Imagine a heavy barrel version of the WLVRN that had the magwell to take quattro magazines. Like the AUG HBAR but actually updated with technology better than the 80s
The demand for compatability with old tech makes sense for a period, but then you get to the point like with AK's where certain design constraints of the original just can't be worked around without dropping compatability. Logistics and cost and all that matter but half a century + is more than long enough to say "okay maybe its time we come up with something completely new".
Would love to see additional variations in the future. Especially with heavy barrel options with heat sinks, and options for 12.5, 13.9, and 14.5, pin and weld would icing on the cake. Big ask I know, but one can dream.
This video actually addressed almost all the questions I had about this mag, if there was a stanag mag adaptor, ambi controls, and concerns with the cutouts in the magwell. the only thing I can think of now is the accessories for them, like mag pouches and mag loaders. Though I assume other companies would start producing them as it gets more popular
17:29 the adapter plates that allow the Quattro-15 to shoot standard 30 round STANAG mags should be a headline feature of the rifle and reassure buyers that their investment in standard mags isn’t going to waste.
I'm making a 3D model of a Sci-fi weapon (I made up myself), and it uses your style of quadmags, combined with some SPIW program inspiration. Thanks for the video, it is very nice to get a better picture of the magazine.
@DesertTechUT It's a conventional design, but it makes use of "long recoil", I think it's called. The one that the Chauchat and GM6 Lynx makes use of. Thanks for the comment, I will try and send it to you (somehow), when it is done and animated :)
maybe a mechanical solution to the magwell, being able to collapse it to standard magazine capacity dimensions using some mechanism would be an interesting idea to look into. If concerned about those two mag inserts adapters.
The problem is in the magazine catch, because when trying to be compatible with stanag mags the magazine catch does not stay in the same position and to have any compatibility between the mags it is necessary to adapt the magazine well so that the catch can be reached by the magazine release button. If it used a symmetrical magazine catch and without a magazine well it would be possible to use both types of magazines without any adaptation (for example, if it was something more similar to an AK rifle)
Love to see this kind of innovation. I would urge considering sponsoring a competitive shooter as that is often a proving ground that later feeds the military. From belt kits to optics these things make their way over and may be an easier inroad than approaching the military or LE directly. Hopefully you’re already seeing success in all those areas. Keep moving us forward!
That's genius move number two... The interchangeable caliber sniping rifle from desert tech was genius... The wide mouth mag well for an AR-15 with larger multi stack mags.. Is lightning striking twice
I built 5.56 AR on your lower. Mine is mated up with a Centurion Arms upper, same style of BCG you’re showing. I have a dream of an AR with Six8 dimensions with a quadstack lower and matching quad stack magazine. Imagine then the follower for that magazine would allow proper feeding for 6.8 SPC, 5.56, .300 BLK, 6 Max. Great, now I’m ready to scale back my job and see if I can intern with you guys. See you at Shot Show.
Are you going to make an MDR with this? Particularly curious to see if you could fit say 45ish rounds into a 7.62 mag that's not any longer than Magpul 25 rounders that would be cool
Maybe you could fix the 30 rounder adaptor to the front edge of the mag will by a hinge; so you could easly put it in place with one move and it will be on the rifle all the time and wont get lost. Also you could solve the problem mentioned in the vedio and connect the two pieces of the adaptor at the hing outside the constraind dimention of the mag will.
By the way, would be awesome to make adapter for normal 2 stack magazines for that wide magwell that would pivot to outside of the said magwell. So user wouldn't lose this tiny part when switching from quad stacks to standard mags.
Are there any plans for a shorter version of the mag for more precision shooters who like the 20rnd mags for bipod use? Scrolling through the comments to see if this idea was mentioned, but I didn't see it so... another one for the idea bucket?
Really interesting to see the innovation and reality that seeing what needs to be developed deploying some such an item like this is a not lightweight but you have more capacity…
If Desert Tech or another entity could engineer a more convenient or semi-permanent 30-round mag adaptor (potentially incorporating spring-loaded paddles or something), this would be a no-brainer! The capability to seamlessly switch between the proprietary QMAG 53 quad stacks and the more ubiquitous 30-round magazines would make this an enticing backwards-compatible package! Not to mention the increased viability it could give to the automatic rifleman concept on the battlefield by enabling them to use readily-available magazines from any infantryman on the line. The obvious reasoning is that most AR-owners, presumably, have a sizeable inventory of 30-round magazines. Unless Desert Tech can find a way down the line to make this a more fluid process than switching out two adaptor plates (that could reasonably get lost) every time you have to use a standard magazine, then I fear that the Quattro-15 will be relegated to being a more niche product than it has to be.
Eventually we will but we have to tackle one project at a time. The more successful the Quattro 15 is the faster we can get funds to make the 308 QMAG :D
17:42 you mention it's not possible to make a single piece mag adapter. Why not connect the two halves outside of the mag well. You could use the extra length to incorporate a flared shape to better guide the magazine.
Making it one piece would create something you have to carry around with a bunch of empty space, making it inefficient and prone to crushing. The fiddly aspect is a definite negative, however minor.
@@PatrickKniesler a compliant mechanism linking the adaptor at the mag funnel might mean the adaptor is able to fold and you can stuff it into a pocket and pouch and you know it will be okay. I hope the Quattro-15 sells well so that enterprising 3d printing enthusiasts will be able to experiment
@@PatrickKniesler Maybe the adapters could be pushed in through slots in the front. Still need two pieces but it would eliminate the extra metal lug that they correctly lock into.
Thank you for those educational videos, Nick! How you would measure reliability increase in %, compared to Schmeisser 60 rounders and Surefire quad-stacks?
Make it open source. Let other companies make lowers and magazines for the platform, thus proliferating its design. This idea is fantastic and would be the next standard IF it gets adopted in any sort of official capacity.
And the q-mag’s capacity is 3 rounds bigger than the 50 rounds in the HK g11, which resorted to caseless technology to get the capacity and rate of fire they wanted
I own a quattro lower. I absolutely love it. About 2k rounds through it and a set of 4 mags. So far... no issues. The only complaint. Left hand side of the receiver has a milled QD point. I had to grid that off to get a collapsible style stock to work. I'm also Left-handed. Super ambidextrous friendly M4 mag adapter works well. It's easy to install, the only complicated part of the adapter is fitting it to itself for storage. Once you figure it out it gets easier RECOMMEND""
Are you going to adapt it to 300 blk, since it takes similar mags, i wonder with the right follower if it would work. Seems it would be good for the nightmare of cqb. Also i love the idea of bufferless direct impingement guns. More people making them would help work the bugs out.
What if the connecting material between the halves of the magazine adapter ran on the outside front of the magazine well? That way it’s doesn’t take up internal space
Here is one idea to solve the transition to a standard magazine: make the adapter integral to the magazine well. I'm sure you guys can come with a mechanical solution that can be activated with a lever or button. This will demand a redesign of your lower, but in the long term I'm think it will pay off.
They never did. You are referring to a youtuber who we sent pre-production mags to and we specifically told him the pre production resin was not strong enough to drop test, so what did he do he drop tested all of the mags and broke them. He did a followup video with our production magazine materials and they survive drop tests very well.
I am not sure if the cost to performance ratio is high enough for me to switch to this today. Probably not, as giggle switches are not legal and thus civilian SAWs don't exist. But for those that just want better big magazines i am glad this exists. More compact than the double drum design, and more reliable than the old Surefire2-stack to 4-stack magazines. And hopefully we can abolish the NFA and a whole lot of taxes, so that i have the money and legal safety of owning this rifle for weekend BRRRTTTTTTTT time soon.
Does that include a quick barrel change? All the light belt fed machine guns I used like the m240 and the m249 had quick change barrels??? they are heavy and clunky to carry around all day
Since you make ammunition as well, have you considered making a new cartridge and producing a new weapon from the ground up? Especially with some of these new high pressure and lighter weight case designs it'd be interesting to see what you could come up without any design limitations.
My dream setup would be a quatro lower with an FRT, and a monolithic bufferless sidecharging upper. Essentially a CMMG dissent upper with LMT's monolithic barrel change system, and Quatro+FRT feeding and firing Truly a God-tier AR-PKM set up
TGC drop tested pre-production mags which we told them were not drop test proof, but they dropped them against our advice. We sent them production resin mags shortly after and they drop tested those with very good results. Feel free to go watch their followup video, we also have a drop test video on our channel you can watch for real results. What issues with the rifle are you referring to? Up to this point we only sold the lower by itself so owners built up their rifles.
You should look into Knoxx engineering. In 2004 they apparently experimented with new propellants that allowed them to get comparable velocities to 5.56 from a straight wall cartridge without significantly increasing overall pressure. I can’t provide a link because yt. A straight walled cartridge would further enhance the benefits of your design allowing you to pack even more ammo. Maybe even a quadstack that’s the same form factor as traditional 5.56 mags. I know you guys do some work with ammo production, so it might be worthwhile.
@@nickolasthefrogso about that, i did the triangle math to get an exact width of each stack (these mags have two stacks divided by a separator) and it works out to 13.06mm. Multiply that by two is 26.12mm. Add a 2mm separator plus two 4mm walls and we get a grand total of 36.12mm or 1.42". From what I can tell that's already the size of a wide palmswell grip just for the magazine alone. Might limit who could actually use the thing to people with larger hands. Still an interesting opportunity with 30sc gaining a little bit of traction in the market. I don't think the caliber is going to die as rapidly as the 9mm bros initially thought.
@@brawndo8726 Beretta 92 is (edit: 1.5”) and feels fantastic in my medium glove. Reaching the decocker and mag release without breaking grip is highly overrated with any pistol, more so with a million rounds onboard. People get too focused on perceived fit at the sales counter or during dry fire and rarely get a chance to compare things under rapid fire. The bigger win is the opportunity for a good capacity carbine, considering the near-rifle velocities that Hi Point has mentioned attaining with reloads if this modern pressure case.
@@nickolasthefrogOh cool. I don't have a lot to compare things against so it's good to hear you think it would work. If you want high velocity there's actually a 56 grain 30sc. Imaging firing this out of a carbine: th-cam.com/video/7Luz0ZIR7I0/w-d-xo.html
@@DesertTechUT 7.5 fk to lean into the increased range & precision the cheek pistol idea seems to give. use the elongated enclosed receiver that guns like the kel tech cp33 have that often are used for cheek pistols to shift the chamber rearward and increase barrel length by doing the rear extraction magazine like the Boberg Bond Arms pistols have. That way you get more velocity out of 7.5 FK cartridge with more barrel. Creating a bullpup cheek pistol.
@DesertTechUT is literally 10 minutes down the road from Flux Defense, making the P365 and P320 Flux Raiders. They could just take them for lunch and see how each other are doing…
@@DesertTechUT No, 9mm is overplayed and overused. 5.7x28 is starting to rise in popularity surprisingly quick, and is a much better PDW caliber than 9mm. Also, 5.7 Mags are pretty thin generally, even being double stacked. If you could work some space magic and make a quad stacked 5.7 cheek pistol that magically had good ergos, you could have something with ~50 rounds or more, with a ~200 yard engagement range, with AP capabilities, lighter ammo than 9mm. Basically, everything the p90 offers, but in a smaller and lighter package.
Desert tech, you guys are the guys to 3xplain, because polymer case ammo sounds really cool, but how well does this polymer resist melting to the barrel in a hot chamber, or is it only intended to be run in open bolt weapons?
@@BigPhilsSaws as I mentioned in the video, the polymer case Is over twice as expensive than brass and the steel case from Shell shock technologies is only 14% more than milspec ball.
For some reason I feel like with a certain amount of R&D, as well as if the government bit on the idea, production costs would drastically reduce after a decade if production, similar to AR-15 rifles. I also feel that after such a period, the g9vernment would abandon shellshok and swap to a lacquered steel case and reduce the cost further from the super stainless. That is just hard for my pea brain to wrap around, that a steel case ammo offering is more expensive than brass. Please keep doing God's work! You guys are awesome!!
If you don't name this Suzu Quatro ....you don't have a set!... i am liking the innovation with the round count, it's awesome that you didn't try to reinvent the wheel with the rifle.
Wonder hove possible and how viable be to make .308 version of mag and rifle for actually be competitive with squad level automatic weapon. Mean worldwide.
Also why no have a one piece U-shaped adaptor that slides in from the front of the mag well to use standard mags, you already have cutouts that are close
@@jza61nick only if you drop preproduction mags that you were told weren’t drop test proof. Production mags do awesome we have a drop test video and TGC also redid their video with production mags. That happened because the TH-camr that got early access to the mags failed to listen.
What about designing a lower with a latching system in the magwell so you can insert standard mags or Quatro mags it would have to have the Quatro mags to have a tab added on it which trips the locking mechanism of the latch in the mag well to unlock and be pushed aside by insertion of the Quatro mag possibly springs that automatically push the latch back into standard position maybe even add a locking switch on the lower that can also keep it in Quatro ready? Idk how hard that would be to create cuz I'm not in manufacturing but an idea can help?
3:40 HOLDING the QMAG and the NGSAR in the same hands… Now just add a 2nd-Gen BLK-LBL Mantis (which leaves enough room for a suppressor like the ALX), a 300 BO Micron, and DTSS Flow-through can. With an 8.6 BO conversion kit.
@@TheYemcl The WLVRN and MDRX, pictured at 3:40, is a .308 platform that has smaller inserts to make 5.56 and 300BO fit. It is literally a 308 rifle in his hands.
I love this, worry that it is far ahead of its time though and the military may not adopt for a long time. Fingers crossed they take after any LE that chooses to rock these in some time
Interesting idea, hope it's successful. And Where are you getting shell shock ammo that's "only 14% more the military surplus"? I'd love to not pay $1+ per round, if you're getting it for under .50¢ a round.
If I could get a Quattro MCX that would be sick. But for now I'll just have to stick with the QT-15 lower I've got and swap it around like a used sock. Quattro WLVRN should make up for this though!
I really like the Quattro, I got to play with one and liked it a lot, but I still have never ordered one. I would order a complete lower if it were offered, but not the complete rifle. I will still probably eventually buy a stripped lower.
Regarding the QMAG 53 on the bullpup... "impossibility": have you ever considered to have the trigger handle at an angle towards low-right / up-left to the weapon's roll-axis (for right hand users)? And viceversa for left had users. This way your forearm doesn't encounters the QMAG 53, and actually has a more natural position in relation with the wrist. PS - just a joke regarding QMAG 53... 53 = 53 "playing cards" (52 "weeks" plus the "The Joker" / 365th day). Add a 54th (a 2nd Joker) for the 366th day of the leap year. 🤣
I like my new quattro AR, it shoots reliably. I only have one complaint, there's no way of knowing how many rounds are left in the magazine. You make clear mags but don't sell them. I've tried to ordered clear ones from you, but only got the solid black ones. Every time I see a quattro-15 TH-cam video, I see the clear mags that I can't get for some unknown reason. I want clear mags!
Thank you for responding. Don't get me wrong, I love your product, but since you don't sell the clear ones, I was hoping that you would consider a window or some kind of ammo count indicater on your mags. It would be appreciated. I just wanted a clear mag because it would looks so cool on my gun. I wouldn't care if the mag didn't hold up to your breaking standards.
Will you be attempting to incorporate this into a new version of MDR? Or maybe a part upgrade? Also have you considered a shorter version of the mag? Specifically for the MDR/bullpups. Because I like Halo I think the ergonomics of a smaller quad mag would fit better under the armpit, Bungie made an unrealistically small mag for the Halo BR (which is a bullpup) so it wouldn't stick out like a normal mag. but you made a realistic solution. Similar to how normal AR mags come in 30, 20, and 10.
@ that's a shame but understandable. Maybe they'll develop a future bullpup with a redesign, not sure how financially feasible that would be but I sure would buy it.
Yeah, I do think some outside-the-box designs will become essential eventually. In a scenario of an extended war where both sides have decent mfg capability, and actually want to win and aren't stuck in boomer peacetime or 3rd world conflict mindset, a lot of things would change quick from the status quo. I'm saying even with todays materials, there's a lot sitting on the table, so it's a matter of motivation and so just a matter of time. In my head I've bounced around some layouts for alternative feeding for bullpups, because current (pre-quattro ;) mag designs are altogether limiting. And bullpups are the future for power and compactness. Time will tell...
@@googIesux I think Desert Tech is innovative. Maybe they haven't invented everything under the sun but they push the needle. I agree that the industry as a whole has hit a sort of stagnation but I think that's more to do with the law of physics than lack of innovative drive. To put it simply the puzzle has become harder to solve, like how Nick said Magpul was impressed at how they solved the quad mag feeding issue since they themselves had tried countless ideas. Innovation has become incremental whereas 100 years ago we were taking massive leaps in improvement so it's become more rare to achieve larger leaps of progress. Definitely think there are still old timers holding progress back but not as some other industries. I would put more blame on top down gobermen regs.
@@DesertTechUT I imagine putting the lower in the public domain (or free with attribution) could net vastly more in magazine sales. If you’re controlling it because it’s hard to build and not just any manufacturer can do it right, that’s all the more reason to fully release it and let the hive reengineer it for you for free.
if that lower works with an M27 upper, the Marine corps could benefit from it enormously. A few years ago I wouldn't have thought so, but with the infantry switching to the M27 as a standard, this could easily result in a massive increase in firepower for the 0311s.
You should make a 24" heavy barrel with an extended rail to 17" and market it as the AR-RPK
With a FRT. Amazing
Yes
These guys do something similar to what you are talking about th-cam.com/video/rq09k0uNVEA/w-d-xo.html
Why 24? Seems unreasonably long and heavy to me.
@@DUD3_BR0 because that is the barrel length of the RPK Mr.doofus
Imagine a heavy barrel version of the WLVRN that had the magwell to take quattro magazines. Like the AUG HBAR but actually updated with technology better than the 80s
@@JulianLares this too
Make this HAPPEN!!!
The demand for compatability with old tech makes sense for a period, but then you get to the point like with AK's where certain design constraints of the original just can't be worked around without dropping compatability. Logistics and cost and all that matter but half a century + is more than long enough to say "okay maybe its time we come up with something completely new".
Agreed!
Facts
I bought the Quattro-15 Lower and built a rifle around it. Very pleased.
Any issues you had building? I’ve been thinking about making one with it
@@johnsierra9792 None at all. You're simply building an AR with a monster magwell.
Yall should make a loading spoon for the quad stack mags. that way the 556 clips can be used to speed load the mag
Good idea, we will add it to the idea bucket.
That's dumb
@@gleamtarrest6310 If it gets picked up by the armed forces, ever, it will be required. Might as well please One Shepard.
Would love to see additional variations in the future. Especially with heavy barrel options with heat sinks, and options for 12.5, 13.9, and 14.5, pin and weld would icing on the cake. Big ask I know, but one can dream.
We will have a 14.5” upper
Plans for 100rd mags? This would make awesome American rpk
Very likely in the future
@@DesertTechUT yeah? I think I know what rifle I'm building this year then
This video actually addressed almost all the questions I had about this mag, if there was a stanag mag adaptor, ambi controls, and concerns with the cutouts in the magwell. the only thing I can think of now is the accessories for them, like mag pouches and mag loaders. Though I assume other companies would start producing them as it gets more popular
17:29 the adapter plates that allow the Quattro-15 to shoot standard 30 round STANAG mags should be a headline feature of the rifle and reassure buyers that their investment in standard mags isn’t going to waste.
Dear Desert Tech -- will you please make the barrel kit in 6.8 Fury and 8.6 Blackout to bring the MDR up to Army standard issue? Thank you.
I'm making a 3D model of a Sci-fi weapon (I made up myself), and it uses your style of quadmags, combined with some SPIW program inspiration.
Thanks for the video, it is very nice to get a better picture of the magazine.
Thats cool, I'd love to see it when you get done with it! Bullpup, or conventional design?
@DesertTechUT It's a conventional design, but it makes use of "long recoil", I think it's called. The one that the Chauchat and GM6 Lynx makes use of.
Thanks for the comment, I will try and send it to you (somehow), when it is done and animated :)
Would love a WLVRN with a monolithic upper! Keep up the good work
I second this.
Yes please
maybe a mechanical solution to the magwell, being able to collapse it to standard magazine capacity dimensions using some mechanism would be an interesting idea to look into. If concerned about those two mag inserts adapters.
The problem is in the magazine catch, because when trying to be compatible with stanag mags the magazine catch does not stay in the same position and to have any compatibility between the mags it is necessary to adapt the magazine well so that the catch can be reached by the magazine release button. If it used a symmetrical magazine catch and without a magazine well it would be possible to use both types of magazines without any adaptation (for example, if it was something more similar to an AK rifle)
Love to see this kind of innovation. I would urge considering sponsoring a competitive shooter as that is often a proving ground that later feeds the military. From belt kits to optics these things make their way over and may be an easier inroad than approaching the military or LE directly. Hopefully you’re already seeing success in all those areas. Keep moving us forward!
Craig Outzen has been running our Quattro the last two years in 3 gun with great success. We just need to improve our marketing on it. lol 😮
@ ah my bad- would love to see some clips! I’ll go look
This makes so much sense for suppressing enemy while executing small unit battle tactics!
That's genius move number two... The interchangeable caliber sniping rifle from desert tech was genius... The wide mouth mag well for an AR-15 with larger multi stack mags.. Is lightning striking twice
I built 5.56 AR on your lower. Mine is mated up with a Centurion Arms upper, same style of BCG you’re showing.
I have a dream of an AR with Six8 dimensions with a quadstack lower and matching quad stack magazine. Imagine then the follower for that magazine would allow proper feeding for 6.8 SPC, 5.56, .300 BLK, 6 Max.
Great, now I’m ready to scale back my job and see if I can intern with you guys. See you at Shot Show.
That's a nice apples-to-anvils comparison you got there, desert-tech
I urge you, do whatever you can do make this design proliferate! We need innovation to succeed and not be relegated to forgotten weapons videos!
Are you going to make an MDR with this? Particularly curious to see if you could fit say 45ish rounds into a 7.62 mag that's not any longer than Magpul 25 rounders that would be cool
I noticed that my Qmags sit lower in my pouches and are a little slicker to grab - would love to have a ranger plate or similar base plate upgrade.
550 cord and duct tape 🤘🏾
@@OTG_Zulu ah yes the duct tape original “mag pull”
Maybe you could fix the 30 rounder adaptor to the front edge of the mag will by a hinge; so you could easly put it in place with one move and it will be on the rifle all the time and wont get lost. Also you could solve the problem mentioned in the vedio and connect the two pieces of the adaptor at the hing outside the constraind dimention of the mag will.
you can still make the mags adapter work in a one piece i have a design already i could just use measurements
The only way i think you can do it is if the adapter sticks outside the mag well with a bridges that go down, out, and around the magazine
@@checkmate058 yea thats what i have plans to do just cant aford a quattro mag
I think JP is for sale. Please buy them if so and continue JP as we know it.
JP makes some decent springs, they are great for all those "AR compatible triggers" that are not cassette friendly.
Will any upper go on this quad stack lower?
@@Noobish_Camper55 yes
When someone says, “I want to make it successfully better”, look what we can achieve. God I love this country 🇺🇸
By the way, would be awesome to make adapter for normal 2 stack magazines for that wide magwell that would pivot to outside of the said magwell. So user wouldn't lose this tiny part when switching from quad stacks to standard mags.
Are there any plans for a shorter version of the mag for more precision shooters who like the 20rnd mags for bipod use?
Scrolling through the comments to see if this idea was mentioned, but I didn't see it so... another one for the idea bucket?
This is amazing - glad i stumbled across the video - definitely want 1
Love the deep dive! Can’t wait to get/build myself one!
Really interesting to see the innovation and reality that seeing what needs to be developed deploying some such an item like this is a not lightweight but you have more capacity…
Imagine combining a fold-ar upper with the quad mag lower? Like chocolate and peanut butter!
How many rounds of 5.7x28 will the mag hold?
If Desert Tech or another entity could engineer a more convenient or semi-permanent 30-round mag adaptor (potentially incorporating spring-loaded paddles or something), this would be a no-brainer! The capability to seamlessly switch between the proprietary QMAG 53 quad stacks and the more ubiquitous 30-round magazines would make this an enticing backwards-compatible package! Not to mention the increased viability it could give to the automatic rifleman concept on the battlefield by enabling them to use readily-available magazines from any infantryman on the line.
The obvious reasoning is that most AR-owners, presumably, have a sizeable inventory of 30-round magazines. Unless Desert Tech can find a way down the line to make this a more fluid process than switching out two adaptor plates (that could reasonably get lost) every time you have to use a standard magazine, then I fear that the Quattro-15 will be relegated to being a more niche product than it has to be.
Hope you guys make this for the ar-10/sr-25/l308 platform too!
Eventually we will but we have to tackle one project at a time. The more successful the Quattro 15 is the faster we can get funds to make the 308 QMAG :D
I think this magazine type would be better suited for the NGSW, to at least keep the capacity of 30 rounds that soldiers have now with STANAG mags.
17:42 you mention it's not possible to make a single piece mag adapter. Why not connect the two halves outside of the mag well. You could use the extra length to incorporate a flared shape to better guide the magazine.
Making it one piece would create something you have to carry around with a bunch of empty space, making it inefficient and prone to crushing. The fiddly aspect is a definite negative, however minor.
@@PatrickKniesler a compliant mechanism linking the adaptor at the mag funnel might mean the adaptor is able to fold and you can stuff it into a pocket and pouch and you know it will be okay.
I hope the Quattro-15 sells well so that enterprising 3d printing enthusiasts will be able to experiment
@@PatrickKniesler Maybe the adapters could be pushed in through slots in the front. Still need two pieces but it would eliminate the extra metal lug that they correctly lock into.
Thank you for those educational videos, Nick!
How you would measure reliability increase in %, compared to Schmeisser 60 rounders and Surefire quad-stacks?
I love it and I shall have one, soon as I move from shit IL to TN this spring....
Make it open source. Let other companies make lowers and magazines for the platform, thus proliferating its design. This idea is fantastic and would be the next standard IF it gets adopted in any sort of official capacity.
can we get updates on future products? like higher cap quattro 15 mags? new rifles etc
And the q-mag’s capacity is 3 rounds bigger than the 50 rounds in the HK g11, which resorted to caseless technology to get the capacity and rate of fire they wanted
Does the Quattro-15 lower work with the PSA Jakl?
I own a quattro lower. I absolutely love it. About 2k rounds through it and a set of 4 mags.
So far... no issues.
The only complaint. Left hand side of the receiver has a milled QD point.
I had to grid that off to get a collapsible style stock to work.
I'm also Left-handed. Super ambidextrous friendly
M4 mag adapter works well.
It's easy to install, the only complicated part of the adapter is fitting it to itself for storage.
Once you figure it out it gets easier
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Please make a 14.5" barrel for the WLVRN so I can shorted the package with a suppressor.
Just a want not a need lol
-PSA Upper that I didn't mention. -Rifle Speed adjustable gas block. -YHM fatcat.
-Geissele SSA-E.
-Maxim Defense stock. (That's why I removed the milled QD point.)
-Reptilia grip.
-Radian charging handle and selector.
-ESD sling w/t QD points
Trijicon RCO.
2k rounds isn't much. But that's my results.
Can you go over some good plate carrier pouches for the q53 mags?
@@stevecline8666 yes we will do that.
The clear Quattro mags are pretty neat, idk if i could count that many rounds accurately while shooting just using my memory.
Are you going to adapt it to 300 blk, since it takes similar mags, i wonder with the right follower if it would work. Seems it would be good for the nightmare of cqb.
Also i love the idea of bufferless direct impingement guns. More people making them would help work the bugs out.
@@markreynolds6715 eventually we will offer a 300 blk down the road.
@DesertTechUT thanx
What if the connecting material between the halves of the magazine adapter ran on the outside front of the magazine well? That way it’s doesn’t take up internal space
That is possible but the adapter would be quite large and not so small to stow away.
Here is one idea to solve the transition to a standard magazine: make the adapter integral to the magazine well. I'm sure you guys can come with a mechanical solution that can be activated with a lever or button.
This will demand a redesign of your lower, but in the long term I'm think it will pay off.
Do the mags still explode and shoot out all the rounds when dropped from hieghts?
They never did. You are referring to a youtuber who we sent pre-production mags to and we specifically told him the pre production resin was not strong enough to drop test, so what did he do he drop tested all of the mags and broke them. He did a followup video with our production magazine materials and they survive drop tests very well.
I am not sure if the cost to performance ratio is high enough for me to switch to this today. Probably not, as giggle switches are not legal and thus civilian SAWs don't exist.
But for those that just want better big magazines i am glad this exists. More compact than the double drum design, and more reliable than the old Surefire2-stack to 4-stack magazines.
And hopefully we can abolish the NFA and a whole lot of taxes, so that i have the money and legal safety of owning this rifle for weekend BRRRTTTTTTTT time soon.
Does that include a quick barrel change? All the light belt fed machine guns I used like the m240 and the m249 had quick change barrels??? they are heavy and clunky to carry around all day
Since you make ammunition as well, have you considered making a new cartridge and producing a new weapon from the ground up? Especially with some of these new high pressure and lighter weight case designs it'd be interesting to see what you could come up without any design limitations.
@@thomaslyons441 yes someday we will do that but that’s far down the road
My dream setup would be a quatro lower with an FRT, and a monolithic bufferless sidecharging upper.
Essentially a CMMG dissent upper with LMT's monolithic barrel change system, and Quatro+FRT feeding and firing
Truly a God-tier AR-PKM set up
That would be an awesome build for sure!
Did you fix the fragile mags and other issues with the rifle yet?
TGC drop tested pre-production mags which we told them were not drop test proof, but they dropped them against our advice. We sent them production resin mags shortly after and they drop tested those with very good results. Feel free to go watch their followup video, we also have a drop test video on our channel you can watch for real results.
What issues with the rifle are you referring to? Up to this point we only sold the lower by itself so owners built up their rifles.
You should look into Knoxx engineering. In 2004 they apparently experimented with new propellants that allowed them to get comparable velocities to 5.56 from a straight wall cartridge without significantly increasing overall pressure. I can’t provide a link because yt. A straight walled cartridge would further enhance the benefits of your design allowing you to pack even more ammo. Maybe even a quadstack that’s the same form factor as traditional 5.56 mags. I know you guys do some work with ammo production, so it might be worthwhile.
Just google “knoxx engineering straight wall 5.56”
You should apply this technology to a high capacity pistol chambered in 30 Super Carry.
Was going to recommend the same but scrolled to find your comment.
@@nickolasthefrogso about that, i did the triangle math to get an exact width of each stack (these mags have two stacks divided by a separator) and it works out to 13.06mm. Multiply that by two is 26.12mm. Add a 2mm separator plus two 4mm walls and we get a grand total of 36.12mm or 1.42".
From what I can tell that's already the size of a wide palmswell grip just for the magazine alone. Might limit who could actually use the thing to people with larger hands. Still an interesting opportunity with 30sc gaining a little bit of traction in the market. I don't think the caliber is going to die as rapidly as the 9mm bros initially thought.
@@brawndo8726 Beretta 92 is (edit: 1.5”) and feels fantastic in my medium glove. Reaching the decocker and mag release without breaking grip is highly overrated with any pistol, more so with a million rounds onboard. People get too focused on perceived fit at the sales counter or during dry fire and rarely get a chance to compare things under rapid fire. The bigger win is the opportunity for a good capacity carbine, considering the near-rifle velocities that Hi Point has mentioned attaining with reloads if this modern pressure case.
@@nickolasthefrogOh cool. I don't have a lot to compare things against so it's good to hear you think it would work.
If you want high velocity there's actually a 56 grain 30sc. Imaging firing this out of a carbine:
th-cam.com/video/7Luz0ZIR7I0/w-d-xo.html
Awesome. Looking forward to trying with my FRT.
I would love to see Desert Tech play with the cheek pistol PDW idea because your experience with bullpups and unusual eject mechanisms.
What caliber did you have in mind? 9mm?
@@DesertTechUT 7.5 fk to lean into the increased range & precision the cheek pistol idea seems to give.
use the elongated enclosed receiver that guns like the kel tech cp33 have that often are used for cheek pistols to shift the chamber rearward and increase barrel length by doing the rear extraction magazine like the Boberg Bond Arms pistols have. That way you get more velocity out of 7.5 FK cartridge with more barrel. Creating a bullpup cheek pistol.
@DesertTechUT is literally 10 minutes down the road from Flux Defense, making the P365 and P320 Flux Raiders. They could just take them for lunch and see how each other are doing…
@@DesertTechUT No, 9mm is overplayed and overused. 5.7x28 is starting to rise in popularity surprisingly quick, and is a much better PDW caliber than 9mm. Also, 5.7 Mags are pretty thin generally, even being double stacked. If you could work some space magic and make a quad stacked 5.7 cheek pistol that magically had good ergos, you could have something with ~50 rounds or more, with a ~200 yard engagement range, with AP capabilities, lighter ammo than 9mm. Basically, everything the p90 offers, but in a smaller and lighter package.
Compatible with any milspec upper?
Yup
Nice work!
If I had to clear a trench or clear devestated terrain and compounds, this would be beneficial to have.
Desert tech, you guys are the guys to 3xplain, because polymer case ammo sounds really cool, but how well does this polymer resist melting to the barrel in a hot chamber, or is it only intended to be run in open bolt weapons?
Also is there any reduction in cost between steel and brass cased ammunition?
I wish you guys could have put this rifle into the xm rifle competition instead if the bullpup
@@BigPhilsSaws polymer keeps the chamber cooler because it uses more heat resistant which raises the number of rounds to cook offs.
@@BigPhilsSaws as I mentioned in the video, the polymer case Is over twice as expensive than brass and the steel case from Shell shock technologies is only 14% more than milspec ball.
For some reason I feel like with a certain amount of R&D, as well as if the government bit on the idea, production costs would drastically reduce after a decade if production, similar to AR-15 rifles.
I also feel that after such a period, the g9vernment would abandon shellshok and swap to a lacquered steel case and reduce the cost further from the super stainless.
That is just hard for my pea brain to wrap around, that a steel case ammo offering is more expensive than brass.
Please keep doing God's work! You guys are awesome!!
You mentioned sub MOA. Does it come with a sub MOA guarantee?
If you don't name this Suzu Quatro ....you don't have a set!... i am liking the innovation with the round count, it's awesome that you didn't try to reinvent the wheel with the rifle.
I would buy a Quattro if you made 100 round mags for it. Its application is perfect for something like an AR RPK type build
Can the lower take cassette triggers? Like FRTs?
Yes
All questions & complaints aside, the innovation is impressive & amazing.
Wonder hove possible and how viable be to make .308 version of mag and rifle for actually be competitive with squad level automatic weapon. Mean worldwide.
Also why no have a one piece U-shaped adaptor that slides in from the front of the mag well to use standard mags, you already have cutouts that are close
A whole new magazine, wow you invented the update!
You should make a short-stack primary mag to reduce weight for passive/non-combat carry load.
this is the one that explodes when you drop the mag right?
@@jza61nick only if you drop preproduction mags that you were told weren’t drop test proof. Production mags do awesome we have a drop test video and TGC also redid their video with production mags. That happened because the TH-camr that got early access to the mags failed to listen.
I hope this becomes the new standard. Along with the locking lugs on the KAC bolts
What about designing a lower with a latching system in the magwell so you can insert standard mags or Quatro mags it would have to have the Quatro mags to have a tab added on it which trips the locking mechanism of the latch in the mag well to unlock and be pushed aside by insertion of the Quatro mag possibly springs that automatically push the latch back into standard position maybe even add a locking switch on the lower that can also keep it in Quatro ready? Idk how hard that would be to create cuz I'm not in manufacturing but an idea can help?
This is really cool and all but still just a ar15 in my opinion, is there any plans to integrate these kinds of magazines into the MDR and others?
I was hesitant, but i like this and i'm eyeing this as a California owner lol. A Quattro 15 featureless with a KLVRco PAL 👀
Pretty cool. I may have to get one.
Dirt & mud, nice. ARs are good for that, I'm glad your changes didn't change that part.
Thanks 👍
3:40 HOLDING the QMAG and the NGSAR in the same hands… Now just add a 2nd-Gen BLK-LBL Mantis (which leaves enough room for a suppressor like the ALX), a 300 BO Micron, and DTSS Flow-through can. With an 8.6 BO conversion kit.
8.6 Blackout wouldn't fit this. That requires a .308-sized receiver set.
@@TheYemcl The WLVRN and MDRX, pictured at 3:40, is a .308 platform that has smaller inserts to make 5.56 and 300BO fit. It is literally a 308 rifle in his hands.
I love this, worry that it is far ahead of its time though and the military may not adopt for a long time. Fingers crossed they take after any LE that chooses to rock these in some time
Interesting idea, hope it's successful.
And Where are you getting shell shock ammo that's "only 14% more the military surplus"?
I'd love to not pay $1+ per round, if you're getting it for under .50¢ a round.
On their website, If you subscribe to their ammo you get 15% discount
If I could get a Quattro MCX that would be sick. But for now I'll just have to stick with the QT-15 lower I've got and swap it around like a used sock. Quattro WLVRN should make up for this though!
I really like the Quattro, I got to play with one and liked it a lot, but I still have never ordered one. I would order a complete lower if it were offered, but not the complete rifle. I will still probably eventually buy a stripped lower.
I forgot about the magazine. How much is that gonna cost?
@@nicholasnapier2684 you can find that information on our website. The is a preorder promo going on right now too.
If you didn’t skeletonize the lower would that hurt the rifle much?
I love my quattro53, would be sweet if you collabed with PWS and made a quattro UXR .
Regarding the QMAG 53 on the bullpup... "impossibility": have you ever considered to have the trigger handle at an angle towards low-right / up-left to the weapon's roll-axis (for right hand users)? And viceversa for left had users.
This way your forearm doesn't encounters the QMAG 53, and actually has a more natural position in relation with the wrist.
PS - just a joke regarding QMAG 53... 53 = 53 "playing cards" (52 "weeks" plus the "The Joker" / 365th day). Add a 54th (a 2nd Joker) for the 366th day of the leap year. 🤣
Oh like the AN94 had the angled mag?
@@checkmate058 Yes.
Will the fat lower fit to an AR-18 upper?
It fits the BRN 180 upper
@@DesertTechUT Nice, I'm just thinking of shorter options. Good to know!
This with the 3 position frt
Outstanding design
I like my new quattro AR, it shoots reliably. I only have one complaint, there's no way of knowing how many rounds are left in the magazine. You make clear mags but don't sell them. I've tried to ordered clear ones from you, but only got the solid black ones. Every time I see a quattro-15 TH-cam video, I see the clear mags that I can't get for some unknown reason. I want clear mags!
The clear mag materials aren’t as strong and break more easily in drop testing.
Thank you for responding. Don't get me wrong, I love your product, but since you don't sell the clear ones, I was hoping that you would consider a window or some kind of ammo count indicater on your mags. It would be appreciated. I just wanted a clear mag because it would looks so cool on my gun. I wouldn't care if the mag didn't hold up to your breaking standards.
Very smart . you beat me to another great idea darn. will you chamber any rifles in 7x39 ?
We have sabertooth rifles in 7.62x39. 🤓
can you do the ambi bolt release like Falcor has its double paddles on both sides and mirrored to be symmetrical?
Not at this time
Will you be attempting to incorporate this into a new version of MDR? Or maybe a part upgrade?
Also have you considered a shorter version of the mag? Specifically for the MDR/bullpups. Because I like Halo I think the ergonomics of a smaller quad mag would fit better under the armpit, Bungie made an unrealistically small mag for the Halo BR (which is a bullpup) so it wouldn't stick out like a normal mag. but you made a realistic solution. Similar to how normal AR mags come in 30, 20, and 10.
They said they couldn't adapt the MDR because of linkage, which is sad indeed. I wonder how crazy a workaround would have to be
@ that's a shame but understandable. Maybe they'll develop a future bullpup with a redesign, not sure how financially feasible that would be but I sure would buy it.
Yeah, I do think some outside-the-box designs will become essential eventually.
In a scenario of an extended war where both sides have decent mfg capability, and actually want to win and aren't stuck in boomer peacetime or 3rd world conflict mindset, a lot of things would change quick from the status quo. I'm saying even with todays materials, there's a lot sitting on the table, so it's a matter of motivation and so just a matter of time.
In my head I've bounced around some layouts for alternative feeding for bullpups, because current (pre-quattro ;) mag designs are altogether limiting. And bullpups are the future for power and compactness. Time will tell...
@@googIesux I think Desert Tech is innovative. Maybe they haven't invented everything under the sun but they push the needle. I agree that the industry as a whole has hit a sort of stagnation but I think that's more to do with the law of physics than lack of innovative drive. To put it simply the puzzle has become harder to solve, like how Nick said Magpul was impressed at how they solved the quad mag feeding issue since they themselves had tried countless ideas. Innovation has become incremental whereas 100 years ago we were taking massive leaps in improvement so it's become more rare to achieve larger leaps of progress.
Definitely think there are still old timers holding progress back but not as some other industries. I would put more blame on top down gobermen regs.
So will the magazine be OpenSorce so PMAG can make one that will probably be even better?
No but the lower is available for licensing.
@@DesertTechUT Fair enough. I'm sure the R&D wasn't cheap.
@@DesertTechUT I imagine putting the lower in the public domain (or free with attribution) could net vastly more in magazine sales. If you’re controlling it because it’s hard to build and not just any manufacturer can do it right, that’s all the more reason to fully release it and let the hive reengineer it for you for free.
QMAG-53 with constant rate spring and roller like the sterling magazine
What parts of this rifle are made in-house?
if that lower works with an M27 upper, the Marine corps could benefit from it enormously.
A few years ago I wouldn't have thought so, but with the infantry switching to the M27 as a standard, this could easily result in a massive increase in firepower for the 0311s.
Yes I agree! The lower works with hk mr556 uppers so I expect t the m27 would fit.
Awesome!!!
This is sweet, and practical!