blasphemies Hail Sithis!
XrazgarX Sithis wouldn’t waste his time. Why should a Predator bother themselves with a Fly? He allowed all she held most dear to burn, and those who swore fealty were saved. In effect, Sithis himself carried out a Purification.
@@synthwendigo639 Sithis is not female ??
Cicero did try to rise up against the Listener...if you didn't get the ghost of Lucien, you wouldn't be warned that Sithis wouldn't approve of Cicero's death.
It kind of makes sense for Cicero to be so conspicuous when he's moving across skyrim. The keeper is supposed to protect the nightmother, so if the night mother is attacked then Cicero can fight and kill the attackers... That way he's killing but not filling any contracts. Its almost like he's daring people to throw the first shot. Sounds like a mad genius to me 🤷♂️
I never thought about that...you m’sir, just blew my mind
Night Mother: Ugh. Now you know why I don't talk to you.
From a psychological stand point, I would say that Cicero is actually very intelligent. The way he "went mad" says a lot about how his mind works and his outward actions back this up.
One of my biggest beefs with the rest of the Dark Brotherhood members is the same beef I have with the real world.
Cicero is not mad.
His journals tell us that he was alone for 8 years, in the dark, waiting for a sign that it was safe to leave and ultimately hoping that all of his patients hadn't been for not. He watched his adopted family be torn apart, casualties of being in-between a drug war and the Listener's deadly daddy issues.
Cicero is a master manipulator. That's his game. That's one of the reasons he was such a stellar assassin. He also seems to prefer jobs that require him to put on an act. He reminisces about fooling the grand champion, but reveals that, under stress, a quick in and out job became quite the hassle.
In Elder Scrolls: Legends, his card calls him "the betrayer" (something like that), not implying that he was the traitor in the DB quest line, but rather describing his speciality. I'd imagine that being able to decipher people so easily is one of the reasons he has no problem killing people. To him, they're predictable and thus boring, like an old toy.
After being taken out of the field was probably devastating to the Cicero he had been, and so he needed to adapt to the dramatic change in his life. His last contract was the jester as we all know, but the way the jester laughed in death was surprising and new. He stuck with Cicero for this reason and after the rest of the family had left one way or another, the jester that danced in the back of his mind became one of the last things Cicero remembered about the world outside, before the sanctuary fell. Just as the jester found joy in death, Cicero too sought out joy in his own. This was actually his brain protecting him. With his will being incredibly strong, he would not bail out, and because of his mind's ability to sustain itself through his vivid imagination (a trait also found in intelligent people), he didn't resort to suicide, which would have been the only other likely escape.
Cicero didn't become the jester. He became his own jester. He became what he perceived the jester to be and cultivated a part of himself that he had never really focused on before. He's still Cicero, and sometimes you can see/hear the original Cicero come out to play.
My conclusion is that Cicero is smart, very smart. Now yes, he has done dumb things, but as I like to say, "Smart people are just a special kind of dumb". Smart or not, ones emotions aren't any easier to control.(thank you Astrid the harlot)
I'd also like to write a prescription for him to continue being around his new Dark Siblings. That's it. Other than his homicidal tendencies, I'd say there's nothing wrong with him really. He just needs time for his brain to realize that it's alright to leave the safety of La La Land.
He's not alone anymore.
Was looking for a comment like this. I couldn’t agree more, he’s smart as hell. Pre-jester Cicero was cautious and calculating, and that didn’t really change, he only became mad. And like you said, sometimes the original Cicero comes out, it’s just kinda hard to catch.
Finally someone said it. Cicero might be the least ''mad'' madman. Everything he does is for a reason, unlike sheogorath who does seemingly random things. Cicero becomes/is extremely erratic, homocidal, sadistic... but not mad. He doesn't see things that aren't there, he doesn't do things for no reason. Just because he's loud, erratic and likes to dance around doesn't make him mad.
Cicero is literally underrated, he was able to severely wound a trained shadowscale, outrun and wound a werewolf, get past a troll without killing it while wounded from the previous attacks, and still have lots of energy to attack you if you try killing him. Maybe he was assaulted by guards and/or bandits along the way, but he has so much good skills to get rid of them, keep in mind that if you turn Cicero into the guards, later on Lorius appears dead in his house and he somehow escapes prison. Cicero is definitely an idiot, but a very powerful one
No. He's far from being an idiot, being that he accomplished so much.
@@SonOfVenus92494 Not to mention he predicted Astrid would be the Dark Brotherhood’s demise and he was right. He’s not idiot he’s just way ahead of the curve.
Leave poor sweet Cicero alone :(
Cicero is my husbando
I think it's cool how you expect Cicero to be a chaotic evil npc, but once you get to know him he is lawful evil. Very interesting madman
I always figured Cicero traveled so "out in the open" because he secretly wanted to be attacked. He misses killing, and whilst he can't do contracts anymore, it is his duty to protect the mother. So if anyone happened to attack him he would get to kill them
"The Sanctuary is safety, and salvation. But silent, so silent. I give my love to the Unholy Matron. I give my laughter freely. But I do not hear her. The silence has returned. Now that I am laughter, and no longer hear laughter, I once again hear the silence. The silence of the Void. It reached across time and space. Its silence is deafening, once more."
He is an idiot he once jested with the idea he was going to get revenge on me. I assigned him to a new order known as the blades you may have heard of them. He is now a jester among fools along with Sven and Aela
With Extra Blades mod, the Blades has been restored and filled with 10 copies of Cicero
No! He is not an idiot! He stayed true to the dark brotherhood
Even when he went mad his loyalty never falted
@@breadgod2895 yup
I like how Cicero says he won’t kill anymore because he’s the keeper but agrees to be your companion and kill people anyway
Could be a excuse, to kill considering it would be in "defending" the listener.
Michael Reyes it could be, but I just think the game developers have overlooked it and didn’t realize how dumb it was
Smiley Crucifix same. The game could be so much more immersive
Keeper was a position given to him when the Night Mother was in danger........which id say in dawnstar she really isn't + the black hand (or in this case the listener) has given him this job so they (or in this case the listener) has the right to tell him go kill people with me
Some Victor So you’re saying that the listener’s authority allows him to order Cicero to kill despite him being the listener
Wow almost 10 years after the game released it's still relevant!
I know people will disagree and that's fine, but I personally think The elder scrolls series have really produced some of the best games out there. (My personal favorite series)
Doggone Doggers I agree I just hope es6 will live up to the hype (yk if we live to see it)
@@urielgarcia6327 yeah!
@@ShIbaShlba exactly... they've gifted us with so many memories...and all these games were waaaay ahead of their time too!...i hope es6 would be as epic
@@dheerajnunni8611 tes ⁷6
It always amuses me how his relationship to the Night Mother isn't parasocial or one-sided, and she expresses regret that Cicero is not the Listener. Yeah, he's insane, but she feels the same way he does, and it weirdly grounds him in reality in a way very unlike him, and contributing a lot to his mysterious and insane impressions
This seems out of place in this series, even you dont seem convinced hes an idiot. Everything he does that is questionable is pretty much summed up in this madness and internal conflict. On top of that Cicero is actually rather smart in some ways. He kept the night mother safe on his lonesome for a long time, he survived when others perished, he managed to reclaim a sanctuary in a land he had never been on his own, he could see how Astrid was ruining the brotherhood when no one else could even before going there which is why he initially avoided joining them he sets traps and tricks arnbijorn and the player into believing hes mortally wounded. In many ways Cicero is highly intelligent, but hes also mad
Yeah. I can't get behind this.
We have an in with the Dread Father, after all. Lucien tells us his will.
How dare you accuse our psychopathic sweet Cicero of such things.
He wasn't really an idiot for carrying around a coffin on a wagon all the way from Dawnstar to Falkreath because if the guards saw him sure they would question him a bit but they would arrest some random jester trying to transport his "mother". Bandits wouldn't be an issue also because we can clearly see that he is dangerously smart and skilled at killing. I don't think a few untrained bandits could really do anything against him. The thing that makes him an idiot is how he sings about brutal murder in public and says things like "LeTs KiLl SoMeOnE" right in front of guards.
I remember in one of my visits to Whiterun, two characters where joking about Cicero's situation with the broken down wagon, so I doubt that anyone really cared all that much about seeing a strangly dressed man carrying a coffin around.
have you ever heard about the wayward realms? four ex bethesda workers including Julian Lefay (the father of tes) are creating the game that is spiritual successor of daggerfall
wonder if it will be as buggy and broken as daggerfall too lmao
@@horse_dog It just works.
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At first I thought this was a "have you heard of the high elves" type of meme.
I mean, all he had to do to be listener was cuddle with the night mother inside the closed casket. As her keeper it ain't like he ain't felt up every part of her decaying body anyway while "keeping". Jokes aside I found it very interesting that the cicero somehow talks exactly like the night mother. I also laughed really hard the first time I spared Cicero and he actually got me with that line pretending he was going to fight me after sparing him. I laughed pretty hard at that since my jaw was dropped for the long pause before the "Psyche!". Part of me also hates "The Dark Brotherhood Forever" Questline. I kind of wish we could dispatch assassins at will instead of having a quest respawn infinitely in the quest menu.
There are two types of insanity. Those who know too much and those who are too detached from the world. Cicero I think is the latter.
Avarti: “Everyone in this game is a fucking idiot, except General Tullius. He is a beautiful man.”
personally, i love that clown himbo
There's a difference between idiocy and lunacy. One is a lack of intellectual prowess, the other is a lack of mental and/or emotional stability. Hannibal Lecter proves that intelligence is not necessarily linked to sanity.
Arguing to kill Sinding was one thing but now you are crossing a line here, mister
XD
In my first playthrough I ended up killing him, trusting Astrid and her judgement. The game promptly slapped me in the face for not thinking with my own head, as at the end of the quest, with only two members alive due to her foolishness, I thought there could be one more if it weren't for my lack or thinking.
This game is very well done, it poses you hard choiches and makes you live with the consequences. This is the first, and for now the only, game I played that's like this and, honestly, it reminded me I need to think before doing anything else.
I love this guy. He is the most interesting character in all of skyrim.
Love Cicero. He was always my favorite follower until serana was introduced. His dialogue was always fun. And him giggling and cracking jokes really broke up the monotony of dungeon crawling. He'd still be my main follower if serana didn't have a more useful skill set
I just take both of them with me, problem solved! At least until I need to backtrack through a doorway and neither of them want to move.
How dare you call the BEST character in skyrim stupid?! i mean, he is, but...
Lol
Wow last time I was this early Mundus was being created
Cicero isn't an idiot; he's a fool.
I actually don't think Cicero is an idiot because he was right about Astrid being unfit to lead the Dark Brotherhood due to the fact she had broken all five tenets of the Dark Brotherhood.
He might be an idiot but the spirit of Lucien Lachance had to make a remark about Sithis' disapproval of having him killed and even the Night Mother herself felt sorry for him not being anointed as listener.
you know about him traveling pretty obviously ? Well remember he is an assassin and if you try to ge thim arrested, he kills the guard that tried to arrest him and the couple running the farm. I think Cicero can handle himself perfectly fine
Here the funny part, if anyone attacks the night mother Cicero can kill the people who wish to harm he night mother without breaking any rules
Problem is Cicero is not an idiot at all considering he is along with you (depending of your choices) the actual only true member of the Dark Brotherhood. Others are quite bunch of murderers leads by an opportunist murderer. He is true one, even not murdering by being the keeper he respects all tenets (except one I come in it later) when Astrid broke all of them. He litteraly saved the Brotherhood by keeping safe night mother making her able to choose you as Listener.
Also if you summon the Spectral Ghost of Lucien Lachance during the quest given by Astrid to murder Cicero, Lucien will say that he is agree to kill him if you wish but feeling the void, Sithis himself, seems to not wish it at all.
Remember that we talk about Lucien who ordered you in Oblivion to kill all your teammates not regarding if they were loyal or not just to find one snake who actually wasn't even inside the sanctuary. And here he is the first saying it is not a good idea at all.
Even more, (and here we finally come back in the tenets break) Cicero actually just broke one tenets by attempting to murder a sister and even claiming that he would do it again. Punishment for this should be the Wrath of Sithis and instead of that Sithis actually don't want him dead or even punished.
That saying long on Cicero importance and also saying long about how Astrid is disregard to being a Brotherhood sister by the Void itself.
The Adoring Fan honestly tripped ALL of my alarm bells the first time I beat the arena. XD
I let him follow and was honestly ready to turn and shoot him at any second for the first few ingame days of playing with him.
It isn’t that he was inspired by the jester he was obsessed, he studied the jesters every movement and his personality He BECAME the jester mentally he was driven insane by the jester took his clothes and everything
He’s a broken man. Literally the joker of The elder scrolls.
His humanity was slowly taken away from being an assassin and then his sanity was stricken from him in a cruel joke as he slays his last target. Being possessed by his obsession of the joker His mentality is now limited to that of protect the night mother, listen to the listener, murder and make dark jokes. He isn’t an idiot by his intelligence but by his minds limitations of mental illness
I regret killing Cicero in my one playthrough of Skyrim.
He's one of the few people who's NOT a complete asshat.
My first playthrough I killed him with no remorse and hated his guts. My next few playthoughs.... I always make sure to spare him after realizing that he was right all along about Astrid and funny enough... became my favorite follower.
I always found it telling how the night mother is like yeah no I ain't giving this guy any power or prestigie xD. He oiled you and everything!
But let's be clear, Cicero is way smarter and likeable than Delphine, enough smarter to convince you to let him leave, giving you more options while Delphine's like "paTHRUNaxx bad, kILL Bad drAGon".
The funny thing is Cicero is the sane one. He is 100% right about Astrid because not only does she break all 5 tenants but betrays you later on and gets pretty much everyone killed including herself. Cicero was just trying to get rid of a poor leader that was running things into the ground. So the only real idiot is Astrid while Cicero was the smart and capable one. He isn't as crazy as everyone thinks and it is likely all an act.
Maybe the reason he never hid the Night Mother's coffin in plain sight was a way to possibly bait patrols or disgusted onlookers into a fight. To give him an opportunity to kill again, without directly disobeying the tenants by passing it off as "self defense" or the like. It would also explain the persona he adopted after his last kill. Maybe being what could be considered as an annoying jester might also spark ire from an irritated sellsword/adventurer.
My question when I first saw Cisero
“No guards saw you? Your entire trip?”
If you try to get him arrested he kills the guards and the couple on the farm then burns said farm to the ground, yeah I think he can handle himself just fine
@@breadgod2895 well when ur an essential NPC that helps 😂😂😂
I do not think idiot is the right word to summarize CIcero', I think "mad" is a better fit. Surely he is very weird and clearly a psycopath, but he was always faithful to his purpose (serving the night mother) which has lead the the Dark Brotherhood to be revived, also, he remained alive whereas all his comrades was slain and he was carrying the Night Mother's coffing the whole time, which surely prevented him of being anything but discreet. If anything he is a genious because all of his actions led to the revival of the Brothehood, him keeping his position as the keeper (if the Dragonborn lets him live), finding a new listener (which is something he so very much desires, even voices it), and "cleansing" the last sanctuary (Astrid dies in the end) so the Brotherhood could start anew, and with the "old ways" embedded on their etiquette.
Cicero too!?
He's not even dumb just insane and it was the Night Mother that made him insane in the first place, so it ain't even his fault.
It wasn't really the night mother's fault, he watched his whole family the dark brotherhood die in front of him
flew over my head, why is he an idiot? because he's mad?
Why is Cicero and idiot? well he has been taking care of a corpse for a long time and cleaning it and also talking to it and being alone, that's more then enough to make him an idiot and turn crazy.
Cicero is the epitome of the term "Method to the madness" or maybe even a "Madness to the method".
Dude the night mother should have made him listener, I mean he was literally the only loyal Dark Brotherhood left. If she had done this, most likely he would have never went crazy and everything in the dark brotherhood story would have played-out with a sane Cicero at the helm. Besides Astrid and her husband, everyone seemed to be on board with going back to the old ways. He could have easily convinced them and done so with a more calculating mind. Not have jumped Astrid immediately. Especially after she betrays them, he would have sealed the deal, Can you just imagine meeting this guy as a sane listener? But of course Bethesda had to have the Dragonborn be the listener because video game reasons I guess lol
ah yes the Dark Brotherhood.....if Bethesda could actually tell a story this could have been great as it is though its a half thought. The listener never took contracts either they were upper management, that is, they passed on the contracts given to them by the Night Mother to the other members of the sanctuary. This story could have been slightly better if you had to actually rebuild the Dark Brotherhood after its destruction by recruiting new members up to 4 new leaders (cant remember what they were called) so now you have the 4 fingers and the thumb (thanks Lucian) and then you recruit new members for your sanctuary with Nazim's and Babett's help up to x members (i like 5 for this), then randomly while you are out and about the night mother tells you about a contract and you go back to tell Nazim and/or Babett and they tell the "lackeys" (up to the number of "lackeys" you have at a time)
if any modders want to tackle this please please do
I think what broken Cicero even more is that he actually DID kill on occasion, violating the code he so desperately clung to. If you turn the guards against him after his wagon broke, he will still make it to the dawnstar and falkwreath sanctuaries, by killing the guard and farmers that stooped him.
I find it interesting how if you summon sithis, he doesn't think Cicero should die.
And are we absolutely sure that Jester Cicero killed wasn’t Sheogorath in disguise?
Reading his journals always have me a real Sheogorath vibe, it just felt like his MO.
Cicero is my top 3 favorite madman in TES lore.
Sheogorath of TES IV being the first.
And Sheogorath The Champion of Cyrodiil being the second.
And personally I wouldn't call him an "IDIOT", he's just a pure madman. But, all you have goverd about him is true facts, so, fair point.
Next video: "why you shouldn't be the dragonborn"
I would actually argue, that going around as a lone jester carting a corpse, is actually quite a genius way to avoid trouble
Bandits aren't gonna bother him, cuz he doesn't have anything, clearly, unless they wanna steal a corpse, and any that try to just kill him, would find him a very skilled fighter and quickly think better of it.
Sure most people he meet aren't gonna like him, but he doesn't need them to. He has money, so he can pay for inns and food, and few places will turn away a paying customer because they're a bit weird.
And he could easilly get quite a bit of sympathy from most if he needed help, and played up a story of 'on my way to bury my mother at x spot that she really loved'
I wonder what Sheogorath would have to say about Cicero if you were to ask him about the assassin.
There's a difference between idiocy and madness and Cicero clearly is much more the latter of the two. While Astrid ends up violating every single tenant of the Brotherhood and ignoring century's worth of precedent effectively turning the Brotherhood into nothing more than a two-bit imitation of what it once was, Cicero sees the wisdom in the old ways that kept the Brotherhood going for so long and fully upholds all the tenants. There's a reason those tenants stayed around for so long and Astrid showed tremendous hubris in ignoring them and substituting her own judgement. If you have the spectral assassin with you when you go to confront Cicero in Dawnstar he makes it very clear that Sithis does not want Cicero killed. Ultimately Astrid faces the wrath of Sithis but Sithis is firmly on Cicero's side.
Your videos are so freaking awesome, the sound quality is outrageous! Congratulations.
😱 Cicero’s not an idiot! He’s a respectable Keeper!
Cicero was the most sane person in the Falkreath sanctuary. Astrid was a fool for breaking all the tenets and abandoned the traditions of the Brotherhood.
Cicero was rewarded for his faith by Louis Lachance suggesting sparing him if summoned at Dawnstar sanctuary. He attacked Astrid for her vanity and blasphemy of the nightmother. It all worked out in the end.
Perhaps he sees five steps ahead and acts like madman to cover his genius.
Being dressed as a jester with a coffin and mannerism are blatant and stupid.
Thats why I like him
Same
To talk about the dark brotherhood's most dangerous assasin so openly...my oh my. I'm calling it now. Avarti didnt hang himself!
No one is safe from Avarti
No. He is not. When the ghost of Lucian letchate says the dread father does not want this. Then Cicero is not a idiot but the only true remaining dark brotherhood memeber
Member not memeber 😅
@@googletristinthefoxngamer4709 bruh...
@@googletristinthefoxngamer4709 no it's Memrember
If I made this video I wouldn’t sleep easy ever again
Always liked the Morag Tong more than the Dark Brotherhood. Some of the quests in Oblivion Dark Brotherhood questline were legendary, but I never felt the same way about Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood, so for years now every playthrough, even where I start out planning on joining I end up killing them. Let Cicero hang around with the Night Mother's corpse in whatever Sanctuary he wants.
still is much better than Astrid, who abandoned the 5 tenets claiming her way is better, when the tenets kept the brotherhood alive for centuries
The jester he killed just happened to have the same color scheme as the dark brotherhood? That part never made sense to me.
Cicero possibly travelled like that to attract attention because he enjoys killing and if someone is attacking the Night Mother's coffin he has to defend it which is a loophole he can use to kill
A video which is so unneeded and needed at the same time......
Next video: why is the Dragonborn an idiot
U can say everyone is an idiot but to attack Cicero and call him an idiot...expect your letter of “we know” in a few days buddy.
Poor, poor, cicero...
He's an amazing follower with some...interesting dialogue....to say the least......
... You say that like guards or bandits could actually defeat Cicero.
If you paid attention to the journals and the game itself, you'd know he was really amazing at his job. He was and is one of the best assassins who ever lived.
Even in madness, he was an exceptionally skilled fighter, considering he managed to attack and wound a master assassin in the very heart of their hideout, in the presence of several other master assassins and fairly effortlessly escape, then went toe to toe with a rampaging werewolf, wound him and get away.
He faced the Listener and put up a pretty damn good fight with heavy bloodloss and (what sounded like) half his guts hanging out.
He doesn't really need to worry about a couple of meager patrols in a kingdom in the middle of a taxing civil war.
Ya your back we missed you
You either love or hate Cicero there is no in-between
We need "Jarl Siddgier is stupid"
and after reading his journals i always spared him as i wanted to give him his family back i cared not for the way the skyrim brotherhood was and wanted a return to the true way
Is he???, or is he the only ACTUAL member of the Dark Brotherhood, upholding their unholy matron and tenets, that everyone decided to just break and cast aside because one bad leader said so, a bad leader who then almost brought the destruction to the Skyrim chapter. Cicero was just serving Sithis.
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What about the farmer that calls the guards on him if you don't help him fix the wagon, he killed those people.
Let's not forget possible necrophiliac...
So he's not stupid, just crazy.
His most idiocy is that He joined the Brotherhood in the first place.
I'd be worried what he does with the corpse.