2 reasons - Ghost loading is a type of administrative loading procedure for maximum shotgun capacity beyond stated maximum capacity. You set up the ghost load with the chamber round in preparation for use (normally with self defense in mind, however it can be done for hunting or PRIOR to the start of a stage in competition - check the rules and regulations for both of those). So instead of starting with 8 rounds total (7 in tube +1 in chamber) without having to reload, you have 9 rounds (excluding the process of "topping off" the magazine). 2nd reason is to maintain capacity if you set your shotgun in "cruiser ready" (also known as patrol ready) which is a full mag, nothing in the chamber, hammer down, safety on or off (depends on the firearm). For this example, this would be 7 rounds in the magazine tube only. The procedure for use would then be to hit the shell release button (which feeds a round from the magazine tube), cycle the action, safety off then fire. Ghost loading for cruiser ready, you skip the chamber round and load the ghost round. This essentially maintains 7+1 except it has a potential safety benefit of not having a round in the chamber since your theoretical chamber round is simply sitting on the lifter. The procedure for use would be cycle the action (pull charging handle back and let go), then safety off and fire; skipping the step of pressing the shell release button. This isn't something that is done after you shoot empty (run dry) and need to load as fast as possible to continue shooting (aka speed reload, emergency reload) nor is it done when you need to "top off" the magazine mid stage or during a lull in a fight.
I can appreciate this video. You showed how to do something and got to the point quickly. No fluff or filler or taking 8 mins to explain a 4 minute tutorial. Very nice.
They're far more fascinating to study than they are to shoot. The mechanics of it and the challenges in design (especially in military weapons) are a lot more interesting than the experience of actually using one. It's really loud, there's a kick, and if you're aiming right you might see a hole appear in the target. Most enjoyable aspect for me is just examining one, especially if they're shiny and have lots of stuff attached.
im just impressed how quick and short this pro tip was... and your comment section when you try to help all of the people btw im from Poland when we have restricted guns... we need more youtubers like this world will be better
Really? Poland has restrictive gun laws? I figured with how many times your country has been invaded and been to war that you guys would have pretty loose gun laws but then again I do not know your country's laws
Thank you for this very informative video and your additional helpful comments. I have the Langdon LTT 1301 and heard about "Ghost Loading" but could never really figure out what it is and how to do it. Thanks for taking the time to discuss this rarely explained topic. Also, thanks for the links on where to get parts, etc.
Cool. I once did this by accident while practicing dummy loads in my Tac-13 and found it to be a handy feature. Good to know it works on other auto shotguns. I really want to get a 1301 someday, I've heard nothing but good things about it.
I have a buch of pumps, and the 1301 was my first Semi. I regretted the price, but this thing is SO SPICY that I will never look back. Chrome lining EVERYWHERE. These damn Italians!!
You can definitely do this. I don't have a pro lifter in mine but the 1301 has no issues running like this with live ammo. I always show people this trick when they first shoot my 1301
I have a mod 2 and its very finicky about how far forward the bolt is before you can lower the lifter. The bolt has to be as far forward nearly catching the brass and then the lifter is able to lower freely. It helps speed it up by encouraging the brass to go under the bolt carrier before closing. Good luck!
That's one sexy beast. I have a shotgun that I ghost load and it takes the capacity up to 7 instead of 5. Hopefully I'll find an extension tube that fits it
Thanks guys. My new 1301 Tactical is on its way. I can't wait. In my opinion this is a little bit better home defense shotgun vs the M4. No magpul stuff for me. I like the slim factory stocks. Just the Nordic +2 , a light and an RMR. And maybe an Aridus shell holder if I can get my hands on one. Great video brother!
It'll work with the standard lifter. When Beretta released the pro-style lifter the 1301 Tactical, the biggest question a lot of people had was whether or not the pro-style lifter would prevent ghost loading due to the "nub" holding the lifter up. I, myself, initially thought it wouldn't be possible with the pro-style lifter but I was wrong.
Does it fit 7 shells in mag tube? I just got new Beretta 1301 that comes with extended mag tube from factory and advertised to fit 7 shells in mag tube but mine only fit 6 shells of 2.75 size shells.
Mine does. It's most likely ammo spec. SAAMI spec for unfired 12ga 2 3/4" can be anywhere from 2.155" to 2.450" - which is a pretty wide range. For more information on the dimensional specs, see page 20 - saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ANSI-SAAMI-Z299.2-Shotshell-2015-R2019-Approved-2019-04-23.pdf Your ammo choice could have lengths on the longer end of the specification range and thus reducing overall capacity. For example, if your unfired 12ga ammo is 2.45", you'd be maxed at 6 rounds compared to if your rounds were 2.20".
@@tihnsorfjw Sorry for the late reply, for whatever reason youtube sends alerts either extremely late or not at all. Federal Powershok, although every single 2 3/4" from Federal Flite Control, Hornady Black, to 2 3/4 birdshot has fit all 7. If you can't fit 7 in the tube, try removing the magazine spring cap retainer. Refer to th-cam.com/video/LtuOmYDbk2M/w-d-xo.html
It is an Aridus Industries QDC which is detachable and also in my opinion better than the Velcro style detachable elastic cards. I've used those before and excessive dried plant leaves (like grass) and mud will make the the cards not stick well. Simple fix is to just clean it but I rather not deal with it. Only issue (so far after 2 years and many carrier drops/changes) with the Aridus QDC is cost and weight.
Why bother with such a short mag tube, get a decent length tube and fill it up then if you need to ghost load it. Cut the receiver and learn to quad load. The 1301 is a good gun but why fuck it up with a red dot, just put some effort into learning to shoot.
@Colin I think you're mistaking this 1301 Tactical (a 18.5" shotgun with ghost ring sights, optic, side saddle, and serial number where the magazine loading port is, which also happens to have a stage saver) for a gen 2 1301 Comp (which I also have) and what the intentions for this particular firearm is versus what most (myself included) would use a 1301 Comp for.
Just switched to the stay open lifter using your great tutorial(THANK YOU), did function check with dummy shells - all good. But no luck with the ghost loading. Pushing the shell down, bolt doesn’t go forward… Any suggestions?
Only a couple of things I can think of is the rim of the shell is catching on the underside of the bolt/bolt carrier. If that's the case you can use the charging handle as a forward assist and give it a little nudge to get it moving. If it's not moving forward because it's locked to the rear (like it would be on empty), this would most likely mean you pulled the charging handle back too far to the rear.
Excellent, exactly correct video! I am able to confidently load the nine snapcaps, though there are still little ways to slip up. Have you done this with live rounds yet? It would help to know how that went. I feel there is a slight danger in the round following the chambered round while loading and advancing the bolt over it. Wouldn’t want a sharp edge or piece of the bolt to press against the primer while sliding over it. Also, thank you for providing 3 minutes of info in three minutes and not 30 or 60 like many videos.
Yup, #7.5 and #8 birdshot (Herters, Federal, Monarch, Winchester, Clever T1), 9 pellet 00 Federal Power-Shok Buckshot, D.Dupleks Dupo 28 slugs, no issues with any of those. I've tested it in all seasons with air temps having been as low as -8*F up to just below 90*F in rain, sunshine and snow/ice. Lubrication of choice is ALG Go-Juice and ALG 0000 Grease. If it was a problem, feeding from the magazine tube in a normal function would also be a problem as it launches out of the tube, part of the shotgun base impacts two a protruding surface that is part of the trigger guard. There shouldn't be any issue with the following round catching a sharp edge because the lifter itself has a "rails" (for a lack of a better term) to keep the shell centered on the lifter so an off angle hit is less likely. The primer slightly recessed (a few thou) below flush in properly made ammo also helps prevents this scenario. Basically, a person would have to be seriously unlucky for it to happen. I also can't guarantee that ghost loading is reliable for everyone as people have had bad experiences with the 1301 from factory. My 1301s were purchased pre-COVID and there are a fair amount of covid era production 1301s that left the factory with improperly made shell release latches and other issues. Also have to mention that people have different ways of maintaining their firearm which may play a role in reliability (might not work well with your lubrication of choice for example). Summary - I'll always recommend that people test it out on their specific shotgun and ammo choice to see if it's reliable.
Thank you for the fast response. I will practice a little more with the snapcaps, and then start keeping it loaded with 9, as this is my #1 home defense go to. Thanks again for such a clear, informative, concise post.
Don't quote me on this but I learned magazine springs don't lose tension from being compressed, only from the cycle of compressed & depressed... so theoretically, you should be able to store mags to full capacity and they will maintain their spring tension indefinitely until cycled repeatedly 🤷🏽♂️
When you place the shell onto the lifter, the rim of the shell itself blocks the shell latch assembly (Part# C8C567) from being able to pivot and release a round from the tube. If you were to push the lifter all the down (until the edge of the lifter sits below the corresponding flat surface of the shell latch) without the "ghost" round or without a way to prevent the pivoting of the latch, a round will be released from the tube.
@@Evintos that’s incredible, appreciate the reply! I’m looking to get the a300 patrol now, but this was on my wishlist. Might still go for the 1301 if price diff is less than 400
@@NickGuzelian I don't think you can go wrong with either. The A300 operating system has been around since the late 1980's and continuously refined by Beretta all these years and was the former premier Beretta gas operated semi-auto operating design until the BLINK gas system was developed. There's a video out there by a Beretta manager or rep at SHOT show that stated the pro-lifter should be compatible. Looking at the parts numbering and compatibility between 1301 and A300 Outlander, it should be compatible with A300 Ultima but no guarantee until someone tries.
@@Evintos I’m totally new to shotguns I’ll admit. It’s going to be my first shotgun. I’ve always defaulted to rifles, but am now interested to take the dive. So when you talk about pro-lifter compatibility, I must confess I don’t grasp the significance, is it regarding ghost-loadability?
@@NickGuzelian You'll still be able to ghost load without the pro-lifter. The pro-lifter is a Beretta factory aftermarket accessory that was first introduced in the 1301 Pro Comp shotgun that has what is commonly called the "nub." This nub positions the lifter in the "upwards" position which creates a giant funnel that allows for easier loading of the shotgun (single, twins or quads) since you don't have to fight against spring tension and push against the lifter in order to load rounds into the tube. Around when I made this ghost load video, Beretta released the 3" version of this lifter (for the Tactical) whereas previously it was only available for the 1301 Comp (3.5" receiver version). It is arguably one of the best "upgrades" available for the 1301 shotgun and while unfortunate that it wasn't standard for the A300 Ultima Patrol, compatibility is promising. Combining the receiver cut of the A300 Ultima Patrol with the Pro-lifter should make reloading near impossible to fumble. Video link that shows the difference between the two. th-cam.com/video/oATmZ1Zr2ZA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TimEvart
As instructed by the USMC - well that's good enough for me. All complainers and non-hackers can stfu. . Drop the bolt release while mounting from the low ready then go to work. Cruiser-ready! Safe and fast. My 1301 isnt even at the FFL yet and TH-cam has me buying about 5 Benjamins worth of accessories!!!
i just picked up on of these trying you method when i load the round on to the lifter and push down it will not let the bolt go home?? does being able to do this require yo to have a pro lifter ?? help please, thanks
It will work with the standard lifter as well. Usually if the bolt isn't going home, it's because the charging handle is being pulled back too far. You only want to pull back far enough so the front of the bolt face is inline with or a little bit in front of the ejection port. If it ended up locked to the rear while trying to ghost load, you'll have to hit the bolt release button while holding the round on the lifter down and easing the bolt forward.
Parts are from www.aridusindustries.com/ ASA-1301 Stock Adapter which utilizes the Magpul SGA Mossberg stock (sold separately). This stock/adapter combo was absolutely worth the price since the OEM Beretta stock was way too short (in both LOP and comb height) for me even with a squared off stance and thick winter clothing. 1301 Handguard Assembly (which they modify a Magpul Zhukov handguard and have an milled aluminum adapter piece in order to make it work).
So this is the most complicated way to ghost load. I just got my 1301 and learned you can just chamber a round and load the tube. Then load another into the tube and it will not fully seat into the tube, but with a little push on the rim with your fingertip it will take the tension off the ramp and allow it to drop and the unseated round will shoot onto the ramp under the closed bolt. BAM! Ya got 8 rounds in the gun and it functions like this perfectly.
That way works for a stock out of the box gun. With a tube extender on that way may not work. I have a plus 5, but I bird hunt with it and instead of taking the tube off, I have a custom length plug in. I have it cut to where the 3rd shell will only go a 1/4 of the way in. So I have to ghost load the way he showed in the video.
Yeah I actually later realized I wasn't getting the 7th round in the tube and I had to remove the plastic spring retainer and let the spring sit on the tube extension itself. This allowed for about 1/8" to 3/16" more space inside for that last round and so my method no longer works. Seems my stock gun has a spring slightly too long or something.
I target focus when using red dots and I keep both eyes open. The front sight basically becomes translucent and not really noticable unless I shift visual focus.
One exercise you can try without having to use up ammo is a "ready up" drill. Turn the brightness up higher than you normally would will help in the beginning. Start at low ready, look at a target on a wall (a light switch works) and bring the shotgun up as quickly as possible. As soon as you even see your target glowing red you can dry fire or simply lower back down and repeat. The trick is to not move your eye ball downwards to look through the red dot (as you're bringing it up) or follow the dot to target but to keep your eyes steady on target as you move your arms/firearm/red dot to your eyes. Eventually you'll hit a point where the front sight becomes less and less noticeable.
If youre gonna do a full size red dot go with Aridus. If you want to do a pistol red dot go with Mesa Tacticals SureShell. The red dot mount and the side saddle are all one piece and you can choose aluminum or polymer.
Inside the magazine tube there is a small black magazine cap that acts like a spring retainer that can be removed. All that retainer does is prevent the spring from launching into your eye when you remove the screw cap. Try removing this to see if that solves the issue. (Beretta part# C59944) In addition, something to note is that not all 2 3/4 or 3" shells are the same length. For more information about lengths of ammo for 12ga, see page 20 of the SAAMI specifications saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ANSI-SAAMI-Z299.2-Shotshell-2015-R2019-Approved-2019-04-23.pdf There is a wide range for unfired lengths that are still in spec for 12ga.
@@Evintos thanks for the suggestion. I didn’t realize that small, black mag tube plug was optional. I’ll give it a try. I did upgrade the OEM Beretta flat-faced silver follower to the low drag, red Nordic one, but it shouldn’t be much longer to prevent me from loading +1 round.
@@Evintos removing the small black magazine cap as you've suggested addressed the issue. As an initial test, it now fit and properly cycled 7x Fiocchi dummy rounds from the magazine.
My Supersport has a deterrent to ghost load but it can be overridden, not sure if it is safe or if primer on ghost shell could be subject to recoil impact in that position?
I'm not familiar with the Benelli Supersport however it's not likely the primer would be impacted. If there was a chance of that happening, there would also be a chance of it happening in normal operation when your shot shell "launches" out of the magazine tube onto your lifter for every round. Your trigger guard has a protrusion/horn (above the rear of the lifter) that acts as a shell stop that prevents the shell from launching too far rearward and into your trigger components (hammer, etc.). That protrusion has empty space in the middle to prevent contact with the primer but still allows contact of the rest of the shell base. Images of how a round sits on a lifter on 1301, however it'd essentially be the same as a Benelli and many other magazine tube fed semi-auto shotguns. imgur.com/gzLzzNP imgur.com/aOfn1yK The potential issue is possible feed or ejection malfunction as there is extra friction/pressure from the ghost round pushing onto the bottom of your bolt carrier. If the bottom of your bolt carrier isn't smooth (lots of sharp edges) this can also increase malfunction chances. I believe the Supersport has a couple of grooved slots machined into the bottom of the bolt carrier and while this wouldn't detonate the primer, it can catch the rim and cause a jam (still wouldn't hit the primer). Malfunction potential can also increase with certain ammo due to manufacturing differences in shell length, hull material, etc. I recommend trying dummy rounds to see if you can hand cycle the action to load the ghost. If it jams on hand cycling, then there's a high chance of it not working in live fire.
@@Evintos you have to use a filler on the bolt to get it to ghost,I have no interest in,good info you have there,I have never heard of a safety issue ghosting Benellis,and you know every tacti tard with one does it alot....
Aridus CROM T1 mount with a Vortex Crossfire CF-RD2. No issues with dot failure or blinking or loss of zero and it's had 4 hits on it. Knocked off a table at the range and landed on the red dot twice ( 2 1/2 ft drop) and the other two times was when the shotgun was stood vertically against a range table and tipped over. Ground was a mix of hardpacked dirt with some bits of gravel.
From the manufacturer - www.aridusindustries.com/products/universal-quick-detach-carrier/ www.aridusindustries.com/product-category/qdc/ For the 1301 - the universal is the correct one. Also check retailers such as BigTex below, since they tend to sell out fast, everywhere. www.bigtexordnance.com/product/aridus-industries-detachable-carrier-remington-mossberg-universal/
A device on your rig is holding one round just ahead of the chamber in a "match-saver" like device. It does not appear to be the match-saver product, however. What is the make and model. Thanks!
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs) back when Ebay still offered those $5 off $10+ purchases discount codes. You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/ Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
Not all pump actions would work (Mossberg 500/590 for example). It also depends on the shape of the lifter. For the 870 for example, you need a little free play in the magazine tube since the ghost load fits slightly inside the tube. Also, ghost loading pumps may make it harder to pump the initial cycle (as it did on mine) due to the added pressure from the ghost round. Only way to know is to give it a try.
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier. Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/ Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
I bought mine directly from Beretta USA but it seems as though they removed the page. Beretta EU still has it - estore.beretta.com/en-eu/pro-elevator-for-semiauto-3-0-12ga/ as well as this retailer - magload.co.uk/product/beretta-semi-auto-lifter-lifter-hold-down/ Not sure which ones will ship the US.
It might work. I know it works reliably for my 870 (built in 2008). Not sure if it'll work on really old Remington 870's or 870 clones. You'll have to try it with your ammo/870 combo and see if it works. 870 tolerances were all over the place when Remington was owned by Cerberus Capital Management/Freedom Group (which is why they went bankrupt) so it might not work for you. Things to note - as far as I know though it only works with 870's with the Flex Tab/Flexitab system - www.rem870.com/2017/05/26/what-is-remington-870-flexitab-system-parts-differences-identification/ 2nd - the ghost load partially inserts into the magazine tube as it's sitting on the lifter so you actually need a bit of free space available once the magazine tube is full. If you don't have enough, it won't be possible. 3rd - it requires noticeably more force for the initial pump with the ghost load. Lastly, it's a tad more tricky to set up a ghost load on an 870 than on semi-auto shotguns, mostly because of how the lifter is shaped. This is the video I watched a long time ago on how to do it. th-cam.com/video/pUHPwB-8JKg/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video, just got mine a couple of weeks ago and looking forward to taking it to the range. This video was very helpful but wondering if you could help out why I'm only able to load 6+1 when it's supposed to be 7+1? Any help??
th-cam.com/video/LtuOmYDbk2M/w-d-xo.html Check out that vid. The plastic spring cap may be the issue or it may be due to the ammo you're using. Check description in the linked video for info related to 12ga ammo as well. Hope this helps.
For my handguard, it is secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The bolt for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier. Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). Use velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. i.imgur.com/cgANVJR.jpg i.imgur.com/BOkKvCG.jpg Now as for the stock forend, you'd have to use 2 screws to secure it. The 2 screws would work to prevent the type of rotation that a single MLOK set wouldn't. Depending on the screw length, you would have to shorten the screws to prevent rubbing on the carrier rod. You can utilize a single screw plus velcro if you want to initially find the optimal feed angle for your hand motion, then secure the final position using one more screw.
Sorry, unfortunately I don't have another MLOK nut/bolt set to modify. Hopefully these two pics help you visualize what I did. i.imgur.com/cgANVJR.jpg i.imgur.com/BOkKvCG.jpg
I recommend so with every new firearm only so you can inspect to see if there were any parts damaged from the factory that was missed during QC checks or damage from shipping that you didn't notice when picking it up from the FFL. I field strip, check for cracks, burrs, and finish wear then make a mental note (take pictures if necessary) of anything that I would deem out of the ordinary. Wipe clean any factory lubricant or anti-seize and use my normal lubricant of choice (ALG Go Juice and Grease) on any metal on metal moving parts, then head to the range and shoot. After that, field strip, clean and inspect again to look for anything out of the ordinary. If there were any micro cracks in any of the parts that couldn't be seen with the naked eye, the parts either would've broken or the cracks grown to a visible size within the first couple hundred rounds.
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier. Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/ i.imgur.com/cgANVJR.jpg i.imgur.com/BOkKvCG.jpg
No it does not. The "fatal flaw" issue (shell dump/double feed) is not present on the 2nd generation 1301 with the redesigned bolt release. Gen 2's came onto the market around mid to late 2018 so most Gen 1's if not all Gen 1's you'll find are on the used market. To resolve the issue for the 1st generation style bolt release, you'll need either part #EU00074 1301 Bolt Shroud kit from Beretta USA (made of polymer, $10 USD) or Aridus Industries YT-1301 Latch and Shroud (aluminum, I think like $67 USD). What the pro style lifter does is keeps the lifter up and out of the way and essentially creates a giant loading funnel. If you have experience with the Mossberg 500/590 series of shotguns, think of it like that. You don't have to push the lifter out of the way to feed rounds into the magazine tube. This also eliminates the chance of getting your thumb jammed on the lifter when you're loading rounds quickly.
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier. Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/ Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
None. The only "load" present in the ghost load/carrier down position is the compression of part #C95323 "Carrier Catch Plunger Spring." Some people are worried about having spring fatigue/wear from leaving them in a compressed state, however, springs wear out from cycles of compression/extension. The carrier catch plunger spring experiences more fatigue in firing cycles due to way it normally operates (hammer retracts carrier catch plunger as it swings forward to strike the firing pin, which compresses the plunger spring, which allows the carrier to drop down to receive a round from the magazine tube, etc.).
@@Evintos cool, thanks for the follow up... imma try that button on the lifter to work towards a select a slug drill with this gun... or at the very least, a bolt drop to lock the action back without dropping the firing pin
@@chef.papa.6tango523 For a select a slug drill, if you hit the button on the lifter and there was a round in the mag tube, it'd feed a round from the tube. You'd either have to load the slug into the magazine tube, hit the button (to release a round from the tube), cycle the action (to eject chamber round and load lifter round), or you do the two handed swap where you hold the charging handle to the rear and load a slug through the ejection port. If you don't pull the trigger, cycling the action won't load a round from the tube.
Hey sir, what is that extra round holder? I’m sorry I don’t what it’s called, it’s the thing that holds the round you put in when the bolt locks back. Do you have a name for it? And a link?
It's most commonly called a Matchsaver but is also known as a shell caddy. The one in this vid is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier. Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/ Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
Why not use the S tac Velcro cards? Seems like they’ve surpassed sidesaddles in basically every way. They’re smaller, lighter and cheaper, with extra cards it’s super fast to rip off the empty and slap 5-8 fresh shells on your gun, they even fit any pocket or pouch that’s designed to AR mags. They also don’t break if you drop your piece or bang into something hard. The only way to wear them out is just regular wear and tear on the soft side of the Velcro, which is easily fixed by spending like literally 10 bucks for a fresh one.
www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-choke-tube-optimachoke-hp-ported-edition-12-ga/ I use the OCHP Ported Improved Cylinder however ammunition will dictate what choke tube constriction gives you the best results.
@@Evintos I'm guessing you're using the "CL" SKU? I'll be shooting low-recoil NSI 00 Buck at the range and Hornady Critical Defense high-velocity for HD.
@@pbdye1607 I'm using Improved Cylinder (IC) with Federal Powershok 9 Pellet 00 Buckshot 2 3/4. If I remember correctly, the Hornady Critical Defense will pattern better with Cylinder (due to the way the wad is designed, which is similar to Federal Flight control). The Nobel Sport on the other hand may pattern better with a tighter choke tube like Modified or Improved modified. Unfortunately no way to tell unless you test it out on your particular 1301. Even the same model shotgun will exhibit different patterns.
@@Evintos Also, seems it's a good thing I checked beforehand. My 2021-build 1301T seemingly does NOT have threads for a choke. Strangely enough, it came with a choke tool, but guiding a plastic straw down the barrel, and double-checking with a bore light, I couldn't see any evidence of threads.
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier. Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs) back when Ebay still offered those $5 off $10+ purchases discount codes. You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/ Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
2 3/4". The dummy rounds used in the vid have a length of 2.34". For more information about lengths of ammo for 12ga, see page 20 of the SAAMI specifications saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ANSI-SAAMI-Z299.2-Shotshell-2015-R2019-Approved-2019-04-23.pdf There is a wide range for unfired lengths that are still in spec for 12ga.
I bought mine directly from www.berettausa.com/en-us/3-lifter-1301-tac-pro-sty-1301/c7c940/ Only other place I know of that sells it is Beretta EU website but it's also out of stock.
I got them from Brownells. They were Brownells rebrand of the Fiocchi 12ga Dummy rounds in a 25ct per box. The Fiocchi brand is available at various different retailers but the Brownells rebrand version is no longer available. Amazon and Ebay also has the "B's Dry Fire Snap Caps Dummy 12 Gauge" which comes in different colors.
Its such an improvement to loading, like butter. Unfortunately it doesn't clear the release so you still need to slightly press up on it to eject rounds.
www.langdontactical.com/ltt-1301-shotgun/ Langdon Tactical is the place to go to buy it preassembled. I assembled mine buying individual parts before they offered this. If you want the pro style lifter, that's separate and available at Beretta USA. The optic will also be separate (mine is a Vortex Crossfire CFRD2 however any optic with a Aimpoint T1/T2 foot print will fit the mount).
just curiouse , why would you do this?
2 reasons - Ghost loading is a type of administrative loading procedure for maximum shotgun capacity beyond stated maximum capacity. You set up the ghost load with the chamber round in preparation for use (normally with self defense in mind, however it can be done for hunting or PRIOR to the start of a stage in competition - check the rules and regulations for both of those). So instead of starting with 8 rounds total (7 in tube +1 in chamber) without having to reload, you have 9 rounds (excluding the process of "topping off" the magazine).
2nd reason is to maintain capacity if you set your shotgun in "cruiser ready" (also known as patrol ready) which is a full mag, nothing in the chamber, hammer down, safety on or off (depends on the firearm). For this example, this would be 7 rounds in the magazine tube only. The procedure for use would then be to hit the shell release button (which feeds a round from the magazine tube), cycle the action, safety off then fire.
Ghost loading for cruiser ready, you skip the chamber round and load the ghost round. This essentially maintains 7+1 except it has a potential safety benefit of not having a round in the chamber since your theoretical chamber round is simply sitting on the lifter. The procedure for use would be cycle the action (pull charging handle back and let go), then safety off and fire; skipping the step of pressing the shell release button.
This isn't something that is done after you shoot empty (run dry) and need to load as fast as possible to continue shooting (aka speed reload, emergency reload) nor is it done when you need to "top off" the magazine mid stage or during a lull in a fight.
we've seen all your beautiful guns now we want to see you use them against those animals terrorising your beautiful country
Quick question what scope are you running looks nice and perfect size too great video by the way 👍✌
@@matthewpowderly2422 It is a Vortex Crossfire red dot (model CF-RD2)
@@Evintos Awesome bro thanks for the reply HAPPY 4rth OF JULY 👍✌🎆 🇺🇸
I can appreciate this video. You showed how to do something and got to the point quickly. No fluff or filler or taking 8 mins to explain a 4 minute tutorial. Very nice.
im 24 and never shot a gun in my life, but i find these gun channels really fascinating. especially demo ranch and hikock 😂
Move somewhere 2a friendly and buy a gun?
They're far more fascinating to study than they are to shoot. The mechanics of it and the challenges in design (especially in military weapons) are a lot more interesting than the experience of actually using one. It's really loud, there's a kick, and if you're aiming right you might see a hole appear in the target. Most enjoyable aspect for me is just examining one, especially if they're shiny and have lots of stuff attached.
@@mandrakevermilyea7488 im from South East Asia and the gun laws here are very different, and its expensive as hell
@@dewdew80 yeah i hope i have a chance to own one soon
Watch Garand Thumb too!!!
Good video; under 3 minutes and right to the point where other YT videos are 10+ min because they gotta tell you their life story first.
Clear, concise, and professional. How every tutorial should be. I wish you a lot of future subs.
Meanwhile me getting recommended millions of useful videos like these, And i'm still suffering from something called: "Not owning a gun"
great
Same
I just got my 1301 comp. Went out in the countryside and couldn’t figure this out. Can home and watched this! Thank you!
im just impressed how quick and short this pro tip was...
and your comment section when you try to help all of the people
btw im from Poland when we have restricted guns...
we need more youtubers like this world will be better
Really? Poland has restrictive gun laws? I figured with how many times your country has been invaded and been to war that you guys would have pretty loose gun laws but then again I do not know your country's laws
Never ghost loaded before this tutuorial
Myself and my LTT 1301 with the pro loader thank you!
Thank you for this very informative video and your additional helpful comments. I have the Langdon LTT 1301 and heard about "Ghost Loading" but could never really figure out what it is and how to do it. Thanks for taking the time to discuss this rarely explained topic. Also, thanks for the links on where to get parts, etc.
Cool. I once did this by accident while practicing dummy loads in my Tac-13 and found it to be a handy feature. Good to know it works on other auto shotguns. I really want to get a 1301 someday, I've heard nothing but good things about it.
I have a buch of pumps, and the 1301 was my first Semi. I regretted the price, but this thing is SO SPICY that I will never look back. Chrome lining EVERYWHERE. These damn Italians!!
You can definitely do this. I don't have a pro lifter in mine but the 1301 has no issues running like this with live ammo. I always show people this trick when they first shoot my 1301
Excellent video. Thanks for doing the 1301 Tactical videos we owners need… 👍
Bravo, straight to the point no BS.
Thanks for sharing this hack.
Awesome! I was told I could not do this with the mod2… I just got mine yesterday… I did this and it worked. Thank you!
Well done. Succinct and to the point.
So you could leave it "cruiser ready" with 8 rounds, i.e., empty chamber, full magazine, and one resting on the lifter. Awesome!
I have a mod 2 and its very finicky about how far forward the bolt is before you can lower the lifter. The bolt has to be as far forward nearly catching the brass and then the lifter is able to lower freely. It helps speed it up by encouraging the brass to go under the bolt carrier before closing. Good luck!
Beautiful!
That's one sexy beast. I have a shotgun that I ghost load and it takes the capacity up to 7 instead of 5. Hopefully I'll find an extension tube that fits it
flawless
Thanks guys. My new 1301 Tactical is on its way. I can't wait. In my opinion this is a little bit better home defense shotgun vs the M4. No magpul stuff for me. I like the slim factory stocks. Just the Nordic +2 , a light and an RMR. And maybe an Aridus shell holder if I can get my hands on one. Great video brother!
I don't have a pro-style lifter on mine, so I'm gonna see if this works without it when I get home from this work trip in a couple days.
It'll work with the standard lifter. When Beretta released the pro-style lifter the 1301 Tactical, the biggest question a lot of people had was whether or not the pro-style lifter would prevent ghost loading due to the "nub" holding the lifter up. I, myself, initially thought it wouldn't be possible with the pro-style lifter but I was wrong.
You can literally go to the Aridus YT channel where he twin loads with the stock lifter.
@@hall0ween138 yes
Does it fit 7 shells in mag tube? I just got new Beretta 1301 that comes with extended mag tube from factory and advertised to fit 7 shells in mag tube but mine only fit 6 shells of 2.75 size shells.
Mine does. It's most likely ammo spec. SAAMI spec for unfired 12ga 2 3/4" can be anywhere from 2.155" to 2.450" - which is a pretty wide range.
For more information on the dimensional specs, see page 20 -
saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ANSI-SAAMI-Z299.2-Shotshell-2015-R2019-Approved-2019-04-23.pdf
Your ammo choice could have lengths on the longer end of the specification range and thus reducing overall capacity. For example, if your unfired 12ga ammo is 2.45", you'd be maxed at 6 rounds compared to if your rounds were 2.20".
Evintos, what 2 3/4 00 buck shells you using to fit all 7 in the tube?
@@tihnsorfjw Sorry for the late reply, for whatever reason youtube sends alerts either extremely late or not at all. Federal Powershok, although every single 2 3/4" from Federal Flite Control, Hornady Black, to 2 3/4 birdshot has fit all 7. If you can't fit 7 in the tube, try removing the magazine spring cap retainer. Refer to th-cam.com/video/LtuOmYDbk2M/w-d-xo.html
Gotta love that gun, excellent set-up, beautiful. I wouldn't feel safe doing this with real shells, but interesting video. Great gun!
I saw you’re using a shell holder on the shotgun have you thought of using a detachable one
It is an Aridus Industries QDC which is detachable and also in my opinion better than the Velcro style detachable elastic cards. I've used those before and excessive dried plant leaves (like grass) and mud will make the the cards not stick well. Simple fix is to just clean it but I rather not deal with it. Only issue (so far after 2 years and many carrier drops/changes) with the Aridus QDC is cost and weight.
It's just a stage saver, obviously not shot IPSC shotgun
Why bother with such a short mag tube, get a decent length tube and fill it up then if you need to ghost load it. Cut the receiver and learn to quad load. The 1301 is a good gun but why fuck it up with a red dot, just put some effort into learning to shoot.
And take that pointless shell holder off the receiver ot looks pants.
@Colin I think you're mistaking this 1301 Tactical (a 18.5" shotgun with ghost ring sights, optic, side saddle, and serial number where the magazine loading port is, which also happens to have a stage saver) for a gen 2 1301 Comp (which I also have) and what the intentions for this particular firearm is versus what most (myself included) would use a 1301 Comp for.
Just switched to the stay open lifter using your great tutorial(THANK YOU), did function check with dummy shells - all good. But no luck with the ghost loading. Pushing the shell down, bolt doesn’t go forward… Any suggestions?
Only a couple of things I can think of is the rim of the shell is catching on the underside of the bolt/bolt carrier. If that's the case you can use the charging handle as a forward assist and give it a little nudge to get it moving. If it's not moving forward because it's locked to the rear (like it would be on empty), this would most likely mean you pulled the charging handle back too far to the rear.
Evintos You’re a genius, and I’m not. LOL. I surely locked the bolt all the way to the back. Thanks again!
Great video. I swear when i was watching your video. You sound like another u tuber i watch inappropriate reefer. Guns and fish love the combo
Excellent video. Professional.
Excellent, exactly correct video! I am able to confidently load the nine snapcaps, though there are still little ways to slip up. Have you done this with live rounds yet? It would help to know how that went. I feel there is a slight danger in the round following the chambered round while loading and advancing the bolt over it. Wouldn’t want a sharp edge or piece of the bolt to press against the primer while sliding over it. Also, thank you for providing 3 minutes of info in three minutes and not 30 or 60 like many videos.
Yup, #7.5 and #8 birdshot (Herters, Federal, Monarch, Winchester, Clever T1), 9 pellet 00 Federal Power-Shok Buckshot, D.Dupleks Dupo 28 slugs, no issues with any of those. I've tested it in all seasons with air temps having been as low as -8*F up to just below 90*F in rain, sunshine and snow/ice. Lubrication of choice is ALG Go-Juice and ALG 0000 Grease.
If it was a problem, feeding from the magazine tube in a normal function would also be a problem as it launches out of the tube, part of the shotgun base impacts two a protruding surface that is part of the trigger guard. There shouldn't be any issue with the following round catching a sharp edge because the lifter itself has a "rails" (for a lack of a better term) to keep the shell centered on the lifter so an off angle hit is less likely. The primer slightly recessed (a few thou) below flush in properly made ammo also helps prevents this scenario. Basically, a person would have to be seriously unlucky for it to happen.
I also can't guarantee that ghost loading is reliable for everyone as people have had bad experiences with the 1301 from factory. My 1301s were purchased pre-COVID and there are a fair amount of covid era production 1301s that left the factory with improperly made shell release latches and other issues. Also have to mention that people have different ways of maintaining their firearm which may play a role in reliability (might not work well with your lubrication of choice for example).
Summary - I'll always recommend that people test it out on their specific shotgun and ammo choice to see if it's reliable.
Thank you for the fast response. I will practice a little more with the snapcaps, and then start keeping it loaded with 9, as this is my #1 home defense go to. Thanks again for such a clear, informative, concise post.
its a nice way for more cap, but i prefer 6 in the mag and one on the Lifter for storage ( so chamber empty and spring not in full tension )
Don't quote me on this but I learned magazine springs don't lose tension from being compressed, only from the cycle of compressed & depressed... so theoretically, you should be able to store mags to full capacity and they will maintain their spring tension indefinitely until cycled repeatedly 🤷🏽♂️
Well-presented.
How come the shell release didn't release a shell from the tube, though? at 1:25?
When you place the shell onto the lifter, the rim of the shell itself blocks the shell latch assembly (Part# C8C567) from being able to pivot and release a round from the tube.
If you were to push the lifter all the down (until the edge of the lifter sits below the corresponding flat surface of the shell latch) without the "ghost" round or without a way to prevent the pivoting of the latch, a round will be released from the tube.
@@Evintos that’s incredible, appreciate the reply! I’m looking to get the a300 patrol now, but this was on my wishlist. Might still go for the 1301 if price diff is less than 400
@@NickGuzelian I don't think you can go wrong with either. The A300 operating system has been around since the late 1980's and continuously refined by Beretta all these years and was the former premier Beretta gas operated semi-auto operating design until the BLINK gas system was developed.
There's a video out there by a Beretta manager or rep at SHOT show that stated the pro-lifter should be compatible. Looking at the parts numbering and compatibility between 1301 and A300 Outlander, it should be compatible with A300 Ultima but no guarantee until someone tries.
@@Evintos I’m totally new to shotguns I’ll admit. It’s going to be my first shotgun. I’ve always defaulted to rifles, but am now interested to take the dive. So when you talk about pro-lifter compatibility, I must confess I don’t grasp the significance, is it regarding ghost-loadability?
@@NickGuzelian You'll still be able to ghost load without the pro-lifter.
The pro-lifter is a Beretta factory aftermarket accessory that was first introduced in the 1301 Pro Comp shotgun that has what is commonly called the "nub." This nub positions the lifter in the "upwards" position which creates a giant funnel that allows for easier loading of the shotgun (single, twins or quads) since you don't have to fight against spring tension and push against the lifter in order to load rounds into the tube.
Around when I made this ghost load video, Beretta released the 3" version of this lifter (for the Tactical) whereas previously it was only available for the 1301 Comp (3.5" receiver version). It is arguably one of the best "upgrades" available for the 1301 shotgun and while unfortunate that it wasn't standard for the A300 Ultima Patrol, compatibility is promising. Combining the receiver cut of the A300 Ultima Patrol with the Pro-lifter should make reloading near impossible to fumble.
Video link that shows the difference between the two.
th-cam.com/video/oATmZ1Zr2ZA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TimEvart
As instructed by the USMC - well that's good enough for me. All complainers and non-hackers can stfu. . Drop the bolt release while mounting from the low ready then go to work. Cruiser-ready! Safe and fast. My 1301 isnt even at the FFL yet and TH-cam has me buying about 5 Benjamins worth of accessories!!!
You have 10 rounds with that match saver. That is a Southern wall of Lead
i just picked up on of these trying you method when i load the round on to the lifter and push down it will not let the bolt go home??
does being able to do this require yo to have a pro lifter ?? help please, thanks
GOT IT ? THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE INFO
It will work with the standard lifter as well. Usually if the bolt isn't going home, it's because the charging handle is being pulled back too far. You only want to pull back far enough so the front of the bolt face is inline with or a little bit in front of the ejection port. If it ended up locked to the rear while trying to ghost load, you'll have to hit the bolt release button while holding the round on the lifter down and easing the bolt forward.
I'm waiting for mine to be delivered
Clean breakdown bro!!
I did this with my 930 years ago, my brother thought I did some witchcraft at first, lol
Great vid. What furniture have you for on the shotgun
Parts are from www.aridusindustries.com/ ASA-1301 Stock Adapter which utilizes the Magpul SGA Mossberg stock (sold separately). This stock/adapter combo was absolutely worth the price since the OEM Beretta stock was way too short (in both LOP and comb height) for me even with a squared off stance and thick winter clothing. 1301 Handguard Assembly (which they modify a Magpul Zhukov handguard and have an milled aluminum adapter piece in order to make it work).
I love my mossberg and the mini buckshot rounds I have. I can hold 11+1 with the mini rounds.
So this is the most complicated way to ghost load. I just got my 1301 and learned you can just chamber a round and load the tube. Then load another into the tube and it will not fully seat into the tube, but with a little push on the rim with your fingertip it will take the tension off the ramp and allow it to drop and the unseated round will shoot onto the ramp under the closed bolt. BAM! Ya got 8 rounds in the gun and it functions like this perfectly.
That way works for a stock out of the box gun. With a tube extender on that way may not work. I have a plus 5, but I bird hunt with it and instead of taking the tube off, I have a custom length plug in. I have it cut to where the 3rd shell will only go a 1/4 of the way in. So I have to ghost load the way he showed in the video.
Yeah I actually later realized I wasn't getting the 7th round in the tube and I had to remove the plastic spring retainer and let the spring sit on the tube extension itself. This allowed for about 1/8" to 3/16" more space inside for that last round and so my method no longer works. Seems my stock gun has a spring slightly too long or something.
If you are using 3" rounds like when I do in bear territory then this won't work. For a 2 3/4 it will work, so still good advice...
Thats alot of work for that +1 Plus.
Pretty sure he can do it faster than this, all you need is practice.
stupid question. can you ghost load without having 1 round in the chamber?
Yes you can. It's called cruiser ready or patrol ready. The steps is the same except leave out that chamber round.
@@Evintos Great! Thanks!
I now want that shotgun - thanks man. TH-cam keeps making me add to my collection lol
Do you find the front blade sight is super annoying with the red dot??
I target focus when using red dots and I keep both eyes open. The front sight basically becomes translucent and not really noticable unless I shift visual focus.
@@Evintos I’m having a hell of a time not getting distracted by it. Guess I just need to get used to it and practic3 more.
One exercise you can try without having to use up ammo is a "ready up" drill. Turn the brightness up higher than you normally would will help in the beginning. Start at low ready, look at a target on a wall (a light switch works) and bring the shotgun up as quickly as possible. As soon as you even see your target glowing red you can dry fire or simply lower back down and repeat. The trick is to not move your eye ball downwards to look through the red dot (as you're bringing it up) or follow the dot to target but to keep your eyes steady on target as you move your arms/firearm/red dot to your eyes. Eventually you'll hit a point where the front sight becomes less and less noticeable.
@@Evintos makes sense, thank you
Your videos are always excellent. Thanks…
Sweet thanks man.
Hi there! What kind of shell holder do you have on your 1301 and where did you buy it?
It is an Aridus Industries Universal Q-DC. You can buy directly from them or from some of Aridus' retailers.
If youre gonna do a full size red dot go with Aridus. If you want to do a pistol red dot go with Mesa Tacticals SureShell. The red dot mount and the side saddle are all one piece and you can choose aluminum or polymer.
I really liked this video. Can you please show us your style or twin loading, if you do such thing.
th-cam.com/video/NK0kYgEUPRk/w-d-xo.html
Give it a try. The technique might work for you or it might not. Note, I did not come up with this technique.
Same gun. I can’t fit 7x dummy rounds that are 2.75 inch in the tube. Seems to fit 6 and almost a 7th but not.
Inside the magazine tube there is a small black magazine cap that acts like a spring retainer that can be removed. All that retainer does is prevent the spring from launching into your eye when you remove the screw cap. Try removing this to see if that solves the issue. (Beretta part# C59944)
In addition, something to note is that not all 2 3/4 or 3" shells are the same length. For more information about lengths of ammo for 12ga, see page 20 of the SAAMI specifications saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ANSI-SAAMI-Z299.2-Shotshell-2015-R2019-Approved-2019-04-23.pdf
There is a wide range for unfired lengths that are still in spec for 12ga.
@@Evintos thanks for the suggestion. I didn’t realize that small, black mag tube plug was optional. I’ll give it a try. I did upgrade the OEM Beretta flat-faced silver follower to the low drag, red Nordic one, but it shouldn’t be much longer to prevent me from loading +1 round.
@@Evintos removing the small black magazine cap as you've suggested addressed the issue. As an initial test, it now fit and properly cycled 7x Fiocchi dummy rounds from the magazine.
@@Evintos Is it possible you could make a video on how to remove it?
@@caseg7761 Here ya go. th-cam.com/video/LtuOmYDbk2M/w-d-xo.html
Nicely done!
I’m going to try this with my 940.
My Supersport has a deterrent to ghost load but it can be overridden, not sure if it is safe or if primer on ghost shell could be subject to recoil impact in that position?
I'm not familiar with the Benelli Supersport however it's not likely the primer would be impacted. If there was a chance of that happening, there would also be a chance of it happening in normal operation when your shot shell "launches" out of the magazine tube onto your lifter for every round. Your trigger guard has a protrusion/horn (above the rear of the lifter) that acts as a shell stop that prevents the shell from launching too far rearward and into your trigger components (hammer, etc.).
That protrusion has empty space in the middle to prevent contact with the primer but still allows contact of the rest of the shell base.
Images of how a round sits on a lifter on 1301, however it'd essentially be the same as a Benelli and many other magazine tube fed semi-auto shotguns.
imgur.com/gzLzzNP
imgur.com/aOfn1yK
The potential issue is possible feed or ejection malfunction as there is extra friction/pressure from the ghost round pushing onto the bottom of your bolt carrier. If the bottom of your bolt carrier isn't smooth (lots of sharp edges) this can also increase malfunction chances. I believe the Supersport has a couple of grooved slots machined into the bottom of the bolt carrier and while this wouldn't detonate the primer, it can catch the rim and cause a jam (still wouldn't hit the primer). Malfunction potential can also increase with certain ammo due to manufacturing differences in shell length, hull material, etc. I recommend trying dummy rounds to see if you can hand cycle the action to load the ghost. If it jams on hand cycling, then there's a high chance of it not working in live fire.
@@Evintos you have to use a filler on the bolt to get it to ghost,I have no interest in,good info you have there,I have never heard of a safety issue ghosting Benellis,and you know every tacti tard with one does it alot....
What optic and mount are you running? Any issues with recoil causing red dot failure or blink?
Aridus CROM T1 mount with a Vortex Crossfire CF-RD2. No issues with dot failure or blinking or loss of zero and it's had 4 hits on it. Knocked off a table at the range and landed on the red dot twice ( 2 1/2 ft drop) and the other two times was when the shotgun was stood vertically against a range table and tipped over. Ground was a mix of hardpacked dirt with some bits of gravel.
Can you link the side mounted shell carrier?
From the manufacturer - www.aridusindustries.com/products/universal-quick-detach-carrier/
www.aridusindustries.com/product-category/qdc/
For the 1301 - the universal is the correct one.
Also check retailers such as BigTex below, since they tend to sell out fast, everywhere. www.bigtexordnance.com/product/aridus-industries-detachable-carrier-remington-mossberg-universal/
A device on your rig is holding one round just ahead of the chamber in a "match-saver" like device. It does not appear to be the match-saver product, however. What is the make and model. Thanks!
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
@@Evintos Thanks for your reply. Does it shift or rotate at all. Would it without the Velcro? Where did you get it?
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs) back when Ebay still offered those $5 off $10+ purchases discount codes. You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/
Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
Mmmmmm would this work In a normal manual pump action as well?
I got one but I've wrapped it up solidly in oil and plastic for the time being
Not all pump actions would work (Mossberg 500/590 for example). It also depends on the shape of the lifter. For the 870 for example, you need a little free play in the magazine tube since the ghost load fits slightly inside the tube. Also, ghost loading pumps may make it harder to pump the initial cycle (as it did on mine) due to the added pressure from the ghost round. Only way to know is to give it a try.
@@Evintos thanks for the reply ,I've got a winchester 1300 defender. I'm gonna give it a try when I unpack it again.
I never knew about this option:)
What single shell carrier is that? Can you please drop a link?
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/
Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
Sweet bro !!!
What muzzle device is that?
It is a ported OptimaChoke HP. www.beretta.com/en-us/gun-accessories/shotguns/choke-tubes/beretta-optimachoke-hp-ported-edition-12-gauge/
This dude has hearable anxiety and its triggering mine
its his irregular breathing
Is that the new beretta bigger/Upgrade
bolt release, that you have mounted?
That is the standard bolt release that comes with the gen 2 Beretta 1301s that fixes the "fatal flaw" issue of the gen 1's.
where can you find this lifter? cant seem to find it anywhere
I bought mine directly from Beretta USA but it seems as though they removed the page. Beretta EU still has it - estore.beretta.com/en-eu/pro-elevator-for-semiauto-3-0-12ga/
as well as this retailer -
magload.co.uk/product/beretta-semi-auto-lifter-lifter-hold-down/
Not sure which ones will ship the US.
@@Evintos thanks man ill try it out
Will this work on an 870 Remington
It might work. I know it works reliably for my 870 (built in 2008). Not sure if it'll work on really old Remington 870's or 870 clones. You'll have to try it with your ammo/870 combo and see if it works. 870 tolerances were all over the place when Remington was owned by Cerberus Capital Management/Freedom Group (which is why they went bankrupt) so it might not work for you.
Things to note - as far as I know though it only works with 870's with the Flex Tab/Flexitab system - www.rem870.com/2017/05/26/what-is-remington-870-flexitab-system-parts-differences-identification/
2nd - the ghost load partially inserts into the magazine tube as it's sitting on the lifter so you actually need a bit of free space available once the magazine tube is full. If you don't have enough, it won't be possible.
3rd - it requires noticeably more force for the initial pump with the ghost load.
Lastly, it's a tad more tricky to set up a ghost load on an 870 than on semi-auto shotguns, mostly because of how the lifter is shaped.
This is the video I watched a long time ago on how to do it.
th-cam.com/video/pUHPwB-8JKg/w-d-xo.html
What kind of bullet carrier is that?
Aridus QDC.
Awesome video, just got mine a couple of weeks ago and looking forward to taking it to the range. This video was very helpful but wondering if you could help out why I'm only able to load 6+1 when it's supposed to be 7+1? Any help??
th-cam.com/video/LtuOmYDbk2M/w-d-xo.html
Check out that vid. The plastic spring cap may be the issue or it may be due to the ammo you're using. Check description in the linked video for info related to 12ga ammo as well. Hope this helps.
I appreciate the info, I will give it a try and as far as ammo I tried different type of ammo using 2-3/4. Thank you
@@orlandodelgado3265 did it work?
@@LuisC7 yes it did, thank you I appreciate the assistance!!!
@@orlandodelgado3265 yes my beretta a304 worked as well
is the matchsaverz just velcroed on? my stock forend doesn't have MLok
For my handguard, it is secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The bolt for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). Use velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes.
i.imgur.com/cgANVJR.jpg
i.imgur.com/BOkKvCG.jpg
Now as for the stock forend, you'd have to use 2 screws to secure it. The 2 screws would work to prevent the type of rotation that a single MLOK set wouldn't. Depending on the screw length, you would have to shorten the screws to prevent rubbing on the carrier rod. You can utilize a single screw plus velcro if you want to initially find the optimal feed angle for your hand motion, then secure the final position using one more screw.
Can you do an install video for your Matchsaver?
Sorry, unfortunately I don't have another MLOK nut/bolt set to modify. Hopefully these two pics help you visualize what I did. i.imgur.com/cgANVJR.jpg
i.imgur.com/BOkKvCG.jpg
Use proper weighted dummy rounds. It does replicate the operation correctly.
just bought a 1301T, should I give her a full strip and clean before shooting?
I recommend so with every new firearm only so you can inspect to see if there were any parts damaged from the factory that was missed during QC checks or damage from shipping that you didn't notice when picking it up from the FFL.
I field strip, check for cracks, burrs, and finish wear then make a mental note (take pictures if necessary) of anything that I would deem out of the ordinary. Wipe clean any factory lubricant or anti-seize and use my normal lubricant of choice (ALG Go Juice and Grease) on any metal on metal moving parts, then head to the range and shoot. After that, field strip, clean and inspect again to look for anything out of the ordinary.
If there were any micro cracks in any of the parts that couldn't be seen with the naked eye, the parts either would've broken or the cracks grown to a visible size within the first couple hundred rounds.
@@Evintos Thank you for your detailed response.
I get that already without an extension...maybe one more with a ghost but the question remains...why?
More is better! Check out description or response to the pinned post regarding cruiser ready for the other reason..
If you don’t mind me asking, where did you get the MLOK Match Saver?
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/
i.imgur.com/cgANVJR.jpg
i.imgur.com/BOkKvCG.jpg
Does this pro lifter fix the fatal flaw issue?
No it does not. The "fatal flaw" issue (shell dump/double feed) is not present on the 2nd generation 1301 with the redesigned bolt release. Gen 2's came onto the market around mid to late 2018 so most Gen 1's if not all Gen 1's you'll find are on the used market.
To resolve the issue for the 1st generation style bolt release, you'll need either part #EU00074 1301 Bolt Shroud kit from Beretta USA (made of polymer, $10 USD) or Aridus Industries YT-1301 Latch and Shroud (aluminum, I think like $67 USD).
What the pro style lifter does is keeps the lifter up and out of the way and essentially creates a giant loading funnel. If you have experience with the Mossberg 500/590 series of shotguns, think of it like that. You don't have to push the lifter out of the way to feed rounds into the magazine tube. This also eliminates the chance of getting your thumb jammed on the lifter when you're loading rounds quickly.
cool, my DP-12 holds 16
What’s that optic called?
Vortex Crossfire red dot (model CF-RD2), which has the same mounting pattern as an Aimpoint T1.
great video thanks … curious where you got that single shell caddy?
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/
Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
@@Evintos this is the level of detail I often provide to folks that ask me Qs, rarely do I get this kind of detail when I ask a Q. Thanks!
Thanks for the tip, there is no risk of damaging the mechanism by creating unforeseen constraints?
None. The only "load" present in the ghost load/carrier down position is the compression of part #C95323 "Carrier Catch Plunger Spring." Some people are worried about having spring fatigue/wear from leaving them in a compressed state, however, springs wear out from cycles of compression/extension.
The carrier catch plunger spring experiences more fatigue in firing cycles due to way it normally operates (hammer retracts carrier catch plunger as it swings forward to strike the firing pin, which compresses the plunger spring, which allows the carrier to drop down to receive a round from the magazine tube, etc.).
@@Evintos Thank you very much for this clear and detailed explanation.
What side saddle are you running? Dig the set up!
It is a Aridus Industries Universal Q-DC.
@@Evintos cool, thanks for the follow up... imma try that button on the lifter to work towards a select a slug drill with this gun... or at the very least, a bolt drop to lock the action back without dropping the firing pin
@@chef.papa.6tango523 For a select a slug drill, if you hit the button on the lifter and there was a round in the mag tube, it'd feed a round from the tube. You'd either have to load the slug into the magazine tube, hit the button (to release a round from the tube), cycle the action (to eject chamber round and load lifter round), or you do the two handed swap where you hold the charging handle to the rear and load a slug through the ejection port.
If you don't pull the trigger, cycling the action won't load a round from the tube.
did you try firing LIVE rounds doing it this way yet? How was the result?
Yup, worked perfectly fine with 2.75" birdshot, 2.75" buckshot and 3" slugs.
It's something police and competition shooters do regularly. I'd say if a cop is betting his life on it then this method of loading is rock solid
Hey sir, what is that extra round holder? I’m sorry I don’t what it’s called, it’s the thing that holds the round you put in when the bolt locks back. Do you have a name for it? And a link?
It's most commonly called a Matchsaver but is also known as a shell caddy. The one in this vid is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs). You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/
Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
@@Evintos thank very much!
Why not use the S tac Velcro cards?
Seems like they’ve surpassed sidesaddles in basically every way.
They’re smaller, lighter and cheaper, with extra cards it’s super fast to rip off the empty and slap 5-8 fresh shells on your gun, they even fit any pocket or pouch that’s designed to AR mags.
They also don’t break if you drop your piece or bang into something hard.
The only way to wear them out is just regular wear and tear on the soft side of the Velcro, which is easily fixed by spending like literally 10 bucks for a fresh one.
great!
Beautiful ❤️
What optic are you running?
Vortex Crossfire CF-RD2
Is that the same foot print as the aimpoint micro?
Sorry didn't get notification until much later but yes, same footprint as the Aimpoint T1/T2 micro.
What choke do you have on your 1301T? Picking mine up tonight.
www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-choke-tube-optimachoke-hp-ported-edition-12-ga/
I use the OCHP Ported Improved Cylinder however ammunition will dictate what choke tube constriction gives you the best results.
@@Evintos I'm guessing you're using the "CL" SKU? I'll be shooting low-recoil NSI 00 Buck at the range and Hornady Critical Defense high-velocity for HD.
@@pbdye1607 I'm using Improved Cylinder (IC) with Federal Powershok 9 Pellet 00 Buckshot 2 3/4. If I remember correctly, the Hornady Critical Defense will pattern better with Cylinder (due to the way the wad is designed, which is similar to Federal Flight control). The Nobel Sport on the other hand may pattern better with a tighter choke tube like Modified or Improved modified. Unfortunately no way to tell unless you test it out on your particular 1301. Even the same model shotgun will exhibit different patterns.
@@Evintos Got it. This is my first shotgun, so I'm very much learning on the fly. Thanks for the prompt replies.
@@Evintos Also, seems it's a good thing I checked beforehand. My 2021-build 1301T seemingly does NOT have threads for a choke. Strangely enough, it came with a choke tool, but guiding a plastic straw down the barrel, and double-checking with a bore light, I couldn't see any evidence of threads.
Hello ı lobe ur gun. Where did get matchsaver (quick load single) ?
It is a RCI Xtra Shell caddy by Roth Performance (sku - 1601-XTRASHELL) secured using a single Magpul MLOK Tnut and screw (sku - MAG615), and a little bit of velcro (hook side on handguard, loop side on the caddy) to prevent it from rotating. The screw for the MLOK Tnut needs to be shortened otherwise it protrudes too far in and rubs against the rod of the bolt carrier.
Without velcro, it won't shift fore/aft but it will start to rotate every 4th "swipe" and be completely loose and basically free spin by around the 10th use depending on ambient temperature. This is with the MLOK torqued to Magpul specifications for polymer handguards (15 in/lbs). I would recommend velcro or one of the included caddy screws (limited to 1 MLOK tnut in that area of the handguard) to prevent the rotation. I recommend the velcro over another screw simply because you can fine tune the feed angle of the caddy to fit your hand motion without drilling holes. I bought mine off the Roth performance Ebay site (www.ebay.com/itm/154267245150?hash=item23eb0b5a5e:g:oMoAAOSwEaJd6Acs) back when Ebay still offered those $5 off $10+ purchases discount codes. You can also order off their main site rothperformance.com/product/rci-xtra-shell-caddy/
Can't remember where I bought the MLOK tnut screw set (might've been Amazon), and the velcro I had laying around from non-gun related projects but you can find the velcro stuff on Amazon as well.
@@Evintos yah ı agree with you. I did yesterday. I used with velcro and gun glue even though i did, ı had to file the screw.
Very nice!!
The 9th group of zombies will be surprised.
What optic is that , Aimpoint ?
Vortex Crossfire CFRD2, which utilizes a Aimpoint T1/T2 footprint.
Oooh! Magic.
You know what I will do it at my own risk. Jeez - you are probably slapping cheeks daily.
I got a surface rust spot on my barrel already. Not too happy
I would try rubbing the spot with some CLP or oil to see if the surface rust goes away.
Use a penny
Is that 9- 3” or 3 1/2” in rounds or just 2 3/4” ❓
2 3/4". The dummy rounds used in the vid have a length of 2.34". For more information about lengths of ammo for 12ga, see page 20 of the SAAMI specifications saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ANSI-SAAMI-Z299.2-Shotshell-2015-R2019-Approved-2019-04-23.pdf
There is a wide range for unfired lengths that are still in spec for 12ga.
Sweet little cheat here. Where'd you get the 3" Pro Style loaded?? I can't find them in stock anywhere, with no restock ETAs 🙄
I bought mine directly from www.berettausa.com/en-us/3-lifter-1301-tac-pro-sty-1301/c7c940/
Only other place I know of that sells it is Beretta EU website but it's also out of stock.
Where did you get those dummy rounds?
I got them from Brownells. They were Brownells rebrand of the Fiocchi 12ga Dummy rounds in a 25ct per box. The Fiocchi brand is available at various different retailers but the Brownells rebrand version is no longer available.
Amazon and Ebay also has the "B's Dry Fire Snap Caps Dummy 12 Gauge" which comes in different colors.
We call this floating the tube. Totally not legal when hunting. And never have I ever done this while duck hunting before 😉🤫🤫🤫
The legal amount at least in my area is 4 but I can load six with some... questionable techniques
Whoa. Thats bitchin. Is that an aftermarket lifter or is that factory on those?
It is a factory aftermarket part and was released at the beginning of April 2021 on the Beretta USA website. Part number is C7C940
Its such an improvement to loading, like butter. Unfortunately it doesn't clear the release so you still need to slightly press up on it to eject rounds.
Where can I get a BERETTA SHOT GUN WITH THE SAME EXACT SET UP LIKE THAT? THANKS
www.langdontactical.com/ltt-1301-shotgun/
Langdon Tactical is the place to go to buy it preassembled. I assembled mine buying individual parts before they offered this. If you want the pro style lifter, that's separate and available at Beretta USA. The optic will also be separate (mine is a Vortex Crossfire CFRD2 however any optic with a Aimpoint T1/T2 foot print will fit the mount).
I have put a shotgun extractor through my thumbnail messing with a stuck shell. Risky business.
Sort of like the Benelli M4