Just to clear things up, I added a TLDR in the description. Apologies if the audio is a little scuffed on this one as I missed a weird glitch in the first part and well.. the second part had the torrential downpour. Still, please let me know of your experiences with this in the comments, and I will be continuing to look into this issue and sending BSG information as I collect it. As always, thank you for watching!
Also correct me if i am wrong. But this patch/update i believe they said they actively were optimizing/doing stuff to improve the memeory leak issues. Meaning a few wipes ago it would even be worse.
Finally some one talking about this problem! I have been monitoring this issues my self and noticed similar results but that when you activated ram cleaner on middle of the raid was wild! this only confirmed that the Tarkov really need seriously more optimization and polish!
memory goes from 12 to the full 32gb during raid, clear memory by opening/closing the menu. once this memory builds up a second time it will crash the game(bonus points if it happens 5 minutes left in the raid timer cause the game wont let you back in within that time frame)
Thank you for watching- I really appreciate having you all around. I'll be continuing to dive into this and other topics for the foreseeable future, so stay tuned :)
Great find! I really wonder how would the chart look like when you fully relog the game from inside of the raid and also, how would the chart look like for the full raid duration. ps. nikita will say we will we will we we and nothing will change. good luck!
It does that gradual buildup over the course of the raid and clears *mostly* after you leave a raid. I've had situations due to the stellar server setup where I've had to fully relog, and the buildup did actually transfer as far as I saw (but I scrapped any data that had that happen to keep it as consistent as possible). P.S. SKRA Army Represent 🤘
Such an amazing video. Thank you for teaching us about this topic, since a lot of people don't understand how this works and what may be causing them issues
You are doing gods work comrade! o7 I seem to recall a TarkovTV podcast where Nikita was talking about the auto ram cleaner feature that was coming, or maybe that it was bugged cause stutters when it was happening. Anyways, my memory says that he mentioned it going into effect when you access your inventory. IE, press tab. Maybe something to look into next time ur afk waiting for the rain to pass :P
That might be part of the reason why there's that initial stutter on inventory open... good memory! I'll be looking into that too as it seems this video has sparked a lot ofpeople to check in on it for themselves. Thanks again for the info :)
The bad coding practices BSG can do never cease to amaze me. It's like they just hired a bunch of people that only did an online c# beginners course seeing how they were unable to understand how easy it is to manage memory especially in c#.
@@klemintime1452I would often have stutters and straight up long pauses on 16gb ram, gtx 1080 card, going to 32gb helped the stutters but I still get frame drops and high ram usage
One problem for me is also that Tarkov seems to load just much more data than it needs. It fills up my 12GB of VRAM immediately, no matter what I load into, although I have almost zero spillover into system memory. Changing settings and the like doesn't even change anything about the VRAM usage, even though you would expect it to go down significantly when you go from max settings to minimum.
I am having the same situation, my machine is by no means the best but I have a gtx 1080 and xeon e3 cpu and the game never loads vram more than 50% or cpu 50% no matter what settings I check and just dumps everything to ram. I had 16gb ram and had constant crashes, updated to 32 and the game uses 24-28 constantly, at least the crashes are gone but yeah it always just bottlenecks on ram with is so weird
@@rodiculous9464 also got an older Xeon e3. Right now the game actually runs much better for me. I didn't change much but enabled the RAM clearing and mip streaming(?) features. Still only 16GB system RAM. Idk what they changed but it's definitely better now. Also met far fewer cheaters recently but that's besides the point.
How wild, I was just doing research on my ram usage like 20 min ago on Streets, then I see this video while trying to look up my issue! Very well detailed! Thanks for putting all the time in. I had 100fps at all times on Streets last week, then Tuesday, Im sitting at around 50-60fps. I've been doing research on why since then and todays journey brought me to ram. I notice that Streets uses damn near all of my ram which is 32GB. I ended up downloading a ram cleaner program that clears that standby ram you were talking about every 5 minutes. Didn't help my frames but maybe it'll be useful overall.
The biggest hog on steets FPS is all the AI/players… At the start of the raid - FPS is 100+, and end of raid (like last 10 mins) it’s good.. as this is when all AI/ players are loading in at the start and then dead at the end and extracted at the end of the raid.. Run offline with bots disabled and you’ll see how much better it runs…
i had the same issue with "Halved FPS", the solution for my problem was turning Nvidia Reflex "Off". I no longer had FPS issues and run ~100 fps again, so maybe you could try this.
Another issue that people are just calling "memory leak" is the recent bug where after 3-4 raids you find yourself with halved FPS, people say it's due to an Nvidia Reflex bug but Reflex only makes it worse, the problem persists with Reflex off. You can also see errors being spammed in console when it happens. Basically any issue that appears after 3-4 raids is a "memory leak" for the Tarkov's community
i had this issue when i had the Nvidia Reflex "On", but after i turned it "Off", i no longer had the halved FPS issue. So maybe its PC exclusive, but it definitely helped me to keep it "Off"
@@jordanfetch4191 you don't get the halved fps anymore but you still get worse performance and the error spam in console, that's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
@@OmniXen26 I don't deny the fact that there are console errors, but I can play at full FPS without Reflex on. That's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
Would be interesting to see if the errors tell us anything, but I don't have the knowledge/patience to find out, but I'll try turning it off since I've always had it on due to having a slower rig
0:56 You aren't close to VRAM spillover, you are already past it. As the GPU gets close to it's VRAM capacity it will start culling memory, getting rid of what it doesn't need right now and send stuff to the RAM, you won't really see the full 8gb used since the GPU drivers will do everything they can to avoid it.
True, you're right. Its a mix of VRAM spillover when I am in raid and the memory leak, since the behavior I discuss in the video occurs even when that VRAM limit is not close to being hit (but obviously getting close will drastically affect consumption, as seen in my data).
@@klemintime1452 yeah, I was just mentioning since getting close to full VRAM already affects performence, even if you have some left. Good video in any case. Tarkov is in a bad situation where they started to make the game with little experience and now the bad code is too time consuming to rewrite, so all they can do is treat the symptoms.
Thanks for this! I appreciate your communication style as well. I notice that my game damn near has a heart attack when I hit escape, I'm sat there for several seconds waiting to get back to the game. It was nice to get some understanding on what may actually be going on. Looks like I may need more than 16g to play these larger maps. I've had more problems with updated Shoreline than I used to as well.
My pleasure! But yeah, slowly but surely 32 GB is starting to become the sweet spot *especially* if you want to have other apps open while gaming. Tarkov is definitely NOT and exception to this and definitely needs that additional RAM to run smoothly.
@@klemintime1452 I'm behind the times in this regard, and when I play with friends they practically demand that I stream so they can keep track of me, so that's more motivation to up the ram. Cheers again :)
I saw an old guide years ago saying to use john koshy's ram cleaner and it clears the working set and cache, not sure if thats the in use ram like you were saying but it does clear out a few gigs of ram when it gets to super high use but i get a massive stutter and frame drop then the ram use slowly creeps up again. If the ram cleaner ingame is also the same way then i can see why they wouldnt want it to randomly kick on in raid but at the same time if its only working in the menu it should communicate that.
If you want to know what the 'auto ram cleaner' does deep down inside, you can read the Unity (Tarkov is on Unity, right?) documentation about the Garbage Collector. Specifically I suspect this setting simply enables 'Incremental GC'. These two modes basically offer a tradeoff between doing smaller garbage collection tasks more frequently (which may slow things down) or waiting and do them all at once (which will cause stutters). The GC works (kinda) by looking at each reference to every object the game stores in memory and trying to determine which objects don't need to be around any more. That can be a computationally expensive task when the Streets lobby has six chads simultaneously mag dumping thousands of bullets into RAM. It's also worth noting that the Unity docs state that the incremental GC takes advantage of any idle time created by vsync. So there's probably a complex relationship between memory, overall framerate, and on/off combos of vsync + Auto RAM Cleaner. I suppose there can also be a performance increase of having incremental GC if that helps keep the game's memory more traversable - you imagine each time the game has to 'find' some object (like did this bullet his this player or whatever) there's some tree structure of memory that it has to go through each item until it finds what it needs. When a game gets progressively slower over time, to me that's a byproduct of that tree getting too big or too deep. The GC might help trim it down and boost framerates back up.
Very good call- I have been digging into that recently and was reading up on it to see if I should make a video on it or not. I'm still debating it as I don't want to say I know how exactly the game is coded but yknow, its really interesting :)
@@klemintime1452another thing to investigate is that tarkov seems to load other player’s entire inventory when in raid. Which makes sense for some, on older rigs, who could almost ‘sense’ a PMC because of sudden frame drops etc… which was likely due to some kind of overload.
@@AlanCMcLaughlinThis legit happens to me, the quick hang for maybe 750ms when a PMC or SCAV player gets too close. I am about to upgrade my painfully old rig from a 6GB 1060 TI and an ancient 4790K I7 (fuckin .. 11 years old) with 16gb of DDR3 RAM and no SSD.
Maybe they dont have memory cleaner running properly in game because of frametime spikes or something? Because at least bringing up the menu is giga laggy and freezes.
Correct- but it might actually be on purpose. The A.R.C only runs when you hit escape (at least, as far as I could observe) but it still decreases overall RAM consumption by a couple GBs. Still worth it, but it doesn't do much automatically to try and avoid making more stutters when you're actually in game (as a stutter occurs when purging memory).
@@vgamedude12 ONLY the In-Game Menu as far as I can tell. No other thing (looting bodies / containers or opening inventory) can get it to proc. I've tried a bunch of ways and I just cannot get it to do anything then. There may be some passive, small cleaning happening here and there with the most recent behavior I've noticed with 0.13.5.1, but I think they had to take some of that back with the rollback, as it was still causing stutters (that's just my theory though, don't take that part as utter fact).
Man this is trippy because for the first like 2-3 years I played tarkov I had a shitty computer, and I when I would feel laggier than usual I used to hit esc, it would stutter, then back out. I would repeat this until I could hit esc twice and it opened and closed quickly with no stutter.(I would have to do it about 3 times) After my game always felt better. Now I have a good pc and the menu still stutters, but it makes me think that it has always done this, and you are the first to notice.
Thank you for talking about this. I'm having similar issues with 32gb of 3600 ram, a 3080Ti & a 5 ghz OC on 9900K. Has been doing my head in trying to see wtf is going on!
Very interesting video! I was actually planning on doing this test myself but found your video first. I hope BSG watch this video and work on this issue. Im surprised this issue is still in the game, it's been a thing for years and is still not getting fixed...
About the drop when you opened the menu, maybe they programmed to be like this. Did you feel the game froze for a second or two when you opened the menu? For example, dumping memory is one of the most common reason for stutters. You do not want stutter while you are moving and shooting. This stutter is caused by something we call Garbage Collector (GC) in a very important moment. The GC has to "freeze" the process so it can access the memory and clean whatever it's not being used anymore. Remember a few wipes ago where the game just went crazy with the stutters whenever you shoot? That's why. It is just the way C# and Unity works (got o unity docs, Manual/performance-garbage-collector.html) Unity has some tools and techniques so you can have more control over GC, so maybe, just maybe, they decided to trigger GC when you open a menu (?), since if you are in a menu, nothing critical will happen if you have stutters.
Thats a smart design choice- but I still have to do some more testing to see if this actually activates correctly. Secondarily, I found another really weird behavior regarding memory that I will hopefully have a video up on in the next couple days so keep an eye out for that too.
They used to clean GC whenever u opened inventory/looted, lagspikes were crazy when u had to use something from the inventory in the middle of a fight. Like 5 wipes ago.
Can you talk about how Tarkov ruins your mic when on discord communicating? Alot of the times for me when i play tarkov i cant speak through my mic because its almost as if tarkovs disables it. Even worse with wireless headsets since you have to restart your pc to fix it.
That sounds like a permissions issue for your PC- either discord or Tarkov is taking control of the device. I'd see if you could maybe run the programs in admin mode or look up some guides on how to stop microphone/speaker exclusivity for an application.
@@klemintime1452 Thats the thing it only happens with Tarkov and Tarkov only. It also hits at random times so 2 months before it works fine and then another day it’s fidgety. There’s barley any solutions to fix it.
Kinda nice to see someone talking about these issue from a scientific/educated perspective rather than a pissy/complainer perspective. If you see this comment (hopefully), do you have any thoughts on the amount of VRAM the game uses? Because it seems to use a /lot/ for the visuals it provides and I could never get my head around the fact it somehow doesn't feel right.
My Computer will sometimes crash like shut off when I am loading into a raid. This only happens to me in this game. Other games I have no issues playing even with 10-12 hours non stop. Do you know a fix to this?
Game was clearing ram regulary before but it caused sttuters, Ram cleaning only in menu is intendet behaviour. I remember Nikita was talking about it in some podcast.
I set my PC to use 35gb Virtual memory. *I am new to Tarkov, i7-8700k and 3060ti at 2k with 32gb system memory. Playing streets worked fine with my first game, when I played streets for a second time without a reboot, using GPU-z to monitor my system memory. I found that I was going over my 32gb of system memory and the game would crash every second game on streets. I bought a cheap 128gb SSD and use it only for virtual memory. I set the memory at 35gb (I just wanted more VM than my system memory). My game no longer has crashes and even looking around in game is smoother.
that's a nice discover there. i watched another video long time ago showing the same thing sitting on customs and eating ram. bsg should give eod players at least free 2 sticks of 8GB ram included in the bundle.
ive used auto ram cleaner every wipe until this wipe, trying to play streets with it was impossible, i just dont use it and restart my game if it starts feeling slow
great effort with the video. Before I got my upgrades to my PC I would run into this problem with my 3070. mow my PC is a bit overkill with the 4090 and 64gb's of DDR5 ram. but I feel even with what I have now its best to keep things as clear as you can. anything to help with FPS
Yep ram cleaner ingame option only run when u go to main menu its been like that for fiew wipes where ppl say "its useless not working option" ive been doing it every fiew min ingame this wipe it started to crash me often when doing it tho
Someone made a video on this a while ago I remember, their solution was to enable auto ram cleaner while out of raid, then disable before going back in. Curios to see what you come up with here
Love your channel! If I have a 12600KF, AMD 6800, and 16gb of DDR4-3000, would it be worth the investment to upgrade to 32GB? If so, should I just grab another 16GB of 3000, or go with a 32GB set of something faster? I typically have Discord open and am streaming with buddies, if that helps determine it. Thanks!
I have a laptop with a Ryzen 9 7940HS and RTX 4070 with 16GB of 4800MHz DDR5 ram. I upgraded to 32GB and found that on average my fps by about 15%. Also beforehand I had to turn of discord and browsers to play with a stable FPS without stuttering. Now I can keep basically anything open without suffering from these issues.
I am going to add this since I've been playing since Ram Cleaner was implemented. I would be cautious of using it because Deadly Slob back in the day had his ram fail which he believes was linked to activating this setting. I've also had a set of my ram fail shortly after enabling this setting back when it was first implemented. This was many moons ago and they may have fixed whatever was causing this, but considering the results in this video, clearly it's not working correctly so I personally would rather just restart my game every couple of raids rather than potentially having it break something (atleast until BSG have made it work correctly). Again, it may not be an issue now but I'd rather warn people so they can make a decision. Also if anyone has used it for multiple RECENT wipes could they say since I am personally curious if they have fixed this issue (not curious enough to risk another set of ram though).
I have been playing since patch 12.11 and I’ve always had the ram cleaner option enabled. I haven’t had any computer/hardware issues thus far nor have I heard of anyone else having their ram “fail”. It’s always better to be safe than sorry though so I don’t blame you for not having it enabled if you genuinely think it could be harmful to your hardware
deadly slob is a fkn idiot and has no idea what he is talking about - dont even think he passed the 8th grade he was too busy playin zelda and eating cheesy poofs
This is probably a stupid comment as you look far more clued up on software than myself, but is your graph not showing system ram and vram allocation stats rather than usage? Ive been trying to set up an overlay myself and if im reading it correct im finding a massive difference between allocated vs actual usage. For instance on my setup loading into woods im allocating 14gb vram and using around 10gb for about the first minute in raid and then quickly dropping to 5gb for the remainder. System ram also allocating around 14gb however never going above 5gb on usage. Every chance im reading it wrong however.
I'm finding that 2nd or 3rd consecutive online raids drop from (offline) 80-120 fps to (online) 40-60 fps, on the same map, with ram cleaner, with purging standby (cached) ram. Memory (ram, vram) usage and temperature remain similar enough, so I have no idea what is causing this.
My game crashes a ton even with a 3090 and 32 gigs of ram. I've always figured it was an outdated CPU or MOBO issue but come to think of it I'm not sure I've ever crashed in raids where I change a keybind or edit my graphics. I'll try to be in that menu more often and see if it helps
Also the ram cleaner has always been bugged(it worked for 1st week of this wipe before technical update) the ram cleaner only cleans when you hit main menu or turn it on and save the hit menu screen the system memory set gets cleared. It has been like this. I use another program to just have this mem clear on hotkey. But for a bit i was turning this setting on and hitting main menu and turning it back off between every raid to minimize issues and it worked but also sucked to do
And i need this be very clear, This wipe. They did some memory optmization/whatever trying to reduce this issue. Meaning that if this was tested 3-5 wipes ago the results would be even more serve.
RAM Cleaner works this wipe for me. It never did anything before this wipe, so streets was unplayable for me. I still have to restart the game every few raids as my game gets capped at 60FPS for some unknown reason.
The majority of my performance issues came from the nvidia reflex setting. Putting that to off made me no linger having to restart my game every couple raida.
Very nice and thorough test. Although I wish you would have logged the FPS as well, as in my opinion that is what is actually noticeable without the OSD. If the game uses all the memory, that's not really a problem as long as the system remains responsive, but this is obviously not the case clearly 😂 In my own experience, the FPS decreases significantly after a number of raids, typically becoming unplayable after about 10 raids without restarting the game. Let's stay the first raid on woods I have 150 FPS average. Regardless of the map, after a few raids, the FPS and frametime will be so inconsistent that it is disturbing to play. I've had times where the FPS comes down to under 45! From 150 to 45 in let's say 10 raids. Restarting the game fixes this, but that is hilariously stupid. I understand that this may be a very intricate and complex issue, and this so-called memory leak may only be a part of the problem. Thanks for taking the time to diagnose and hypothesize though, not many bother. ❤
I can't even play Streets, 10-15 minutes into raid it blue screens or force locks my computer on an artifact screen until I restart. Every other map is fine for me, its frustrating. 3090, I9-12900k and 32gb of ddr5 6400mhz ram. I hate every moment of this and wish it would be fixed.
For me it gets disconnected when i load raid 8/10 times in LIGHTHOUSE, other maps are fine. It shows red network sign when it does that but never does in any other maps, very wierd. This might be linked with memory leak and network sync issue or something, no idea. But they need to fix this given the game has been in BETA for so long.
hey man great vid but i see your gpu hits about 80-100% usage and cpu 40% useage i cant get my cpu to use more then 20% and my gpu not more then 40% i have a ryzen9 5700x and 4060ti 16gb and 32gb 3200mhz ram and dont have a clue why i cant get them to work more then 50%
Sorry for the late reply, but you almost certainly have a CPU bottleneck, but only with one or two *threads* of it. I might make a video soon discussing all the ways you can identify this (though I have some older ones) so stay tuned for that :)
I have 32gb of ram and 10gb vram so I dont really see an issue. I also only play on medium textures. The bigger problem have been these random packet spikes lately. It happens with all of my friends so I know its not a internet issue as we all have fiber.
Idk what it is but it was really bad this wipe I was getting great frames before and didn’t have any massive drops but now it’s impossible to play a game without massive drops
Playing Lighthouse for me was fine from when I started playing a year ago up to yesterday when the new stupid update kicked in. Now it stutters constantly and if I engage PMCs, my screen freezes several times and then I get killed without any means to defend myself. By the way, 12700k, 16GB 3200mhz and 1080ti 11GB. Apart from Lighthouse (and ofc Streets, which is trash for everyone, or almost) the rest of the several maps run just fine still.
i have a bad pc, and this may be why when i press ESC to go to the settings, the game sometimes crashes... it just kick in and overloads tarkov and crashes...
Can you test to see if going into your inventory in game achieves the same ram cleaning effect as going into settings? For ages everyone has always said ram cleaner only takes effect when you hit tab, so the subsequent stutters don’t affect your normal gameplay.
I did try and get it to proc on other things (opening bodies, opening containers, even just opening inventory) to no avail. Its *only* with the menu open, likely to make sure you don't get as much stutter in the game. Also damn even the Geo Archon is struggling with performance tf
Did you get to test multiple raids of Streets? Just curious if that map specifically has some issues. Any tests for VRAM? Thanks for your video! Love the in-depth look, really well made.
In the online portion, yes- one of those tests is the one that you saw in that "opening menu" clip (though I don't record for testing in almost all cases- it was to use as background footage if needed)
The problem with pressing escape in raid is that whenever i do it on any map my game freezes for about 2 seconds. Whcich isnt a problem unless i panic hit it in a fight (has happened). When i do it on streets tge moment i press escape i my game freezes for about 5 seconds and i get connection lost every single time. So baisically on my keyboard escape is a disconect from streets shortcut
So not sure what happened but Ive been experiencing nasty stutters on Streets recently, Every 10 second or so the frames tank for a full 2 seconds or so. I have a 3080ti and Ryzen 9 5900x with 32g of RAM. Maybe CPU bound but this stuttering feels like something else entirely. Any ideas?
It worked, it definitely worked, doubled my fps from 40-45 with dips to 80 with dips to 65 on customs....but it only lasted 1 day. This game is never gonna be optimized only getting worse, gotta bite the bullet and throw 3k euros on a new pc...
Interesting - so basically no restarting required, just hit Esc from time to time. On a side note, this explains why the game shyts itself everytime one presses esc
Oh my God you just reminded me I didn't- I submitted a bug report for a different issue the day I was going to and I mistook it later for me doing it for this. Fuck. Sorry. Next time I test this (which, for all intents and purposes I will as I've done it twice now), I'll gather and submit that data. I don't want to submit now with this old stuff since they've done some patches to address it but when they address it more I'll gather it again and send it over. That's my fault there.
Just to clear things up, I added a TLDR in the description. Apologies if the audio is a little scuffed on this one as I missed a weird glitch in the first part and well.. the second part had the torrential downpour. Still, please let me know of your experiences with this in the comments, and I will be continuing to look into this issue and sending BSG information as I collect it. As always, thank you for watching!
Appreciate the tLDR!
Also correct me if i am wrong. But this patch/update i believe they said they actively were optimizing/doing stuff to improve the memeory leak issues. Meaning a few wipes ago it would even be worse.
@@paulronan6770 it was indeed way worse, generally speaking. But Streets on this wipe Is garbage.
Same specs as you apart from a better processor and an extra 32gb of ram and this game is running like absolute shite
What software do you use for the FPS overlay in the upper left hand corner
Finally some one talking about this problem! I have been monitoring this issues my self and noticed similar results but that when you activated ram cleaner on middle of the raid was wild! this only confirmed that the Tarkov really need seriously more optimization and polish!
You can hear me in the video when it happens pull my microphone boom arm closer and lean forward in shock lmao
Thanks!
Thank YOU! Really helps keep the machine running here :D
memory goes from 12 to the full 32gb during raid, clear memory by opening/closing the menu. once this memory builds up a second time it will crash the game(bonus points if it happens 5 minutes left in the raid timer cause the game wont let you back in within that time frame)
Love your videos man thank you for deep diving in to tarkovs weird world of fps and ram issues
Thank you for watching- I really appreciate having you all around. I'll be continuing to dive into this and other topics for the foreseeable future, so stay tuned :)
Great find! I really wonder how would the chart look like when you fully relog the game from inside of the raid and also, how would the chart look like for the full raid duration.
ps. nikita will say we will we will we we and nothing will change.
good luck!
It does that gradual buildup over the course of the raid and clears *mostly* after you leave a raid. I've had situations due to the stellar server setup where I've had to fully relog, and the buildup did actually transfer as far as I saw (but I scrapped any data that had that happen to keep it as consistent as possible).
P.S. SKRA Army Represent 🤘
Such an amazing video. Thank you for teaching us about this topic, since a lot of people don't understand how this works and what may be causing them issues
Thank YOU for watching- I really appreciate you guys trusting me with sorting all this stuff out. It honestly means the world.
You are doing gods work comrade! o7
I seem to recall a TarkovTV podcast where Nikita was talking about the auto ram cleaner feature that was coming, or maybe that it was bugged cause stutters when it was happening. Anyways, my memory says that he mentioned it going into effect when you access your inventory. IE, press tab. Maybe something to look into next time ur afk waiting for the rain to pass :P
That might be part of the reason why there's that initial stutter on inventory open... good memory! I'll be looking into that too as it seems this video has sparked a lot ofpeople to check in on it for themselves. Thanks again for the info :)
The bad coding practices BSG can do never cease to amaze me. It's like they just hired a bunch of people that only did an online c# beginners course seeing how they were unable to understand how easy it is to manage memory especially in c#.
@@klemintime1452I would often have stutters and straight up long pauses on 16gb ram, gtx 1080 card, going to 32gb helped the stutters but I still get frame drops and high ram usage
Great breakdown and actual info instead of the usual streamer bro-science. Kudos! :D
Exactly what I aim to do- no more "trust me bro" 👍
One problem for me is also that Tarkov seems to load just much more data than it needs. It fills up my 12GB of VRAM immediately, no matter what I load into, although I have almost zero spillover into system memory. Changing settings and the like doesn't even change anything about the VRAM usage, even though you would expect it to go down significantly when you go from max settings to minimum.
I am having the same situation, my machine is by no means the best but I have a gtx 1080 and xeon e3 cpu and the game never loads vram more than 50% or cpu 50% no matter what settings I check and just dumps everything to ram. I had 16gb ram and had constant crashes, updated to 32 and the game uses 24-28 constantly, at least the crashes are gone but yeah it always just bottlenecks on ram with is so weird
@@rodiculous9464 also got an older Xeon e3. Right now the game actually runs much better for me. I didn't change much but enabled the RAM clearing and mip streaming(?) features. Still only 16GB system RAM. Idk what they changed but it's definitely better now. Also met far fewer cheaters recently but that's besides the point.
That ingame thunder at 9:13 is perfectly timed
I thought it was common knowledge that opening the settings screen off-loaded RAM. Noticed this ages ago.
very well made and informative video. you are a chill dude and i dont know why i havent subscribed earlier :)
How wild, I was just doing research on my ram usage like 20 min ago on Streets, then I see this video while trying to look up my issue! Very well detailed! Thanks for putting all the time in. I had 100fps at all times on Streets last week, then Tuesday, Im sitting at around 50-60fps. I've been doing research on why since then and todays journey brought me to ram. I notice that Streets uses damn near all of my ram which is 32GB. I ended up downloading a ram cleaner program that clears that standby ram you were talking about every 5 minutes. Didn't help my frames but maybe it'll be useful overall.
The biggest hog on steets FPS is all the AI/players…
At the start of the raid - FPS is 100+, and end of raid (like last 10 mins) it’s good.. as this is when all AI/ players are loading in at the start and then dead at the end and extracted at the end of the raid..
Run offline with bots disabled and you’ll see how much better it runs…
i had the same issue with "Halved FPS", the solution for my problem was turning Nvidia Reflex "Off".
I no longer had FPS issues and run ~100 fps again, so maybe you could try this.
Another issue that people are just calling "memory leak" is the recent bug where after 3-4 raids you find yourself with halved FPS, people say it's due to an Nvidia Reflex bug but Reflex only makes it worse, the problem persists with Reflex off. You can also see errors being spammed in console when it happens.
Basically any issue that appears after 3-4 raids is a "memory leak" for the Tarkov's community
i had this issue when i had the Nvidia Reflex "On", but after i turned it "Off", i no longer had the halved FPS issue.
So maybe its PC exclusive, but it definitely helped me to keep it "Off"
@@jordanfetch4191 you don't get the halved fps anymore but you still get worse performance and the error spam in console, that's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
@@OmniXen26 I don't deny the fact that there are console errors, but I can play at full FPS without Reflex on.
That's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
Would be interesting to see if the errors tell us anything, but I don't have the knowledge/patience to find out, but I'll try turning it off since I've always had it on due to having a slower rig
Thanks, refreshing to see some research rather than the usual noise
Memory leaks, the thing every CompEng undergrad will produce in C once
0:56 You aren't close to VRAM spillover, you are already past it. As the GPU gets close to it's VRAM capacity it will start culling memory, getting rid of what it doesn't need right now and send stuff to the RAM, you won't really see the full 8gb used since the GPU drivers will do everything they can to avoid it.
True, you're right. Its a mix of VRAM spillover when I am in raid and the memory leak, since the behavior I discuss in the video occurs even when that VRAM limit is not close to being hit (but obviously getting close will drastically affect consumption, as seen in my data).
@@klemintime1452 yeah, I was just mentioning since getting close to full VRAM already affects performence, even if you have some left. Good video in any case.
Tarkov is in a bad situation where they started to make the game with little experience and now the bad code is too time consuming to rewrite, so all they can do is treat the symptoms.
always love stumbling across the intellectuals of tarkov, great vid dude 🤟
My pleasure man, thanks for being intellectual bros with me lol
I heard that turning RAM cleaner off then on in raid would fix stutters and “make it work”, but I never knew it was as simple as opening settings
Thanks for this! I appreciate your communication style as well.
I notice that my game damn near has a heart attack when I hit escape, I'm sat there for several seconds waiting to get back to the game. It was nice to get some understanding on what may actually be going on.
Looks like I may need more than 16g to play these larger maps. I've had more problems with updated Shoreline than I used to as well.
My pleasure! But yeah, slowly but surely 32 GB is starting to become the sweet spot *especially* if you want to have other apps open while gaming. Tarkov is definitely NOT and exception to this and definitely needs that additional RAM to run smoothly.
@@klemintime1452 I'm behind the times in this regard, and when I play with friends they practically demand that I stream so they can keep track of me, so that's more motivation to up the ram. Cheers again :)
Please keep uploading I don’t know shit about pcs but I play a lot of games on pc and tarkov never has seemed to run right
I saw an old guide years ago saying to use john koshy's ram cleaner and it clears the working set and cache, not sure if thats the in use ram like you were saying but it does clear out a few gigs of ram when it gets to super high use but i get a massive stutter and frame drop then the ram use slowly creeps up again. If the ram cleaner ingame is also the same way then i can see why they wouldnt want it to randomly kick on in raid but at the same time if its only working in the menu it should communicate that.
Love this deep dive stuff. Keep it up Klem
I have 16gbs ram and ram cleaner on. Whenever i go into menu it freezes and sometimes even gives server disconect .
If you want to know what the 'auto ram cleaner' does deep down inside, you can read the Unity (Tarkov is on Unity, right?) documentation about the Garbage Collector. Specifically I suspect this setting simply enables 'Incremental GC'.
These two modes basically offer a tradeoff between doing smaller garbage collection tasks more frequently (which may slow things down) or waiting and do them all at once (which will cause stutters). The GC works (kinda) by looking at each reference to every object the game stores in memory and trying to determine which objects don't need to be around any more. That can be a computationally expensive task when the Streets lobby has six chads simultaneously mag dumping thousands of bullets into RAM.
It's also worth noting that the Unity docs state that the incremental GC takes advantage of any idle time created by vsync. So there's probably a complex relationship between memory, overall framerate, and on/off combos of vsync + Auto RAM Cleaner.
I suppose there can also be a performance increase of having incremental GC if that helps keep the game's memory more traversable - you imagine each time the game has to 'find' some object (like did this bullet his this player or whatever) there's some tree structure of memory that it has to go through each item until it finds what it needs. When a game gets progressively slower over time, to me that's a byproduct of that tree getting too big or too deep. The GC might help trim it down and boost framerates back up.
Very good call- I have been digging into that recently and was reading up on it to see if I should make a video on it or not. I'm still debating it as I don't want to say I know how exactly the game is coded but yknow, its really interesting :)
@@klemintime1452another thing to investigate is that tarkov seems to load other player’s entire inventory when in raid. Which makes sense for some, on older rigs, who could almost ‘sense’ a PMC because of sudden frame drops etc… which was likely due to some kind of overload.
@@AlanCMcLaughlinThis legit happens to me, the quick hang for maybe 750ms when a PMC or SCAV player gets too close. I am about to upgrade my painfully old rig from a 6GB 1060 TI and an ancient 4790K I7 (fuckin .. 11 years old) with 16gb of DDR3 RAM and no SSD.
Great job man! Keep up the great work. Really appreciated this one.
Maybe they dont have memory cleaner running properly in game because of frametime spikes or something? Because at least bringing up the menu is giga laggy and freezes.
Correct- but it might actually be on purpose. The A.R.C only runs when you hit escape (at least, as far as I could observe) but it still decreases overall RAM consumption by a couple GBs. Still worth it, but it doesn't do much automatically to try and avoid making more stutters when you're actually in game (as a stutter occurs when purging memory).
@klemintime1452 have you checked yet to see if it runs when you use inventory with tab? Or is it only game menu?
@@vgamedude12 ONLY the In-Game Menu as far as I can tell. No other thing (looting bodies / containers or opening inventory) can get it to proc. I've tried a bunch of ways and I just cannot get it to do anything then.
There may be some passive, small cleaning happening here and there with the most recent behavior I've noticed with 0.13.5.1, but I think they had to take some of that back with the rollback, as it was still causing stutters (that's just my theory though, don't take that part as utter fact).
Holy hell, this helps a ton. Especially if you're like me, changing settings mid-raid and gathering completely incoherent results 😂
Glad it helped clear that up because I was the same way lol
I think this finally explains why my game freezes and disconnects me a lot of the time when I press escape in a raid
Great video, appreciate the research that went into it.
Man this is trippy because for the first like 2-3 years I played tarkov I had a shitty computer, and I when I would feel laggier than usual I used to hit esc, it would stutter, then back out. I would repeat this until I could hit esc twice and it opened and closed quickly with no stutter.(I would have to do it about 3 times) After my game always felt better. Now I have a good pc and the menu still stutters, but it makes me think that it has always done this, and you are the first to notice.
Thank you for talking about this. I'm having similar issues with 32gb of 3600 ram, a 3080Ti & a 5 ghz OC on 9900K. Has been doing my head in trying to see wtf is going on!
How fast does 32 GB go away? I have 16 and usually 1-3 raids go ok. Just wondering for my own purposes
Very interesting video! I was actually planning on doing this test myself but found your video first. I hope BSG watch this video and work on this issue. Im surprised this issue is still in the game, it's been a thing for years and is still not getting fixed...
hope the algorithm takes this video around to all other tarkov players good vid man!
This makes sense. "RAM cleaner only works when menu is open" is the most BSG bug possible.
Well you sure as shit wouldn't want it to start in the middle of a firefight 😂
I cant find any tutorial where and how to turn of that whole graph u have in game.
Its MSI Afterburner! I have a video on it on my channel :)
@@klemintime1452 I found it already, but thanks, I thought it was EFT setting or something like that, so thats why googling didint helped at first 😂
About the drop when you opened the menu, maybe they programmed to be like this. Did you feel the game froze for a second or two when you opened the menu?
For example, dumping memory is one of the most common reason for stutters. You do not want stutter while you are moving and shooting.
This stutter is caused by something we call Garbage Collector (GC) in a very important moment. The GC has to "freeze" the process so it can access the memory and clean whatever it's not being used anymore.
Remember a few wipes ago where the game just went crazy with the stutters whenever you shoot? That's why.
It is just the way C# and Unity works (got o unity docs, Manual/performance-garbage-collector.html)
Unity has some tools and techniques so you can have more control over GC, so maybe, just maybe, they decided to trigger GC when you open a menu (?), since if you are in a menu, nothing critical will happen if you have stutters.
Thats a smart design choice- but I still have to do some more testing to see if this actually activates correctly. Secondarily, I found another really weird behavior regarding memory that I will hopefully have a video up on in the next couple days so keep an eye out for that too.
They used to clean GC whenever u opened inventory/looted, lagspikes were crazy when u had to use something from the inventory in the middle of a fight. Like 5 wipes ago.
yep
It's insane how much VRAM Tarkov use. The graphics looks like a AAA game from 2016
To me this game looks absolutely incredible with high textures on 1440p. Certainly the most realistic looking game I ever played
@@filispin1can't even run the game well with high textures and 32gb of ram and a 3080 At 4k lol.
Thanks for taking the time to figure this shit out
Can you talk about how Tarkov ruins your mic when on discord communicating?
Alot of the times for me when i play tarkov i cant speak through my mic because its almost as if tarkovs disables it. Even worse with wireless headsets since you have to restart your pc to fix it.
That sounds like a permissions issue for your PC- either discord or Tarkov is taking control of the device. I'd see if you could maybe run the programs in admin mode or look up some guides on how to stop microphone/speaker exclusivity for an application.
@@klemintime1452 Thats the thing it only happens with Tarkov and Tarkov only. It also hits at random times so 2 months before it works fine and then another day it’s fidgety. There’s barley any solutions to fix it.
Thank you to all the effort and testing, it was a big work and we appreciate, sub and like to help.
Kinda nice to see someone talking about these issue from a scientific/educated perspective rather than a pissy/complainer perspective. If you see this comment (hopefully), do you have any thoughts on the amount of VRAM the game uses? Because it seems to use a /lot/ for the visuals it provides and I could never get my head around the fact it somehow doesn't feel right.
FYI - Gigabeef mentioned you and one of your videos on his scav talk podcast this week
My Computer will sometimes crash like shut off when I am loading into a raid. This only happens to me in this game. Other games I have no issues playing even with 10-12 hours non stop. Do you know a fix to this?
Game was clearing ram regulary before but it caused sttuters, Ram cleaning only in menu is intendet behaviour. I remember Nikita was talking about it in some podcast.
I set my PC to use 35gb Virtual memory. *I am new to Tarkov, i7-8700k and 3060ti at 2k with 32gb system memory. Playing streets worked fine with my first game, when I played streets for a second time without a reboot, using GPU-z to monitor my system memory. I found that I was going over my 32gb of system memory and the game would crash every second game on streets. I bought a cheap 128gb SSD and use it only for virtual memory. I set the memory at 35gb (I just wanted more VM than my system memory). My game no longer has crashes and even looking around in game is smoother.
Thank you so much for shining light at this, I hope they fix this
that's a nice discover there. i watched another video long time ago showing the same thing sitting on customs and eating ram. bsg should give eod players at least free 2 sticks of 8GB ram included in the bundle.
ive used auto ram cleaner every wipe until this wipe, trying to play streets with it was impossible, i just dont use it and restart my game if it starts feeling slow
great effort with the video. Before I got my upgrades to my PC I would run into this problem with my 3070. mow my PC is a bit overkill with the 4090 and 64gb's of DDR5 ram. but I feel even with what I have now its best to keep things as clear as you can. anything to help with FPS
Even though with specs like yourself are getting performance similar to mine. Its absolutely wild.
You shouldn't frickin need a McMonster machine to run the game well
so what is the conclusion
Yep ram cleaner ingame option only run when u go to main menu its been like that for fiew wipes where ppl say "its useless not working option" ive been doing it every fiew min ingame this wipe it started to crash me often when doing it tho
automatic ram cleaner option will cause massive writes to your swap file
Someone made a video on this a while ago I remember, their solution was to enable auto ram cleaner while out of raid, then disable before going back in. Curios to see what you come up with here
EmptyStandbyList is the only thing that has eleviated some of the issue
Koshy John's Memory Cleaner is still a must.
Love your channel! If I have a 12600KF, AMD 6800, and 16gb of DDR4-3000, would it be worth the investment to upgrade to 32GB? If so, should I just grab another 16GB of 3000, or go with a 32GB set of something faster? I typically have Discord open and am streaming with buddies, if that helps determine it. Thanks!
I have a laptop with a Ryzen 9 7940HS and RTX 4070 with 16GB of 4800MHz DDR5 ram. I upgraded to 32GB and found that on average my fps by about 15%. Also beforehand I had to turn of discord and browsers to play with a stable FPS without stuttering. Now I can keep basically anything open without suffering from these issues.
I am going to add this since I've been playing since Ram Cleaner was implemented. I would be cautious of using it because Deadly Slob back in the day had his ram fail which he believes was linked to activating this setting. I've also had a set of my ram fail shortly after enabling this setting back when it was first implemented. This was many moons ago and they may have fixed whatever was causing this, but considering the results in this video, clearly it's not working correctly so I personally would rather just restart my game every couple of raids rather than potentially having it break something (atleast until BSG have made it work correctly).
Again, it may not be an issue now but I'd rather warn people so they can make a decision. Also if anyone has used it for multiple RECENT wipes could they say since I am personally curious if they have fixed this issue (not curious enough to risk another set of ram though).
I have been playing since patch 12.11 and I’ve always had the ram cleaner option enabled. I haven’t had any computer/hardware issues thus far nor have I heard of anyone else having their ram “fail”. It’s always better to be safe than sorry though so I don’t blame you for not having it enabled if you genuinely think it could be harmful to your hardware
deadly slob is a fkn idiot and has no idea what he is talking about - dont even think he passed the 8th grade he was too busy playin zelda and eating cheesy poofs
This is probably a stupid comment as you look far more clued up on software than myself, but is your graph not showing system ram and vram allocation stats rather than usage?
Ive been trying to set up an overlay myself and if im reading it correct im finding a massive difference between allocated vs actual usage.
For instance on my setup loading into woods im allocating 14gb vram and using around 10gb for about the first minute in raid and then quickly dropping to 5gb for the remainder.
System ram also allocating around 14gb however never going above 5gb on usage.
Every chance im reading it wrong however.
someone suggested you can turn it on, while in a map, then turn it off again
you will get a short lag, but might be worth testing
I'm finding that 2nd or 3rd consecutive online raids drop from (offline) 80-120 fps to (online) 40-60 fps, on the same map, with ram cleaner, with purging standby (cached) ram.
Memory (ram, vram) usage and temperature remain similar enough, so I have no idea what is causing this.
My game crashes a ton even with a 3090 and 32 gigs of ram. I've always figured it was an outdated CPU or MOBO issue but come to think of it I'm not sure I've ever crashed in raids where I change a keybind or edit my graphics. I'll try to be in that menu more often and see if it helps
Also the ram cleaner has always been bugged(it worked for 1st week of this wipe before technical update) the ram cleaner only cleans when you hit main menu or turn it on and save the hit menu screen the system memory set gets cleared. It has been like this. I use another program to just have this mem clear on hotkey. But for a bit i was turning this setting on and hitting main menu and turning it back off between every raid to minimize issues and it worked but also sucked to do
Do we need to stay in menu while clearing ram or just trigger it with escape button and it will clear ram while playing?
And i need this be very clear, This wipe. They did some memory optmization/whatever trying to reduce this issue. Meaning that if this was tested 3-5 wipes ago the results would be even more serve.
RAM Cleaner works this wipe for me. It never did anything before this wipe, so streets was unplayable for me. I still have to restart the game every few raids as my game gets capped at 60FPS for some unknown reason.
The majority of my performance issues came from the nvidia reflex setting. Putting that to off made me no linger having to restart my game every couple raida.
same turning off nvidia reflex completely resolved the issue I was having. never have to restart anymore
Very nice and thorough test. Although I wish you would have logged the FPS as well, as in my opinion that is what is actually noticeable without the OSD. If the game uses all the memory, that's not really a problem as long as the system remains responsive, but this is obviously not the case clearly 😂
In my own experience, the FPS decreases significantly after a number of raids, typically becoming unplayable after about 10 raids without restarting the game. Let's stay the first raid on woods I have 150 FPS average. Regardless of the map, after a few raids, the FPS and frametime will be so inconsistent that it is disturbing to play. I've had times where the FPS comes down to under 45! From 150 to 45 in let's say 10 raids. Restarting the game fixes this, but that is hilariously stupid.
I understand that this may be a very intricate and complex issue, and this so-called memory leak may only be a part of the problem.
Thanks for taking the time to diagnose and hypothesize though, not many bother. ❤
Turn of Nvidia Reflex.
@@nikolaykertev2457 it is disabled Indeed
@@nikolaykertev2457 same here, reflex is disabled, but after a while the game runs like idk a non-running telephone
Great video and a great find. Did you report to bsg?
This is what 8 years of active development looks like folks, soak it all in
If only they could do that reduce ram usage thing in setting happen while you are playing the game! 🤦♂
That *does* call for more stutters in game though, its a really rough trade.
Nikita when somebody suggests an optimization update, instead of random gun #700000000
I've got a i7 9700k (4.9), RTX 2070 8gb and 32 Gb DDR4 ram (3200) and tarkov still struggles with this new patch! Hopefully this helps.
How do i get that statistics on top left corner, what program do i need?
As a SW Eng. a "RAM cleaner" is never a solution to memory leaks, it's fixing the memory leaks.
I can't even play Streets, 10-15 minutes into raid it blue screens or force locks my computer on an artifact screen until I restart. Every other map is fine for me, its frustrating. 3090, I9-12900k and 32gb of ddr5 6400mhz ram. I hate every moment of this and wish it would be fixed.
When i hit esc i have to wait about 30 seconds for my menu to load
For me it gets disconnected when i load raid 8/10 times in LIGHTHOUSE, other maps are fine. It shows red network sign when it does that but never does in any other maps, very wierd. This might be linked with memory leak and network sync issue or something, no idea. But they need to fix this given the game has been in BETA for so long.
hey man great vid but i see your gpu hits about 80-100% usage and cpu 40% useage i cant get my cpu to use more then 20% and my gpu not more then 40% i have a ryzen9 5700x and 4060ti 16gb and 32gb 3200mhz ram and dont have a clue why i cant get them to work more then 50%
Sorry for the late reply, but you almost certainly have a CPU bottleneck, but only with one or two *threads* of it. I might make a video soon discussing all the ways you can identify this (though I have some older ones) so stay tuned for that :)
I have 32gb of ram and 10gb vram so I dont really see an issue. I also only play on medium textures. The bigger problem have been these random packet spikes lately. It happens with all of my friends so I know its not a internet issue as we all have fiber.
Idk what it is but it was really bad this wipe I was getting great frames before and didn’t have any massive drops but now it’s impossible to play a game without massive drops
Try turning nvidian reflex off
So in theory we should run auto ram cleaner and enter the menu a few times during raid!?
Playing Lighthouse for me was fine from when I started playing a year ago up to yesterday when the new stupid update kicked in. Now it stutters constantly and if I engage PMCs, my screen freezes several times and then I get killed without any means to defend myself. By the way, 12700k, 16GB 3200mhz and 1080ti 11GB. Apart from Lighthouse (and ofc Streets, which is trash for everyone, or almost) the rest of the several maps run just fine still.
i have a bad pc, and this may be why when i press ESC to go to the settings, the game sometimes crashes... it just kick in and overloads tarkov and crashes...
Thank you for this
My pleasure friend :)
@@klemintime1452 i can now share this with my friends to show them how to fix it
Can you test to see if going into your inventory in game achieves the same ram cleaning effect as going into settings? For ages everyone has always said ram cleaner only takes effect when you hit tab, so the subsequent stutters don’t affect your normal gameplay.
I did try and get it to proc on other things (opening bodies, opening containers, even just opening inventory) to no avail. Its *only* with the menu open, likely to make sure you don't get as much stutter in the game.
Also damn even the Geo Archon is struggling with performance tf
Think results would change as you move through the map loading more textures ect.
Did you get to test multiple raids of Streets? Just curious if that map specifically has some issues. Any tests for VRAM? Thanks for your video! Love the in-depth look, really well made.
In the online portion, yes- one of those tests is the one that you saw in that "opening menu" clip (though I don't record for testing in almost all cases- it was to use as background footage if needed)
The problem with pressing escape in raid is that whenever i do it on any map my game freezes for about 2 seconds. Whcich isnt a problem unless i panic hit it in a fight (has happened). When i do it on streets tge moment i press escape i my game freezes for about 5 seconds and i get connection lost every single time. So baisically on my keyboard escape is a disconect from streets shortcut
yep same here - 6900x with 6900xt 16gb ddr5 4800MHz
So not sure what happened but Ive been experiencing nasty stutters on Streets recently, Every 10 second or so the frames tank for a full 2 seconds or so. I have a 3080ti and Ryzen 9 5900x with 32g of RAM. Maybe CPU bound but this stuttering feels like something else entirely. Any ideas?
Guys, any solution for shadow flickering in this wipe?
that is in your personal graphics settings not a tarkov issue
@@cinchmccoy Its not, even nikita confirmed that is unity issue. Unity 2022 fixed problem.
@@Fears-fl9vw well not sure why no one i play with has the issue and if ya knew the "solution" then why did ya ask
say what ya want but this is YOU issue lol
plenty of livestream footage on my channel with no flickering as well as lots of other creators out there not having the issue as well
what is the program called to show the ram and info on screen ?
It worked, it definitely worked, doubled my fps from 40-45 with dips to 80 with dips to 65 on customs....but it only lasted 1 day.
This game is never gonna be optimized only getting worse, gotta bite the bullet and throw 3k euros on a new pc...
fortunately the game crashes so often I don't have to remember to restart it myself
A big problem for me that when I scoping sniper my frame rate drop too much I dont know why and I use many time to slove but I can’t 😢
Interesting - so basically no restarting required, just hit Esc from time to time.
On a side note, this explains why the game shyts itself everytime one presses esc
I would assume you made this as a bug report, right? What did the Support team respond?
Oh my God you just reminded me I didn't- I submitted a bug report for a different issue the day I was going to and I mistook it later for me doing it for this. Fuck. Sorry.
Next time I test this (which, for all intents and purposes I will as I've done it twice now), I'll gather and submit that data. I don't want to submit now with this old stuff since they've done some patches to address it but when they address it more I'll gather it again and send it over. That's my fault there.
@@klemintime1452 You are doing God's work here. Thank you!
Thank you for your time with researching and testing all this. I'm 11months late to the video but, solid job all the same
Finally I found someone who "plays" this game like me: testing the heck out of it. Hello fellow Aspi XD