Please note this is NOT a long-term review! It has only been used for a few rides. But we will add long-term comments especially if we find problems. As usual we googled widely for rider comments which were all positive. Also we spoke with a few riders in Canada recently who use Giant Loop. Thumbs up all round. However if you've had negative experiences with Giant Loop let us know. As usual we are more interested in the negatives than the positives! --------------- Why don't I use Giant Loop? I'm a starving TH-camr lol. As per the vid I just strap a dry bag to the seat with octopus straps for everyday rides. And I currently have a Nemenu throw-over bag for bigger trips. th-cam.com/video/-unA_N8XyS0/w-d-xo.html --------------- Interesting option mentioned by a viewer. Green Chili Adventure HC Soft rack for USD179. It's essentially just strong straps that then allow you to strap on dry bags of your choice. Might be a good budget option? -------------- A few viewers have said the Enduristan gear is very high quality and lasts. Might be worth looking at.
I use both their coyote bag and the Mojave bag love them both durable and easy on and off the only thing I would look at other than giant loop would be Mosko Moto
Great gear. I've had the GL Great Basin for my 990 since 2012, the GL Coyote for touring with my 690 and then the GL Mojave for medical support on 690 or on 500. Also have the GL Diablo tank bag (for 990 & 690) and the handle bar pouch. Nice to have these options and the peace of mind of durable materials and sturdy mounting straps & hooks.
I use a Giant Loop Coyote on my KTM 530 for overnight / long weekend trips (plus a Wolfman Enduro tank bag). Works great. For day rides, I use a Wolfman tailbag along with the tank bag.
Been running enduristan blizzards on my 690 , Have beaten the ever living bejesus out of them , still going strong after 3 years , The miunting and design means i can get them to sit up high with the straps under the seat not over , and far enough back they are never in the way, Well worth a look,
I just got back from my first camping trip with the "TUSK HIGHLAND X2 RACKLESS LUGGAGE SYSTEM". I was very impressed, the material is rugged, kept the weight low, tight to the bike, and out of the way. The cost is much less than other options.
I love the Kriega os system - easy to use and keeps water & dust out. The Giant Loop stainless steel mounts are perfect for the Kriega lower mounting straps too.
I owned a Giant Loop Tillamook bag. I had it on my tail rack hauling my ten, sleeping pad and sleeping bag in the dry bag. I had one of the Giant loop pronghorn strap break during the ride. My dry bag flipped over and ended up in the exhaust stream of my bike on a tarmac section. The hot exhaust burned a hole in the bag and caught the contents on fire. Giant loop replaced the broken strap and sent me a brand new dry bag for reporting the faulty strap and having the manufacturing date on the packaging that I kept. They assured me that no one else had reported a problem with that era of straps but replace it no questions asked. Fantastic company to do business with.
Great to hear about the good support. But still a bummer about the strap. I did a lot of googling to try and find reported problems with Giant Loop and there was nothing about faulty straps thankfully.
These are 2 alternative rackless options, hard wearing and can hold a lot or a little, Bumot Xtremada TT Rackless Saddle Bags and Altrider Hemisphere, both available in Australia. The pouches provide a bit of protection to the bag.
Absolutely love the Coyote! & Medium Krieger rear bag I use it on my 570 & about to use on my 890 Will always buy Giant loop after the great run I've had
Good to hear! Everyone seems to like Giant Loop. One guy said he broke a buckle but the customer service was excellent. Replaced free of charge and paid for some gear he lost as a result.
I have the 21 Brothers Rogal which is a high quality but cheaper version of the horseshoe bag (300 Euros for the XL). I haven't taken it out on a trip yet though so it still needs to be road tested. Previous to this I was just using a waterproof Lomo duffel bag attached to the back seat with Rokstraps. That worked extremely well.
Good to hear. Let us know if it stays on or not. I think a lot of riders moved away from fender bags as sometimes even the quality ones could fail to stay in place. We'll be keeping a close eye on my friend's...
I just fitted a cheap plastic ammo box but used the roto pak mount on the rack to hold it down after i cut out the oblong hole...works great with the cheap Chinese rhino type bag's...all removable
Using Rhinowalk. No problems so far. Very adjustable and easy to move around different bikes. I have soft side bags, 14l each side and a 20l that straps to the rear of the seat for longer trips. Plenty of places then to strap a 6 litre Desertfox bladder on top. All works a treat.
I have the Kriega OS rackless soft system and it’s been great. It’s tough, durable and waterproof. The only downside is the price. I also have an Ortlieb roll side duffle for camping gear if needed, also excellent (did a 4 month Moto camping trip through Europe, Russia etc)
Years ago I looked into luggage and everyone said Kriega was the best. But then I saw the price... ouch! That's when I opted for spending $40 on some dry bags and octopus straps lol.
I have fitted a pair of cycle-bags really low in front of my footpegs on my XT660Z instead of a big bag on the passenger place. It made a huge difference to lower the weight on an already heavy bike.
Pretty cool system mate I’m still running my old gear sacks 25 years of abuse still keeping my crap onboard soft luggage is the sh1t might be time to upgrade great vid baz hope ya well cobba cheers
Hi i bought MOJAVE bags used from a friend a year ago ,(too narrow and sat too high for his 2023 KTM690.Paid 180e bargain very pleased.,imodded the straps so the pro "locking" strap can easily strap to the frame which works well.They've been covered in dust but none inside.Its worth using silicone grease on the zips.They minimally affect handling.Its other stuff higher up that does. Def considering the handlebar bag and poss some other bags. critiscism -with a small rack bag small top bag and handlebar bag i run a bit short on space for a 4 day trip.If you camp get the bigger ones.They stay fixed to my CRF for every trip (almost)as they dont affect the handling.Cheers Skipper.
My mate didn't get the bar bag but I saw it on some bikes in Canada, Nickl. Looks like a good bit of kit but didn't ask about the overall quality. The main issue with bar bags I hear is that the textile ones can wear through easily with all the constant movement?
@@crosstrainingadventure Corrrec,t i have (textile)on 2 different bikes ,useful for a sweat towel ,glasses + multitool(to cut open string/ wire on a gate if stuck lots here in greece)but ive had one repaired already(torn mount) + the zip tab breaks off so you have to put a tiny key ring through it.The black colour fades away.All my cheap gear i have ended up replacing.I hang mine over the speedo so it moves about less and more support.
The only tank bag I have is made of leather and cost quite a bit. Aussie made. But it lasts forever and I figured it was worth it after so many guys told me the textile ones wear through and you lose stuff. www.kellyenduroproducts.com.au/kelly-handle-bar-bag/
Looks like, and is reported to be, top quality gear. Soft luggage system seems the way to go. As being a poor, starving TH-camr, I went the half and half option - with pannier racks with soft bags. Cheers for the up-load 😎👍
Couldn't find any complaints. One viewer said he likes his Giant Loop but the main buckle broke. Keen to see if it's a cheap buckle or he put too much stress on it.
Using the Kriega OS system with harness on my 690. You can fit their 6, 12, or 18l on the harness. For travel I use either a 20l or 30l Kriega bag as a top bag. Plenty of hooks and loops for attachment. The biggest downside is you have to disconnect the top bag to refuel the 690/701 platforms. Price is relative, but I think Kriega is pretty good value for the gear and their 10year warranty is solid. I had a claim on an OS32 last year. They were very good to work with. No hassles whatsoever.
My friend with the 701 was concerned about fuel access which was a pretty big reason for opting for the Giant Loop Mojave. The rear tail bag sits a bit further to the rear than is ideal but the fuel cap is easily accessed. 10 year warranty on the Kriega is impressive!
I bought Rhinowalk's MT1428 rackless, 28L soft panniers. I was skeptical, based on price, when I bought them but I couldn't really afford to spend $500+ on more well known brands... I just completed an almost 2000 km trip, including quite a lot of off pavement riding, and I'm really surprised how good these Rhinowalk panniers are. They have taken considerable abuse so far with no signs of damage other than a bit of scuffing. They are also completely waterproof, as advertised.
@@crosstrainingadventure Me too, but I have a good feeling. I had one tip over on a steep, boulder filled descent and the bike went down pretty hard. The pannier on that side looked none the worse. I also found out that 28L is the perfect size for a long trip as I was able to pack all the essentials, but nothing superfluous, while touring over the last 2 weeks
I use tusk rackless on my DR 650 and for a tail bag i have a soft case tacklebox with bungee straps ran through it. Been using this for a couple years. I like them. I also have a giant loop on my handle bars. It is nice.
I did see the Tusk gear but it seems it hasn't been out for long and I couldn't find long term reports. One review said it's tricky to fit. Does it seem to be good quality? I figure it's just generic Chinese made gear and Rocky Mountain have had their Tusk brand put on?
@@crosstrainingadventure it does seem to be well built. I have the smaller tusk bags and they can be difficult to get things in and out of them but the things i carry it isnt too bad. They are not water resistant at all. I keep my tire pump in one of the water proof liners that came with them. The were easy to fit on my dr650 but i do have the small suzuki luggage rack on the back fender. I also filed the rear footpeg mount edges off before i put the bags on 2 years ago and i have not hurt a strap at all. The only crashes i have had was just falling over so no slides. So far have held up to that.
I use Giant Loops gear. I have several of their luggage bags. I have the Great Basin and their dry bag both the Tillamook and the Rouge, gas bladder, and 2 possible pouches too. I used them on multi night camping trips. I too like them a as there are no additional rack needed to install on your motorcycle adding additional weight. You will have to learn how to pack. I mean the Great Basin. Best to go minimalist. Depending on how remote you are going, there is no real need to bring the kitchen sink.
Currently using Nduro baggage from Red mamut, on my Husqvarna 350 on TET rides around Europe, pretty cheap option to Mosko from Poland, they tend to wear on friction points after really long rides on bumpy off-road rides, I tend to think around 40 to 80 days of rides will ask for new bags or some significant repairs.
I love my Giant Loop Mojave and Coyote. You failed to mention that unlike rack systems you can easily transfer rackless systems from one bike to another, even to a borrowed or rental bike. My GL setups jump between my KLX300 and KTM 890 Adventure on a regular basis with out the need for any addition hardware.
We could have highlighted that more, Pete. At the end of the vid we did say he's going to use it on his enduro bike too. Nice choice of bike there! Enjoying the KLX?
The ONLY complaint I have about my Giant Loop products is self inflicted. I bought the coyote bag (the smaller horse shoe shaped bag) used, and the previous owner cut the straps just long enough to install on my bike. Other than that, they have been fantastic bags!
I also own a Rogue Dry bag, and the Buck and Roll tank bag. Everything is excellent. Especially the tank bag, which hasn't missed a single ride since I purchased it over a year ago.
I use a coyote bag (the old version with zip) both on my KTM 690 and 890 since almost 10 years on any kind of trip. It is my standard choice. The coyote bag is simple, functional and very robust. The coyote protects the bike especially if dropped offroad. One very important benefit is the fitment to the bike and that almost the full range of movement remains available for the rider, good for active riding. The 690 rear tank requires loosing the straps and hooks for refilling. With some experience the additional effort is a matter of less than a minute. That is acceptable in my opinion. Even more comfortable for long-distance travel is the installation of a Safari front tank (14 l) which made re-filling and hydraulic balancing easy. When I bought my coyote bag in 2015 (sale by Touratech Germany) the price was very reasonable. The current pricing of soft baggage, whether Kriega, Mosko or Giant Loop, is in my opinion rather on the high side compared to the often simple construction and not so expensive materials used.
10 years is a good run. I think that's where opting for the more expensive brands can work out cheaper in the long run. If it lasts and you use it a lot? Get the good gear! I have no doubt some brands are cashing in on the fact that adventure riding is getting very popular and plenty of riders are cashed up.
I bought a Mosko tail bag when they first came out but now Mosko gear is ridiculously expensive They are very strong and over engineered but super HEAVY. They are the go-to brand for the Latte Adventureres . Easy way to spot a cashed up newbie
I think one of the reasons the giant loop may be cheaper is that nugget that they're water resistant rather than waterproof like the kriega, enduristan and mosko versions are
Found a problem with the small tank bag, most likely my own fault but I was used it at cold temperatures and the clear plastic film on the front split from the cold and is now in peices, currently using packaging tape over it.
I prefer the mosko moto because of the easily removable dry bags. You can take the contents of your bag away from the bike without removing the whole system. That being said, these rackless setups are so easy to install it only takes maybe 2 or 3 minutes
If I was going to get a setup like this I'd definitely want to get the bags off quickly. On an overnight ride I hate fiddling around trying to remove luggage lol.
I have the rhinowalk 48l panniers. Great quality for the price. Fit up nicely to the DR. Haven't been used in anger yet. Only downside so far is the stupid name...
Probably won't know how good they are for a year or three? It usually takes time to see if the cheaper luggage starts splitting at the seams or wearing through where it touches the bike. Or buckles break etc. Some Chinese manufacturers just rebrand the same stuff for various groups. Be interesting to see if Rhinowalk is the same as Tusk...
They are pretty popular here in Thailand. I see a lot of guys with them, and have only read good reviews about them in FB groups. I have 2 of the stackable bags. They are cheaper and super solid. The small one I use daily to carry tools and snacks. It has held up great. I just got the panniers and have only one 3 day trip with them, no crashes with them yet. But they did stay dry in some heavy rain that fried my quadlock usb charger. Overall I am happy with them, especially for the price. But time will.
I use the MM Reckless 80 for my 890 and 701 as I like the separate dry bags and the extensions for fuel canisters and lube/water/etc. But for my 350, I was looking at either: MM reckless 10 (2x5L) for $330 @4.6lbs. Beaver Tail and seperate dry bag Giant Loop MoJavi (2x6L) for $310 @3.0 lbs. No separate dry bag or Beaver tail, but has 2L more capacity and weights 1.6lbs less. Green Chili Adventure HC Soft rack for $179 + dry bags (depends). I like that it has additional supports and I can use whatever bags I want. But there is a convenience factor and I don't know if the supports are really needed as I mainly use the 350 for gnarly day trips and single track. Mainly for repair kit, fuel canister, first aid, and maybe a rain jacket. II don't like tank bags on my 350 so I use a USWE for water and chewies.
the Green Chili looks interesting! I like the idea of just strapping dry bags to it. I might pop that into the pinned first comment as another option. Is the MM Reckless good quality from what you've seen so far?
@@crosstrainingadventure I’ve had the MM Reckless 10 on my 2020 701 from the start. I live and ride in the Southwest US. Our rides are mostly sand and rocks. Before deciding on the Reckless 10, I considered GL and Green Chili. I ride solo 1/2 the time and realized I’d really like the bags to hold the bike off my leg in a fall. The GL and Green Chili solutions didn’t really seem tough enough to survive hits from sharp rocks (although you could attach tough bags to Green Chili). I was really impressed with the Mosko design with the super tough holsters, holding the fairly stout dry bags. My bike has been down a handful of times in 4 years (😏 scout’s honor) and those holsters are unscathed. Last year, I was solo and got in over my head on a rocky steep, I just laid the bike down on a handguard and sidebag and pivoted it. They aren’t the lightest but they’re like side mounted bash plates. Yeah, big fanboy here.
I've been using soft rack-less luggage since forever, I really can't think of a better system for most of your off-roading, long or short trips. I've got Kriega and Green Chili set ups at the moment, but have slowly come to the conclusion that ANY cheap tough waterproof roll top bags is all that's required. A little effort to think about how you secure the bags, and there is a multitude of strapping ideas out there. Think military Molle strapping for example. Giant Loop stuff is great, but really, you can spend 1/10th of the money and build a system yourself. Used the money saved to ride further......
@@crosstrainingadventure It's funny. I've retired recently and I'm in a pretty comfortable financial position, yet I take some care to find solutions beyond merely buying something exxy and accepting the cost. Chinese Molle "Baseplate" is a good place to start. Nail that one item down hard and then attach a thousand different things to it. Cheap and indestructible.
soft luggage is cheaper than hard boxes? not where I go, the soft stuff is twice the price, the top box I might put on my New V-Strom 250SX is $180NZ and the much smaller soft option is well over $200, needs extra things to attach it, and can't securely hold what I am likely to put in it. Yes I might go for soft bags on the side, but the Top box has reflectors on it for added visibility (and goes along with the colour scheme well so that's not going to look stupid) and because it can be locked with a key, can't be cut and removed easily, is much safer If I park it out the front of a shop! The soft options for the side, well because they are compact, are only big enough to put wet weather gear in. and maybe water, and a first aid kit in the other side... I don't want a wide bike, I want it to be useable everywhere, do motorbike things, big hard sides make that difficult. but as for going through forests & trails in the middle of nowhere, there aren't many places to do that recreationally, it will probably never happen. that's one day event/race territory only, for full on dirtbikes, where luggage is not an option!
I think the price depends on the quality you are aiming for. E.g. I've only listed the premium soft luggage in this vid. If you look at options like Tusk it's way cheaper. But we don't know how they hold up long term yet.
Too expensive.. It does match the $1000 Alpinestars clothing, $700 Shoei helmet and $500 Gaerne boots though...lol....Better and cheaper alternatives are available.....
I must admit I'll go budget on a lot of stuff. So it's just an battered old dry bag and octopus straps for my luggage lol. Although I'll fork out the money for some things e.g. Gaerne boots as they last so long they wind up being the cheapest in the long run.
I'm skeptical about the GL stuff now with USWE take over. I have a Coyote behind the Mojavi bag, for my luggage. 9 years and 8 years old. After probably 75k km, between two KLRs, there's some wear marks, a 3 inch restitching job, and zippers are good and beefy. The Coyote will get loose and it only grabs the edge of the seat. I changed that after my first 18 day, 10000km trip. It is fastened to the frame at the back of the seat, with a GL stainless loop on side and two heavy duty key rings on the other. My experience with welded seam drybags and rainsuits is why I prefer the old school stitched construction. The Kriega and Enduristan products look pretty nice and modular. The biggest thing about soft luggage is to train yourself to be minimalist, especially if your dirty minded. 🙌MotoHobo🏍🏕
I didn't know about the USWE take over. Lets hope it doesn't lead to cost cutting. I know many of us thought Klim might have done that when the Mormon owners sold it to Polaris Industries. It seems the quality has stayed the same so far.
Please note this is NOT a long-term review! It has only been used for a few rides. But we will add long-term comments especially if we find problems. As usual we googled widely for rider comments which were all positive. Also we spoke with a few riders in Canada recently who use Giant Loop. Thumbs up all round. However if you've had negative experiences with Giant Loop let us know. As usual we are more interested in the negatives than the positives!
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Why don't I use Giant Loop? I'm a starving TH-camr lol. As per the vid I just strap a dry bag to the seat with octopus straps for everyday rides. And I currently have a Nemenu throw-over bag for bigger trips. th-cam.com/video/-unA_N8XyS0/w-d-xo.html
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Interesting option mentioned by a viewer. Green Chili Adventure HC Soft rack for USD179. It's essentially just strong straps that then allow you to strap on dry bags of your choice. Might be a good budget option?
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A few viewers have said the Enduristan gear is very high quality and lasts. Might be worth looking at.
Glad to hear you're digging the luggage. Thanks for the update!
I use both their coyote bag and the Mojave bag love them both durable and easy on and off the only thing I would look at other than giant loop would be Mosko Moto
I’m a fan of the green chili system. Cheaper, lightweight, and allows for any dry bags to be fitted
Yep, just had a look at that as another viewer mentioned it. Looks like a great idea. I've added it to the pinned first comment.
Great gear. I've had the GL Great Basin for my 990 since 2012, the GL Coyote for touring with my 690 and then the GL Mojave for medical support on 690 or on 500. Also have the GL Diablo tank bag (for 990 & 690) and the handle bar pouch. Nice to have these options and the peace of mind of durable materials and sturdy mounting straps & hooks.
I use a Giant Loop Coyote on my KTM 530 for overnight / long weekend trips (plus a Wolfman Enduro tank bag). Works great. For day rides, I use a Wolfman tailbag along with the tank bag.
The mighty 530! Had a 525 years ago. Awesome bikes.
Been running enduristan blizzards on my 690 ,
Have beaten the ever living bejesus out of them , still going strong after 3 years ,
The miunting and design means i can get them to sit up high with the straps under the seat not over , and far enough back they are never in the way,
Well worth a look,
I just got back from my first camping trip with the "TUSK HIGHLAND X2 RACKLESS LUGGAGE SYSTEM". I was very impressed, the material is rugged, kept the weight low, tight to the bike, and out of the way. The cost is much less than other options.
I love the Kriega os system - easy to use and keeps water & dust out.
The Giant Loop stainless steel mounts are perfect for the Kriega lower mounting straps too.
I owned a Giant Loop Tillamook bag. I had it on my tail rack hauling my ten, sleeping pad and sleeping bag in the dry bag. I had one of the Giant loop pronghorn strap break during the ride. My dry bag flipped over and ended up in the exhaust stream of my bike on a tarmac section. The hot exhaust burned a hole in the bag and caught the contents on fire. Giant loop replaced the broken strap and sent me a brand new dry bag for reporting the faulty strap and having the manufacturing date on the packaging that I kept. They assured me that no one else had reported a problem with that era of straps but replace it no questions asked. Fantastic company to do business with.
Great to hear about the good support. But still a bummer about the strap. I did a lot of googling to try and find reported problems with Giant Loop and there was nothing about faulty straps thankfully.
Excellent advise as usual!
Cheers Terry!
Using the Rhinowalk bags on my 690 and I like them. Crash tested already and they've survived better than my riding gear. 🙂
Rhinowalk on a 607/701 are an excellent fit and last well
These are 2 alternative rackless options, hard wearing and can hold a lot or a little, Bumot Xtremada TT Rackless Saddle Bags and Altrider Hemisphere, both available in Australia. The pouches provide a bit of protection to the bag.
Definitely the way to go and gives you the flexibility to adjust your storage needs …. Thanks for the video 🎥🏍👌
Our pleasure!
Absolutely love the Coyote! & Medium Krieger rear bag I use it on my 570 & about to use on my 890
Will always buy Giant loop after the great run I've had
Good to hear! Everyone seems to like Giant Loop. One guy said he broke a buckle but the customer service was excellent. Replaced free of charge and paid for some gear he lost as a result.
I've used old jeans as a luggage system. All over the Kalahari desert. Works if you're in a pinch.
I've seen that before, looks great! I've always love the cheap dodgy approach to motorbike stuff instead of handing over big wads of cash lol.
If you're ever planning to come to SA, we'll take good care of you. Great ridng here.
I have the 21 Brothers Rogal which is a high quality but cheaper version of the horseshoe bag (300 Euros for the XL). I haven't taken it out on a trip yet though so it still needs to be road tested. Previous to this I was just using a waterproof Lomo duffel bag attached to the back seat with Rokstraps. That worked extremely well.
I just bought the little front fender bag for my KTM 500, it's great. Very well made and looks to be secured to the fender very well.
Good to hear. Let us know if it stays on or not. I think a lot of riders moved away from fender bags as sometimes even the quality ones could fail to stay in place. We'll be keeping a close eye on my friend's...
I just fitted a cheap plastic ammo box but used the roto pak mount on the rack to hold it down after i cut out the oblong hole...works great with the cheap Chinese rhino type bag's...all removable
Giant loop looks low and flexible, superb
Using Rhinowalk. No problems so far. Very adjustable and easy to move around different bikes. I have soft side bags, 14l each side and a 20l that straps to the rear of the seat for longer trips.
Plenty of places then to strap a 6 litre Desertfox bladder on top.
All works a treat.
Good to know!
I have the Kriega OS rackless soft system and it’s been great. It’s tough, durable and waterproof. The only downside is the price. I also have an Ortlieb roll side duffle for camping gear if needed, also excellent (did a 4 month Moto camping trip through Europe, Russia etc)
Years ago I looked into luggage and everyone said Kriega was the best. But then I saw the price... ouch! That's when I opted for spending $40 on some dry bags and octopus straps lol.
I have fitted a pair of cycle-bags really low in front of my footpegs on my XT660Z instead of a big bag on the passenger place. It made a huge difference to lower the weight on an already heavy bike.
Definitely makes a difference hey Peter? At least on mid-sized bikes and lighter....
Pretty cool system mate I’m still running my old gear sacks 25 years of abuse still keeping my crap onboard soft luggage is the sh1t might be time to upgrade great vid baz hope ya well cobba cheers
All good here, Tazy. Always good to have old stuff that just keeps on going.
Hi i bought MOJAVE bags used from a friend a year ago ,(too narrow and sat too high for his 2023 KTM690.Paid 180e bargain very pleased.,imodded the straps so the pro "locking" strap can easily strap to the frame which works well.They've been covered in dust but none inside.Its worth using silicone grease on the zips.They minimally affect handling.Its other stuff higher up that does.
Def considering the handlebar bag and poss some other bags.
critiscism -with a small rack bag small top bag and handlebar bag i run a bit short on space for a 4 day trip.If you camp get the bigger ones.They stay fixed to my CRF for every trip (almost)as they dont affect the handling.Cheers Skipper.
My mate didn't get the bar bag but I saw it on some bikes in Canada, Nickl. Looks like a good bit of kit but didn't ask about the overall quality. The main issue with bar bags I hear is that the textile ones can wear through easily with all the constant movement?
@@crosstrainingadventure Corrrec,t i have (textile)on 2 different bikes ,useful for a sweat towel ,glasses + multitool(to cut open string/ wire on a gate if stuck lots here in greece)but ive had one repaired already(torn mount) + the zip tab breaks off so you have to put a tiny key ring through it.The black colour fades away.All my cheap gear i have ended up replacing.I hang mine over the speedo so it moves about less and more support.
The only tank bag I have is made of leather and cost quite a bit. Aussie made. But it lasts forever and I figured it was worth it after so many guys told me the textile ones wear through and you lose stuff. www.kellyenduroproducts.com.au/kelly-handle-bar-bag/
Love Giant Loop stuff! 💪🏻
I have had good experience with Enduristan's Blizzard saddle bags 👍
USD550. Looks like you can fit a lot in those. So good quality so far?
Looks like, and is reported to be, top quality gear. Soft luggage system seems the way to go. As being a poor, starving TH-camr, I went the half and half option - with pannier racks with soft bags. Cheers for the up-load 😎👍
Couldn't find any complaints. One viewer said he likes his Giant Loop but the main buckle broke. Keen to see if it's a cheap buckle or he put too much stress on it.
Using the Kriega OS system with harness on my 690. You can fit their 6, 12, or 18l on the harness. For travel I use either a 20l or 30l Kriega bag as a top bag. Plenty of hooks and loops for attachment.
The biggest downside is you have to disconnect the top bag to refuel the 690/701 platforms.
Price is relative, but I think Kriega is pretty good value for the gear and their 10year warranty is solid. I had a claim on an OS32 last year. They were very good to work with. No hassles whatsoever.
My friend with the 701 was concerned about fuel access which was a pretty big reason for opting for the Giant Loop Mojave. The rear tail bag sits a bit further to the rear than is ideal but the fuel cap is easily accessed. 10 year warranty on the Kriega is impressive!
I bought Rhinowalk's MT1428 rackless, 28L soft panniers. I was skeptical, based on price, when I bought them but I couldn't really afford to spend $500+ on more well known brands...
I just completed an almost 2000 km trip, including quite a lot of off pavement riding, and I'm really surprised how good these Rhinowalk panniers are. They have taken considerable abuse so far with no signs of damage other than a bit of scuffing. They are also completely waterproof, as advertised.
The price is good! Be very interested to see how they hold up long term...
@@crosstrainingadventure Me too, but I have a good feeling. I had one tip over on a steep, boulder filled descent and the bike went down pretty hard. The pannier on that side looked none the worse. I also found out that 28L is the perfect size for a long trip as I was able to pack all the essentials, but nothing superfluous, while touring over the last 2 weeks
I use tusk rackless on my DR 650 and for a tail bag i have a soft case tacklebox with bungee straps ran through it. Been using this for a couple years. I like them. I also have a giant loop on my handle bars. It is nice.
I did see the Tusk gear but it seems it hasn't been out for long and I couldn't find long term reports. One review said it's tricky to fit. Does it seem to be good quality? I figure it's just generic Chinese made gear and Rocky Mountain have had their Tusk brand put on?
@@crosstrainingadventure it does seem to be well built. I have the smaller tusk bags and they can be difficult to get things in and out of them but the things i carry it isnt too bad. They are not water resistant at all. I keep my tire pump in one of the water proof liners that came with them. The were easy to fit on my dr650 but i do have the small suzuki luggage rack on the back fender. I also filed the rear footpeg mount edges off before i put the bags on 2 years ago and i have not hurt a strap at all. The only crashes i have had was just falling over so no slides. So far have held up to that.
👍 I wonder if you could make them a bit water-resistant with that waterproofing spray you can spray on tents and raincoats?
I use Giant Loops gear. I have several of their luggage bags. I have the Great Basin and their dry bag both the Tillamook and the Rouge, gas bladder, and 2 possible pouches too. I used them on multi night camping trips. I too like them a as there are no additional rack needed to install on your motorcycle adding additional weight. You will have to learn how to pack. I mean the Great Basin. Best to go minimalist. Depending on how remote you are going, there is no real need to bring the kitchen sink.
Same here, I always go minimalist. Crazy how much gear some guys carry and their bikes handle like a hippo lol.
Currently using Nduro baggage from Red mamut, on my Husqvarna 350 on TET rides around Europe, pretty cheap option to Mosko from Poland, they tend to wear on friction points after really long rides on bumpy off-road rides, I tend to think around 40 to 80 days of rides will ask for new bags or some significant repairs.
Bummer about the wear. Viewers tell me the Mosko material is very thick but there's also the weight... very heavy for soft luggage. 🤔
I love my Giant Loop Mojave and Coyote. You failed to mention that unlike rack systems you can easily transfer rackless systems from one bike to another, even to a borrowed or rental bike. My GL setups jump between my KLX300 and KTM 890 Adventure on a regular basis with out the need for any addition hardware.
We could have highlighted that more, Pete. At the end of the vid we did say he's going to use it on his enduro bike too. Nice choice of bike there! Enjoying the KLX?
The ONLY complaint I have about my Giant Loop products is self inflicted. I bought the coyote bag (the smaller horse shoe shaped bag) used, and the previous owner cut the straps just long enough to install on my bike. Other than that, they have been fantastic bags!
I also own a Rogue Dry bag, and the Buck and Roll tank bag. Everything is excellent. Especially the tank bag, which hasn't missed a single ride since I purchased it over a year ago.
I use a coyote bag (the old version with zip) both on my KTM 690 and 890 since almost 10 years on any kind of trip.
It is my standard choice.
The coyote bag is simple, functional and very robust. The coyote protects the bike especially if dropped offroad.
One very important benefit is the fitment to the bike and that almost the full range of movement remains available for the rider, good for active riding.
The 690 rear tank requires loosing the straps and hooks for refilling.
With some experience the additional effort is a matter of less than a minute.
That is acceptable in my opinion.
Even more comfortable for long-distance travel is the installation of a Safari front tank (14 l) which made re-filling and hydraulic balancing easy.
When I bought my coyote bag in 2015 (sale by Touratech Germany) the price was very reasonable.
The current pricing of soft baggage, whether Kriega, Mosko or Giant Loop, is in my opinion rather on the high side compared to the often simple construction and not so expensive materials used.
10 years is a good run. I think that's where opting for the more expensive brands can work out cheaper in the long run. If it lasts and you use it a lot? Get the good gear! I have no doubt some brands are cashing in on the fact that adventure riding is getting very popular and plenty of riders are cashed up.
I bought a Mosko tail bag when they first came out but now Mosko gear is ridiculously expensive
They are very strong and over engineered but super HEAVY.
They are the go-to brand for the Latte Adventureres . Easy way to spot a cashed up newbie
My r80 is 13 lbs, crazy. It’s over 1/3 of my total luggage weight. I need to find an alternative
Damn. I wouldn't be wanting to add that much weight to lighter bikes like the KTM 690 or DRZ....
I think one of the reasons the giant loop may be cheaper is that nugget that they're water resistant rather than waterproof like the kriega, enduristan and mosko versions are
And possibly lighter too? No sure about Kriega but the thick very durable material of the Mosko makes it very heavy, I'm told.
Found a problem with the small tank bag, most likely my own fault but I was used it at cold temperatures and the clear plastic film on the front split from the cold and is now in peices, currently using packaging tape over it.
Bummer. Cheap plastics become brittle between 0 and -20C. It wouldn't be difficult to choose a plastic that was lower than that. 🤔
I prefer the mosko moto because of the easily removable dry bags. You can take the contents of your bag away from the bike without removing the whole system. That being said, these rackless setups are so easy to install it only takes maybe 2 or 3 minutes
If I was going to get a setup like this I'd definitely want to get the bags off quickly. On an overnight ride I hate fiddling around trying to remove luggage lol.
Any thoughts on the Rhinowalk soft luggage? It looks the part and is more reasonably priced than the brands you attend to in the video.
I have the rhinowalk 48l panniers. Great quality for the price. Fit up nicely to the DR. Haven't been used in anger yet. Only downside so far is the stupid name...
Use the base and 10L bags. Like the molle straps so you can add other bags and strap them on. No problems with the bags.
Probably won't know how good they are for a year or three? It usually takes time to see if the cheaper luggage starts splitting at the seams or wearing through where it touches the bike. Or buckles break etc. Some Chinese manufacturers just rebrand the same stuff for various groups. Be interesting to see if Rhinowalk is the same as Tusk...
They are pretty popular here in Thailand. I see a lot of guys with them, and have only read good reviews about them in FB groups. I have 2 of the stackable bags. They are cheaper and super solid. The small one I use daily to carry tools and snacks. It has held up great. I just got the panniers and have only one 3 day trip with them, no crashes with them yet. But they did stay dry in some heavy rain that fried my quadlock usb charger. Overall I am happy with them, especially for the price. But time will.
@@harrisonmcclain8365 Thank you.
I use the MM Reckless 80 for my 890 and 701 as I like the separate dry bags and the extensions for fuel canisters and lube/water/etc.
But for my 350, I was looking at either:
MM reckless 10 (2x5L) for $330 @4.6lbs. Beaver Tail and seperate dry bag
Giant Loop MoJavi (2x6L) for $310 @3.0 lbs. No separate dry bag or Beaver tail, but has 2L more capacity and weights 1.6lbs less.
Green Chili Adventure HC Soft rack for $179 + dry bags (depends). I like that it has additional supports and I can use whatever bags I want. But there is a convenience factor and I don't know if the supports are really needed as I mainly use the 350 for gnarly day trips and single track.
Mainly for repair kit, fuel canister, first aid, and maybe a rain jacket. II don't like tank bags on my 350 so I use a USWE for water and chewies.
the Green Chili looks interesting! I like the idea of just strapping dry bags to it. I might pop that into the pinned first comment as another option. Is the MM Reckless good quality from what you've seen so far?
@@crosstrainingadventure
I’ve had the MM Reckless 10 on my 2020 701 from the start. I live and ride in the Southwest US. Our rides are mostly sand and rocks.
Before deciding on the Reckless 10, I considered GL and Green Chili. I ride solo 1/2 the time and realized I’d really like the bags to hold the bike off my leg in a fall.
The GL and Green Chili solutions didn’t really seem tough enough to survive hits from sharp rocks (although you could attach tough bags to Green Chili). I was really impressed with the Mosko design with the super tough holsters, holding the fairly stout dry bags. My bike has been down a handful of times in 4 years (😏 scout’s honor) and those holsters are unscathed. Last year, I was solo and got in over my head on a rocky steep, I just laid the bike down on a handguard and sidebag and pivoted it. They aren’t the lightest but they’re like side mounted bash plates. Yeah, big fanboy here.
I've been using soft rack-less luggage since forever, I really can't think of a better system for most of your off-roading, long or short trips. I've got Kriega and Green Chili set ups at the moment, but have slowly come to the conclusion that ANY cheap tough waterproof roll top bags is all that's required. A little effort to think about how you secure the bags, and there is a multitude of strapping ideas out there. Think military Molle strapping for example. Giant Loop stuff is great, but really, you can spend 1/10th of the money and build a system yourself. Used the money saved to ride further......
That's more my approach lol. Budget all the way. I just looked at the Molle strapping and looks like a gret idea.
@@crosstrainingadventure It's funny. I've retired recently and I'm in a pretty comfortable financial position, yet I take some care to find solutions beyond merely buying something exxy and accepting the cost. Chinese Molle "Baseplate" is a good place to start. Nail that one item down hard and then attach a thousand different things to it. Cheap and indestructible.
Nemunu 😊
I love my Nemenu also, & inexpensive when the euro is deflated 😊
Yep I have one and reviewed it. Ridiculously cheap last year with the exchange rates!
@crosstrainingadventure I remember what video :) I didn't know what Nemunu from Lihthuania like I am 🤣🤣🤣
Still think your Chanel on TH-cam is the best. I grew up like a rider on TH-cam. Start from Doctor 650 5 years ago. Thank you so much.
Prašom! Ar tau vis dar priklauso kiaulė? DR650?
The old Mojave was better not waterproof but easy fix with plastic bags. GL still sells it
soft luggage is cheaper than hard boxes? not where I go, the soft stuff is twice the price, the top box I might put on my New V-Strom 250SX is $180NZ and the much smaller soft option is well over $200, needs extra things to attach it, and can't securely hold what I am likely to put in it. Yes I might go for soft bags on the side, but the Top box has reflectors on it for added visibility (and goes along with the colour scheme well so that's not going to look stupid) and because it can be locked with a key, can't be cut and removed easily, is much safer If I park it out the front of a shop!
The soft options for the side, well because they are compact, are only big enough to put wet weather gear in. and maybe water, and a first aid kit in the other side... I don't want a wide bike, I want it to be useable everywhere, do motorbike things, big hard sides make that difficult.
but as for going through forests & trails in the middle of nowhere, there aren't many places to do that recreationally, it will probably never happen. that's one day event/race territory only, for full on dirtbikes, where luggage is not an option!
I think the price depends on the quality you are aiming for. E.g. I've only listed the premium soft luggage in this vid. If you look at options like Tusk it's way cheaper. But we don't know how they hold up long term yet.
Crickey, lot of money involved.....😮
Yep. Bit rich for me so I'll stick with my budget dry bag for day trips. My Nemenu throw-over luggage for overnighters.
Too expensive.. It does match the $1000 Alpinestars clothing, $700 Shoei helmet and $500 Gaerne boots though...lol....Better and cheaper alternatives are available.....
I must admit I'll go budget on a lot of stuff. So it's just an battered old dry bag and octopus straps for my luggage lol. Although I'll fork out the money for some things e.g. Gaerne boots as they last so long they wind up being the cheapest in the long run.
I'm skeptical about the GL stuff now with USWE take over. I have a Coyote behind the Mojavi bag, for my luggage. 9 years and 8 years old. After probably 75k km, between two KLRs, there's some wear marks, a 3 inch restitching job, and zippers are good and beefy. The Coyote will get loose and it only grabs the edge of the seat. I changed that after my first 18 day, 10000km trip. It is fastened to the frame at the back of the seat, with a GL stainless loop on side and two heavy duty key rings on the other. My experience with welded seam drybags and rainsuits is why I prefer the old school stitched construction. The Kriega and Enduristan products look pretty nice and modular.
The biggest thing about soft luggage is to train yourself to be minimalist, especially if your dirty minded. 🙌MotoHobo🏍🏕
I didn't know about the USWE take over. Lets hope it doesn't lead to cost cutting. I know many of us thought Klim might have done that when the Mormon owners sold it to Polaris Industries. It seems the quality has stayed the same so far.
@@crosstrainingadventure Ha🤞 On a side note...How was Grizzbait?😆
Big Rock Candy Mountain actually. Grizzbait is every alternate year so 2025 is the next one... It was endless single track and a pile of fun as usual!
@@crosstrainingadventure lol...nice