Unfortunately that is an aerodynamic result of a high decent rate and low airspeed with power applied, known as vortex ring state or settling with power. The correct way to recover from this is to gain airspeed and reduce power, however being this close to the ground it would be fair to assume that the pilot would try to arrest the high rate of decent by pulling more power. Unfortunately this would only make the situation worse. Personal I think the pilot made a pretty good job of what could have been much worse. The Robinson R22 and R44 does have, to a degree, the reputation for accidents, it is worth noting however that this is mostly due to its popularity with largely inexperienced pilots because of their comparatively lower cost to purchase and operate. Having a considerable amount of time in many different airframes including both the R22 and R44 I personally think they are a safe aircraft if flown with care and respect. 👍🚁
@@TJHELICOPTERS combination of airspeed below ETL and rate of decent 400-800fpm + downwind approach will blow your downwash infront of you and you will sink into it.
@@TJHELICOPTERS Availaed power between 20% and 100%. Vertical velocity of -5 m/s or greater, KIAS of 12 knots or less. Gross weight affects these numbers.
Wasnt he in an auto rotate due to engine failure? So how was supposed to get power? Notice any noise once it hitthe ground. Arm chair retards everywhere
I call “settling with power”. Edit: As a former Army helicopter pilot of a fair number of years. I understand both the ring vortex state and settling with power. With this bird as close to the ground and the possibility of a light tail wind, this fits what I learned in my aerodynamics classes and continual check rides while serving in the Army. He had no way of flying out of the conditions. If he lived, you’ll likely have seen the collective buried into his armpit and him concussed, slumped over the controls. I hope the pilot and anyone else onboard was ok.
@@Nik-gh6gz The G forces involved in a very hard landing can be fatal and not show any obvious physical trauma on the body. Of course you’ll see bruises. Maybe a broken hand or arm. You can tell who was flying as their thumb and their wrist will be broken from holding onto the cyclic. The deaths occur, by the aorta being torn from the heart and subsequent death. We had two student pilots on their initial solo flight around the heliport. They had a mishap and managed to stick the front skids into a dirt berm and crashed. The damage to the aircraft was minimal. Rotor strike of the ground and tail boom flexing. But, engine and transmission were still in their mounts and the aircraft didn’t turn over or catch on fire. The two young men looked to have survived at first glance. However, upon doing the extraction and immediate trauma assessment, they were found to both be deceased. Autopsy showed the g forces ripped the aorta around the heart during the sudden forward and downward movement of the helicopter and the g forces involved. I don’t know how this differs from a car crash, but it appears to have been the combination of both vectors on the body and the nature of the g forces involved that caused the loss of their lives. This happened at Ft Rucker at some point in the years before I got to flight school in 1989. Scary stories like this were teaching tools used by the instructors to show examples of what not to do. I flew OH-58’s as a Scout Pilot for the US Army.
One of the best days of my life was when I flew with Jim Cheatham in an R22. He learned his helicopter skills in the US Army and honed them to a fine edge in the skies over Vietnam. At the airshows in Salinas he took that tiny aircraft and did Immelman loops, then killed the engine to show the crowd his auto-rotation skills, among at least a dozen more amazing tricks. He flew me over the waters of Monterey Bay to get the pictures of Stillwell Hall on Fort Ord that I had been hired to do. I asked him how close to the water he could get and he responded by asking if I knew how to swim then put the R22 just about two meters away from the drink, flying backwards into the wind so I could get the pictures. Many an accident victim was saved by his work at Verticare, his flying business. He left this world a better place. The R22 might not be the best machine up there but in the right hands it can do much more than you might guess.
@@miltonboeck3550 The Sea Knight (Phrog) was actually an outstanding airframe. I only experienced one hard landing, and that was because the pilot did an actual autorotation, meaning he pulled the engine control levers (ECL's) back to ground idle, actually taking both engines off line. He didn't warn me about it either. It was kind of a hard landing but the aircraft handled it well. I was beyond pissed off, told him if he did that again I was going to kick the shit out of him, even if he was a captain. Phrogs were very durable and dependable as long as pilots treated them with respect. I was in a crash out at 29 Palms but the cause of the crash was pilot error.
There have been a total of 378 recorded incidences with the Robinson R-44, according to the Aviation Safety Network. An accident investigation by Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) found that a significantly higher proportion of R44 aircraft (12%) caught fire after crashing.
Id never go up in one of those! I was at an airport once when I heard one of these r44s start up it's engine. It was like listening to my grandads old Austin Allegro trying to start in winter! I couldn't believe it!! 😮
Yeah, unintended passenger back breaking authoritaaah 🤣 I'm sorry, every time I see or hear the word authority I see little fat Eric Cartman dressed like a cop demanding people respect his authoritaaah as he likes to say it.
He descended into his downwash. After doing that, he increased power which increases downwash… but he’s already descending so as he chops the air harder, he continues into the air that’s already turbulent and going downwards and is made even more turbulent by the increased power Bad cycle. Fix is to push forward and accelerate away from the messy air. Keep power the same or drop a bit if able. A smidge of a drop is fine when it helps you accelerate away from the big drop. I have never flown a helicopter.
Sure you did buddy ;) and how do you not decent into your rotor wash, doesnt that allways happen when you decent...? Doesnt that just lead to loss of translational lift which you just counter with more collective - to me it sounded like the rotor was losing rpm at the end maybe he was doing an autorotation and raised the collective too early running out of energy in the end?
@jeffreylebowski4927 I can totally understand how you may think adding more collective pitch would correct the situation. However, this is what catches pilots out. It becomes even more critical when you are near max payload. Do a little research on this, and you will find out how some aggressive approaches may work and when they do not work. In short, you have no lift when you fall into your rotor wash. Same when a small plane lands right after a heli does a taxi. It'll slam into the ground due to the turbulance.
Is the way to fast the same as the way from slow? 😂😂😂 Because to and too are different words with different meanings, Einstein. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 How does it feel to fail at basic English? 😂😂😂😂😂
Probably has something to do with them being one of the most common helicopters ever built and the only one attainable by normal people for recreation.
@@DLCoates1 He might be a little too specific, but he’s not wrong. I mean, if you go your local flight school and ask them to teach you to fly a helicopter, most likely the helicopter they teach you in will be a Robinson R22. I would personally rather fly a Rotorway, but experimental aircraft are not allowed to be used for flight instruction for hire.
It really is not as simple as such, the average homemade self aviation enthusiast will require anywhere upwards of four hundred and seventy six hours before the end project is near completion for these unique productions of precision engineering and technologies are not available to the masses as most humanoids serve their majority time making bread.
@@Pudji.ToucanNice try at impressing us with your awkward pedantic attempt, humanoid. Sophomoric at best. Basically, you just butchered the English Language, puji stick.
Wrong and wrong. Power failure. descent rates go up when the power starts to go down and that is what happens here. Listen to rpm spooling down. FYI you have to work pretty hard to get the 44 in to a VRS, thats not it
@@scottchristieyeah, it's too much collective for sure. Brought on by trying to come to the hover from a high rate of descent out of ground effect You can hear the engine revs fall, and then he loses tail rotor authority. Very easy to do.
It looks to me like the pilot was trying to do a steep approach to a somewhat confined area landing. They came in way too fast with a decent descent rate. They slowed the forward airspeed too fast with a descent rate still greater than 300 feet per minute and that’s all it took to get into VRS. They probably didn’t realize what was going on and tried pulling collective to stop the descent. Unfortunately this will only worsen the situation and increase the decent rate, which we saw happen here. The other indicator of a rapid collective increase is the intense right yaw. A rapid increase in power proportionally increases the torque applied to the helicopter and the pilot didn’t anticipate the demand.
Shocking, terrifying helicopters. So many accidents in these world wide. Flown in lots but will never fly in one of these or the R22....The margins are so slim. I really hope they were ok and didn't suffer spinal injuries. That was some arrival.
I am also flying a R44. I am not sure with vortex! Could also be a performance problem. Maybe he didn’t have enough power to stop the rate of decent and got low RPM at end. Would be very interesting to know about the elevation, temperature and weight 😢
They are so cheap looking in the air until you get up on one then surprisingly it appears to be quite a solid craft. I was a Huey mech in the U.S. Army. UH-1H 67N
Videos like this are why I never pursued a private plane or helicopter pilot's license. In the immortal words of Groucho Marx, 'I would never want to fly on a plane or helicopter that has me as the pilot!'
A lot of people saying vortex-ring/settling with power. INCORRECT folks. Clearly there is a loss of power at the end, listen to the engine/blade rpm at the end of the approach. There are so many reasons this is not settling with power i can't be bothered to write them all but 1) there IS an obvious loss of power 2) there is plenty of forward movement 3) with loss of power, tail rotor looses effectiveness and the chooper starts to yaw to the right (which it does). Everything in this video says loss-off-power, NOT SETTLING WITH POWER. I have owned 10 of those awesome machines with more than 3000 hours. That's simply not what settling with power is going to look like.
@@LatitudeSky the RPM drop is actually the result of a power failure (or a governor failure). Under normal circumstances the RPM does NOT change even when you reduce power. There is a correlater and a governer to ensure the blade RPM stays in a very narrow range. If you hear the blades starting to slow while the chopper is in flight that means the something is dreadfully wrong. We don't reduce power by reducing blade RPM. For one thing, the blades are quite flimsy and are only kept in the outward "coned" position because of angular momentum. If you reduced power by reducing RPM everyone would perish because the blades would fold up. The FIRST rule of thumb is never let your rotor RPM diminish.
Very sad but instructive. I've never seen an actual film of a ring vortex state accident before. Thanks for sharing. "I my God" with a Yorkshire accent lovely to hear too!
@@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550 no it didn’t. Engine running and sounded like low rpm. No flare... I wonder if he was stalling the rotor, felt the left side dip, and then tried correcting with pedals. Auto rotation would have been lower approach angle right?
A friend of mine died in one of those in 2015. Pilot did not his walk around inspection to notice the cotter pin broke from the castle nut causing tail rotor failure.
I spent 500 hrs in an EC135 as a paramedic. The pilots warned never get in a Robinson as there’s not enough inertia in the blades and it’s single engined…….enough for me 👍🏻
yeah we need to get off this. It's like saying that most people in motorized accidents die in cars. They must be worse. No.... there's just more of them and you need less education, accreditation and equipment to run cars. Mathematicians don't make statistics. Many idiots make statistics.
Pilot error... find me an r44 or r66 where the engine failed and it crashed. Meanwhile other helicopters destroy themselves without even leaving the ground.
Appears that in the ten years of operations in the UK, that between 2012 and 2022 there were no fatalities Roth Robinsons in the UK That’s pretty impressive in a fleet of 480
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he din't land it, he planted it
my word...that is freaking hilarious
Can't wait for next spring when baby helicopters sprout up.
Lmao 🤣
@@bczephyr924😅😂😅
that's how R44's are born. At first they are R22's though
First rule of flight. Your aircraft will always find the ground…with or without your help.
Pilot got cold and switched the big fan off.
Sometimes it finds the sea instead.
Nope, first rule of flight. Never stop flying .
Or
GRAVITY SUCKS!
As My dad told me when he was teaching me how to fly, is "any landing you can walk away from is a controlled crash" 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately that is an aerodynamic result of a high decent rate and low airspeed with power applied, known as vortex ring state or settling with power. The correct way to recover from this is to gain airspeed and reduce power, however being this close to the ground it would be fair to assume that the pilot would try to arrest the high rate of decent by pulling more power. Unfortunately this would only make the situation worse. Personal I think the pilot made a pretty good job of what could have been much worse.
The Robinson R22 and R44 does have, to a degree, the reputation for accidents, it is worth noting however that this is mostly due to its popularity with largely inexperienced pilots because of their comparatively lower cost to purchase and operate. Having a considerable amount of time in many different airframes including both the R22 and R44 I personally think they are a safe aircraft if flown with care and respect. 👍🚁
wrong
You should see what we do in them in south Texas. If you did, you’d understand the high accident rate.
You’re probably talking about hog hunting?
Wrong? Be more specific please.
@@user-gk4fc2fz4e gathering cattle in dense brush at low altitudes, Netting deer, and other exotics.
The farmer gave him a nice shot of Irish whiskey and sent him on his way
Down wind approach led to over pitching and settling with power. Bummer. Glad everyone is okay!
What do you need to get into settling with power?
@@TJHELICOPTERS combination of airspeed below ETL and rate of decent 400-800fpm + downwind approach will blow your downwash infront of you and you will sink into it.
@@TJHELICOPTERS Availaed power between 20% and 100%. Vertical velocity of -5 m/s or greater, KIAS of 12 knots or less. Gross weight affects these numbers.
Wasnt he in an auto rotate due to engine failure? So how was supposed to get power? Notice any noise once it hitthe ground. Arm chair retards everywhere
Probably not. I bet their kidneys ended up where their ears are
I call “settling with power”.
Edit: As a former Army helicopter pilot of a fair number of years. I understand both the ring vortex state and settling with power.
With this bird as close to the ground and the possibility of a light tail wind, this fits what I learned in my aerodynamics classes and continual check rides while serving in the Army. He had no way of flying out of the conditions.
If he lived, you’ll likely have seen the collective buried into his armpit and him concussed, slumped over the controls. I hope the pilot and anyone else onboard was ok.
Do you really think that hit was hard enough to be fatal?
@@Nik-gh6gz The G forces involved in a very hard landing can be fatal and not show any obvious physical trauma on the body. Of course you’ll see bruises. Maybe a broken hand or arm. You can tell who was flying as their thumb and their wrist will be broken from holding onto the cyclic.
The deaths occur, by the aorta being torn from the heart and subsequent death.
We had two student pilots on their initial solo flight around the heliport. They had a mishap and managed to stick the front skids into a dirt berm and crashed. The damage to the aircraft was minimal. Rotor strike of the ground and tail boom flexing. But, engine and transmission were still in their mounts and the aircraft didn’t turn over or catch on fire. The two young men looked to have survived at first glance.
However, upon doing the extraction and immediate trauma assessment, they were found to both be deceased.
Autopsy showed the g forces ripped the aorta around the heart during the sudden forward and downward movement of the helicopter and the g forces involved.
I don’t know how this differs from a car crash, but it appears to have been the combination of both vectors on the body and the nature of the g forces involved that caused the loss of their lives.
This happened at Ft Rucker at some point in the years before I got to flight school in 1989.
Scary stories like this were teaching tools used by the instructors to show examples of what not to do.
I flew OH-58’s as a Scout Pilot for the US Army.
@@davidclaudy4822 wow, that's interesting and unsettling at the same time
Lol this dude 100% lived
@@SoleRisk Maybe. If you know? You know! 880 hrs single engine turbine time in rotary wing aircraft.
One of the best days of my life was when I flew with Jim Cheatham in an R22. He learned his helicopter skills in the US Army and honed them to a fine edge in the skies over Vietnam. At the airshows in Salinas he took that tiny aircraft and did Immelman loops, then killed the engine to show the crowd his auto-rotation skills, among at least a dozen more amazing tricks. He flew me over the waters of Monterey Bay to get the pictures of Stillwell Hall on Fort Ord that I had been hired to do. I asked him how close to the water he could get and he responded by asking if I knew how to swim then put the R22 just about two meters away from the drink, flying backwards into the wind so I could get the pictures. Many an accident victim was saved by his work at Verticare, his flying business. He left this world a better place. The R22 might not be the best machine up there but in the right hands it can do much more than you might guess.
He'll be employee of the month at Ryanair before he knows it
Cliche
Gravity is a beast!
not the fall but the sudden stop that hurts
hope everyone is OK
Helicopters don't actually fly,.
They just beat the air into submission.
It's an rc. Watch again. Had me fooled at first too.
Lol I'm pretty sure turbulent air and up draft are the beasts
It's called inertia.
@@kdizzystlI think I could see the pilot, hope his back survived the inpact
"Any landing you walk away from is a good one". One of my two favorite quotes from when I was a USMC CH-46E Crewchief back in the '80s.
David, that is the Sea Knight, correct? I had read that they didn't fare very well in hard landings in Vietnam. Had they fixed that by your time?
@@miltonboeck3550 The Sea Knight (Phrog) was actually an outstanding airframe. I only experienced one hard landing, and that was because the pilot did an actual autorotation, meaning he pulled the engine control levers (ECL's) back to ground idle, actually taking both engines off line. He didn't warn me about it either. It was kind of a hard landing but the aircraft handled it well. I was beyond pissed off, told him if he did that again I was going to kick the shit out of him, even if he was a captain. Phrogs were very durable and dependable as long as pilots treated them with respect. I was in a crash out at 29 Palms but the cause of the crash was pilot error.
@davidcovarubias4729 that would definitely piss me off as well. That's just crazy, thanks for the story.
@@miltonboeck3550 You are very welcome
I hated those birds lol
This r44 are flying trash tons. Its a miracle if you own one and you survive it. Guess its only possible if you keep the trash in the hangar.
I hope he’s had the fuel tank retrofit. Those R44s and R22s are death traps for fires.
As professional plumber I'd say, . Hopefully everyone is ok .
LMAO
Shouldn't have used push fit should he... You try and tell them..!
And as a plumber, your assessment is as valid as most "pilots" offering their opinions!!!:)
@@beniceffs exactly
brilliant
He really stuck that landing, no bounce at all.
Little dirt went flying
There have been a total of 378 recorded incidences with the Robinson R-44, according to the Aviation Safety Network. An accident investigation by Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) found that a significantly higher proportion of R44 aircraft (12%) caught fire after crashing.
2020 Lawn Dart World Champion. Respect.
Lol
Classic ring vortex decent into crash !!
Classic lack of skill and knowledge…. And power.
The Pilot apparently didn't recognize "Ring VORTEX State"
Settling with power and lack of pilot experience.
Down wind as well
He was landing with airspeeds less than 30 knots and more than 300 feet down.....
A poor approach called "settling with power". The approach was too fast and too steep.
no
wrong
Id never go up in one of those! I was at an airport once when I heard one of these r44s start up it's engine. It was like listening to my grandads old Austin Allegro trying to start in winter! I couldn't believe it!! 😮
You're a smart man
Lycoming O-540. Super reliable piston aircraft engine.
The hardest part of flying is the ground, remember that.
He just landed with authority
Lol brillient
🤣🤣🤣He made a statement
😂
Yeah, unintended passenger back breaking authoritaaah 🤣 I'm sorry, every time I see or hear the word authority I see little fat Eric Cartman dressed like a cop demanding people respect his authoritaaah as he likes to say it.
Splattttt!😄
Settling with power
no
@@scottchristieyes
unless you have read the accident report, how could you possibly know?!! It is more likely than vortex ring but no one on this forum can know.
Hell, for an r44 that's a beautiful landing......
He descended into his downwash. After doing that, he increased power which increases downwash… but he’s already descending so as he chops the air harder, he continues into the air that’s already turbulent and going downwards and is made even more turbulent by the increased power
Bad cycle.
Fix is to push forward and accelerate away from the messy air. Keep power the same or drop a bit if able. A smidge of a drop is fine when it helps you accelerate away from the big drop.
I have never flown a helicopter.
You stay at holiday inn?
A wise man once told me everything it's okay until it's Not 🙃
We all gotta plan till the sh!t hits the fan !
Going from a good chopper to good for a few spare parts chopper ,,,
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing. Bring wellies.
The ground was too high, you can't blame the pilot for that.
Better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than to be in the air wishing you were on the ground!
Damn right!
Well...at least it didn't burst into flames, as R44s tend to do, so there's that...
She had bladder tanks installed
That’s true only if you wait 10 years for safety updates
Guys, it is an RC R44 lol
@skyhawkheavy7524 No, it's not. It is an R-44 Clipper, serial #0742, last registered as N904YK. (lol)
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd there's still mast bumping... Robinsons are trash... 🗑
Predicted that with his approach.
Fell into his own rotor wash. Damn. Hope they are all well.
What should have been done differently?
And don't say everything. 😅
Sure you did buddy ;) and how do you not decent into your rotor wash, doesnt that allways happen when you decent...? Doesnt that just lead to loss of translational lift which you just counter with more collective - to me it sounded like the rotor was losing rpm at the end maybe he was doing an autorotation and raised the collective too early running out of energy in the end?
@jeffreylebowski4927 I can totally understand how you may think adding more collective pitch would correct the situation. However, this is what catches pilots out. It becomes even more critical when you are near max payload.
Do a little research on this, and you will find out how some aggressive approaches may work and when they do not work. In short, you have no lift when you fall into your rotor wash.
Same when a small plane lands right after a heli does a taxi. It'll slam into the ground due to the turbulance.
wrong
@scottchristie You are entitled to your opinion. Fly safe, my friend.
Tailwind approach resulting in VRS and LTE. One for the books
Each R44 crash was caused by pilot error. The R44 seems to attract pilots who make mistakes.
He was approaching way to fast!
yeah, resulting into an LTE (Loss of tail rotor effectiveness)
Is the way to fast the same as the way from slow? 😂😂😂 Because to and too are different words with different meanings, Einstein. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 How does it feel to fail at basic English? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@slappy8941are you slow bro? Like do you actually have an understanding of how helicopters work??💀 he came in way to fast for that approach
@@slappy8941grow up
he's just being a grammar nazi. OP wrote "to" when he should have written "too." only losers like him care about such minor mistakes.
“Hold my beer, I gonna show you an impressive landing “
Lol
I wish I had a dime for everytime "Robinson" and "Crash" are mentioned in the same sentence.
Probably has something to do with them being one of the most common helicopters ever built and the only one attainable by normal people for recreation.
@@Randaldman must not have heard of ultralight aircraft or experimental aircraft. The roflcopter was a famous meme for a reason.
@@DLCoates1 Those aircraft exist, but they are nowhere near as common as Robbies.
@@singleproppilot “only one attainable by normal people.” Pointing out his misinformation.
@@DLCoates1 He might be a little too specific, but he’s not wrong. I mean, if you go your local flight school and ask them to teach you to fly a helicopter, most likely the helicopter they teach you in will be a Robinson R22. I would personally rather fly a Rotorway, but experimental aircraft are not allowed to be used for flight instruction for hire.
Never fly an R44 higher than you can safely jump from.
At least there was no ground resonance that threw the blades.
Benefit of skids
@@robertgary3561 Skids don't matter. Apparently, number of rotor blades does.
th-cam.com/video/Lz1WfIrSPEg/w-d-xo.html
Robinsons have a teetering, twin-bladed rotor. To the best of my understanding such rotorheads are not susceptible to ground resonance.
@@robertgary3561Helicopters with skids are susceptible to ground resonance as well, but two-bladed rotor systems are not.
F-CK!, Time to go buy another one!!
It really is not as simple as such, the average homemade self aviation enthusiast will require anywhere upwards of four hundred and seventy six hours before the end project is near completion for these unique productions of precision engineering and technologies are not available to the masses as most humanoids serve their majority time making bread.
No problem, a Robinson is only a couple bucks. 😅
@@Pudji.ToucanNice try at impressing us with your awkward pedantic attempt, humanoid. Sophomoric at best. Basically, you just butchered the English Language, puji stick.
$700000 hundred thousands would be the cheapest. @@madtrucker0983
Always remember, take offs are optional, landings are mandatory.
A new landing gear, tail rotors and track the main blades, and it's like brand new again.
It’s repairable (I think)though there might be some damage to the underside and it’ll definitely will need new skids…
Ahhh...a lesson in "settling with power".
Do not fly into your own downwash.
And that's why you don't settle with power.
That's called a HARD LANDING
The common denominator of Robinson's since their beginning. Fodder for a Ralph Nader book: "UNSAFE AT ANY ALTITUDE".
You mean Robinson pilots..
@@Repomam2000 No, I mean the Robinson design, Dick Tracy cartoon looking apparatus.
@@gehlen52No, he said it right. Robinson pilots..
Bullshit!!
It’s been proven time and time again pilots have been at fault and the fact flight schools use it as a trainer.
Robinson Helicopters: Leading the way in Sudden Deceleration Syndrome research.
Quite the descent rate. Classic vortex ring state
Wrong and wrong. Power failure. descent rates go up when the power starts to go down and that is what happens here. Listen to rpm spooling down. FYI you have to work pretty hard to get the 44 in to a VRS, thats not it
@@scottchristieyeah, it's too much collective for sure. Brought on by trying to come to the hover from a high rate of descent out of ground effect
You can hear the engine revs fall, and then he loses tail rotor authority.
Very easy to do.
High sink rate.....
It looks to me like the pilot was trying to do a steep approach to a somewhat confined area landing. They came in way too fast with a decent descent rate. They slowed the forward airspeed too fast with a descent rate still greater than 300 feet per minute and that’s all it took to get into VRS. They probably didn’t realize what was going on and tried pulling collective to stop the descent. Unfortunately this will only worsen the situation and increase the decent rate, which we saw happen here. The other indicator of a rapid collective increase is the intense right yaw. A rapid increase in power proportionally increases the torque applied to the helicopter and the pilot didn’t anticipate the demand.
I agree with you 👌
Shocking, terrifying helicopters. So many accidents in these world wide. Flown in lots but will never fly in one of these or the R22....The margins are so slim. I really hope they were ok and didn't suffer spinal injuries. That was some arrival.
That accent was so New Zealand that it makes me want to eat a whole NZ Kiwi rack of lamb with mint sauce and long grain rice.
Thats a normal landing for me in MSFS 😁
same ahaga
Put another quarter in!
😂 same
Try the oil rig rescue in adventure mode! THAT is Damn difficult! Too bad they have no chppers in the new MSFS!😢
I usually end up landing backwards 😮
that sound was his spine.
No kidding. If only the rest of the world knew and understood.
Was once offered a flight in a R22 - I politely declined.
you missed out! they are a fantastic helicopter when flown correctly!
I am also flying a R44. I am not sure with vortex! Could also be a performance problem. Maybe he didn’t have enough power to stop the rate of decent and got low RPM at end. Would be very interesting to know about the elevation, temperature and weight 😢
Damn good landing!
Sad, VRS claims another.
NOT VRS
That was a sudden stop. Hopefully everyone is okay 👌🏽
His back is going to be feeling that for pretty much the rest of life.
Spine? what spine?
every heli landing flight sim!
You get what you pay for clearly!
They are so cheap looking in the air until you get up on one then surprisingly it appears to be quite a solid craft. I was a Huey mech in the U.S. Army. UH-1H 67N
Thank You for Your service !
Well, that didn't look TOO bad. Surely the craft is recoverable.
that's how you assert dominance. perfect landing in my book
Boss landing
Yes I want to buy the carcass, So... how much?
about 60%, a little fiberglass work and that'll buff right out.
the most unforgiving helicopter
The pilot exceeded the safe descent rate causing a vortex ring state to occur… AKA settling with power…
First mistake....thinking helicopters actually FLY....they don't....they simply beat the air into submission.🤣
Explain?
@@camdenkulpa3938 It's a JOKE, my friend...all the helo pilots I've known find it funny.🤔
On this occasion the air ran away.
comment wins this thread
@@-Pol-
They're so ugly the Earth rejects them.
Really stuck that landing if you get what I mean
*"How to transport eggs"* - Example # 1
That’s called “settling with power” folks. It’s bad.
Hope they were ok 👌
Videos like this are why I never pursued a private plane or helicopter pilot's license. In the immortal words of Groucho Marx, 'I would never want to fly on a plane or helicopter that has me as the pilot!'
That a well executed unexpected crash landing. If he landed point first. It have been very bad. Well done Pilot 💪
A lot of people saying vortex-ring/settling with power. INCORRECT folks. Clearly there is a loss of power at the end, listen to the engine/blade rpm at the end of the approach. There are so many reasons this is not settling with power i can't be bothered to write them all but 1) there IS an obvious loss of power 2) there is plenty of forward movement 3) with loss of power, tail rotor looses effectiveness and the chooper starts to yaw to the right (which it does). Everything in this video says loss-off-power, NOT SETTLING WITH POWER. I have owned 10 of those awesome machines with more than 3000 hours. That's simply not what settling with power is going to look like.
Yeah, it's easy to hear the RPM drop, as if the pilot cut power way too soon. The rest is just gravity.
@@LatitudeSky the RPM drop is actually the result of a power failure (or a governor failure). Under normal circumstances the RPM does NOT change even when you reduce power. There is a correlater and a governer to ensure the blade RPM stays in a very narrow range. If you hear the blades starting to slow while the chopper is in flight that means the something is dreadfully wrong. We don't reduce power by reducing blade RPM. For one thing, the blades are quite flimsy and are only kept in the outward "coned" position because of angular momentum. If you reduced power by reducing RPM everyone would perish because the blades would fold up. The FIRST rule of thumb is never let your rotor RPM diminish.
Agh yes.. Ryanair heli service
Friends don't let friends fly Robbie's!
Very sad but instructive. I've never seen an actual film of a ring vortex state accident before. Thanks for sharing. "I my God" with a Yorkshire accent lovely to hear too!
did you get the carcass??
Pilot error
I would never fly in a Robinson…ever. I’ve seen more sophisticated rotor heads on RC helicopters.
Old problem with R22 and R44, rpm decay!
it was POV
It was in slow motion!
that's going to be expensive
W/O
I read there have been over 500 fatalities in this type of helicopter!
A Robinson..?
Crashing, you say..?
Is there anyone who isn’t surprised..?
Decent was way too fast, and lost tail rotor. I hope no one was seriously hurt. The approach was way too fast.
Where did he lose the tail rotor?
@@jeremylakenes6859 just before the helicopter hit it spun around really fast. Lost tail rotor effectiveness.
@@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550 why, low rotor rpm?
@@jeremylakenes6859 wind direction and speed perhaps. Perhaps a stuck pedal. It didn’t look like an autorotation.
@@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550 no it didn’t. Engine running and sounded like low rpm. No flare... I wonder if he was stalling the rotor, felt the left side dip, and then tried correcting with pedals.
Auto rotation would have been lower approach angle right?
Kid broke his toy. Damnit!
A friend of mine died in one of those in 2015. Pilot did not his walk around inspection to notice the cotter pin broke from the castle nut causing tail rotor failure.
Inexperience showing. Didn't even circle his landing site to determine the winds and then flew right into vortex ring state and ran out of tail rotor.
I spent 500 hrs in an EC135 as a paramedic. The pilots warned never get in a Robinson as there’s not enough inertia in the blades and it’s single engined…….enough for me 👍🏻
Well yeah, if you have an EC135 as an option... you wouldn't want a Robinson.
You can literally buy 10 R44s for the cost of an EC135. ($400K vs $4M)
This crash has nothing to do with rotor inertia or engine failure. It was completely pilot error and could also happen in an EC135.
Robinson has the highest accident rate of any helicopters.
Just because they are quite cheap,so get used by lots of beginner pilots,compared to more expensive models.
yeah we need to get off this.
It's like saying that most people in motorized accidents die in cars. They must be worse.
No.... there's just more of them and you need less education, accreditation and equipment to run cars.
Mathematicians don't make statistics.
Many idiots make statistics.
Great attitude and great start. Now follow through and get that degree!
Instructor: put it down
Student: there you go boss
Instructor: I didn't mean euthanasia
VRS
nope
Captain: ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Benidorm and thank you for flying with easy jet
It looks like a Ryanair landing to me.
Settling with power... also a great band name
No surprise. These Robinsons are always falling out of sky.
Pilot error... find me an r44 or r66 where the engine failed and it crashed.
Meanwhile other helicopters destroy themselves without even leaving the ground.
The accident rate is so high because they're popular with schools
@@louisgordon4388 That and there are more Robinson produced than all other helicopters combined
The only reason you see so many Robinsons crash is because they're THE helicopter for GA rotary wing.
Appears that in the ten years of operations in the UK, that between 2012 and 2022 there were no fatalities Roth Robinsons in the UK
That’s pretty impressive in a fleet of 480
Guess its of no surprise that they R44 which holds the record for most crashes should do yet again what it does best
The old Robinson widowmaker.....