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How much you got paid for this video. ? When you said that you never saw so many people with their extra hand baggage , that’s just not true cause UIA or China Easter passengers took more than what they taking ..,
It's not banned in Europe, I used this Airline once, Islamabad to Paris, the experience was obviously terrible, but it's not banned. You can use it to travel in Italy or Romania as well.
PIA is a case of corruption by the politicians. PIA helped start emeriates, qatar and saudia airlines, back in the 60s and 70s PIA was among the best in the world but due to it being nationalised and the politicians giving jobs for votes its gone down hill. I agree with noel some investment and training could lead this airline to be back on top again. Being a British Pakistani living in the middle east i travel among these three destinations regularly. So i have some experience. Also PIA don't fly their best product to Malaysia.
@@jackfruitbananas yes thats true. Also PIA has started to fly to Europe again. Maybe that product will be a lot better. NOEL TRY ISLAMABAD TO MANCHESTER PLEASE!
Oh this is sad, I used to fly them on the ORD-BCN route, same cabin, back then it was actually considered to be one of the better J classes. The food was, well amazing, same choice of 4 curries, but the aunties would pile a plate with rice, then just keep adding curries, once you were done with that plate (if you managed it) another full plate would appear ! You were not getting off the flight hungry. So sad to see how far they have slipped.
Yup, PIA I believe was one of the best airlines in the world back in the 60s, but like many other things in the country it became victim to corruption. Can blame People's Party and Noon League, 2 political parties that I believe ruined Pakistan in the last ~35 years.
Dave this is what happens when the military runs the international carrier ! They have indeed slipped alot - in the early / mid 90s it was on the most profitable airlines!
I have flown PIA on a number of occasions and have had some great experiences that I don't think are possible to replicate on any other airline anywhere.... Once on the flight from London to Islamabad my wife had a massive panic attack- the cabin crew tried to help her but failed, this is when the pilot came out and even took my wife to the cockpit to put her mind at ease about how they are flying the plane and that it was all safe. After the plane landed the captain came out once again to speak to my wife and I to wish us well on our ventures in Pakistan. On another flight on the same route, I remember one of the cabin crew looked after (for long periods of time) one of the twin babies of a family who were having a tough time tending to their 4 kids on the plane- something I doubt was in her job description!
At least they feed you! Airlines in America they give you a 2oz bag of peanuts and a 6oz drink that's it,and this is for a 4 hour flight from Indianapolis to Las Vegas
@@sportsfan1717 imagine your on a literal 15 to 18 hour flight and you decline and order no food or drinks, the crew would think your some sort of physco and you would be starving
@@NervousHagrid2.0 Tail has the crescent moon and star of Islam, which prohibits drinking alcohol. Pakistan is a 96% Muslim country. Stands to reason PIA would not serve alcohol.
@@bas3q yea but no bcz the star or crescent aren't symbols of Islam, actually Islam has no symbols. The crescent and star were used by the ottomans, not Islam. Although ottomans were the major Muslim superpower for a hell load of time hence people mistake the star and the crescent for islam
@@abdullahusman4056 That is true, I should have been more nuanced in my answer - they are symbols closely associated with many Muslim nations and peoples, not of the faith itself.
There's quite a famous video from a few years ago now, of one of PIA's 777s coming in to land at Stansted after some of the passengers began attacking the flight crew en-route to Manchester and attempted to storm the cockpit! Something I didn't know about Stansted until recently is that it's the UK's main destination for long-haul aircraft that have this sort of problem in-flight (including hijackings, passenger unrest, drunken violence, etc.) because the long distance from the terminals to the runway means that people on the ground can be safeguarded if anything goes wrong.
I used to fly with the purser of a BA flight that was hijacked in 1975. As you can see from the following article, the aircraft ended up at Stanstead. The pursers name was Alan Bond, a wonderful guy and sadly no longer with us. He dropped the ventral airstairs at the back of the 1-11, descended with the hijacker behind him, and got bit by a police dog :) The crew were given a cruise on the QE-2 as a thank you. " And in 1975, a British Airways plane was hijacked en route from Manchester to Heathrow airport. The passengers were let out at Heathrow on the understanding that the hijacker would be flown on to Paris. Instead the plane actually landed at Stansted where the hijacker, who used a toy pistol and imitation dynamite to seize the jet, was arrested." news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/633654.stm
@@celebrityrog "It is Britain's officially designated airport dealing with hijacks because the layout of the facility allows planes to stand well away from terminal buildings and other planes in a situation where negotiations may be required." home.bt.com/news/uk-news/why-do-security-scares-and-hijacked-planes-fly-to-stansted-airport-11364217865581
Err did you sleep through the TV programmes about it being the UK Air Incident diversion airport? It's also regularly featured in numerous newspaper reports. It ls also selected due to being away from the LHR and LGW very busy airspace and, the ability for military jets to bring down the target aircraft, if necessary, away from densly populated areas of London.
Remind me to give PIA a miss... Banned in certain countries. They finally thought getting licenced pilot would be a good idea. If the seat is not clean or even bolted in, I dread to think how serviceable the aircraft is in general. Also given the amount of excess cabin baggage on board I dread to think how inaccurate the calculated take off weight vs the actual take off weight is.
Hi Noel, for 3 yrs I used to take the Manila to Narita leg of Pakistan Airline every 3 months as I was shuttling from Manila to Tohoku University for my Phd studies1994-96). It was still clean, affordable airline. Sadly it is also no longer allowed to fly to Manila. Thank you again for another informative vlog!!
We've been on the business/first class to Lahore in 2011 I havent been back since I hardly been abroad as I haven't had the chance. There was plenty of leg room and spacious but only one bathroom /toilet was working.
@Rayaan Naqvi pilots without a license just one of the reasons. If you have a unlicensed pilot flying what do you think goes on with maintenance. I'm surprised they are allowed to fly in any airspace . It's a garbage airline and nobody cares if they were good 40 plus years ago .
p j if u researched a little, all of pia pilots are fully qualified to fly. They just used unlawful means to cheat in a recent test which the new government put in place. They have their cpl ATPL
Definitely come to Pakistan for a vacation. I'm from the US but have been staying in Pakistan with my in-laws and husband since January because of coronavirus. The Pakistani people are great for hospitality. We were actually in Islamabad last week, wish we knew you were here. Next time fly to Lahore, there are many things to see
Lol and get killed? I would never recommend white people to go to the most dangerous country in the world, any white person or non muslim can be killed anytime there, its the most horrible country in the world. There so many other countries to spend vacation in.
@@Deira854 as a white woman who has been to Pakistan 4 times and has traveled to a couple of cities and also lived in Pakistan for the past year, I can say its completely safe. Both my mom and I have been and never experienced any problems. Pakistani people went out of their way to make sure we were taken care of. Research before criticizing a country. Assalam aleikum (the greeting in Urdu/Arabic which means peace and blessings be upon you) and Allah Hafiz (goodbye in Urdu which means "may God protect you")
@@Deira854 I'm a white traveller who has been Pakistan many times and it's the most kindred,most beautiful and the most underrated country to be to you are just another dumb moron who knows nothing
13:19 Wow that guy complained about being tipped 5 euros which is surely quite a lot in Pakistan? They must be used to Americans giving $20 and what not.
Lovely to see the Classic Noel back... forget the business class luxury, let’s see more of you playing “have I got a qualified pilot flying this plane” roulette and travelling to wonderfully diverse places. Cracking video, food looked right up my street so I’d happily fly them. Islamabad looked beautiful too.
I'm a Filipino who flew on economy with Pakistan airline in the 80s to Jeddah via Karachi, and it was pretty good even better than my country's flag carrier 👍
@@tingleology9247 Because some "pilots" in that airline do NOT have a valid pilot's license. There were findings that would prove that the licenses were forged/ bought via a "Third party" without having gone through the training processes required as per the regulations.
Some of my earliest memories were on a 747 British Airways flight to PK. I also remember 747 Pia flights to Pakistan. I’ve always enjoyed flying with them, the staff can’t be funny with you sometimes but they’re generally nice people. I always enjoy the Pia food, and if you’re sweet talking you always get seconds lol. Thank you for your kind words of our beautiful country.
Despite being a Pakistani citizen, I have never flown with PIA (usually go for Turkish, Etihad, Emirates, Pacific) but I do know that it is notorious for the overwhelming corruption. The government is currently trying to privatize it but due to the extremely strong labour union (which is also corrupt) it's impossible. Man, this airline really fell from it's pre 2000's glory. Also they really don't give a crap about aircraft maintenance or safety (I know cause my aunt worked as the head of the cabin crew for more than 10 years)
PIA should start reciting Imran Khans "Ghabrana Nahi Hai" and chanting of "Nara E Takdeer, Nara E Takdeer" in place of saftey guidelines. Moreover, Pakistan is so obsessed with Jihads, they will start providing suicide jackets in place of life saving jackets one day. Marna to waose bhi hai, marte marte do char aur ko leke marna niche girke.
the company my brother worked for on maintenance found i think he said a 747 it had so many faults it had to leave manchester empty and never return till everything that was wrong got fixed !! this was about 15years ago
Where did this airline go wrong? I remember a long time ago (circa 2001) they did a new york -> manchester -> islamabad route. Never flew them myself though.
PIA has always been shady. I once found a bag of vomit in the seat in front of me and another time the full seat was hanging of .. Couldn't have asked for a better start to my holiday to Pakistan. 😜. While it's true politicians are to blame for its failings you can't blame corruption when it comes to cleanliness...just needs a team of proper cleaners and handymen to fix the small issues on board
@@Mirsab cleanliness doesn't cost a thing. I am talking about making the aeroplanes clean. But the thing is in Pakistan there is no care given to things like cleanliness and maintenance. It's more of a cultural thing, once something is built no money is put towards looking after it. For example, have you ever been to a government office? They always look dull and nasty. Could do with s fresh lick of paint now and again.
@@israrhussain1546 I completely agree with you but you’d be surprised how much cleanliness and maintenance of an airline costs. Nevertheless, they should really put more work into the airline.
I remember flying in the 80’s as a kid during the holidays for my home in Hong Hong to Pak and PIA was at top of its game at the time but then after that it somehow just went downhill and lost itself and now I have not flown since as they have terrible safety record with outdated planes and poor maintenance.
I am from India and we have been taught to hate everything Pakistani, but I really enjoyed your video and the views in Islamabad were really great. Actually i did think that the feel was not very different from India. Its a pity that we are 2 separate countries and its an even greater pity that we are not in the best of terms. Regarding PIA, just like India, Pakistan also has a huge immigrant population and foreign worker population. The target passenger demography is usually different from western airlines and as a result, they can get away with older aircraft and so on. Here in India, most of the immigrant workforce sell off properties and borrow money to even travel abroad for work, so even if the aircraft is sub-standard, it ends up being a delightful experience for them :)
And they are banned for a good reason as a third of their cockpit crew does not have a valid licence or cheated to get one... Glad you made it alive...
Nice video! The first ever flight in my life was PIA from Amsterdam to New York in a 747 back in 1989. Air travel was still more exclusive back then especially from Europe to the USA so I was stoked, PIA was more affordable than KLM!
Yeah PIA was one of the most well renowned international airlines in 20th century... Unfortunately politicians ruined it later on by politicizing it for their self interests
When I was 10 years old I wrote to Jim'll Fix It to ask them if I could fly in the cockpit of an airline. Later that afternoon I was FO with PIA on my way to Lahore. Was a lovely gesture by the captain to let me land.
Great to see a review of PIA in British accent. Although I may never be able to travel with them due to my Indian background but if Pakistan ever does give me a visa I will definitely travel with PIA. Sending love from Hereford, England 🏴
If you have a British passport, your Indian background shouldn't matter TMU. You should know that Pakistanis aren't as hostile towards Indians as Indians are towards Pakistanis IMO. In fact you might be given a better treatment for being of Indian origin
@@Mirsab Hundreds of pakistanis visit India for medical treatment and other such purposes. Any behaviour is a reflection, you behave good, we reciprocate the same.
As a Pakistani I would say never go on a PIA flight..... They are the worst airline services as well as bad food + No TV during flight ....The best thing about is only the professional pilots and their extremely smooth and safe landings but Maintainence companies are zero in PIA
Actually the aviation minister was kind of a jerk the pilots didnt have fake license it was more like they had clear their exams buy giving PCAA extra moneyy
Having as a Customs Officer the job of searching aircraft arriving in the U.K. the one airline we hated to search was PIA it was the pits, putting a hand under a seat you never knew what surprise you would find ! I will let your brain dwell on that ! The cleaning crews got paid danger money, we didn’t. The state of the aircraft was only one issue, the crews understanding of safety was so poor it was dangerous! Searching the void (the space above the cabin where the control cables run) we found stolen airline goods like bottles of soda hidden in the void on the control cables, just ready to slip and ... possibly one downed aircraft. Others were bad but none as bad as PIA I still would never fly PIA as it may have changed (don’t know) but memories linger. Actually talking to a good friend who was Pakistani, he also avoided PIA as if you could afford it he flew with EU based airlines.
Pretty simple really, PIA has been in operation for less than Air France, Air France has a much much larger fleet size (I’d venture to say 10 times larger than PIA) and Air France serves probably close to 100 countries while PIA… well… doesn’t. Let’s be honest, maintenance and training isn’t the top priority for PIA which, not ironically, is the cause for most crashes.
I flew PIA in 1997 from JFK to Lahore with a stopover in Amsterdam. I thought it was fine except the first flight was on the first 747 ever made. Every seat was a different color and when I tried to turn the overhead light on a light would come on about 3 rows away. Other than that it was a ok flight. It was a mad rush off the plane in Amsterdam to go get a drink at the bar but we made it to Lahore and I had a nice 2 weeks visiting Sialkot
The first 747 made, N7470, was never in commercial service. It was a testbed for Boeing until it was retired in April of 1995. It's currently at the Seattle Museum of Flight. The first commercial 747, N736PA, went to PamAm and was destroyed in the Tenerife disaster of March 1977. PIA's first 747 was a -282 varient, AP-AYW, and was leased from TAP (Portugal) in April of 1976. So if you meant 1977 instead of 1997, then it's possible you could have been on AP-AYW. It had a long life, staying with PIA until 2005, when it went to Evergreen where it was stored until 2010. It saw brief use with Baltia before being broken up in 2012 at KL, Malaysia. Incidentally, this was the plane involved in the 1986 incident at Islamabad, where the crew forgot to lower the landing gear before landing.
Between 1996 and 2000 I used PIA from Kennedy to Rawalpindi (the Islamabad airport was in Rawalpindi). Service was satisfactory but there were delays in taking off up to a few hours. Twice took flight from Rawalpindi to Skardu. I was able to sit in the cockpit on one of those flights. In those days PIA was referred to as Perhaps I arrive or Please Inform Allah, If you ignored the delays service was good.
I always seem to overpack. But whenever I fly PIA, it always makes me feel so much better seeing the numerous luggage trolleys everyone else seems to have at check-in.
Noel. .Thanks for your video..As a frequent flier & employee in the airline industry, even before Covid19, but never flown with PIA To be honest there are several scheduled & charter airlines, with leased aircrafts, that have similar discrepencies in & out of their cabins, as the ones you showed in your video!...Many airlines within the travel lndustry are struggling with financial overheads, even since before the pandemic..Several have gone bankrupt, not being able to maintain or invest in newer aircrafts. So PIA can only repair & maintain to meet the challenge that threatens our great travel business industry...Wishing PIA the best in this, by getting back to flying around the world with international style !
Have traveled with PIA in my old days and reminds me of the very good and great people to fly with. The political involvement ruined the national carrier that helped established Emirates Saudia and other gulf airlines. Currently structural reforms are going on hope to see them great people to fly with again In Sha Allah.
Hi, travelled PIA loads of times, and half the time they actually were on time and went where they were supposed to. PIA used to be called “pray in the air”. On one occasion I flew from Islamabad to Gilgett - an hour into the flight the plane turned around to Islamabad and we all got off, no idea why but hey ho. Still better than lots of African Airlines - in particular Kenyan Airlines.
I don’t understand dirty airlines In Pakistan and India. They have enormous populations could easily employ cleaners every time a plane lans to do a better job. Or I dunno, clean the plane thoroughly when it’s grounded? It’s such a basic, easy to fix job.
I would like to actually make a correction here. There was NO PILOT flying without a license, there were small little documentation issues with few pilots! The issue was highlighted wrongly and perceived worst. I believe, one must dig down deep before making a statement (I am sorry, must have sounded bit harsh). Thank you!
Great Vid and review you gave PIA and us the subscribers Noel, shame you wasn’t able to explore Islamabad, its on my bucket list to visit, along with the rest of Pakistan, Ive many Pakistani friends here in the UK and they only speak so highly of the country. Thanks again Noel for the vid. 🙏
Perpetual Grin Norway is stunning, not been to Greenland, I love Nepal - Switzerland - Italy, Japan - Southern Thailand, India, they are all favs of mine, but so looking forward to visiting Pakistan one day soon, well as soon as poss. 🙏 All travelling for me right now is off the list, 😥
Ask yourself why your Pakistani friends are not living in Pakistan, and why the UK is becoming it. And where they'll go when the UK has become unbearable, as it it becoming.
Well, it's really not about the quality of the airlines from what I heard, it's about letting pilots fly without licenses. Hopefully addressed... and at some point they'll get their network back. It's their own doing though. Right?
Pilots don’t fly without licenses. Many pilots are alleged to have cheated or not to have sat in the theoretical exams while obtaining their licenses. The pilots have actually flown their planes and logged the requisite number of hours.
i wouldn call the unprofessional service to customers, rude local passengers, the lack of safety and bad onplane hygiene just a "negative reputation" but FACTS! They re rightfully banned to fly in Western continents such as USA and Europe!
I always travelled with PIA and Insha Allah flying soon to go back home, in Executive economy that’s why I was looking for videos on that and I am glad that I found yours, very honest review. Yes I feel embarrassed about the condition of the aircraft but that’s what happen when you have corruption in every department of your country. Thank you for your review
Watch for it boy. Pilots may some day land it just outside your home. They are very talented. They do not need a runway to land or takeoff. They can even land their vehicle withou landing gears. PIA's pilots are still obsessed with GTA's which makes them fly their planes like shit.
Thank you Noel a fantastic review as always, I have travelled PIA as a child many times and your video brought back some happy memories. I really do hope PIA returns to its glory days. Being a British Pakistani I’m still very much patriotic to the national carrier of Pakistan. Thanks again keep up the good work.
As u fly alot can you tell us foods to avoid when flying or make a video. because some people tell me you shouldnt drink tea or coffee on flights because the water tanks are near the lavatories and are never cleaned. ??
777 is one of the safest aircraft by design when boeing took such things as the no 1 priority. So no matter what PIA does it’s practically bulletproof aircraft. As for cleanliness it’s pretty standard and yes they still smoke
PIA has a lot of history. It was one of the first airlines in the world to offer in flight entertainment. It was also a well respected carrier on which many popular people used to fly. One of them is Jacquiline Kennedy. It also has history of giving training and planes to start airlines like Emirates etc. I think it also used to serve alcohol on flights at one time. However, that's all in the past. As somone of Pakistani origin I have travelled with them many years ago when they were still very good, if not the greatest. Today this icon of past has deteriorated so much that you won't believe it's the same airline. I wish it can go back to what it used to be, but we will see.
Just saw this video, you almost snatched my words:-) PIA helped Turkish Air as well in every terms. Very sad to see PIA in such bad state. This is what corruption can do to a country, you need 2 staff members in a department and they employee 10 staff instead.
The reason why the flight was so full was that there are very few options other than PIA to fly to Pakistan, especially from the East, as was your case. Most Western and East Asian airlines have pulled out of that market, not because they didn't sell tickets (on the contrary, it was a very profitable route), but because it was deemed unsafe, with both internal political instability and the many extremist Islamic groups that find refuge there and the government turns a blind eye, for various and complex reasons (Osama bin Laden wasn't hiding there for no reason). Even Karachi, the country's largest and busiest airport, has suffered terrorist attacks. Middle Eastern carriers still fly to Pakistan, because they can't afford to lose a very busy market and especially because the many Pakistani workers in the Gulf countries make the route politically sensitive, but other than that, there aren't many foreign airlines serving it. The safety issues and the unreliability and inefficiency of the ground services would also make it unfeasible to create a hub in Pakistan, though the geographic location is indeed superb. Many, many years ago, in a more innocent era, I made a trip to Germany and I met a Japanese guy there who had flown from Tokyo to Frankfurt via Karachi on PIA, because it was the cheapest flight, and he liked it a lot. A curious fact: in Portuguese, the word "pia" can have three totally different meanings: as an adjective (in the female form, used for women), it means "pious", but as a noun, it means "sink" (the bathroom and kitchen fixture). It can also be one of the conjugated forms of the verb "piar", meaning "to tweet" (the actual bird sound, not on Twitter).
I enjoyed this from the comfort of my own bed! You are a brave man, and we love you for taking us to all of these places. I have lived and worked in Asia, and the cardboard boxes and stripey bags are a common feature of travelling! The best I’ve seen was a cardboard box with a live chicken in it trying to board as hand luggage...
One night, flying from Doha to Bahrain, an Arab gentleman, complete with robe, checkered head dress, with O-ring boarded with his falcon on his shoulder.
Pia used to be one of the best in the 60s, 70s and 80s... After that mismanagement caused its downfall . Remember they trained emirates staff and even manned their planes when first in service .
Thoroughly enjoyed your video. Sitting at home sick with the dreaded virus and living vicariously through you and your adventures! Keep up the good work!
Great video noel. Flown with pia from heathrow to lahore a few times before they got banned. Not had any problems but occasionally you get the odd one now & again 😊
Back in the day 1950s and up to 1980 PIA was like Emirates and Singapore airlines are today. Perks for employees were excellent. You have to understand PIA is a nationalised airline and given the plethora of corrupt governments, patronage to those that helped the government was rife. This led to appointments of inept, uneducated staff from Punjab and interior Sindh, their work ethic is immediately up with the word barbaric. Over time the airline was raped by staffers, management where ex management set up their own airlines and deliberately lowered the standard to make their airlines more attractive. Ghost employees were created to syphon funds and even “real” employees would not turn up, but still get paid. To make things worse you had unions and the MQM that proved to be the final nail in the coffin. Now when the walking penis Aviation minister announces without proper figures that all pilots from Pakistan have “fake” qualifications, everyone runs a mile.
That guy assisting you with your bag as you exited the airport only reinforced my belief that a foreigner would be scammed at every opportunity within Pakistan. Having handed him €5, he looked for more. Hence I have absolutely no interest in ever visiting the country. Treat visitors with respect , stop trying to scam them and you may attract more visitors to your country. As for smoking onboard, spent a lot of time travelling on Vietnam Airlines many years ago , not only would the Vietnamese pilots regularly smoke in the cockpit but the male cabin crew would also visit the cockpit regularly to smoke a cigarette. (I’d never seen any Vietnamese female smoke). Airplanes used to stink of cigarettes.
You have to figure it's got to be pretty bad if an airline is banned from Europe. From the US is one thing, since US regulations can be a more strict than other countries/regions, but if it's banned from Europe, that might not be a good thing from a safety standpoint. Generally airlines or flights get banned for two primary reasons -- political reasons or safety concerns. Obviously flying without a pilot's license is dangerous as I've heard that flying a commercial jet is completely different than say a personal plane or even turbo-prop even though some of the training and skillset is similar. Is the middle seat in the middle section discounted?
Curious Noel about the resort island you overflew upon leaving KL. You show it on the video as a palm tree in the water similar to Dubai and area. Do you know where that was as I can't find it by tracking along the Malaysian or Thai coasts?
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Could you Please review Biman Bangladesh airlines !
How much you got paid for this video. ? When you said that you never saw so many people with their extra hand baggage , that’s just not true cause UIA or China Easter passengers took more than what they taking ..,
It's not banned in Europe, I used this Airline once, Islamabad to Paris, the experience was obviously terrible, but it's not banned. You can use it to travel in Italy or Romania as well.
great to see Pakistan seen in a different light, you are right with the right team and investment PIA can go along way
Your way accent is so bad
Considering that their latest accident involved an aircraft crashing due to attempting to land without gear, you are one brave man.
And airline pilots with fake certificates.
Landing gear failed actually
and a bunch of fake pilots
No pilot would fly with them if they could work for a better airline
We know they r way too far though
PIA is a case of corruption by the politicians. PIA helped start emeriates, qatar and saudia airlines, back in the 60s and 70s PIA was among the best in the world but due to it being nationalised and the politicians giving jobs for votes its gone down hill. I agree with noel some investment and training could lead this airline to be back on top again. Being a British Pakistani living in the middle east i travel among these three destinations regularly. So i have some experience. Also PIA don't fly their best product to Malaysia.
Market to/fro KUL mainly migrant workers (unskilled/semi-skilled) labour.
@@jackfruitbananas yes thats true. Also PIA has started to fly to Europe again. Maybe that product will be a lot better. NOEL TRY ISLAMABAD TO MANCHESTER PLEASE!
ZALDARI and NAWAAZ SHARIF to blame. PIA had the best safety record for many decades.
@@beastman.330 very true
Malaysian airlines too had financial difficulty due to too many staff on board, those extra staff also were given jobs by corrupt politicians for vote
Oh this is sad, I used to fly them on the ORD-BCN route, same cabin, back then it was actually considered to be one of the better J classes. The food was, well amazing, same choice of 4 curries, but the aunties would pile a plate with rice, then just keep adding curries, once you were done with that plate (if you managed it) another full plate would appear ! You were not getting off the flight hungry. So sad to see how far they have slipped.
Yup, PIA I believe was one of the best airlines in the world back in the 60s, but like many other things in the country it became victim to corruption. Can blame People's Party and Noon League, 2 political parties that I believe ruined Pakistan in the last ~35 years.
@@Mirsab wtf😂Bhondo Pti bari patt rhi h
Dave this is what happens when the military runs the international carrier ! They have indeed slipped alot - in the early / mid 90s it was on the most profitable airlines!
I have flown PIA on a number of occasions and have had some great experiences that I don't think are possible to replicate on any other airline anywhere.... Once on the flight from London to Islamabad my wife had a massive panic attack- the cabin crew tried to help her but failed, this is when the pilot came out and even took my wife to the cockpit to put her mind at ease about how they are flying the plane and that it was all safe. After the plane landed the captain came out once again to speak to my wife and I to wish us well on our ventures in Pakistan. On another flight on the same route, I remember one of the cabin crew looked after (for long periods of time) one of the twin babies of a family who were having a tough time tending to their 4 kids on the plane- something I doubt was in her job description!
They took your wife to the cockpit?! And this is why they’re banned…
@@JackWeller there are plenty of other reasons. I hope there wasn’t a cause and effect relationship here..!
That’s when your wife hijacked the plane. Give your wife a Valium.🤡
Personally after them allowing pilots with fake licenses to flyI would massively avoid and glad that the EU and U.K. have continued with the ban 🙂
" Taking to cockpit " very unsafe, definitely not a good idea
At least they feed you! Airlines in America they give you a 2oz bag of peanuts and a 6oz drink that's it,and this is for a 4 hour flight from Indianapolis to Las Vegas
You're clearly flying a crap airline
I'm not taking a flight for food, I'd go to a restaurant for that.
@@sportsfan1717 then on your next flight decline all forms of food and drinks.
He had an international flight and not domestic one
@@sportsfan1717 imagine your on a literal 15 to 18 hour flight and you decline and order no food or drinks, the crew would think your some sort of physco and you would be starving
I love how the guy openly complained about how much he had been tipped haha
Worked doing in flight catering for Amsterdam airport, PIA chef there was brilliant all the boys from the UK had curries every night.
Noel hearing the pilot say,"I'll sacrificed my life for Pakistan
GRAPE🍇
With a carrot and grape
😂😂😂😂
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Shut up
This Airline has established the Emirates, but because of the corruption this is going downwards, but hope for the best.
I’m surprised they are even allowed to fly in any airspace with too many fake pilots flying their planes.
@@mps28 there are no fake pilots only the gov. Is corrupted
@@doccu reports said.. PIA suspended those pilots and charged them. Dont you know about it?? They are runnin bldy plane not a bicycle..😂😂
@@invoker4960 true
@@invoker4960 allright I was wrong then. How many pilots we're suspened?
I was on board in PIA a few days back and I think it's a pretty decent airline. ( It was a domestic flight and costed me 6 cents per km)
6 cents per km? Holy crap thats cheap.
You get what you pay for.
@@Anas-rx9zs Hahaha.
@@christinegraham7693 Indeed, you do.
Cheaper than Uber!
Noel: D'ya have a beer?
F/A: Any chance you had a look at the tail of this aircraft before you boarded?
Explanation?
@@NervousHagrid2.0 Tail has the crescent moon and star of Islam, which prohibits drinking alcohol. Pakistan is a 96% Muslim country. Stands to reason PIA would not serve alcohol.
@@bas3q oh very interesting, thanks for responding and explaining.
@@bas3q yea but no bcz the star or crescent aren't symbols of Islam, actually Islam has no symbols. The crescent and star were used by the ottomans, not Islam. Although ottomans were the major Muslim superpower for a hell load of time hence people mistake the star and the crescent for islam
@@abdullahusman4056 That is true, I should have been more nuanced in my answer - they are symbols closely associated with many Muslim nations and peoples, not of the faith itself.
An Airline full of Surprises...always :D
Josh!
ah yes like the pilots forgetting to pull down the gear....
Ha, good to see two of my favourite TH-camrs on the same channel.
5L I was wondering where I would find an ignorant comment made by a bigoted racist.....and here it is!
Why do someone risks his life
There's quite a famous video from a few years ago now, of one of PIA's 777s coming in to land at Stansted after some of the passengers began attacking the flight crew en-route to Manchester and attempted to storm the cockpit! Something I didn't know about Stansted until recently is that it's the UK's main destination for long-haul aircraft that have this sort of problem in-flight (including hijackings, passenger unrest, drunken violence, etc.) because the long distance from the terminals to the runway means that people on the ground can be safeguarded if anything goes wrong.
Wow! Really? Quite interesting!
I used to fly with the purser of a BA flight that was hijacked in 1975. As you can see from the following article, the aircraft ended up at Stanstead. The pursers name was Alan Bond, a wonderful guy and sadly no longer with us. He dropped the ventral airstairs at the back of the 1-11, descended with the hijacker behind him, and got bit by a police dog :) The crew were given a cruise on the QE-2 as a thank you.
" And in 1975, a British Airways plane was hijacked en route from Manchester to Heathrow airport. The passengers were let out at Heathrow on the understanding that the hijacker would be flown on to Paris.
Instead the plane actually landed at Stansted where the hijacker, who used a toy pistol and imitation dynamite to seize the jet, was arrested."
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/633654.stm
@@celebrityrog "It is Britain's officially designated airport dealing with hijacks because the layout of the facility allows planes to stand well away from terminal buildings and other planes in a situation where negotiations may be required."
home.bt.com/news/uk-news/why-do-security-scares-and-hijacked-planes-fly-to-stansted-airport-11364217865581
Err did you sleep through the TV programmes about it being the UK Air Incident diversion airport? It's also regularly featured in numerous newspaper reports.
It ls also selected due to being away from the LHR and LGW very busy airspace and, the ability for military jets to bring down the target aircraft, if necessary, away from densly populated areas of London.
Alot of the stuff over scotland gets diverted to Prestwick.
I assume because of the nice long runways, and relatively flat surrounding terrain.
Nobody talks about how smooth that landing is.
I know right? Was just on Pia's 777 300er (Ap-Bms) and they legit smashed the plane in the ground haha xD
Smooth as his noggin
What.. I didn't get it.. Is it not obvious to have a smooth landing.. Enlighten me 😅😅
Because camera stabilization these days makes literally makes a good vs bad landing almost imperceptible these days.
@@mrjaycam18 yep definitely. There’s no way it could be a smooth landing.
Forget Trek Trendy and Jeb Brooks with their 1st class flights and 5 * hotels - Noel, you are the stunt man of the TH-cam travel channels!
Seats not fastened very well... dont worry, neither are the wings
That was really quite unnecessary and rude
Oh ya so he shuld hv been more thankful n greatful he landed safely n alive he himself looking so happy check his comments in end
Thats so rude!
Haha ikr
Remind me to give PIA a miss...
Banned in certain countries.
They finally thought getting licenced pilot would be a good idea.
If the seat is not clean or even bolted in, I dread to think how serviceable the aircraft is in general.
Also given the amount of excess cabin baggage on board I dread to think how inaccurate the calculated take off weight vs the actual take off weight is.
I love that even with the weird things that you seen in this flight you kept being respectful and understanding
I agree
Hi Noel, for 3 yrs I used to take the Manila to Narita leg of Pakistan Airline every 3 months as I was shuttling from Manila to Tohoku University for my Phd studies1994-96). It was still clean, affordable airline. Sadly it is also no longer allowed to fly to Manila. Thank you again for another informative vlog!!
Look his head no hair it's weird
@@gokuultrainstinct5280 it’s common in western countries to be bald
We've been on the business/first class to Lahore in 2011 I havent been back since I hardly been abroad as I haven't had the chance. There was plenty of leg room and spacious but only one bathroom /toilet was working.
You should have flown economy - now that would have been really entertaining!
Even he’s not going to put himself through that torture
It's like any other economy actually
You can kind of see why they are banned from Europe.
@Rayaan Naqvi pilots without a license just one of the reasons. If you have a unlicensed pilot flying what do you think goes on with maintenance. I'm surprised they are allowed to fly in any airspace . It's a garbage airline and nobody cares if they were good 40 plus years ago .
@@Krystian10
Most of the bullshit American and western airlines are going to be disposed off or land forever, what are the reasons for that?
@@Muhammad_arif_khan Lol, you big mad.
@@Muhammad_arif_khan Your life must suck if you feel the need to blame all of life's issue on "the west"
@@kiwikiwi2483 I blame sunsets on the west stealing our light.
Unlicensed pilots...just a small issue.
I know rightttttttt
Noel was probably more qualified to fly that plane than the pilots were 😂
p j if u researched a little, all of pia pilots are fully qualified to fly. They just used unlawful means to cheat in a recent test which the new government put in place. They have their cpl ATPL
@@XtremeFun I have, and I knew that, it was a joke, hence the 😂 🙄
@@V8King770 Well Noel does have his PPL, so probably is
Definitely come to Pakistan for a vacation. I'm from the US but have been staying in Pakistan with my in-laws and husband since January because of coronavirus. The Pakistani people are great for hospitality. We were actually in Islamabad last week, wish we knew you were here. Next time fly to Lahore, there are many things to see
Thx and peace and blessings be upon you hope everything is well
Lol and get killed? I would never recommend white people to go to the most dangerous country in the world, any white person or non muslim can be killed anytime there, its the most horrible country in the world. There so many other countries to spend vacation in.
@@Deira854 as a white woman who has been to Pakistan 4 times and has traveled to a couple of cities and also lived in Pakistan for the past year, I can say its completely safe. Both my mom and I have been and never experienced any problems. Pakistani people went out of their way to make sure we were taken care of. Research before criticizing a country. Assalam aleikum (the greeting in Urdu/Arabic which means peace and blessings be upon you) and Allah Hafiz (goodbye in Urdu which means "may God protect you")
@@Deira854 I'm a white traveller who has been Pakistan many times and it's the most kindred,most beautiful and the most underrated country to be to you are just another dumb moron who knows nothing
@@S.link21 lol pakistani pretending to be white hahahah
13:19 Wow that guy complained about being tipped 5 euros which is surely quite a lot in Pakistan? They must be used to Americans giving $20 and what not.
My mother and I flew from Dhaka, Bangladesh to London UK with PIA in 1992. It was really a wonderful flight.
The audio was so much better in this video! Loved it! Thank you
Lovely to see the Classic Noel back... forget the business class luxury, let’s see more of you playing “have I got a qualified pilot flying this plane” roulette and travelling to wonderfully diverse places. Cracking video, food looked right up my street so I’d happily fly them. Islamabad looked beautiful too.
Omg Noel after all those crazy stories you've heard about fake pilots licences within PIA... you're the man!!
There were no Fake Certificates. Our Idiot Minister fucked up the Situation. There were just some pilots whose lisence needed to be renewed.
@@azhanmalik6915 yes, US and Europe ate idiots too as they have banned PIA. Only pakistan is smart
@@genericguy_ Not as smart as you Man.
I'm a Filipino who flew on economy with Pakistan airline in the 80s to Jeddah via Karachi, and it was pretty good even better than my country's flag carrier 👍
Hahahaha
Keep up with the fantastic work, Noel! As always, I truly enjoy your outstanding content! Hello from Texas (and Arkansas).
Thank you!
Gate agent: May I see your passport please...
Noel: May I see the pilots' licences please...
Why because their Pakistani?
@@tingleology9247 Because some "pilots" in that airline do NOT have a valid pilot's license. There were findings that would prove that the licenses were forged/ bought via a "Third party" without having gone through the training processes required as per the regulations.
@@TAILSORANGEs Just some???? About a third of all their "pilots" had fake licenses...
Some of my earliest memories were on a 747 British Airways flight to PK. I also remember 747 Pia flights to Pakistan. I’ve always enjoyed flying with them, the staff can’t be funny with you sometimes but they’re generally nice people. I always enjoy the Pia food, and if you’re sweet talking you always get seconds lol. Thank you for your kind words of our beautiful country.
Despite being a Pakistani citizen, I have never flown with PIA (usually go for Turkish, Etihad, Emirates, Pacific) but I do know that it is notorious for the overwhelming corruption. The government is currently trying to privatize it but due to the extremely strong labour union (which is also corrupt) it's impossible. Man, this airline really fell from it's pre 2000's glory. Also they really don't give a crap about aircraft maintenance or safety (I know cause my aunt worked as the head of the cabin crew for more than 10 years)
My Grand parents from Edinburgh were married in Karachi in 1925. Love the videos Noel...subscribed earlier.
Oh wow!
1925 then there was no pakistan
@@Uthred_Ragnarson yes there was it was just joint with india
@@thenextstepxzs THanks for telling
@@Uthred_Ragnarson no problem
When the plane is about to land and Noel listens, "Gabhrana nahi hai" 😅
@Shivam Bhardwaj 🤣🤣
Maro mujhe maroo. Ek second. Matlab kya ye mazak chal raha hai?
Why this is what happen on Air India ??🤔🤔
PIA should start reciting Imran Khans "Ghabrana Nahi Hai" and chanting of "Nara E Takdeer, Nara E Takdeer" in place of saftey guidelines. Moreover, Pakistan is so obsessed with Jihads, they will start providing suicide jackets in place of life saving jackets one day. Marna to waose bhi hai, marte marte do char aur ko leke marna niche girke.
😂
You have to take flight from Islamabad to Gilgit in the north. It's one of the amazing flights and views you can get you will forget Nepal
Do you have any beer? Naaah the pilots drank it all...
That’s United
@@unknown-im2bh You mean United Nations? :D
FilK79 nah united airlines had the pilots turn up drunk on a Glasgow to Newark flight lol
You are a brave man , I remember when there uses to be a daily PIA flight out of Manchester and the copious baggage people brought with them.
I used to work at Manchester airport and the horror stories I'd hear from the cleaners and cabin crew working the PIA flight used to shock me.
Brett Cook do tell please
@@TheMarkisaBeast toilets dont use flush and aisles are rotten
the company my brother worked for on maintenance found i think he said a 747 it had so many faults it had to leave manchester empty and never return till everything that was wrong got fixed !! this was about 15years ago
Pakistani here, I'm glad you had some nice things to say about Pakistan :D
@Archeet Chugh that a lil rude dont u think
@Archeet Chugh Sitting on the railway line and waiting for poop? Shut the mouth, that's coming out of the wrong side.
@@CutiePieVids that's few parts of India, have you ever seen the cities? It would fascinate you considering how primitive and terrorized pak is.
@@talkswithvigy7860 u are primitive for even engaging in this beef
@@CutiePieVids 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Was this before or after the PIA flight 8303 crash? I think it was after because you mention the license scandal. Brave man.
Where did this airline go wrong? I remember a long time ago (circa 2001) they did a new york -> manchester -> islamabad route. Never flew them myself though.
Corruption and a few unlucky events which resulted in them losing all their money and revenue
Yeah the airline is going through a shady phase right now but good things are coming its way. Glad you enjoyed Islamabad.
PIA has always been shady. I once found a bag of vomit in the seat in front of me and another time the full seat was hanging of .. Couldn't have asked for a better start to my holiday to Pakistan. 😜. While it's true politicians are to blame for its failings you can't blame corruption when it comes to cleanliness...just needs a team of proper cleaners and handymen to fix the small issues on board
@@israrhussain1546 kinda can, corruption can lead to low standards
@@Mirsab cleanliness doesn't cost a thing. I am talking about making the aeroplanes clean. But the thing is in Pakistan there is no care given to things like cleanliness and maintenance. It's more of a cultural thing, once something is built no money is put towards looking after it. For example, have you ever been to a government office? They always look dull and nasty. Could do with s fresh lick of paint now and again.
@@israrhussain1546 I completely agree with you but you’d be surprised how much cleanliness and maintenance of an airline costs. Nevertheless, they should really put more work into the airline.
I remember flying in the 80’s as a kid during the holidays for my home in Hong Hong to Pak and PIA was at top of its game at the time but then after that it somehow just went downhill and lost itself and now I have not flown since as they have terrible safety record with outdated planes and poor maintenance.
Etihad is far better
I am from India and we have been taught to hate everything Pakistani, but I really enjoyed your video and the views in Islamabad were really great. Actually i did think that the feel was not very different from India. Its a pity that we are 2 separate countries and its an even greater pity that we are not in the best of terms.
Regarding PIA, just like India, Pakistan also has a huge immigrant population and foreign worker population. The target passenger demography is usually different from western airlines and as a result, they can get away with older aircraft and so on. Here in India, most of the immigrant workforce sell off properties and borrow money to even travel abroad for work, so even if the aircraft is sub-standard, it ends up being a delightful experience for them :)
Oh my god you've got some balls ... I travelled PIA from Dubai to Karachi because the tickets were cheap and my experience was horrible ...
I’m cabin crew and I love watching your videos Noel 😃
And they are banned for a good reason as a third of their cockpit crew does not have a valid licence or cheated to get one... Glad you made it alive...
@@neonwired4978 accurate enough.
neonwired a handful is too many
Nice video! The first ever flight in my life was PIA from Amsterdam to New York in a 747 back in 1989. Air travel was still more exclusive back then especially from Europe to the USA so I was stoked, PIA was more affordable than KLM!
How was the experience?
that's probably because the pilots are untrained 🤣
Yeah PIA was one of the most well renowned international airlines in 20th century... Unfortunately politicians ruined it later on by politicizing it for their self interests
At 12:15, is that a bar? A strange thing to have on a dry airline.
In the restroom Is there an actual toilet or is there just a shit covered hole in the bottom of the plane?
When I was 10 years old I wrote to Jim'll Fix It to ask them if I could fly in the cockpit of an airline. Later that afternoon I was FO with PIA on my way to Lahore. Was a lovely gesture by the captain to let me land.
Must have been a bummer when you couldn't order a beer.
@@DutchSteamboat no one who flies on PIA has consumed alcohol in their lives.
Beautiful comment .Chesterton 👍👍👍
I was eating when I saw what was on your seat and I kinda lost my appetite lol😂
What....a seat belt ????wtf
Great to see a review of PIA in British accent. Although I may never be able to travel with them due to my Indian background but if Pakistan ever does give me a visa I will definitely travel with PIA. Sending love from Hereford, England 🏴
Many Indins have visited Pakistan. I doubt you will have any problems getting a visa
If you have a British passport, your Indian background shouldn't matter TMU.
You should know that Pakistanis aren't as hostile towards Indians as Indians are towards Pakistanis IMO.
In fact you might be given a better treatment for being of Indian origin
@@Mirsab Hundreds of pakistanis visit India for medical treatment and other such purposes. Any behaviour is a reflection, you behave good, we reciprocate the same.
@@sivr3352 and btw which other purposes?
@@amberlight5830 visiting family, study, work in entertainment industry etc
I flew on PIA DC10-30 in1985. Loved the Pakistani food!
I really enjoy your videos.
As a Pakistani I would say never go on a PIA flight..... They are the worst airline services as well as bad food + No TV during flight ....The best thing about is only the professional pilots and their extremely smooth and safe landings but Maintainence companies are zero in PIA
hol up they were accepting people without pilots lisenceses?
Actually the aviation minister was kind of a jerk the pilots didnt have fake license it was more like they had clear their exams buy giving PCAA extra moneyy
@5L people's life are underrated because of it
Although they do know how to fly the plane :p
fixed landing gear pilots.
@5L yup the planes practically fly themselves nowadays.
Having as a Customs Officer the job of searching aircraft arriving in the U.K. the one airline we hated to search was PIA it was the pits, putting a hand under a seat you never knew what surprise you would find ! I will let your brain dwell on that !
The cleaning crews got paid danger money, we didn’t.
The state of the aircraft was only one issue, the crews understanding of safety was so poor it was dangerous!
Searching the void (the space above the cabin where the control cables run) we found stolen airline goods like bottles of soda hidden in the void on the control cables, just ready to slip and ... possibly one downed aircraft.
Others were bad but none as bad as PIA
I still would never fly PIA as it may have changed (don’t know) but memories linger.
Actually talking to a good friend who was Pakistani, he also avoided PIA as if you could afford it he flew with EU based airlines.
Listen shut up
We didn’t need all that talking
Plus how is PIA that bad if they have only had 23 crashes and Air France has had 149 crashes
Pretty simple really, PIA has been in operation for less than Air France, Air France has a much much larger fleet size (I’d venture to say 10 times larger than PIA) and Air France serves probably close to 100 countries while PIA… well… doesn’t.
Let’s be honest, maintenance and training isn’t the top priority for PIA which, not ironically, is the cause for most crashes.
@@vitaly6312 PIA goes to 56 destinations where as Air France goes to around 40
I flew PIA in 1997 from JFK to Lahore with a stopover in Amsterdam. I thought it was fine except the first flight was on the first 747 ever made. Every seat was a different color and when I tried to turn the overhead light on a light would come on about 3 rows away. Other than that it was a ok flight. It was a mad rush off the plane in Amsterdam to go get a drink at the bar but we made it to Lahore and I had a nice 2 weeks visiting Sialkot
The first 747 made, N7470, was never in commercial service. It was a testbed for Boeing until it was retired in April of 1995. It's currently at the Seattle Museum of Flight. The first commercial 747, N736PA, went to PamAm and was destroyed in the Tenerife disaster of March 1977.
PIA's first 747 was a -282 varient, AP-AYW, and was leased from TAP (Portugal) in April of 1976.
So if you meant 1977 instead of 1997, then it's possible you could have been on AP-AYW. It had a long life, staying with PIA until 2005, when it went to Evergreen where it was stored until 2010. It saw brief use with Baltia before being broken up in 2012 at KL, Malaysia.
Incidentally, this was the plane involved in the 1986 incident at Islamabad, where the crew forgot to lower the landing gear before landing.
The PIA flights to Leeds Bradford used to be absolutely rammed, as was the airport when these flights arrived or departed,utter chaos most times.
Between 1996 and 2000 I used PIA from Kennedy to Rawalpindi (the Islamabad airport was in Rawalpindi). Service was satisfactory but there were delays in taking off up to a few hours. Twice took flight from Rawalpindi to Skardu. I was able to sit in the cockpit on one of those flights. In those days PIA was referred to as Perhaps I arrive or Please Inform Allah, If you ignored the delays service was good.
"A squirt of sticky fluid later, I was on my way!" - Noel Philips, 2020
Only bald headed people would say that lol
That's what she said.
Hahahaha!
Literally everyone trying to go to sleep
I always seem to overpack. But whenever I fly PIA, it always makes me feel so much better seeing the numerous luggage trolleys everyone else seems to have at check-in.
Kitchen sink syndrome.
One thing I noticed about Air India and Air Pakistan, the food is the best i've ever had on an airliner!
PIA has FIRE food and ive flown soo many airlines. We love meat and spices and rice 😆😀
Noel. .Thanks for your video..As a frequent flier & employee in the airline industry, even before Covid19, but never flown with PIA To be honest there are several scheduled & charter airlines, with leased aircrafts, that have similar discrepencies in & out of their cabins, as the ones you showed in your video!...Many airlines within the travel lndustry are struggling with financial overheads, even since before the pandemic..Several have gone bankrupt, not being able to maintain or invest in newer aircrafts. So PIA can only repair & maintain to meet the challenge that threatens our great travel business industry...Wishing PIA the best in this, by getting back to flying around the world with international style !
This makes me feel better about flying with Ryanair for the first time, always been a Jet2, TUI, Easyjet person
Have traveled with PIA in my old days and reminds me of the very good and great people to fly with. The political involvement ruined the national carrier that helped established Emirates Saudia and other gulf airlines. Currently structural reforms are going on hope to see them great people to fly with again In Sha Allah.
They didn't help establish my Emirates. I think your over claiming here.
@@abseiduk Emirates leased their first planes from PIA. And Emirates pilots were trained by pia pilots
@@shahji5119 it's like Billionaire begging from Beggar😂
@@yashkonaje6813 Boo! Do your research Indian!
@@yashkonaje6813lies
Did that cheeky bastard really say "is that it" when you gave him 5 Euros? over a 1000 Rupees.
Hi, travelled PIA loads of times, and half the time they actually were on time and went where they were supposed to. PIA used to be called “pray in the air”. On one occasion I flew from Islamabad to Gilgett - an hour into the flight the plane turned around to Islamabad and we all got off, no idea why but hey ho.
Still better than lots of African Airlines - in particular Kenyan Airlines.
Not better tha Etihad
Atleast Kenya airlines is considered safe enough to fly into the USA and Europe
I don’t understand dirty airlines In Pakistan and India. They have enormous populations could easily employ cleaners every time a plane lans to do a better job. Or I dunno, clean the plane thoroughly when it’s grounded? It’s such a basic, easy to fix job.
I would like to actually make a correction here. There was NO PILOT flying without a license, there were small little documentation issues with few pilots! The issue was highlighted wrongly and perceived worst. I believe, one must dig down deep before making a statement (I am sorry, must have sounded bit harsh). Thank you!
Pilots were not fully certified
Great Vid and review you gave PIA and us the subscribers Noel, shame you wasn’t able to explore Islamabad, its on my bucket list to visit, along with the rest of Pakistan, Ive many Pakistani friends here in the UK and they only speak so highly of the country.
Thanks again Noel for the vid. 🙏
Perpetual Grin Brilliant recommendation coming from a well traveled chap from down under, thank you. 🙏
Perpetual Grin Norway is stunning, not been to Greenland, I love Nepal - Switzerland - Italy, Japan - Southern Thailand, India, they are all favs of mine, but so looking forward to visiting Pakistan one day soon, well as soon as poss. 🙏
All travelling for me right now is off the list, 😥
Ask yourself why your Pakistani friends are not living in Pakistan, and why the UK is becoming it. And where they'll go when the UK has become unbearable, as it it becoming.
Well, it's really not about the quality of the airlines from what I heard, it's about letting pilots fly without licenses. Hopefully addressed... and at some point they'll get their network back. It's their own doing though. Right?
The government are really retarded now, a old cricketer is president and follow America for everything but want relations with china
"Old cricketer", hes been a politician for 24 years.
they have licenses. "not without licenses" but they got those licenses without passing some of the written exams.
They have licenses otherwise they could not have flown the plane 😂 Yh its just they got the lisences without some written exams
Pilots don’t fly without licenses. Many pilots are alleged to have cheated or not to have sat in the theoretical exams while obtaining their licenses. The pilots have actually flown their planes and logged the requisite number of hours.
Many thanks for sharing your objective, open-minded views that you expressed of your experience despite the negative reputation PIA has in Europe.
i wouldn call the unprofessional service to customers, rude local passengers, the lack of safety and bad onplane hygiene just a "negative reputation" but FACTS! They re rightfully banned to fly in Western continents such as USA and Europe!
I always travelled with PIA and Insha Allah flying soon to go back home, in Executive economy that’s why I was looking for videos on that and I am glad that I found yours, very honest review. Yes I feel embarrassed about the condition of the aircraft but that’s what happen when you have corruption in every department of your country. Thank you for your review
PIA is one of the very few airlines that sometimes fly over my house :D i always go to look at it outside maybe once in 2 months
Tuomaaszz Where is your home?
@@_aidid Finland
Watch for it boy. Pilots may some day land it just outside your home. They are very talented. They do not need a runway to land or takeoff. They can even land their vehicle withou landing gears. PIA's pilots are still obsessed with GTA's which makes them fly their planes like shit.
@@rahuldhiman3370 but our airforce pilots are professional, they help indian jets make crash landings in Pakistan and india both
you are lucky it hasnt fallen over you. did you go out to check that out very time.
Thanks for the upload Noel! Safe travels!
Thank you Noel a fantastic review as always, I have travelled PIA as a child many times and your video brought back some happy memories. I really do hope PIA returns to its glory days. Being a British Pakistani I’m still very much patriotic to the national carrier of Pakistan. Thanks again keep up the good work.
As u fly alot can you tell us foods to avoid when flying or make a video. because some people tell me you shouldnt drink tea or coffee on flights because the water tanks are near the lavatories and are never cleaned. ??
777 is one of the safest aircraft by design when boeing took such things as the no 1 priority. So no matter what PIA does it’s practically bulletproof aircraft. As for cleanliness it’s pretty standard and yes they still smoke
PIA has a lot of history. It was one of the first airlines in the world to offer in flight entertainment. It was also a well respected carrier on which many popular people used to fly. One of them is Jacquiline Kennedy. It also has history of giving training and planes to start airlines like Emirates etc. I think it also used to serve alcohol on flights at one time. However, that's all in the past. As somone of Pakistani origin I have travelled with them many years ago when they were still very good, if not the greatest. Today this icon of past has deteriorated so much that you won't believe it's the same airline. I wish it can go back to what it used to be, but we will see.
Just saw this video, you almost snatched my words:-)
PIA helped Turkish Air as well in every terms. Very sad to see PIA in such bad state. This is what corruption can do to a country, you need 2 staff members in a department and they employee 10 staff instead.
The reason why the flight was so full was that there are very few options other than PIA to fly to Pakistan, especially from the East, as was your case. Most Western and East Asian airlines have pulled out of that market, not because they didn't sell tickets (on the contrary, it was a very profitable route), but because it was deemed unsafe, with both internal political instability and the many extremist Islamic groups that find refuge there and the government turns a blind eye, for various and complex reasons (Osama bin Laden wasn't hiding there for no reason). Even Karachi, the country's largest and busiest airport, has suffered terrorist attacks. Middle Eastern carriers still fly to Pakistan, because they can't afford to lose a very busy market and especially because the many Pakistani workers in the Gulf countries make the route politically sensitive, but other than that, there aren't many foreign airlines serving it. The safety issues and the unreliability and inefficiency of the ground services would also make it unfeasible to create a hub in Pakistan, though the geographic location is indeed superb. Many, many years ago, in a more innocent era, I made a trip to Germany and I met a Japanese guy there who had flown from Tokyo to Frankfurt via Karachi on PIA, because it was the cheapest flight, and he liked it a lot.
A curious fact: in Portuguese, the word "pia" can have three totally different meanings: as an adjective (in the female form, used for women), it means "pious", but as a noun, it means "sink" (the bathroom and kitchen fixture). It can also be one of the conjugated forms of the verb "piar", meaning "to tweet" (the actual bird sound, not on Twitter).
I enjoyed this from the comfort of my own bed! You are a brave man, and we love you for taking us to all of these places. I have lived and worked in Asia, and the cardboard boxes and stripey bags are a common feature of travelling! The best I’ve seen was a cardboard box with a live chicken in it trying to board as hand luggage...
One night, flying from Doha to Bahrain, an Arab gentleman, complete with robe, checkered head dress, with O-ring boarded with his falcon on his shoulder.
Pia used to be one of the best in the 60s, 70s and 80s... After that mismanagement caused its downfall .
Remember they trained emirates staff and even manned their planes when first in service .
I don't know if it was shown when he was boarding, but that definitely looks like a bar when he's leaving the plane
Why didn't the guy with the broken leg move over to any of the empty middle seats? Are all the seats broken?!
Everything's broken, the aeroplane, the passengers...everything!
Yes I was wondering that. The business cabin didn't seem especially full.
Lots of love from kashmir, I think you are doing a lot of good work. Pia once was a great airline . Study history
250+ PIA pilots have dodgy licenses (Hence the EU ban) so i'm going to fly them, I love your style Noel!
So your going to fly pia I might be going this year I'm very scared
Thoroughly enjoyed your video. Sitting at home sick with the dreaded virus and living vicariously through you and your adventures! Keep up the good work!
Great video noel. Flown with pia from heathrow to lahore a few times before they got banned. Not had any problems but occasionally you get the odd one now & again 😊
Back in the day 1950s and up to 1980 PIA was like Emirates and Singapore airlines are today. Perks for employees were excellent. You have to understand PIA is a nationalised airline and given the plethora of corrupt governments, patronage to those that helped the government was rife. This led to appointments of inept, uneducated staff from Punjab and interior Sindh, their work ethic is immediately up with the word barbaric. Over time the airline was raped by staffers, management where ex management set up their own airlines and deliberately lowered the standard to make their airlines more attractive. Ghost employees were created to syphon funds and even “real” employees would not turn up, but still get paid.
To make things worse you had unions and the MQM that proved to be the final nail in the coffin. Now when the walking penis Aviation minister announces without proper figures that all pilots from Pakistan have “fake” qualifications, everyone runs a mile.
You the people of Punjab & Sindh are useless
When did they get banned? I remember seeing a PIA 777 at Birmingham last year.
30th June 2020
the crash of PK 8303 reveals some of the pilot license
u can search it further
Thanks for the answers!
www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/caa-lifts-ban-on-pia-flights-to-the-uk-24482
Ban lifted
That guy assisting you with your bag as you exited the airport only reinforced my belief that a foreigner would be scammed at every opportunity within Pakistan. Having handed him €5, he looked for more.
Hence I have absolutely no interest in ever visiting the country. Treat visitors with respect , stop trying to scam them and you may attract more visitors to your country.
As for smoking onboard, spent a lot of time travelling on Vietnam Airlines many years ago , not only would the Vietnamese pilots regularly smoke in the cockpit but the male cabin crew would also visit the cockpit regularly to smoke a cigarette. (I’d never seen any Vietnamese female smoke).
Airplanes used to stink of cigarettes.
It must be a cultural thing
i live there and i 100% agree XD
Every country tries to scam Foreign visitors
Not fair to say that. There are good and bad people in every country.
It’s the same in every city.. London has its fair share of opportunists looking to make a bit extra from naive tourists.
You have to figure it's got to be pretty bad if an airline is banned from Europe. From the US is one thing, since US regulations can be a more strict than other countries/regions, but if it's banned from Europe, that might not be a good thing from a safety standpoint. Generally airlines or flights get banned for two primary reasons -- political reasons or safety concerns. Obviously flying without a pilot's license is dangerous as I've heard that flying a commercial jet is completely different than say a personal plane or even turbo-prop even though some of the training and skillset is similar.
Is the middle seat in the middle section discounted?
PIA: according to a Pakistani I know, many people say it stands for Pain in the Arse.
Well flying with PIA is only for the bravest
I flew in PIA like 5 times already..never doing that again
I have flown with them 50 times in 6 7 years
@@f2004-r9j well u should switch your airline
@@taneyadasmandal1901 I started it with a new airline with 3 a320 about 14 years old airline named air sial
@@f2004-r9j o nice
Safe flights
You know iv had the privilege to travel many times.
But there is something about PIA its so relaxing from takeoff to landing.
Well at least the takeoff is relaxing.
i come with pia from islamabad to oslo in 2005 it was a good trip
Just curious.. was this the same Aircraft that got seized in Malayasia due to pending dues ?
PIA has 12 B777 only two of them are facing legal issues so we can't know
Curious Noel about the resort island you overflew upon leaving KL. You show it on the video as a palm tree in the water similar to Dubai and area. Do you know where that was as I can't find it by tracking along the Malaysian or Thai coasts?