Just to clear things up, I added a TLDR in the description. Apologies if the audio is a little scuffed on this one as I missed a weird glitch in the first part and well.. the second part had the torrential downpour. Still, please let me know of your experiences with this in the comments, and I will be continuing to look into this issue and sending BSG information as I collect it. As always, thank you for watching!
Also correct me if i am wrong. But this patch/update i believe they said they actively were optimizing/doing stuff to improve the memeory leak issues. Meaning a few wipes ago it would even be worse.
Finally some one talking about this problem! I have been monitoring this issues my self and noticed similar results but that when you activated ram cleaner on middle of the raid was wild! this only confirmed that the Tarkov really need seriously more optimization and polish!
memory goes from 12 to the full 32gb during raid, clear memory by opening/closing the menu. once this memory builds up a second time it will crash the game(bonus points if it happens 5 minutes left in the raid timer cause the game wont let you back in within that time frame)
Thank you for watching- I really appreciate having you all around. I'll be continuing to dive into this and other topics for the foreseeable future, so stay tuned :)
Such an amazing video. Thank you for teaching us about this topic, since a lot of people don't understand how this works and what may be causing them issues
Great find! I really wonder how would the chart look like when you fully relog the game from inside of the raid and also, how would the chart look like for the full raid duration. ps. nikita will say we will we will we we and nothing will change. good luck!
It does that gradual buildup over the course of the raid and clears *mostly* after you leave a raid. I've had situations due to the stellar server setup where I've had to fully relog, and the buildup did actually transfer as far as I saw (but I scrapped any data that had that happen to keep it as consistent as possible). P.S. SKRA Army Represent 🤘
You are doing gods work comrade! o7 I seem to recall a TarkovTV podcast where Nikita was talking about the auto ram cleaner feature that was coming, or maybe that it was bugged cause stutters when it was happening. Anyways, my memory says that he mentioned it going into effect when you access your inventory. IE, press tab. Maybe something to look into next time ur afk waiting for the rain to pass :P
That might be part of the reason why there's that initial stutter on inventory open... good memory! I'll be looking into that too as it seems this video has sparked a lot ofpeople to check in on it for themselves. Thanks again for the info :)
The bad coding practices BSG can do never cease to amaze me. It's like they just hired a bunch of people that only did an online c# beginners course seeing how they were unable to understand how easy it is to manage memory especially in c#.
@@klemintime1452I would often have stutters and straight up long pauses on 16gb ram, gtx 1080 card, going to 32gb helped the stutters but I still get frame drops and high ram usage
One problem for me is also that Tarkov seems to load just much more data than it needs. It fills up my 12GB of VRAM immediately, no matter what I load into, although I have almost zero spillover into system memory. Changing settings and the like doesn't even change anything about the VRAM usage, even though you would expect it to go down significantly when you go from max settings to minimum.
I am having the same situation, my machine is by no means the best but I have a gtx 1080 and xeon e3 cpu and the game never loads vram more than 50% or cpu 50% no matter what settings I check and just dumps everything to ram. I had 16gb ram and had constant crashes, updated to 32 and the game uses 24-28 constantly, at least the crashes are gone but yeah it always just bottlenecks on ram with is so weird
@@rodiculous9464 also got an older Xeon e3. Right now the game actually runs much better for me. I didn't change much but enabled the RAM clearing and mip streaming(?) features. Still only 16GB system RAM. Idk what they changed but it's definitely better now. Also met far fewer cheaters recently but that's besides the point.
Thanks for this! I appreciate your communication style as well. I notice that my game damn near has a heart attack when I hit escape, I'm sat there for several seconds waiting to get back to the game. It was nice to get some understanding on what may actually be going on. Looks like I may need more than 16g to play these larger maps. I've had more problems with updated Shoreline than I used to as well.
My pleasure! But yeah, slowly but surely 32 GB is starting to become the sweet spot *especially* if you want to have other apps open while gaming. Tarkov is definitely NOT and exception to this and definitely needs that additional RAM to run smoothly.
@@klemintime1452 I'm behind the times in this regard, and when I play with friends they practically demand that I stream so they can keep track of me, so that's more motivation to up the ram. Cheers again :)
How wild, I was just doing research on my ram usage like 20 min ago on Streets, then I see this video while trying to look up my issue! Very well detailed! Thanks for putting all the time in. I had 100fps at all times on Streets last week, then Tuesday, Im sitting at around 50-60fps. I've been doing research on why since then and todays journey brought me to ram. I notice that Streets uses damn near all of my ram which is 32GB. I ended up downloading a ram cleaner program that clears that standby ram you were talking about every 5 minutes. Didn't help my frames but maybe it'll be useful overall.
The biggest hog on steets FPS is all the AI/players… At the start of the raid - FPS is 100+, and end of raid (like last 10 mins) it’s good.. as this is when all AI/ players are loading in at the start and then dead at the end and extracted at the end of the raid.. Run offline with bots disabled and you’ll see how much better it runs…
i had the same issue with "Halved FPS", the solution for my problem was turning Nvidia Reflex "Off". I no longer had FPS issues and run ~100 fps again, so maybe you could try this.
Another issue that people are just calling "memory leak" is the recent bug where after 3-4 raids you find yourself with halved FPS, people say it's due to an Nvidia Reflex bug but Reflex only makes it worse, the problem persists with Reflex off. You can also see errors being spammed in console when it happens. Basically any issue that appears after 3-4 raids is a "memory leak" for the Tarkov's community
i had this issue when i had the Nvidia Reflex "On", but after i turned it "Off", i no longer had the halved FPS issue. So maybe its PC exclusive, but it definitely helped me to keep it "Off"
@@jordanfetch4191 you don't get the halved fps anymore but you still get worse performance and the error spam in console, that's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
@@OmniXen26 I don't deny the fact that there are console errors, but I can play at full FPS without Reflex on. That's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
Would be interesting to see if the errors tell us anything, but I don't have the knowledge/patience to find out, but I'll try turning it off since I've always had it on due to having a slower rig
Thank you for talking about this. I'm having similar issues with 32gb of 3600 ram, a 3080Ti & a 5 ghz OC on 9900K. Has been doing my head in trying to see wtf is going on!
If you want to know what the 'auto ram cleaner' does deep down inside, you can read the Unity (Tarkov is on Unity, right?) documentation about the Garbage Collector. Specifically I suspect this setting simply enables 'Incremental GC'. These two modes basically offer a tradeoff between doing smaller garbage collection tasks more frequently (which may slow things down) or waiting and do them all at once (which will cause stutters). The GC works (kinda) by looking at each reference to every object the game stores in memory and trying to determine which objects don't need to be around any more. That can be a computationally expensive task when the Streets lobby has six chads simultaneously mag dumping thousands of bullets into RAM. It's also worth noting that the Unity docs state that the incremental GC takes advantage of any idle time created by vsync. So there's probably a complex relationship between memory, overall framerate, and on/off combos of vsync + Auto RAM Cleaner. I suppose there can also be a performance increase of having incremental GC if that helps keep the game's memory more traversable - you imagine each time the game has to 'find' some object (like did this bullet his this player or whatever) there's some tree structure of memory that it has to go through each item until it finds what it needs. When a game gets progressively slower over time, to me that's a byproduct of that tree getting too big or too deep. The GC might help trim it down and boost framerates back up.
Very good call- I have been digging into that recently and was reading up on it to see if I should make a video on it or not. I'm still debating it as I don't want to say I know how exactly the game is coded but yknow, its really interesting :)
@@klemintime1452another thing to investigate is that tarkov seems to load other player’s entire inventory when in raid. Which makes sense for some, on older rigs, who could almost ‘sense’ a PMC because of sudden frame drops etc… which was likely due to some kind of overload.
@@AlanCMcLaughlinThis legit happens to me, the quick hang for maybe 750ms when a PMC or SCAV player gets too close. I am about to upgrade my painfully old rig from a 6GB 1060 TI and an ancient 4790K I7 (fuckin .. 11 years old) with 16gb of DDR3 RAM and no SSD.
that's a nice discover there. i watched another video long time ago showing the same thing sitting on customs and eating ram. bsg should give eod players at least free 2 sticks of 8GB ram included in the bundle.
Man this is trippy because for the first like 2-3 years I played tarkov I had a shitty computer, and I when I would feel laggier than usual I used to hit esc, it would stutter, then back out. I would repeat this until I could hit esc twice and it opened and closed quickly with no stutter.(I would have to do it about 3 times) After my game always felt better. Now I have a good pc and the menu still stutters, but it makes me think that it has always done this, and you are the first to notice.
I saw an old guide years ago saying to use john koshy's ram cleaner and it clears the working set and cache, not sure if thats the in use ram like you were saying but it does clear out a few gigs of ram when it gets to super high use but i get a massive stutter and frame drop then the ram use slowly creeps up again. If the ram cleaner ingame is also the same way then i can see why they wouldnt want it to randomly kick on in raid but at the same time if its only working in the menu it should communicate that.
I set my PC to use 35gb Virtual memory. *I am new to Tarkov, i7-8700k and 3060ti at 2k with 32gb system memory. Playing streets worked fine with my first game, when I played streets for a second time without a reboot, using GPU-z to monitor my system memory. I found that I was going over my 32gb of system memory and the game would crash every second game on streets. I bought a cheap 128gb SSD and use it only for virtual memory. I set the memory at 35gb (I just wanted more VM than my system memory). My game no longer has crashes and even looking around in game is smoother.
Very interesting video! I was actually planning on doing this test myself but found your video first. I hope BSG watch this video and work on this issue. Im surprised this issue is still in the game, it's been a thing for years and is still not getting fixed...
Very nice and thorough test. Although I wish you would have logged the FPS as well, as in my opinion that is what is actually noticeable without the OSD. If the game uses all the memory, that's not really a problem as long as the system remains responsive, but this is obviously not the case clearly 😂 In my own experience, the FPS decreases significantly after a number of raids, typically becoming unplayable after about 10 raids without restarting the game. Let's stay the first raid on woods I have 150 FPS average. Regardless of the map, after a few raids, the FPS and frametime will be so inconsistent that it is disturbing to play. I've had times where the FPS comes down to under 45! From 150 to 45 in let's say 10 raids. Restarting the game fixes this, but that is hilariously stupid. I understand that this may be a very intricate and complex issue, and this so-called memory leak may only be a part of the problem. Thanks for taking the time to diagnose and hypothesize though, not many bother. ❤
Playing Lighthouse for me was fine from when I started playing a year ago up to yesterday when the new stupid update kicked in. Now it stutters constantly and if I engage PMCs, my screen freezes several times and then I get killed without any means to defend myself. By the way, 12700k, 16GB 3200mhz and 1080ti 11GB. Apart from Lighthouse (and ofc Streets, which is trash for everyone, or almost) the rest of the several maps run just fine still.
I am going to add this since I've been playing since Ram Cleaner was implemented. I would be cautious of using it because Deadly Slob back in the day had his ram fail which he believes was linked to activating this setting. I've also had a set of my ram fail shortly after enabling this setting back when it was first implemented. This was many moons ago and they may have fixed whatever was causing this, but considering the results in this video, clearly it's not working correctly so I personally would rather just restart my game every couple of raids rather than potentially having it break something (atleast until BSG have made it work correctly). Again, it may not be an issue now but I'd rather warn people so they can make a decision. Also if anyone has used it for multiple RECENT wipes could they say since I am personally curious if they have fixed this issue (not curious enough to risk another set of ram though).
I have been playing since patch 12.11 and I’ve always had the ram cleaner option enabled. I haven’t had any computer/hardware issues thus far nor have I heard of anyone else having their ram “fail”. It’s always better to be safe than sorry though so I don’t blame you for not having it enabled if you genuinely think it could be harmful to your hardware
Kinda nice to see someone talking about these issue from a scientific/educated perspective rather than a pissy/complainer perspective. If you see this comment (hopefully), do you have any thoughts on the amount of VRAM the game uses? Because it seems to use a /lot/ for the visuals it provides and I could never get my head around the fact it somehow doesn't feel right.
I have 32gb of ram and 10gb vram so I dont really see an issue. I also only play on medium textures. The bigger problem have been these random packet spikes lately. It happens with all of my friends so I know its not a internet issue as we all have fiber.
Maybe they dont have memory cleaner running properly in game because of frametime spikes or something? Because at least bringing up the menu is giga laggy and freezes.
Correct- but it might actually be on purpose. The A.R.C only runs when you hit escape (at least, as far as I could observe) but it still decreases overall RAM consumption by a couple GBs. Still worth it, but it doesn't do much automatically to try and avoid making more stutters when you're actually in game (as a stutter occurs when purging memory).
@@vgamedude12 ONLY the In-Game Menu as far as I can tell. No other thing (looting bodies / containers or opening inventory) can get it to proc. I've tried a bunch of ways and I just cannot get it to do anything then. There may be some passive, small cleaning happening here and there with the most recent behavior I've noticed with 0.13.5.1, but I think they had to take some of that back with the rollback, as it was still causing stutters (that's just my theory though, don't take that part as utter fact).
great effort with the video. Before I got my upgrades to my PC I would run into this problem with my 3070. mow my PC is a bit overkill with the 4090 and 64gb's of DDR5 ram. but I feel even with what I have now its best to keep things as clear as you can. anything to help with FPS
The majority of my performance issues came from the nvidia reflex setting. Putting that to off made me no linger having to restart my game every couple raida.
Im early in the video, but the online vs offline thing is definitely interesting. My computer cant handle streets, it can barely handle normal maps lol. But if I play offline, I can load into streets. If i try doing it online, scav or pmc, it literally blue screens my PC lol
And i need this be very clear, This wipe. They did some memory optmization/whatever trying to reduce this issue. Meaning that if this was tested 3-5 wipes ago the results would be even more serve.
I can't even play Streets, 10-15 minutes into raid it blue screens or force locks my computer on an artifact screen until I restart. Every other map is fine for me, its frustrating. 3090, I9-12900k and 32gb of ddr5 6400mhz ram. I hate every moment of this and wish it would be fixed.
Game was clearing ram regulary before but it caused sttuters, Ram cleaning only in menu is intendet behaviour. I remember Nikita was talking about it in some podcast.
RAM Cleaner works this wipe for me. It never did anything before this wipe, so streets was unplayable for me. I still have to restart the game every few raids as my game gets capped at 60FPS for some unknown reason.
ive used auto ram cleaner every wipe until this wipe, trying to play streets with it was impossible, i just dont use it and restart my game if it starts feeling slow
About the drop when you opened the menu, maybe they programmed to be like this. Did you feel the game froze for a second or two when you opened the menu? For example, dumping memory is one of the most common reason for stutters. You do not want stutter while you are moving and shooting. This stutter is caused by something we call Garbage Collector (GC) in a very important moment. The GC has to "freeze" the process so it can access the memory and clean whatever it's not being used anymore. Remember a few wipes ago where the game just went crazy with the stutters whenever you shoot? That's why. It is just the way C# and Unity works (got o unity docs, Manual/performance-garbage-collector.html) Unity has some tools and techniques so you can have more control over GC, so maybe, just maybe, they decided to trigger GC when you open a menu (?), since if you are in a menu, nothing critical will happen if you have stutters.
Thats a smart design choice- but I still have to do some more testing to see if this actually activates correctly. Secondarily, I found another really weird behavior regarding memory that I will hopefully have a video up on in the next couple days so keep an eye out for that too.
They used to clean GC whenever u opened inventory/looted, lagspikes were crazy when u had to use something from the inventory in the middle of a fight. Like 5 wipes ago.
My Computer will sometimes crash like shut off when I am loading into a raid. This only happens to me in this game. Other games I have no issues playing even with 10-12 hours non stop. Do you know a fix to this?
This is probably a stupid comment as you look far more clued up on software than myself, but is your graph not showing system ram and vram allocation stats rather than usage? Ive been trying to set up an overlay myself and if im reading it correct im finding a massive difference between allocated vs actual usage. For instance on my setup loading into woods im allocating 14gb vram and using around 10gb for about the first minute in raid and then quickly dropping to 5gb for the remainder. System ram also allocating around 14gb however never going above 5gb on usage. Every chance im reading it wrong however.
Also the ram cleaner has always been bugged(it worked for 1st week of this wipe before technical update) the ram cleaner only cleans when you hit main menu or turn it on and save the hit menu screen the system memory set gets cleared. It has been like this. I use another program to just have this mem clear on hotkey. But for a bit i was turning this setting on and hitting main menu and turning it back off between every raid to minimize issues and it worked but also sucked to do
Can you talk about how Tarkov ruins your mic when on discord communicating? Alot of the times for me when i play tarkov i cant speak through my mic because its almost as if tarkovs disables it. Even worse with wireless headsets since you have to restart your pc to fix it.
That sounds like a permissions issue for your PC- either discord or Tarkov is taking control of the device. I'd see if you could maybe run the programs in admin mode or look up some guides on how to stop microphone/speaker exclusivity for an application.
@@klemintime1452 Thats the thing it only happens with Tarkov and Tarkov only. It also hits at random times so 2 months before it works fine and then another day it’s fidgety. There’s barley any solutions to fix it.
Someone made a video on this a while ago I remember, their solution was to enable auto ram cleaner while out of raid, then disable before going back in. Curios to see what you come up with here
Love your channel! If I have a 12600KF, AMD 6800, and 16gb of DDR4-3000, would it be worth the investment to upgrade to 32GB? If so, should I just grab another 16GB of 3000, or go with a 32GB set of something faster? I typically have Discord open and am streaming with buddies, if that helps determine it. Thanks!
I have a laptop with a Ryzen 9 7940HS and RTX 4070 with 16GB of 4800MHz DDR5 ram. I upgraded to 32GB and found that on average my fps by about 15%. Also beforehand I had to turn of discord and browsers to play with a stable FPS without stuttering. Now I can keep basically anything open without suffering from these issues.
Sadly, this doesn't conclusively dispel a memory leak, because you didn't load back through the maps to see if the RAM usage was significantly higher. This DOES show that it isn't so bad that 2-3 raids total would merit a restart from a memory leak. It's still true that the game needs to be restarted after a bit, but it might not be a memory leak causing it. I'd say it's unlikely that it's a memory leak, because I still have available RAM by the time the game is stuttering, has laggy menus, and is losing FPS. If you run more tests, please also include a frametime chart or 1% and 0.1% low FPS. Not just average FPS, because the RAM cleaner may cause or fix 1% low FPS sags that wouldn't be reflected in the average FPS.
Sorry about that, I should have shown that data. There was a couple of runs where I did actually do it a fourth time by loading back onto streets (including after this most recent patch). There was a ~500 MB difference in RAM usage both times I tried it. This was in *offline* though, so the number may be better or worse for online testing (but likely not by much). For FPS in the future, the main reason I hesitate to include such data (1% and 0.1% lows) is because it gets completely nullified by some actions when I'm in online raids. If I play the raid at all and interact with any lootable object or player, there's a stutter, so it completely kills that data. If you'd like, though, I could add those in the future, but only when they actually provide some context. Thanks for the constructive advice and for watching, and do keep in mind I did two other videos in a series on this, which is pinned in a playlist on my channel :)
I'd assume worse for online, because of all the extra data from players, but maybe not too much more now, after the small packet update. @@klemintime1452 That's a great reason for leaving out FPS, I didn't consider that. Plus the HUGE, inconsistent drop at the beginning of every raid, and always being at the mercy of the servers dropping packets or a player picking up a laggy item. If enough people comment about it, it might be worth putting an annotation in related videos. This is actually my first video of yours, so congrats on catching the algorithm's recommendations, haha! I'll go check those out, thanks!
0:56 You aren't close to VRAM spillover, you are already past it. As the GPU gets close to it's VRAM capacity it will start culling memory, getting rid of what it doesn't need right now and send stuff to the RAM, you won't really see the full 8gb used since the GPU drivers will do everything they can to avoid it.
True, you're right. Its a mix of VRAM spillover when I am in raid and the memory leak, since the behavior I discuss in the video occurs even when that VRAM limit is not close to being hit (but obviously getting close will drastically affect consumption, as seen in my data).
@@klemintime1452 yeah, I was just mentioning since getting close to full VRAM already affects performence, even if you have some left. Good video in any case. Tarkov is in a bad situation where they started to make the game with little experience and now the bad code is too time consuming to rewrite, so all they can do is treat the symptoms.
Idk what it is but it was really bad this wipe I was getting great frames before and didn’t have any massive drops but now it’s impossible to play a game without massive drops
For me it gets disconnected when i load raid 8/10 times in LIGHTHOUSE, other maps are fine. It shows red network sign when it does that but never does in any other maps, very wierd. This might be linked with memory leak and network sync issue or something, no idea. But they need to fix this given the game has been in BETA for so long.
The problem with pressing escape in raid is that whenever i do it on any map my game freezes for about 2 seconds. Whcich isnt a problem unless i panic hit it in a fight (has happened). When i do it on streets tge moment i press escape i my game freezes for about 5 seconds and i get connection lost every single time. So baisically on my keyboard escape is a disconect from streets shortcut
Makes perfect sense to me that autoram cleaner would only work in the menus. Simple yet elegant solution to solving how to reduce calls during gameplay. If you're cleaning out ram during gameplay, you're losing cycles to clear it, then losing cycles while calling it back into ram. Personally, I'd only want it to clear at the menus while out of raid. I would guess this is working as intended, if nothing else I bet that's what BSG would say. . . and I can see the logic behind it.
I agree. The overall consumption though is frankly ABSURD levels, which is why I'm thinking there's more to this then meets the eye. I've found one of the biggest sources of this (I think, I still have to test it) so keep an eye out for that video. The behavior is frankly baffling when you see the difference in my next video. (oh and also, I still have to make sure its attempting to clear when you're looting or checking your inventory too- not sure on that behaviour yet.)
Good video appreciate it now tell me about automatic room cleaner is there a certain one I need? Is there a certain when I should stay away from? I know nothing.😂
09:35 again NO. it doesn't just suddenly work when you go into the settings. but if you are in your settings then all of the stuff around you doesn't need to be loaded in ram. because it's not being rendered anyway. SO YOU DROP IN RAM USED!!! you wanna know what a memory leak really is? that's when you just finish you customs raid. and instead of unloading the customs assets. it misses that command and keeps them loaded. and now you go to interchange, and load all of those in aswel. and oops. 30gb in use by tarkov. if you only have 16gb of ram then most of this will be on your harddisk. in the pagefile. and that last bit of unused ram that you see. is reserved by the operating system. how ever. those of us who actually have an amount of ram. notice that there is an increase in ram usage. litterally using twice as much ram as the game normally does. even when in the main menu screen. and you didn't experiance this in this video. so this isn't a video about memory leaks. and this also isn't a video showing WHY ram cleaner is bad. because it's most deffinatly bad.
Yep ram cleaner ingame option only run when u go to main menu its been like that for fiew wipes where ppl say "its useless not working option" ive been doing it every fiew min ingame this wipe it started to crash me often when doing it tho
My game crashes a ton even with a 3090 and 32 gigs of ram. I've always figured it was an outdated CPU or MOBO issue but come to think of it I'm not sure I've ever crashed in raids where I change a keybind or edit my graphics. I'll try to be in that menu more often and see if it helps
It worked, it definitely worked, doubled my fps from 40-45 with dips to 80 with dips to 65 on customs....but it only lasted 1 day. This game is never gonna be optimized only getting worse, gotta bite the bullet and throw 3k euros on a new pc...
This is definitely a funny issue. I have 32gb ram and a 7900 xtx which has 24gb of vram. I don’t think a memory leak is the specific cause of us randomly losing fps the more we play without restarting cause memory size doesn’t seem to be a bottleneck for me unless there is artificial limiting going on.
I still can't understand how bsg make the bug with nvidia reflex possible, when everyone on nvidia was lose 50% fps in raids. It's just technology for reducing inputlag a little, not a complete fps killer xD. They definetely take some pills when develope the game, because i can't believe that game after 6-7 years of developing still have so many technical bugs.
Did you get to test multiple raids of Streets? Just curious if that map specifically has some issues. Any tests for VRAM? Thanks for your video! Love the in-depth look, really well made.
In the online portion, yes- one of those tests is the one that you saw in that "opening menu" clip (though I don't record for testing in almost all cases- it was to use as background footage if needed)
Interesting - so basically no restarting required, just hit Esc from time to time. On a side note, this explains why the game shyts itself everytime one presses esc
I'm finding that 2nd or 3rd consecutive online raids drop from (offline) 80-120 fps to (online) 40-60 fps, on the same map, with ram cleaner, with purging standby (cached) ram. Memory (ram, vram) usage and temperature remain similar enough, so I have no idea what is causing this.
i have a bad pc, and this may be why when i press ESC to go to the settings, the game sometimes crashes... it just kick in and overloads tarkov and crashes...
SPAGHETTI CODE at its best, hopefully this will make it easy for BSG to resolve the issue or atleast make it clear to the community how the ram cleaner works xD
Just to clear things up, I added a TLDR in the description. Apologies if the audio is a little scuffed on this one as I missed a weird glitch in the first part and well.. the second part had the torrential downpour. Still, please let me know of your experiences with this in the comments, and I will be continuing to look into this issue and sending BSG information as I collect it. As always, thank you for watching!
Appreciate the tLDR!
Also correct me if i am wrong. But this patch/update i believe they said they actively were optimizing/doing stuff to improve the memeory leak issues. Meaning a few wipes ago it would even be worse.
@@paulronan6770 it was indeed way worse, generally speaking. But Streets on this wipe Is garbage.
Same specs as you apart from a better processor and an extra 32gb of ram and this game is running like absolute shite
What software do you use for the FPS overlay in the upper left hand corner
Finally some one talking about this problem! I have been monitoring this issues my self and noticed similar results but that when you activated ram cleaner on middle of the raid was wild! this only confirmed that the Tarkov really need seriously more optimization and polish!
You can hear me in the video when it happens pull my microphone boom arm closer and lean forward in shock lmao
memory goes from 12 to the full 32gb during raid, clear memory by opening/closing the menu. once this memory builds up a second time it will crash the game(bonus points if it happens 5 minutes left in the raid timer cause the game wont let you back in within that time frame)
Love your videos man thank you for deep diving in to tarkovs weird world of fps and ram issues
Thank you for watching- I really appreciate having you all around. I'll be continuing to dive into this and other topics for the foreseeable future, so stay tuned :)
Such an amazing video. Thank you for teaching us about this topic, since a lot of people don't understand how this works and what may be causing them issues
Thank YOU for watching- I really appreciate you guys trusting me with sorting all this stuff out. It honestly means the world.
Great find! I really wonder how would the chart look like when you fully relog the game from inside of the raid and also, how would the chart look like for the full raid duration.
ps. nikita will say we will we will we we and nothing will change.
good luck!
It does that gradual buildup over the course of the raid and clears *mostly* after you leave a raid. I've had situations due to the stellar server setup where I've had to fully relog, and the buildup did actually transfer as far as I saw (but I scrapped any data that had that happen to keep it as consistent as possible).
P.S. SKRA Army Represent 🤘
You are doing gods work comrade! o7
I seem to recall a TarkovTV podcast where Nikita was talking about the auto ram cleaner feature that was coming, or maybe that it was bugged cause stutters when it was happening. Anyways, my memory says that he mentioned it going into effect when you access your inventory. IE, press tab. Maybe something to look into next time ur afk waiting for the rain to pass :P
That might be part of the reason why there's that initial stutter on inventory open... good memory! I'll be looking into that too as it seems this video has sparked a lot ofpeople to check in on it for themselves. Thanks again for the info :)
The bad coding practices BSG can do never cease to amaze me. It's like they just hired a bunch of people that only did an online c# beginners course seeing how they were unable to understand how easy it is to manage memory especially in c#.
@@klemintime1452I would often have stutters and straight up long pauses on 16gb ram, gtx 1080 card, going to 32gb helped the stutters but I still get frame drops and high ram usage
Great breakdown and actual info instead of the usual streamer bro-science. Kudos! :D
Exactly what I aim to do- no more "trust me bro" 👍
That ingame thunder at 9:13 is perfectly timed
One problem for me is also that Tarkov seems to load just much more data than it needs. It fills up my 12GB of VRAM immediately, no matter what I load into, although I have almost zero spillover into system memory. Changing settings and the like doesn't even change anything about the VRAM usage, even though you would expect it to go down significantly when you go from max settings to minimum.
I am having the same situation, my machine is by no means the best but I have a gtx 1080 and xeon e3 cpu and the game never loads vram more than 50% or cpu 50% no matter what settings I check and just dumps everything to ram. I had 16gb ram and had constant crashes, updated to 32 and the game uses 24-28 constantly, at least the crashes are gone but yeah it always just bottlenecks on ram with is so weird
@@rodiculous9464 also got an older Xeon e3. Right now the game actually runs much better for me. I didn't change much but enabled the RAM clearing and mip streaming(?) features. Still only 16GB system RAM. Idk what they changed but it's definitely better now. Also met far fewer cheaters recently but that's besides the point.
very well made and informative video. you are a chill dude and i dont know why i havent subscribed earlier :)
Thanks for this! I appreciate your communication style as well.
I notice that my game damn near has a heart attack when I hit escape, I'm sat there for several seconds waiting to get back to the game. It was nice to get some understanding on what may actually be going on.
Looks like I may need more than 16g to play these larger maps. I've had more problems with updated Shoreline than I used to as well.
My pleasure! But yeah, slowly but surely 32 GB is starting to become the sweet spot *especially* if you want to have other apps open while gaming. Tarkov is definitely NOT and exception to this and definitely needs that additional RAM to run smoothly.
@@klemintime1452 I'm behind the times in this regard, and when I play with friends they practically demand that I stream so they can keep track of me, so that's more motivation to up the ram. Cheers again :)
always love stumbling across the intellectuals of tarkov, great vid dude 🤟
My pleasure man, thanks for being intellectual bros with me lol
I thought it was common knowledge that opening the settings screen off-loaded RAM. Noticed this ages ago.
How wild, I was just doing research on my ram usage like 20 min ago on Streets, then I see this video while trying to look up my issue! Very well detailed! Thanks for putting all the time in. I had 100fps at all times on Streets last week, then Tuesday, Im sitting at around 50-60fps. I've been doing research on why since then and todays journey brought me to ram. I notice that Streets uses damn near all of my ram which is 32GB. I ended up downloading a ram cleaner program that clears that standby ram you were talking about every 5 minutes. Didn't help my frames but maybe it'll be useful overall.
The biggest hog on steets FPS is all the AI/players…
At the start of the raid - FPS is 100+, and end of raid (like last 10 mins) it’s good.. as this is when all AI/ players are loading in at the start and then dead at the end and extracted at the end of the raid..
Run offline with bots disabled and you’ll see how much better it runs…
i had the same issue with "Halved FPS", the solution for my problem was turning Nvidia Reflex "Off".
I no longer had FPS issues and run ~100 fps again, so maybe you could try this.
Thanks, refreshing to see some research rather than the usual noise
Another issue that people are just calling "memory leak" is the recent bug where after 3-4 raids you find yourself with halved FPS, people say it's due to an Nvidia Reflex bug but Reflex only makes it worse, the problem persists with Reflex off. You can also see errors being spammed in console when it happens.
Basically any issue that appears after 3-4 raids is a "memory leak" for the Tarkov's community
i had this issue when i had the Nvidia Reflex "On", but after i turned it "Off", i no longer had the halved FPS issue.
So maybe its PC exclusive, but it definitely helped me to keep it "Off"
@@jordanfetch4191 you don't get the halved fps anymore but you still get worse performance and the error spam in console, that's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
@@OmniXen26 I don't deny the fact that there are console errors, but I can play at full FPS without Reflex on.
That's exactly what I said in the comment lmao
Would be interesting to see if the errors tell us anything, but I don't have the knowledge/patience to find out, but I'll try turning it off since I've always had it on due to having a slower rig
Thank you for talking about this. I'm having similar issues with 32gb of 3600 ram, a 3080Ti & a 5 ghz OC on 9900K. Has been doing my head in trying to see wtf is going on!
How fast does 32 GB go away? I have 16 and usually 1-3 raids go ok. Just wondering for my own purposes
Please keep uploading I don’t know shit about pcs but I play a lot of games on pc and tarkov never has seemed to run right
Memory leaks, the thing every CompEng undergrad will produce in C once
Great job man! Keep up the great work. Really appreciated this one.
Thanks!
Thank you, brother. Genuinely means a lot to have support from you :D
Wait i know this guy :b
If you want to know what the 'auto ram cleaner' does deep down inside, you can read the Unity (Tarkov is on Unity, right?) documentation about the Garbage Collector. Specifically I suspect this setting simply enables 'Incremental GC'.
These two modes basically offer a tradeoff between doing smaller garbage collection tasks more frequently (which may slow things down) or waiting and do them all at once (which will cause stutters). The GC works (kinda) by looking at each reference to every object the game stores in memory and trying to determine which objects don't need to be around any more. That can be a computationally expensive task when the Streets lobby has six chads simultaneously mag dumping thousands of bullets into RAM.
It's also worth noting that the Unity docs state that the incremental GC takes advantage of any idle time created by vsync. So there's probably a complex relationship between memory, overall framerate, and on/off combos of vsync + Auto RAM Cleaner.
I suppose there can also be a performance increase of having incremental GC if that helps keep the game's memory more traversable - you imagine each time the game has to 'find' some object (like did this bullet his this player or whatever) there's some tree structure of memory that it has to go through each item until it finds what it needs. When a game gets progressively slower over time, to me that's a byproduct of that tree getting too big or too deep. The GC might help trim it down and boost framerates back up.
Very good call- I have been digging into that recently and was reading up on it to see if I should make a video on it or not. I'm still debating it as I don't want to say I know how exactly the game is coded but yknow, its really interesting :)
@@klemintime1452another thing to investigate is that tarkov seems to load other player’s entire inventory when in raid. Which makes sense for some, on older rigs, who could almost ‘sense’ a PMC because of sudden frame drops etc… which was likely due to some kind of overload.
@@AlanCMcLaughlinThis legit happens to me, the quick hang for maybe 750ms when a PMC or SCAV player gets too close. I am about to upgrade my painfully old rig from a 6GB 1060 TI and an ancient 4790K I7 (fuckin .. 11 years old) with 16gb of DDR3 RAM and no SSD.
Holy hell, this helps a ton. Especially if you're like me, changing settings mid-raid and gathering completely incoherent results 😂
Glad it helped clear that up because I was the same way lol
It's insane how much VRAM Tarkov use. The graphics looks like a AAA game from 2016
To me this game looks absolutely incredible with high textures on 1440p. Certainly the most realistic looking game I ever played
@@filispin1can't even run the game well with high textures and 32gb of ram and a 3080 At 4k lol.
that's a nice discover there. i watched another video long time ago showing the same thing sitting on customs and eating ram. bsg should give eod players at least free 2 sticks of 8GB ram included in the bundle.
Man this is trippy because for the first like 2-3 years I played tarkov I had a shitty computer, and I when I would feel laggier than usual I used to hit esc, it would stutter, then back out. I would repeat this until I could hit esc twice and it opened and closed quickly with no stutter.(I would have to do it about 3 times) After my game always felt better. Now I have a good pc and the menu still stutters, but it makes me think that it has always done this, and you are the first to notice.
I saw an old guide years ago saying to use john koshy's ram cleaner and it clears the working set and cache, not sure if thats the in use ram like you were saying but it does clear out a few gigs of ram when it gets to super high use but i get a massive stutter and frame drop then the ram use slowly creeps up again. If the ram cleaner ingame is also the same way then i can see why they wouldnt want it to randomly kick on in raid but at the same time if its only working in the menu it should communicate that.
I heard that turning RAM cleaner off then on in raid would fix stutters and “make it work”, but I never knew it was as simple as opening settings
I set my PC to use 35gb Virtual memory. *I am new to Tarkov, i7-8700k and 3060ti at 2k with 32gb system memory. Playing streets worked fine with my first game, when I played streets for a second time without a reboot, using GPU-z to monitor my system memory. I found that I was going over my 32gb of system memory and the game would crash every second game on streets. I bought a cheap 128gb SSD and use it only for virtual memory. I set the memory at 35gb (I just wanted more VM than my system memory). My game no longer has crashes and even looking around in game is smoother.
EmptyStandbyList is the only thing that has eleviated some of the issue
Love this deep dive stuff. Keep it up Klem
Very interesting video! I was actually planning on doing this test myself but found your video first. I hope BSG watch this video and work on this issue. Im surprised this issue is still in the game, it's been a thing for years and is still not getting fixed...
Very nice and thorough test. Although I wish you would have logged the FPS as well, as in my opinion that is what is actually noticeable without the OSD. If the game uses all the memory, that's not really a problem as long as the system remains responsive, but this is obviously not the case clearly 😂
In my own experience, the FPS decreases significantly after a number of raids, typically becoming unplayable after about 10 raids without restarting the game. Let's stay the first raid on woods I have 150 FPS average. Regardless of the map, after a few raids, the FPS and frametime will be so inconsistent that it is disturbing to play. I've had times where the FPS comes down to under 45! From 150 to 45 in let's say 10 raids. Restarting the game fixes this, but that is hilariously stupid.
I understand that this may be a very intricate and complex issue, and this so-called memory leak may only be a part of the problem.
Thanks for taking the time to diagnose and hypothesize though, not many bother. ❤
Turn of Nvidia Reflex.
@@nikolaykertev2457 it is disabled Indeed
@@nikolaykertev2457 same here, reflex is disabled, but after a while the game runs like idk a non-running telephone
I think this finally explains why my game freezes and disconnects me a lot of the time when I press escape in a raid
Thank you to all the effort and testing, it was a big work and we appreciate, sub and like to help.
hope the algorithm takes this video around to all other tarkov players good vid man!
FYI - Gigabeef mentioned you and one of your videos on his scav talk podcast this week
Thank you for your time with researching and testing all this. I'm 11months late to the video but, solid job all the same
Playing Lighthouse for me was fine from when I started playing a year ago up to yesterday when the new stupid update kicked in. Now it stutters constantly and if I engage PMCs, my screen freezes several times and then I get killed without any means to defend myself. By the way, 12700k, 16GB 3200mhz and 1080ti 11GB. Apart from Lighthouse (and ofc Streets, which is trash for everyone, or almost) the rest of the several maps run just fine still.
I am going to add this since I've been playing since Ram Cleaner was implemented. I would be cautious of using it because Deadly Slob back in the day had his ram fail which he believes was linked to activating this setting. I've also had a set of my ram fail shortly after enabling this setting back when it was first implemented. This was many moons ago and they may have fixed whatever was causing this, but considering the results in this video, clearly it's not working correctly so I personally would rather just restart my game every couple of raids rather than potentially having it break something (atleast until BSG have made it work correctly).
Again, it may not be an issue now but I'd rather warn people so they can make a decision. Also if anyone has used it for multiple RECENT wipes could they say since I am personally curious if they have fixed this issue (not curious enough to risk another set of ram though).
I have been playing since patch 12.11 and I’ve always had the ram cleaner option enabled. I haven’t had any computer/hardware issues thus far nor have I heard of anyone else having their ram “fail”. It’s always better to be safe than sorry though so I don’t blame you for not having it enabled if you genuinely think it could be harmful to your hardware
Nikita when somebody suggests an optimization update, instead of random gun #700000000
automatic ram cleaner option will cause massive writes to your swap file
Kinda nice to see someone talking about these issue from a scientific/educated perspective rather than a pissy/complainer perspective. If you see this comment (hopefully), do you have any thoughts on the amount of VRAM the game uses? Because it seems to use a /lot/ for the visuals it provides and I could never get my head around the fact it somehow doesn't feel right.
I have 32gb of ram and 10gb vram so I dont really see an issue. I also only play on medium textures. The bigger problem have been these random packet spikes lately. It happens with all of my friends so I know its not a internet issue as we all have fiber.
Maybe they dont have memory cleaner running properly in game because of frametime spikes or something? Because at least bringing up the menu is giga laggy and freezes.
Correct- but it might actually be on purpose. The A.R.C only runs when you hit escape (at least, as far as I could observe) but it still decreases overall RAM consumption by a couple GBs. Still worth it, but it doesn't do much automatically to try and avoid making more stutters when you're actually in game (as a stutter occurs when purging memory).
@klemintime1452 have you checked yet to see if it runs when you use inventory with tab? Or is it only game menu?
@@vgamedude12 ONLY the In-Game Menu as far as I can tell. No other thing (looting bodies / containers or opening inventory) can get it to proc. I've tried a bunch of ways and I just cannot get it to do anything then.
There may be some passive, small cleaning happening here and there with the most recent behavior I've noticed with 0.13.5.1, but I think they had to take some of that back with the rollback, as it was still causing stutters (that's just my theory though, don't take that part as utter fact).
Thanks for taking the time to figure this shit out
Great video, appreciate the research that went into it.
great effort with the video. Before I got my upgrades to my PC I would run into this problem with my 3070. mow my PC is a bit overkill with the 4090 and 64gb's of DDR5 ram. but I feel even with what I have now its best to keep things as clear as you can. anything to help with FPS
Even though with specs like yourself are getting performance similar to mine. Its absolutely wild.
You shouldn't frickin need a McMonster machine to run the game well
Thank you so much for shining light at this, I hope they fix this
Koshy John's Memory Cleaner is still a must.
I've got a i7 9700k (4.9), RTX 2070 8gb and 32 Gb DDR4 ram (3200) and tarkov still struggles with this new patch! Hopefully this helps.
In soviet Russia, RAM cleans you!
The majority of my performance issues came from the nvidia reflex setting. Putting that to off made me no linger having to restart my game every couple raida.
same turning off nvidia reflex completely resolved the issue I was having. never have to restart anymore
Im early in the video, but the online vs offline thing is definitely interesting. My computer cant handle streets, it can barely handle normal maps lol. But if I play offline, I can load into streets. If i try doing it online, scav or pmc, it literally blue screens my PC lol
And i need this be very clear, This wipe. They did some memory optmization/whatever trying to reduce this issue. Meaning that if this was tested 3-5 wipes ago the results would be even more serve.
I can't even play Streets, 10-15 minutes into raid it blue screens or force locks my computer on an artifact screen until I restart. Every other map is fine for me, its frustrating. 3090, I9-12900k and 32gb of ddr5 6400mhz ram. I hate every moment of this and wish it would be fixed.
Finally I found someone who "plays" this game like me: testing the heck out of it. Hello fellow Aspi XD
Game was clearing ram regulary before but it caused sttuters, Ram cleaning only in menu is intendet behaviour. I remember Nikita was talking about it in some podcast.
This makes sense. "RAM cleaner only works when menu is open" is the most BSG bug possible.
Well you sure as shit wouldn't want it to start in the middle of a firefight 😂
RAM Cleaner works this wipe for me. It never did anything before this wipe, so streets was unplayable for me. I still have to restart the game every few raids as my game gets capped at 60FPS for some unknown reason.
someone suggested you can turn it on, while in a map, then turn it off again
you will get a short lag, but might be worth testing
ive used auto ram cleaner every wipe until this wipe, trying to play streets with it was impossible, i just dont use it and restart my game if it starts feeling slow
About the drop when you opened the menu, maybe they programmed to be like this. Did you feel the game froze for a second or two when you opened the menu?
For example, dumping memory is one of the most common reason for stutters. You do not want stutter while you are moving and shooting.
This stutter is caused by something we call Garbage Collector (GC) in a very important moment. The GC has to "freeze" the process so it can access the memory and clean whatever it's not being used anymore.
Remember a few wipes ago where the game just went crazy with the stutters whenever you shoot? That's why.
It is just the way C# and Unity works (got o unity docs, Manual/performance-garbage-collector.html)
Unity has some tools and techniques so you can have more control over GC, so maybe, just maybe, they decided to trigger GC when you open a menu (?), since if you are in a menu, nothing critical will happen if you have stutters.
Thats a smart design choice- but I still have to do some more testing to see if this actually activates correctly. Secondarily, I found another really weird behavior regarding memory that I will hopefully have a video up on in the next couple days so keep an eye out for that too.
They used to clean GC whenever u opened inventory/looted, lagspikes were crazy when u had to use something from the inventory in the middle of a fight. Like 5 wipes ago.
yep
My Computer will sometimes crash like shut off when I am loading into a raid. This only happens to me in this game. Other games I have no issues playing even with 10-12 hours non stop. Do you know a fix to this?
This is probably a stupid comment as you look far more clued up on software than myself, but is your graph not showing system ram and vram allocation stats rather than usage?
Ive been trying to set up an overlay myself and if im reading it correct im finding a massive difference between allocated vs actual usage.
For instance on my setup loading into woods im allocating 14gb vram and using around 10gb for about the first minute in raid and then quickly dropping to 5gb for the remainder.
System ram also allocating around 14gb however never going above 5gb on usage.
Every chance im reading it wrong however.
Also the ram cleaner has always been bugged(it worked for 1st week of this wipe before technical update) the ram cleaner only cleans when you hit main menu or turn it on and save the hit menu screen the system memory set gets cleared. It has been like this. I use another program to just have this mem clear on hotkey. But for a bit i was turning this setting on and hitting main menu and turning it back off between every raid to minimize issues and it worked but also sucked to do
Can you talk about how Tarkov ruins your mic when on discord communicating?
Alot of the times for me when i play tarkov i cant speak through my mic because its almost as if tarkovs disables it. Even worse with wireless headsets since you have to restart your pc to fix it.
That sounds like a permissions issue for your PC- either discord or Tarkov is taking control of the device. I'd see if you could maybe run the programs in admin mode or look up some guides on how to stop microphone/speaker exclusivity for an application.
@@klemintime1452 Thats the thing it only happens with Tarkov and Tarkov only. It also hits at random times so 2 months before it works fine and then another day it’s fidgety. There’s barley any solutions to fix it.
Someone made a video on this a while ago I remember, their solution was to enable auto ram cleaner while out of raid, then disable before going back in. Curios to see what you come up with here
Guys, any solution for shadow flickering in this wipe?
I have 16gbs ram and ram cleaner on. Whenever i go into menu it freezes and sometimes even gives server disconect .
Think results would change as you move through the map loading more textures ect.
Love your channel! If I have a 12600KF, AMD 6800, and 16gb of DDR4-3000, would it be worth the investment to upgrade to 32GB? If so, should I just grab another 16GB of 3000, or go with a 32GB set of something faster? I typically have Discord open and am streaming with buddies, if that helps determine it. Thanks!
I have a laptop with a Ryzen 9 7940HS and RTX 4070 with 16GB of 4800MHz DDR5 ram. I upgraded to 32GB and found that on average my fps by about 15%. Also beforehand I had to turn of discord and browsers to play with a stable FPS without stuttering. Now I can keep basically anything open without suffering from these issues.
Sadly, this doesn't conclusively dispel a memory leak, because you didn't load back through the maps to see if the RAM usage was significantly higher. This DOES show that it isn't so bad that 2-3 raids total would merit a restart from a memory leak.
It's still true that the game needs to be restarted after a bit, but it might not be a memory leak causing it. I'd say it's unlikely that it's a memory leak, because I still have available RAM by the time the game is stuttering, has laggy menus, and is losing FPS.
If you run more tests, please also include a frametime chart or 1% and 0.1% low FPS. Not just average FPS, because the RAM cleaner may cause or fix 1% low FPS sags that wouldn't be reflected in the average FPS.
Sorry about that, I should have shown that data. There was a couple of runs where I did actually do it a fourth time by loading back onto streets (including after this most recent patch). There was a ~500 MB difference in RAM usage both times I tried it. This was in *offline* though, so the number may be better or worse for online testing (but likely not by much).
For FPS in the future, the main reason I hesitate to include such data (1% and 0.1% lows) is because it gets completely nullified by some actions when I'm in online raids. If I play the raid at all and interact with any lootable object or player, there's a stutter, so it completely kills that data. If you'd like, though, I could add those in the future, but only when they actually provide some context.
Thanks for the constructive advice and for watching, and do keep in mind I did two other videos in a series on this, which is pinned in a playlist on my channel :)
I'd assume worse for online, because of all the extra data from players, but maybe not too much more now, after the small packet update. @@klemintime1452
That's a great reason for leaving out FPS, I didn't consider that. Plus the HUGE, inconsistent drop at the beginning of every raid, and always being at the mercy of the servers dropping packets or a player picking up a laggy item. If enough people comment about it, it might be worth putting an annotation in related videos.
This is actually my first video of yours, so congrats on catching the algorithm's recommendations, haha! I'll go check those out, thanks!
0:56 You aren't close to VRAM spillover, you are already past it. As the GPU gets close to it's VRAM capacity it will start culling memory, getting rid of what it doesn't need right now and send stuff to the RAM, you won't really see the full 8gb used since the GPU drivers will do everything they can to avoid it.
True, you're right. Its a mix of VRAM spillover when I am in raid and the memory leak, since the behavior I discuss in the video occurs even when that VRAM limit is not close to being hit (but obviously getting close will drastically affect consumption, as seen in my data).
@@klemintime1452 yeah, I was just mentioning since getting close to full VRAM already affects performence, even if you have some left. Good video in any case.
Tarkov is in a bad situation where they started to make the game with little experience and now the bad code is too time consuming to rewrite, so all they can do is treat the symptoms.
Idk what it is but it was really bad this wipe I was getting great frames before and didn’t have any massive drops but now it’s impossible to play a game without massive drops
Try turning nvidian reflex off
If only they could do that reduce ram usage thing in setting happen while you are playing the game! 🤦♂
That *does* call for more stutters in game though, its a really rough trade.
For me it gets disconnected when i load raid 8/10 times in LIGHTHOUSE, other maps are fine. It shows red network sign when it does that but never does in any other maps, very wierd. This might be linked with memory leak and network sync issue or something, no idea. But they need to fix this given the game has been in BETA for so long.
The problem with pressing escape in raid is that whenever i do it on any map my game freezes for about 2 seconds. Whcich isnt a problem unless i panic hit it in a fight (has happened). When i do it on streets tge moment i press escape i my game freezes for about 5 seconds and i get connection lost every single time. So baisically on my keyboard escape is a disconect from streets shortcut
fortunately the game crashes so often I don't have to remember to restart it myself
Makes perfect sense to me that autoram cleaner would only work in the menus. Simple yet elegant solution to solving how to reduce calls during gameplay. If you're cleaning out ram during gameplay, you're losing cycles to clear it, then losing cycles while calling it back into ram. Personally, I'd only want it to clear at the menus while out of raid. I would guess this is working as intended, if nothing else I bet that's what BSG would say. . . and I can see the logic behind it.
Oh and huge thanks for going through that for us!
I agree. The overall consumption though is frankly ABSURD levels, which is why I'm thinking there's more to this then meets the eye. I've found one of the biggest sources of this (I think, I still have to test it) so keep an eye out for that video. The behavior is frankly baffling when you see the difference in my next video. (oh and also, I still have to make sure its attempting to clear when you're looting or checking your inventory too- not sure on that behaviour yet.)
Thank you for this
My pleasure friend :)
@@klemintime1452 i can now share this with my friends to show them how to fix it
Good video appreciate it now tell me about automatic room cleaner is there a certain one I need? Is there a certain when I should stay away from? I know nothing.😂
09:35
again NO.
it doesn't just suddenly work when you go into the settings.
but if you are in your settings then all of the stuff around you doesn't need to be loaded in ram. because it's not being rendered anyway. SO YOU DROP IN RAM USED!!!
you wanna know what a memory leak really is?
that's when you just finish you customs raid. and instead of unloading the customs assets. it misses that command and keeps them loaded. and now you go to interchange, and load all of those in aswel. and oops. 30gb in use by tarkov.
if you only have 16gb of ram then most of this will be on your harddisk. in the pagefile.
and that last bit of unused ram that you see. is reserved by the operating system.
how ever. those of us who actually have an amount of ram. notice that there is an increase in ram usage. litterally using twice as much ram as the game normally does. even when in the main menu screen.
and you didn't experiance this in this video. so this isn't a video about memory leaks. and this also isn't a video showing WHY ram cleaner is bad. because it's most deffinatly bad.
Nikita will now hunt you down xD
Good vid though!
Already negotiating with Homeland Security regarding my safety, don't worry lmao
Yep ram cleaner ingame option only run when u go to main menu its been like that for fiew wipes where ppl say "its useless not working option" ive been doing it every fiew min ingame this wipe it started to crash me often when doing it tho
My game crashes a ton even with a 3090 and 32 gigs of ram. I've always figured it was an outdated CPU or MOBO issue but come to think of it I'm not sure I've ever crashed in raids where I change a keybind or edit my graphics. I'll try to be in that menu more often and see if it helps
It worked, it definitely worked, doubled my fps from 40-45 with dips to 80 with dips to 65 on customs....but it only lasted 1 day.
This game is never gonna be optimized only getting worse, gotta bite the bullet and throw 3k euros on a new pc...
Great video!
This is definitely a funny issue. I have 32gb ram and a 7900 xtx which has 24gb of vram. I don’t think a memory leak is the specific cause of us randomly losing fps the more we play without restarting cause memory size doesn’t seem to be a bottleneck for me unless there is artificial limiting going on.
I still can't understand how bsg make the bug with nvidia reflex possible, when everyone on nvidia was lose 50% fps in raids. It's just technology for reducing inputlag a little, not a complete fps killer xD. They definetely take some pills when develope the game, because i can't believe that game after 6-7 years of developing still have so many technical bugs.
@@galax1t BuT ThE gAmE Is StIlL BeTA dURRRRR
Great video and a great find. Did you report to bsg?
This is what 8 years of active development looks like folks, soak it all in
Did you get to test multiple raids of Streets? Just curious if that map specifically has some issues. Any tests for VRAM? Thanks for your video! Love the in-depth look, really well made.
In the online portion, yes- one of those tests is the one that you saw in that "opening menu" clip (though I don't record for testing in almost all cases- it was to use as background footage if needed)
The ram cleaner can't be on constantly. It's a bandaid.
great vids good work bro
Interesting - so basically no restarting required, just hit Esc from time to time.
On a side note, this explains why the game shyts itself everytime one presses esc
I'm finding that 2nd or 3rd consecutive online raids drop from (offline) 80-120 fps to (online) 40-60 fps, on the same map, with ram cleaner, with purging standby (cached) ram.
Memory (ram, vram) usage and temperature remain similar enough, so I have no idea what is causing this.
So in theory we should run auto ram cleaner and enter the menu a few times during raid!?
i have a bad pc, and this may be why when i press ESC to go to the settings, the game sometimes crashes... it just kick in and overloads tarkov and crashes...
SPAGHETTI CODE at its best, hopefully this will make it easy for BSG to resolve the issue or atleast make it clear to the community how the ram cleaner works xD