How to Rejoin and Bring the gun "Back on Face" | British Side-by-Side Shotguns | MidwayUSA
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- The barrels on most side by side shotguns are going to get loose over time with extensive use. This is a condition called "off the face" where the barrels and receiver are no longer in contact. Fortunately there is a pretty straight forward process called rejoining that restores the barrels and the receiver to their original specification. Watch along as Larry Potterfield, Founder and CEO of MidwayUSA, and Jack Rowe rejoin and bring the gun back on face.
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I can't express how much these two men have inspired, influenced, and taught me - I am sad to have learned that Jack passed in 2015. I would have like to have thanked him for sharing his knowledge with all of us. At least I can extend a sincere Thank You to Larry Potterfield.
I have absolutely loved this series and have watched it several times now. And I really must comment on the absolute supreme level of respect shown here to Mr. Rowe. I know it was difficult for me at time not to finish Mr. Rowe's sentences as they were often drawn out but Mr. Potterfield ( a supreme expert in his own right) gave him all the room he needed to work and really selfLESSly directed the spotlight onto Mr. Rowe. This really is the best example i have ever seen of such professionalism dripping with nostalgia. This series has inspired me to take up the profession. Thank you Mr. Potterfield!
D K I agree with U 100% I was thinking exactly the same thing full credit to you Mr Potterfield most of us watching this video feel the same respect for yourself
Exactly DK, it was an excellent example of human goodness and decency.
I worked for a company who manufactured box lid and trays. We had an old world machine that we quickly learned required a person to be far more than just a machine operator. We struggled for five years producing a good product but set up and run times were less than desired. One day an older gentleman came in looking for short term employment. He heard by word of mouth that we had the machines that he knew all too well. I spoke to him and after listening to him I knew I had literally struck gold. I hired him so fast the HR department questioned my scruples. We leaned more in one month than we had in years. He only lasted six months but his impact was miraculous. Production doubled set up time dropped by half and the quality was far superior. This man reminded me of those times he is gifted artist
quadheart, just curious, why did he only last 6 months?
I like these old world type people. Mr Rowe might not be the next marathon sensation but he's sharp as s tack and with all his knowledge is a real treasure.
+boingtronic that accent tho!
+THE GUY Whats up with it, its English.
Another masterclass in gunsmithing from two of the greats.
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That English bloke really knows his stuff; fair play to em, good old boy
I wish I could have half the gunsmithing knowledge Mr.Rowe has. I really enjoy watching the original experts working on these old pieces of art. Its a dying art that I as a 22 year old hope to be able to carry on. It sad that only a handful of people in this generation know how much care and patience it actually takes to do work like Mr.Rowe does.
Me too!..Although dealing with the ATF can be a bitch.
Had the pleasure of taking Mr Rowe's class at Murray State College in Tishomingo Ok. about 10 years ago ,saw him again at the ACGG show in Dallas several years back .What a Great Guy he was. The man truly had forgotten more than i will ever hope to know i am so happy to see some of his know how was was captured on video. The first time i saw him bend a gun stock my jaw about hit the floor. Thanks Larry for preserving some of this great mans knowledge RIP Jack
You guys are leaving behind an archive of gunsmithing. These videos will be viewed 200 years from now and this type of gunsmithing will be remembered forever. Thank you for that. And Hello from 2018! You guys better have flying cars by now
Love to hear the 'Brummie' accent. He must be an old Birmingham (UK) Gunsmith.
We’re they near the jewelers quarter ? ( haven’t been home in a while )
The man has done a few reworks!!! He stopped drifting out that crosspin exactly when it was nearing it knock out point, it required zero effort yet was still engaged and did not fall out on its own! That was perfection in touch!!! I had a very hard time hearing Mr. Rowe and his need to feel the work was hard to put on camera and Larry knew it but he handled this with respect and worked with Mr. Rowe so well!! Pay attention young folks Larry drew out the ol' professional gunsmiths experience with patience and wonderful deference few these days even understand. LOVE this video!!
I must say it was a shear delight to listen to Mr J Row & Mr Larry Potterfield, all my youth I was always told respect & listen to my Elders , I can say that it was the wisest advice I had ever been given , this shows very much so in this video, with Mr J Row & Mr Larry Potterfield, I sat back and listen,so much knowledge had came from the Elderly Mr Row & Mr Larry been the younger showed his respect for his Elder, Thank you Mr Larry for you a great example look listen & learn from thy Elders of this fine Buisness, I hope many younger people can learn from your respect of your elders ,this was a humble experience.
With Respect, Best Wishes, Trevor.W.Bacelli. Biloela Qld Australia.
That old boy is a skilled master craftsman and metal worker from a age were everything was gone by hand.
Mr. Potterfield, I wish I knew what you and Mr. Rowe have forgotten! Excellent video's. I have watched a ton of video's on your channel and love them all. RIP Jack! A true gunsmith!
Jack sure does have a wealth of knowledge.
P.S. Larry, I caught the little byplay about "Good enough for your gun." I don't think Jack was trying to insult your gun, he was just telling it like it was.
"I couldn't blow out seventy-six bloody candles!"
20:25
"Near enough is good enough."
"Maybe for your guns, Jack."
If looks could kill, Larry would have dropped dead from that bit of kidding. : )
I was thinking the same thing :D
@@tannerlemons46
Larry: :D
Jack: :l
*The look*: oi yu'ever ad a shotgun barrewl wrap round yer skol?
Priceless! You really didn't have to do this Larry, but you did. I learned more in this short lesson then in most classes I've taken. Can't thank you and Mr. Rowe enough for taking the time. This will go in my save file for sure. So sorry t have just read that Jack has since passed. I feel lucky for the chance you gave us to watch his (and your) work.
rip Jack a true gentleman and master gunsmith such a loss of knowledge
The quip about Freemasonry was pretty fresh. I'll assume they are Brothers. Jack and Larry make a great team. I've learned a lot. They both have a real appreciation for firearms and teaching.
Love the older gentleman . That’s a real man. Salute!!
Wow, this is fantastic. I can only imagine the knowledge and experience that Mr. Rowe has in his head. I have to admit being an old school romantic at heart. Thank you so much for sharing and please produce more videos like this one.
Excellent demonstration by one of the old English masters. Thank you.
This stuff is fascinating... Glad it's preserved on the public domain.
I never get sick of this video. Priceless😊
An old expert in Side by side shotguns told me: ,, Never shoot a load was overweight in Gramm as your shotgun weights in Kilogramm.!" I think, it is a golden rule ...
Many thanks! Your channel is first class for all the lovers of classic guns !
What a blessing to learn from the best!
Now days people are using sharpie or some sort of blue to do this, amazing to see the old ways how people used to smoke parts.... Find it so fascinating and knowledgeable to watch...hope that all the new TH-cam guy's sponsored by MidWest Industries all enjoy and know this type of stuff and were we came from.
Jack , is a wholesome character , this new generation could learn a lot from this ole boy . Great watching .Regards
👍two masters sharing with us. Priceless! More please. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for posting this video. I can watch this skill level all day.
haven't done this for years brings back memories
A Little of E Ol Back n Forth of the Ribbing Between Countries of Origin and Quality of Fine firearms and Tools !! Love it !
What a privilege to see these videos, this is amazing, captivating, and completely unique. This is the sort of things that should be archived in the library of congress. Thanks Jack! I've got a gun from about that period, a bit posher that I inherited and needs to go to the gunsmith for rejoining, and now I know exactly how it's going to be done. And I HOPE it comes back as good as the one that was worked on in this video.
This information is priceless Larrý. Thank you for these kinds of videos.
LMAO ! Blow candles out, Jack not at Bloody 76 years 😂
Excellent video and instructions. I learned so much. Going over my old shotguns now to see what I can do. Much appreciated!
I found myself leaning in toward the screen to get a better look at what he was doing. Then I noticed that you, Larry, were doing the same thing. I always thought that the only way to learn from a great master gunsmith was to be lucky enough to be born his son. Please try to keep Jack making these videos, and a few books would be nice too.
I agree, my dad was an engineer and taught me many things that have served me well, he`s now gone and im 66, and my son does not listen he knows best, Jack is a joy to watch. a true craftsman im from the UK and love these videos.
76 ''Bloody candles'' I love the British
amazing people,,never seem to get over excited,, a cup of tea ''Keep and carry on.''
Thank You Guys for alle your Videos, it help me a lot to understand and repair my own Mechaniks
Greets from Germany
"Near enough is good enough" is the main reason why I do small repairs and refinishing by myself on my guns.Larry showed a lot of patience watching Jack.Thumbs up for Larry who showed in previous videos and projects that only nearly perfect is good enoug for our guns.
Aldins89, I think you failed to get the English humour.
Englishman French then so did Larry :-)
aldins89 Yes I take your point, but that is because our Larry is not English either, I think you would agree that the final result ended with an action that was as good as it was when first made, that is all we can hope for,had the gun been one from a top maker, it would have been better in the first place, that is why it would have cost more to start with.
These guns were bargain basement guns when they were first manufactured, even though it is a nice looking old English gun, it was a budget item, they were never constructed with the precision of a fitted English gun like a Purdey, for example. Jack knows exactly how to work these guns and to bring them back into their as new fitting. When he says nearly is good enough, that is exactly how these guns were manufactured back in the day, and that is why English shotguns are still in use often well over 100 years after they were first manufactured. You can buy a budget English gun and it will easily outlast you and your son. They were made long before CNC machines were in existence by craftsmen, the type of guys under whom Jack would have served his apprenticeship to learn the skills that have been in use since guns were first produced in Birmingham and are still being learned today by apprentices at English gun manufacturers.
What a wealth of knowledge!
Master Smith awesome. I appreciate your work amazing
They could make the pin larger on both ends and have the middle in various sizes, that way there would be no need for a reamer, just drive in a pin with a thicker middle diameter.
Larry Potterfeild for president 2024
A master at work.....
I find chainsaw files are great for this kind of fitting.... all sizes available up to 1/4" or a bit more, and the leave a very fine finish and cut well with very little pressure.
Theres still people learning the way Jack did,he will have started at 14/15yrs old and not made a gun until he was in his twenties.Lots and lots of filing and doing jobs again and again for years until they got to do anything resembling a full gun.And then theyd specialise in one bit of the gun.Kids today want to make parts after 2 weeks and a gun after 2 yrs,you dont get artisans like that you get bodgers.
john g true storie.
I don't see how someone "can't" understand him. After all, he is speaking English.
Maybe it's time to turn the volume up.
Another great video.
There is most definately a difference between English from the US and English from GB. I'd bet you couldn't understand the eglish spoken in my neck of the woods by some folks.
2 fine gunsmith at work.
Man I am biting back hard on ageist jokes right now.
Might be taken the wrong way
I definitely appreciate this man taking his valuable time letting me pier over the shoulder of a master
RIP Jack great video
Mr Rowe is an inspiration. This entire series should be in the Smithsonian.
I think that ole feller may have been around when these guns were invented. I bet there's a ton of wonderful knowledge in that fella though.
A pleasure to watch😊
The original "smoke test".
thank you very much, for a chance to learn from experts!
Just bought an identical gun. Couldn't get the barrel back on.
Didn't know wood forend has button to take off, to put
barrel back on. Thanks. Got it on !!!!!!!
thank you jack. :) I enjoyed your knowledge.
Very nice video.
Excellent work and great video. Thank you!
Learned a lot. Excellent video. Thanks.
please make longer videos. you are my idol
"Near enough is good enough" maybe for your guns Jack. Well said. Accuracy is CRUCIAL!
Mr Rowe knew that. He was saying that was sometimes the attitude back in the day when those guns were manufactured, not that he was saying he was okay with it being near enough now.
Kevin P OOPS! Got it and thank you.
10:58 did he used an f-word? 😄😄😄
Seriously, he says he cannot blow the candles but his sight and hands are still very good. May God bless him.
thanks Larry for sharing. that old shotgun looks like my grandfathers and I'm no spring chicken. alas it was severely damaged after a fall. cheap it was, one of those "hardware store" made by the thousands around the turn of the century.
GOOD JOB
76 bloody candles :D
this is wonderful video.
that was great thanks larry
What a wonderful video
Very informative!
Old Jack is a bit of a snob about the quality of that particular shotgun.
“Close enough is good enough.”
Just turn up your volume if you can't hear the guy. He does know what he's doing. No need to be ignorant about it.
I'm betting Jack doesn't get the standard $100.00 a hour for being a gunsmith
Hell we only charge 60 bucks an hour at my shop.
Thank you so much for sharing!..
No substitute for experience
A true master...
Thanks for the lesson jack. I have a £15 gun to practice on. Hopefully I can do a job half as good as you could
Half as good as Jack is still good to most people
great tutorials
You could remove the pin and turn it 180 degrees and see if that brings it back. Anyway good to see how it is done properly. R.I.P. Jack.
If you did that though the ends of the pin would no longer match the curves of the action block. If you could live with that though there’s no reason why it wouldn’t work.
After the filming of this video, Larry retrieved a functional shotgun from his personal collection and finished the old Geezer off.
awesome video
This is a good video. Jack the gunsmith from Birmingham is a treasure from a bygone era. The type of guys who were Labour politicians & the types who voted for them, before they became saturated with anti-gun liberals, who denied the existence of such people. Men like Jack from his generation made shotguns, rifles & pistols, only to have that industry decline & near fail, due to these new-liberals input, who have infected society with their high & mightiest.
Very interesting!
The Sr remember My grandfather's teachings on the subject of double-barreled shotguns
Mr. Rowe is obviously a true expert. But I was jolted to see him put the action in that vise and tighten it. No padding. I think Larry has used some kind of padding to protect metal parts he put in a vise in earlier videos. Since I'm not a gunsmith, I'm surely wrong to worry here.
He's got soft lead jaws in the vice! It won't damage the metalwork on an action.
I would like to be this gentleman a pint of lager.
I was waiting for that comment Larry. we all know you've got high standards for quality.
Class
Bravo!!!
The contact points are called witness marks....
That was a good video. I seen Jack was dragging the file backwards across his work instead of lifting the off for another cut. I was always under the impression this dulls the file?
+Jager Tools are a dispensable item the job is not.
Shame old boy jack passed away
When you get to be his age you too can shamelesly drag your files.
Because aging is an "accomplishment", right? Dragging files makes for more work and harder work. Kind of the opposite of what an "old timer" would want if he's inclined to be "lazy" simply because he's "old". But go with that stupid excuse if it works for you. Old Jack is long dead so he couldn't give two shits either way.
@@deeremeyer1749 The guys got over 60 years experience, he was filing things before your parents were born. Sit down and shut up.
First rule of picking a gunsmith. Pick one that looks like he'll live long enough to finish the job.
i could kill for 5% life experience of the old Gentleman
Does this happen with all break action guns? SS, OU and Single? Because this is the first time I've heard of such a condition. I was recently looking at some nice looking old SS 12ga shotguns and noticed in the description 'barrels are loose on face' and wondered what that meant, then found this video.
the people of the uk hate guns, plenty of room for cool old guys like him in wisconsin
+mark cisler I know he tried to get me over there 5 years ago.
+mark cisler What?
I think he did just that. A lot of people in Britain are gullible & stupid. At the time in 1982, Thatchers government were anti-Union but pro-gun, so they tolerated private guns, but never invested the money in new apprenticeships, for corporate & private gunsmiths-resulting in people like him retiring off & emigrating abroad & having a skill deficit in gun-making. I don't know how much a gunsmith made in the USA in 1982, but I'm sure it was more than Britain then.
+mark cisler The people of the UK "hate" guns in the same way people of the US "hate" salads. No strong opinions for or against them, but few people want to consume them.
I wish in the last minute of this video they went and held up a liquorstore..
Man I wish I knew all the stuff he knew
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You gotta remember this guy comes from a country where the super wealthy are the main hunters. If he's worked on holland & Hollands than anything under $250k probably does seem like low quality to him.
Not everyone in England is super wealthy ! It took me nearly a year to save up the $ 75,000 for my first Holland & Holland.
If it only took you a year to come up with 75k I'd say you're pretty well off.
rusty shackelfurd Not now I spent the money on my H&H, but it was worth the wait.It is interesting to note that although the parts are now grunted out on a CNC programme there is still the same hand fitting that is shown here, just the chiselling out from a lump of steel is bypassed .
I believe they are worth the money. I hope to atleast beable to hold and shoot one some day.
rusty shackelfurd, You will get one some day like I did, one from the 1930s is just as nice (or even better) and will not break the bank.