@@SimplyDad They're referring to one of the screenshots you brought up. 6:10 The "Shin Megami Tensei Hell" group has some dude named William that always makes controversial shitposts or whatever. Because you used that screenshot in the video, I guess it makes your points invalid! The point was, that even if it was a "shitpost" that you featured in those screenshots, there are people that genuinely say stuff that the William dude would say, making the fanbase just look dumb. Even then, you say these are cherry picked instances and you focus on the more popular things the fanbase says. So I don't understand Frogs point besides to cherry pick something you didn't even use as a crucial point in the video.
@@ZingboyG You don't really need to play the others games. The only things you'll miss are references lore background elements. For exemple, there's no real link between Nocturne and SMT4.
dont mess with us persona 5 fans, we didnt acknowledge that the events that take place in the story are fictional and that any correlation to people or events irl are merely coincidence.
I fucking hate those messages at the beginning of games, it makes me lose all immersion I could've had. So much so that I modded my Persona 5 to remove that entirely because it pisses me off
I wish I could go back in time and grab one for cheap, right when it was slated as a failure of a console but before it was pulled off shelves. There are actually some pretty good RPGs on there, but like hell am I going to pay 250 bucks for a used handheld, before then paying another 200 bucks for all the games I'd wanna play that're going on 8+ years old.
Since you and I are a Nintendo fans (judging by the Kirby pfp) I feel we can both definitely say that this rings true in most cases. Like I don’t think many Nintendo fans play on any other games.
pretty much. specifically in persona the loud fans made my experience worse with the game ,so I just stopped the flow of hate ,negativity and circle jerk to my mind with just stop seeing it and I have much better experience on a side note nowaday the strats nerd is like the only part of the fandom I recommend ,they are pretty cool props to them
You’re totally right about that. In my experience it’s because people on both sides are idiots. Broadly speaking of course. I remember back in the day when I still used social media seeing a post from Atlus USA with a cardboard cutout of Teddie from P4. It was an innocuous post, but there were tons of SMT fanboys bitching, “Why isn’t it Jack Frost,” “You don’t care about SMT,” “This is proof they don’t care about the franchise,” blah blah blah. There’s a lot of SMT gatekeeping with little justification. “You like Persona? Then fuck you. Play a real MegaTen game.” As if that helps their cause. On the Persona side, you have the morons who sent death threats to John Hardin of Atlus USA over the voice acting and translation of P5, and the people who unironically commented on the trailer for SMT IV that “Those designs (for the demons) are stolen from Persona!” Not to mention the plethora of ignorance from people shown in this video on the Persona side. I generally like to just play the games and keep to myself, besides friends who also happen to like them. The online communities on both sides are atrocious. Personally, I started with P4 and then played all the MegaTen games, Persona or otherwise, that I could. Never found one I even dislike. It’s genuinely my favorite game series and it’s depressing as hell that the fans are all so toxic.
I like to believe that some are only into Persona purely for the story. Persona did attract a lot of visual novel fans, so you'd expect that they would not care about the gameplay from SMT.
@@TheTj334 That was definitely me originally, I went into P5 expecting a pretty decent story with decent visuals and a great story, mixed in with boring Pokemon combat. Then I got hit with the most stylish thing mankind ever made, and a surprisingly fun combat system. And while I didn't notice or care in my first playthrough, P5's story is definitely style over substance, which I'm fine with.
Because they are different. And those differences drive the SMT crowd to despair. SMT IV was a downgrade from nocturne visually and who knows when SMT V will even happen. Atlus use to produce a whole plethora of SMT games Persona being just one of. Take digital devil saga for example. Those games are replaced with persona 'dancing games' and 'beatem ups' and re-releases. Atlus (bare in mind Atlus did not make it) promised a SMT X Fire emblem game and instead delivered Persona with fire emblem cosplay. I enjoy persona 5 i think it's the best Jrpg in years and continues to be so. Persona is to SMT that Fire emblem three houses is to fire emblem. Some people really don't like spending so much time out of combat/dungeon crawling.
@Okuyasu Nijimura i am not buying that game because it is not out on my market i have money set aside for it and IMHO if it doesn't have a global launch it should not be used as a metric for determining if there is a fan base for it
Just wanna put this here since he was talking about consoles you can play Persona and SMT games on. The PS Vita has every Persona game up to Persona 4 Golden. You can get Persona 2 Eternal Punishment for 10 dollars. I know the Vita wasnt super popular but any fans of the persona series should definitely consider buying one.
Oatvoid yeah, i just got a ps vita because i was super intrested in 3/4/2/1 and yes, i still want to play P5, but i rather pay WAYYYYY less for 4 games, and EVERY SINGLE DANGANRONPA GAME
Oatvoid The PSVita actually introduced me to the Persona series through P4G lol, I haven’t been super interested in games before P3 but I got super intrigued about the series as a whole recently and really wanna experience those too Also I feel bad for the Vita, it never got much attention in the west I heard, I was all over it tho
I bought a Vita at the end of last year to play Persona 1-4 after beating P5. 5 games from a series I'm interested in plus some other old PS1 and PSP games seemed like a worthwhile reason to purchase the handheld to me. I even managed to get P4G on sale for about $7.
It’s funny that a lot of them only call the game’s hard because of what others said. Maybe they should try the games for themselves before spouting out bullshit like that
@@plinplinplon6574 Imo, SMTN isn't TOO hard, it's pretty fun because it's challenging though. P3 though, sucks in my opinion. The pacing and gameplay is a mega turn off. Persona 4 beats 3 in everyway imo. I'll still push through P3 though.. P5 and P1 also rock.
@@Bornagainvillain True. When I first played P5 it was dead hard because I found buffs and debuffs useless based on my knoledge of older RPG's such as FFIX and FFVI. Later, I got much more experienced and the game is a cake walk.
Don’t mess with persona 5 fans, they’ve watched the TH-cam lets play at least 10 times Edit: only excuse is if you can’t afford a PS4 or just don’t own one
Well now hold on, I know we're making fun of them and all, but do you really think they have the attention span to sit through a 100~ hour game 10 times? I'm honestly surprised they could do it once!
Electric Barrier As a person who started off with P5... ive done this. And im not proud hahaha. But this BreakFreePersona shit is so fucking stupid like damn
Yeah, i never wanted to interact with persona 5 fans. They are annoying twittard mostly who can't take a joke and think if you pick anyone to be your girlfriend, you are either called pedophile or groomer.
TastyXShounen personally the game franchise is older than me and I can’t get the older games, I’m also not legally allowed to buy the games so studying the games religiously and drawing art for it. Many fans can’t play the games also because of price or it not being translated to their language or don’t own the console. These are people too and even if they can’t afford it doesn’t mean they don’t like it
Half the fanbase of P5 haven't actually played P5, you can tell from just how they speak. Keep in mind, I'd put this game in my top 10 any day but damn it shows. The level of demand for P5 to be on Switch is annoying, just cause Joker is in Smash.
You can tell because the game is ridiculously popular yet only sold 3 million in a few years. Meanwhile DMC5 which is hardly mainstream and barely above being niche sold about as much in a shorter time
@@dc7981 I've played P5 vanilla at least 3 times, and I'm getting close to finishing P5 Royal. So it really shows when someone hasn't played the game at all when they're like "Goro is my babeeee" and shit like that yet he's a fucking murderer who has no remorse. Granted, I like the guy as well, but the way they display their "enjoyment" borders on creepy. It's the same for every other character, especially Makoto and Ann I've noticed. Fair enough, Persona 5 is their highest selling game yet if that's the case then why didn't the spin-offs sell as well? You'd think they'd sell decently but most of em have been a flop. PQ2 was one of the last games on the 3DS so it has an excuse but the dancing games? No reason especially when it had P3 as well.
@@abslzero Now that's an entirely different can of worms, the whole waifu/fav stuff has been going on for ages an it's just as bad as the non-playing P5 stuff.
To be fair whenever anything gets popular the fan base goes down hill because more people are into it. Did you know Kpop fans used to be more calm and fun to talk to! Yeah now it's yeah it's just "that"
I'm sick of these "my favorite game is deeper than yours" fights. It doesn't just happen here, it happens everywhere, in movies, series, anime. they look like damn kids screaming "my toy is better than yours". I played All classic smt, SMTN, Strange Journey, Devil Survivor, Persona 1, 2 and 3 Portable, and I don't need to show anyone my "good taste" in the products, feel superior to others in these things I find it pathetic. (no, it's not a response to the video, it's a response to all this eternal war between smt fans vs. persona fans)
yea tbh i just started getting into the persona series and now i just want to stop playing because of the divisive community the SMT franchise has (sorry if there are some grammar or spelling mistakes, english is not my main language and i am fucking dumb)
@@eloyandrade7962 remember what he says in the video. The community shouldn't affect the product. If you enjoy the games, you should play them. Keep an open mind and don't let the opinions of others sway you. Develop your own thoughts on the ganes
All these immature insecure fans are just so lonely in their lives and just wana feel good about themselves by defending their favorite toy... worse are those who make a video of it to spread even more hate like this crazy dude...
@@calibvr it makes it worse when the same people doing this probably won't even play p5 they ask for but when they do they'll say that they won't play any other games because they're too outdated or too hard
@@shinycharizard3761 its funny i have a friend who introduced me to persona but he has yet to play 1 and the douology. He said hell play noctune so not a major loss
My favorite people in the world are the ones with Joker profile pics saying that even though they've never played Persona 5. Some even bought Persona 5 Royal but don't own a PS4 Excuse me, what?
Homururu 🌙 used PS3 $60-150 Persona 5 $15-30. If people like this really exist it saddens me that they couldn’t pay $15 extra for their “favorite game”
It's a way to support the developer I guess. Some people buy Japanese manga even if they don't understand it just to support the author since the translated version won't help the author to not be axed
I'll never understand their "I can't buy a console for just one game!" mentality. It only takes a few seconds to google "PS4 game recommendations" and pick games to buy with it. They honestly only want Persona 5 because it's popular, and I'm saying this as someone who actually played and enjoyed the game.
It's why I follow the number one rule when it comes into getting into games never ever follow or interact with a fanbase. Individual fans who seem cool and I know in IRL, sure but never on the internet land of pettyness and toxic behavior.
@@TheMetastasia As a long time SMT franchise fan, I must agree. I've seen the series through since it's days on the PS2 era via SMT 3 Nocturne and even delved into some of the older games at some point. I've also seen the Persona franchise through from it's infancy to it's current status as a mainstream Juggernaut. I must say... The moment the floodgates were opened, it really put a strain on the series in terms of integrity. Too many infantile weirdos have formed a (as you stated) cult-like obsession with the games. It's disturbing..
i like that the games get their recognition and the game is great but i hate how whiny the newer fanbase are i get that a lot of them are new to megami tensei series but jesus i hate the complaining about mementos, its an RPG you NEED to grind a little to get better
@@ecos889 Same, any series or franchise I actually care about I make sure not to interact with it's fanbase online because it gets toxic. I just like the game man that's all but people be having essays online on the internet lol
While I don’t entirely agree with your opinion on P3-4-5, I cannot really disagree with your opinion on the western fans. The whole hashtag thing was pretty stupid
I like persona 5 but everything you said is 100% correct, especially your criticisms of the writing. I love the social link mechanic of the persona games but the writing is only meh in 5, the style compensates for it and hides it but so many of the themes are so 2D compared to p3/4 (haven’t played 1/2) and especially compared to other smt games.
Yup, Persona 5 completely dropped the ball on its writing especially in the main plot. Even compared to the other neo-sona games. Persona 3 was about the inevitability of death and mortality but still wanting to move forward with life regardless. Persona 4 was about the shadow that everyone hides inside themselves, the personality that we don't show to others and the "mask" that we wear around other people. Persona 5's story is... adults bad?
@@kyrusxi I think youre my overexaggerating, P5 isn't just adults bad, it's about freedom and carving your own path in society, being yourself pretty much, that's how I see it
@@kostasspirou1010 But that message is undercut by the simple fact they aren't adults, they haven't felt the crushing reality of adulthood. What path can they create when they haven't truly had to make a living? It's overly idealistic to the point of being unrealistic.
It’s pretty annoying to know that they have a gold mine of untranslated japan exclusive retro games just waiting to be “discovered”. I mean, I would gladly pay for a remaster of the original devil summoner, just because of how stylish the box art looks, instead they want to shit out an endless stream of persona spin offs, and rereleases until the end of times
To be fair games like SMT if and the Original Devil Summoner are actually persona 3 levels of bad and dated. We’re not losing much with them not being around.
Simply Dad I get that they are dated and clumsy, but not necessarily bad, and comparing the issues to P3 doesn’t make much sense, since it improved a lot of the aspects that it shares with those games. But just because they were clumsy and worse than the more some of the modern ones doesn’t mean that they aren’t still good games, or that a remaster or just a rerelease wouldn’t be doing too much, since they could introduce fans to the roots of the franchises
@@SimplyDad Still man, it's megaten and the games overall are all good, including P3. The only smt game I played that made me think "**** this shit" was Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei in some freaking annoying dungeons while dropping levels, because apparently some demons did that back in the day, and some parts look more like an horror story then a dungeon. But yeah, every Megaten game I know is worth it, what am I gonna play? Animal Crossing? It's also good, but come on, give me some of that old SMT if action...
Because Atlus doesn't care much about SMT. (Including 1 and 2) Just look at the dancing games: Persona 3 came out in like, what 2007 and they still milk it. Persona brings them the most money and I understand that, but if they just focus on remaking other games like Nocturne, P1, and P2, etc they'd make a lot of money.
Compare Persona fans begging for Switch ports with the Yakuza/RGG fanbase’s responde to an interest survey. It was a concentrated push from fans on the survey showing their genuine love and interest in the series that actually caught SEGA JPN’s eye and got us multiple games ported over when Yakuza was struggling in its introduction! The localization team and the actual Yakuza devs THEMSELVES attributed the revival of the franchise towards the fun memes shared like “alone on Friday night? just remember these Yakuza”. It was all done for a love of the series without obsession or annoyance, and it actually got the older, less accessible games to get entire REMAKES with bonus content and polished gameplay/cutscenes. You can meme a franchise back to life, just don’t harass developers, don’t force things from others, and instead perpetuate a fun love for what you want to see cultivated.
It sucks how like 80% of the community either didn't even play the game or only like the game because of the "waifus". I played the game and it deserves to be noticed for its story and more important things rather than the stupid waifu stuff etc. I love persona 5 put the fanbase ruins the game. It puts such a bad impression on it and I hate it. People aren't seeing persona 5 for what it really is.
Same with every rockstar games every. gta and bully have some of great story's but then you got the fact R* never gives dlc and the community never pay attention to the story. Gta sa is great story but it's the cheats gameplay and people who never played them are what get the light of day.
@@Himmyjewett people really need to stop doing that, I hope some of these people get to realize how much of the story they ignored. Honestly, game communities suck in general..
@@artlove1007 It's mostly because, (at least in my opinion), Phan-Site constantly shill Persona to the extent that it becomes incredibly annoying especially with all the #MitsuruMonday or similar hashtags. It's as if they think Persona is some niche series, which with how Joker is received, is not the case. Another factor is they put up a facade, (or a persona if you will), to seem like they really care about the other games but really it's just Persona 3, 4, and 5. Lastly, they also did participate in calling for "fans" to port beg Persona 5 on another system through a Japanese survey. I don't hate the guy personally, but he's just such a huge shill to the point of annoyance. Sorry for the wall of text. TL;DR Phan-Site shills too much.
People automatically assume he's an elitist simply because he has a big account, but in reality he tries his hardest to make the community as wholesome as possible.
To be fair, the social aspect of the third one was implemented the best and made more sense, since it was about how connections with people can help you discover who you are as a person, and it shows you how people deal with grief and apathy (the themes of the game). The contrast between the grim dark setting of the Dark Hour and the relaxed happy times in the day. It was better written overall.
I disagree it was better written overall (and I started with P3). The characters, especially in the first half or so, barely have any qualities that differentiate them from one another. They all react basically the same to situations save maybe Junpei and Hikari (although in Hikari's case, she just *personally* annoyed me). They basically go through the motions of the plot. The latter parts of the game get better, we see their motivations at least even if they are all still very serious and lacking in personality. i think that is my biggest gripe: that lack of personality. They are all a very similar archetype with just different backstories. A game can be dark without every character on the edge of brooding. This is why I heavily disagree with the first couple of minutes of this video. I personally have never known people to all be very serious and edgy, I used to hang out with a very colorful and diverse group of people and so the casts and themes of the latter two games feel much more genuine. Relatability is personal. Just because he cannot relate does not mean others do not.
@@PathBeyondTheDark who the fuck is Hikari? They don't "act edgy" and also don't compare them to your friends cuz your friends and you have never experienced dark hours or shadows lmao. They also don't have similar personalities, what are you on about? And of course they are gonna be serious, why the fuck would u joke around when the world is ending? Did you play the game or did you skim through a let's play walkthrough on youtube?
@@martyvenkman860 I played it at least 3 times, lmao, including P3P once. Getting so wound up over... what exactly? An opinion? Meant Yukari, it's been almost a decade, it's called memory decay. Are you being serious about people's reactions... I mean we are in a fucking pandemic, hundreds of thousands dead, and people are still joking and laughing as if nothing is happening. In addition, more people lack basic, *basic* human rights then have them in this world yet we live in blissful ignorance. People find a way to cope, and one of the best ways is through enjoyment, escapism, whatever it may be. It is what we are best at. So no, most would not be serious 100% of the time, they would find ways of coping just as people always have - that is not realistic. Your response is honestly disingenuous at best, ignorant af at worst.
with your comments about Futaba, maybe I'm some weirdo but I have been diagnosed with anxiety and when I'm with close friends I'm quipy, I get anxious when talking to people I don't know, so it isn't unrealistic for Futaba to act like she does around close friends
@DarkSonic180 well I mean in the metaverse it is not like real life..they are shadows..not real people. its almost like a game for her she can be in her comfort zone..her persona is basically a hacker lol
@@sundowner4076 of course I do considering i'm an introvert, of course our act more extroverted around my friends and family because I feel comfortable around them. Also sorry for asking but what exactly are you trying to make as your point
I think the man in the video’s point was that these characters issues aren’t actually explored and instead are just used as a way to pretend to be mature.
I'll be honest, I really like Persona 5 (my personal favorite JRPG of this console generation) but I genuinely think when it comes to the cast and story, it's weak compared to Persona 3. Also the people begging for Persona 5 on Switch are annoying as hell. I mean Shin Megami Tensei 5 is gonna happen at some point and I really want news on that game.
StaticShock42 I think the issue is the Smash Bros folks who probably only got exposed to Persona 5 due to it, and well, the Smash fanbase is another whole cesspool or can or worms (to say without being rude). And of course there's the fact that in general most Persona fans nowadays don't even know Shin Megami Tensei even exists, so from our perspective the begging for P5 is worse to us.
Honestly my opinion they took the lesser of two evils from both Persona 3 and 4, with Persona 3 mixed bag of characters and Persona 4 predictable story and decide to say "you know what let's put this into a video game and see what happens with pretty graphics" Although the predictable story and mixed bag of characters doesn't make it a bad game, at times the story will be strong and also the characters but at the end of times you'll feel like there's a very weak links compared to Persona 4 very strong characters and Persona 3 very strong story
@@philipboes1100 I've always said this about Persona 3, 4 and 5. 3 has the best story, 4 has the best cast, and 5 has the best gameplay and dungeon design. Music I love all 3 equally.
I feel as if most persona fans dont even bother to think about that shit and instead care more about the "waifus" or the childish af moments instead of what the story is trying to present.
@@glubinsnub2772 it's OK to have favourites but these people just accuse others of paedophilia if they date Kasumi or Futaba, which is fucking insane idk who hurt these people
I would buy p5 on switch if it ever came out. That does not mean that I will beg atlus to port it over. I mean we switch owners will get smt 5 and both ps4 and switch owners are getting an HD remaster of nocturne.
it’s my favourite game in the series. it’s characters, story and gameplay is very good but jesus fuck i wish i never played the game so i don’t have to be considered a part of the fanbase
The "toxic fanbase" argument is dumb as shit. Every game has a toxic fanbase, including Undertale (and that game whole thing was about positivity). It's dumb to use it in the first place. Also, critics of P5 and P5R have never touched the game for all the shit they give to others.
That’s fine if you like it. I like it too. But there’s also nothing wrong about being aware, told, or having a debate over its flaws. It’s not a perfect creation, after all. No creation is perfect, especially at the beginning, but they do develop and should develop to become the best version of themselves. When you become self-aware about your flaws, your creation’s flaws, or another creation’s flaws, then that’s the first step into making improvements on them and yourself.
I think quite a few of your thoughts are spot-on, but there are also some I disagree with. I particularly don’t think the argument that Persona 5 Scramble selling badly on Switch showcases a lack of interest for Persona among Switch fans. Scramble is set after the main game of P5, essentially making it a direct follow-up to the game. If you have not played P5, like people who only own a Switch, you are likely not going to want to start with the direct sequel/follow-up. If you have played P5, however, there’s a good likelyhood that you already own a PS4. Scramble is aimed at people who have already played P5, with a majority of them being PS4 owners. Essentially, the only ones who has a choice between the Switch or PS4 version of Scramble are likely people who already own both consoles. It’s a wonder that Scramble sold as well as it has on Switch given these circumstances. I also think you are painting an entire fanbase with broad strokes. Given that P5 is so new and so massively popular, it attracts many new obnoxious fans. However, as you’ve said yourself, they are a vocal minority, but the sheer number of these people make out most of the fanbase to be bad when it’s really only a segment of the entire group as a whole. Shin Megami Tensei is an older, more niche and dormant franchise, meaning that the fans who still stick with it despite its age are likely to have talked about everything and are likely to have a much smaller vocal minority of morons. Because of the smaller vocal minority, you see the fanbase as being cooler and more chill, which it is. The Persona 3-5 fans who are cool and chill exist as well, but they are being drowned out and associated with the moronic vocal minority that is incredibly large because the franchise is hitting a point of having a major influx of new fans. I think the reason that a majority of these new fans want P3-P5 ports but not the older games is because the older games are seen as being too radically different from the games that newer fans fell in love with. A lot of P3-P5 fans really like the social sim simulator parts of the games, and hearing that the older games don’t feature that could be a potential turn off. Like, fans of the Batman comic books might like the gritty and more serious tone of more modern comics and actively avoid Silver Age stories because it doesn’t feature the stuff they like. Atlus has also actively marketed P3-P5 in recent years, including the P3 and P4 characters in the newer fighting games and PQ+PQ2, keeping the characters from thise games relevant and active even now while the Pre-P3 characters have been almost left entirely in the dust, only having minor allusions to them in optional dialogue in P5. Atlus isn’t trying to market the first three games and refuses to give them good ports to modern consoles, so I don’t really blame the P3-P5 crowd for only saying they want ports of the newer games. And, I mean, if they won’t even rerelease the 2012 P4G to modern hardware, I don’t think anyone has any illusions that the three first games are going to be given a rerelease before they rerelease the modern three games first, so it seems futile to even call for the first three games to be released first. Even though I agree the older games defintely needs rereleases too.
@@Phantom-kc9ly Yeah, they can stand alone, but most people would probably still like to get introduced to the characters in their original game along with the original context. It's like saying that you can watch something like Avatar: The Legend of Korra before watching Avatar: The Last Airbender. In both them and with P5-P5S, he sequel spin-off is so entrenched and so heavily involved with the prequel that watching the sequel first can ruin twists and mysteries from the prequel. Even using google to look up things on the sequel can result in you inadvertently spoiling yourself, and thus people might be scared to look things up. Another example is something like Harry Potter. The Fantastic Beast movies are spin off prequels to the original 7 HP movies, but nobody would recommend you start with the Beast movies first as they aren't made to serve as an introduction to the world of Harry Potter. Sure, you could watch them first, but you would miss an incredible amount of context for how the world and magic works. You could pick up on context and try to figure things out stand-alone, or you might just feel it would be better off starting with the original HP movies. Persona 5 and its spin-offs really don't work very differently.
@@ventrustwestwind6127 I don't give a fuck what they want. There are no returning characters. Igor is a gameplay mechanic. Korra is significantly worse than Avatar so of course I recommend watching it first. Also few to no returning characters. Anyone that just doesn't know these things arent fans of the series and I don't give a fuck what their excuse is. They can consume the same shit we did or they can do something else.
@@Phantom-kc9ly I'm just say this P5S is the first Persona spin off the requires you to have played the first game first to understand the story as a whole
Although I really love persona, older games but especially 3, 4, and 5, I somehow can still enjoy watching you shit on and tear it apart even if I disagree with some of what you say Also bloody destiny ain't bad, but I do think some songs in the original are way better than the ones that replaced them
NiLink NoLa Yeah, on the subject of the Persona PSP OST, i think the bigger issue is that the original soundtrack was about 90 tracks (by 3 composers), and the PSP version is only about 35, so tons of track got cut and had no replacement at all.
I'm one of those people who played the newer Persona games and never really bothered to look into the older ones, but I can still recognise that they're good games that mean a lot to a lot of people. And if they were more easily accessible, I'd absolutely want to give them a try, _because_ I know that a lot of people love them. Persona fans will really just never play a game but still assume it's a waste of time, huh?
Oh man, I sure hope you feel better about yourself, I mean, just downloading a emulator from web and getting the game from web (can also be free!) is not accessible enough, you are excused for not playing older persona games.
The breaking point for me with the break free hashtag is when atlus announced the smt 3 remastered and smt 5 they went full on attacking atlus for nothing about persona. I lost when they did that.
Smash Is not an Awesome Game but 1/5 of the community is toxic. There is literally those idiots who want a P5 on switch when us non toxic people don't care for the Game being ported. We play our game and have fun.
"uhhhhh p5s sold badly on the switch!!!" Yeah, no shit, gamers don't usually buy spinoffs to games that aren't on their console or platform of choice lol
Nothing will reach the amount of cringe the fnaf fandom was on 2016. Bro i didn’t even like fnaf but music videos of those fucking animatronics kept popping up Jesus
Nah persona fanbase in general is just like...that.... I mean take a look at some videos and you will find a fucking ship war or something Like dude, why?
@@Astroyune "conotation" is not "meaning". They mean the same thing; "Somthing old". Thier connotations are different however. "Outdated" can be used to imply the speaker thinks negatively of old things, because it has a negative connotation. "Old school" can be used to imply the speaker think more positly of old things, because it has a positive connotation. However, they are both used to refer to the old. So thier meaning would essentially be the same.
I truly believe there is always little toxic fanbase in a larger fanbase in any kind of media. I like the games in the Persona franchise; granted I've haven't played Persona 1, 2 Innocent Sin, and 2 Eternal Punishment or even the the rest of the MegaTen games, but I like the games I've played and that's just my opinion. There's always a group of people who will keep asking the company to do this or do that, or even send them threats. For example, the recent death threats and harassment that Sakurai was experiencing because of Byleth being announced. Some people in a fanbase are legit toxic while other people in the same fanbase are just there to talk about the game and have fun. That's just my opinion on this matter. Edit: I'm currently getting into the Persona 2 Duology, and I like it so far!
I dont really like p2 because of the combat system, idk why but when the tutorial battle gives me an essay on how everything works i just cant read the entire essay and then dies at the first battle because i dont know how stuff works especially with fusion skills
Want: Smt 5, A new Trauma Center, Devil survivor 3, a new Raidou game, Project Re Fantasy. An actual p2 remake, and everything mentioned in 12:42 - 13:12 Get: Persona dancing
>an actual remake I'm not sure. I definitely don't trust modern Atlus with a P3 remake, but P2's gameplay is so bad that even they really might be able to improve it. I'd be very concerned about what other additions they'd make though.
idk about Devil Survivor 3. I don't know if the 3ds remake helped it but, uh... devil survivor 2 was, uh... not good. I don't know I would trust Atlus to do DeSu3.
Atlus has never confirmed nor deconfirmed that Persona is a PS exclusive. I mean you could practically say that they're trying to pull away from the Playstation exclusivity these days, with P5R and P4G being ported to PC, and P5S being on Switch and PC as well
@@CatManThree Such detail doesn't say much though, the game gets a switch release and suddenly he's playing with switch or a PC release and suddenly he has an İOS or Android phone.
@RageGetBest Thats not really entirely why persona 5 is popular though. The social sim mechanics actually play a bigger role in combat and dungeon exploration in p5 than in 3 or 4. The social sim mechanics also serve as downtime between focusing on combat in dungeons. There's also its music (amazing as always from SMT) and visual ascetic. If you were to say this maybe about persona 4 with it having little focus on combat and dungeon exploration, mostly a focus on its social sim elements instead, I'd kind of agree. However this is 5 we are talking about.
@@CJojo_13_ ive watched that video twice today. plus the phansite call out video from "snicketys dirty laundry" from 9 months ago. the downfall of this scumbag made my day lol
@@PathBeyondTheDark Phan-Site was a Twitter user (I used "was" because his account no longer exists) who was considered the "face of Persona" on Twitter (according to himself lol) and pretended to be a friendly person; however, he was instead a piece of shit who harassed other users and recently threatened via voicemail to murder another Twitter user.
@@shelly8563 honestly I do buy consoles for 1 game then end up playing many other games. look when SMT 5 comes out you're really gonna regret the decision due to how Switches are being scalped.
Here is the Persona community: P5 Fans - They're not fans of Persona, they're fans of Persona 5. P4 Fans - They call Persona 4 the best Persona but not because it's the best but because its their first Persona. P3 Fans - Dislike Persona 4 fans because of how much less depressing the game is. P2 Fans - Tries to get into every conversation and talk about how GREAT Persona 2 story is even tho they've only watched playthroughs on TH-cam. P1 Fans - What's a P1? Persona Fans - The fans who hate all of these fans and just wanna talk and play Persona.
@Jay Park sure, almost as easy as P5, except the insanely high enemy encounter rate, way slower battle flow (not a real problem but i have to say it), over exaggerated numbers of stores available which half of them you don't even need to visit, enemies with 3 fucking personalities at the same time (again not a real problem) and the analyze box of the enemies who looks more like a bank statement than anything else
@@exiist.mp4 no no it has definitely gotten worse when they found out about it. It was bad before but when he got revealed in smash, it got even worse. Like the constant bullshit I see where people say "PErSoNA 3 hAs tHe bEsT sToRy PErSoNa 4 HAs thE BeST cHaRaCtERs pERsOnA 5 hAs ThE bESt gAmEplAy."
@@MsMotoko2 well made spirites look better than 3d and there still modern way to use spirites like how some Indies games do and they look amazing. And the sprites keep the spirit of the game. And the games was made before I was born
@@matabishippuden6965 lmao Akechi is garbage. He killed dozens of innocents because daddy issues, yet we have to empathized and understand him. Adachi is waaaaaaaaaay better.
@@mr.averageguy202 alright I'm gon be honest with you. I kinda only said akechi because his mask is cool as fuck. Ryuji though is legitimately good although he is still a worse version of eikichi.
I’m gonna go and say that at the very minimum, P4 cast is technically more human than the Thieves. It really hurts coming from a guy who loves P2EP&P3 the most.
But that's because P4 it's about finding the truth, and fighting your dark side. P5 is more like "Muh, society is bad, let's kick these stupid adults asses". Also, P5 have many more villains, and all of them are generic. P4 has Adachi, and omg, that guy is an awesome villain, realistic and understandable.
The story in P4 was pretty lighthearted in the end of the day, and the game in general focused on that tone and the finding your own self part, while in P3 they focused more on the theme of death in a more doom and gloom tone, with tartarus being this world altering threat, which not only gave the threat in P3 a lot of weight, it also made both games pretty memorable and different, while P5 tried to have both the themes of finding your true self, and putting a lot of weight on the villains, which made both parts of the themes in the game pretty shallow
@@ratinholimpinho3285 exactly, also, P5 tries to talk a lot about justice and rebelion, but in my opinion it's a really one-sided one, I hope the game get a bit better with royal, gonna play the game because SMT and Persona are both my favorite franchise, but I don't have many expectations to be honest.
I think the problem is that none of the Phantom Thieves get much time to develop. Even in their own S. Links, you don't learn much about them. They don't feel like actual friends, they feel like coworkers or something. I feel like Joker has no interest in his friends even more so than Minato/Makoto/Whatever from Persona 3
@@frogglen6350 but it's not like anyone actually remembered that untill the end was closing in. like dude i kinda just forgot why i kept jumping in a tv because hanging out with friends and saving people made me forget how this even started.
There are 3 tiers of Persona fans. -Chill guys who want to introduce others to the series, -the BreakFreePersona crew, Portbeggars, Hardcore Makoto stans, The boy(s) who cried Pedo, Pedos in and of themselves, etc. -the entirety of r/OkBuddyPersona BONUS- "This is my favorite game, and I'm so excited to play it for the first time."
Don't ya think it's kind of disturbing that adult male p5 fans sexualize cartoon teen girls, at the very least it's pedo adjacent, not someone you would wanna leave alone with your daughter or niece
You know what’s funny. The people who spam this always have never actually played the game and always mains Joker in smash. Like Switch fans are the most entitled fan base. You don’t see PlayStation fans begging for Mario....
I think exclusives are fucking stupid and in a better world we wouldn't have to buy a wholly different expensive console just to play that one game we'd like to play from that console, but the problem won't be solved by whining to one specific company to put one specific game on one specific console
Speaking as a fan who got into the MegaTen franchise because of Persona 3 FES, I love (almost) all of the games. The reason is likely because I tend to stay away from fandoms (literally any fandom) as much as possible. Persona tends to tell their stories more about people who are still developing themselves and it lets some people have a relatively mature story at an easier to understand level. SMT tends to tell bigger, more overarching stories that don't have as much time for the characters to have that sense of self-discovery in them (I've not played Digital Devil Saga yet, but they seem closest to being opposed to this point). For the record, my favorite games being Personas 3, 2IS (still working on EP), and 5, as well as Devil Survivor and Nocturne. I also have played Persona 4, Devil Survivor 2, both of the Raidou Kuzunoha games, SMTIV and some of SMT Online: Imagine while it was still a thing. TLDR: Persona and SMT are both great but for different reasons. I love the MegaTen franchise and want more of it.
I told a dude I missed the mature, plot heavy games of P1 & 2 since I was getting into more mature and philosophical media. He told me along the lines of," I don't lol. P5 is better than both 1 &2. Cope and seethe loser lol". I think I won that argument if it was one.
@@pixelpenguin0732 yeah replaying p5 cause i wanna plat it before i get p5 royal. Finishing up 3 and 4, didnt really get into 1 and 2, but will soon. And currently fighting Dante in Nocturne
@@Violent_Wolfen Nintendo pays other company IP to include their characters to their games, what makes you think this is to promote other company IP? are nintendo doing charity work now giving out money to advertise other company product? ofcourse its the other way around, its to bring Persona fans to play smash. the same applies to other IP as well.
Was looking for this Literally at ANY TIME you're not in the middle of some stort event you can just drop everything and grind away as much as you'd like Also, saying DeSu is hard when you literally just gotta raise magic and/or spam Mystic Dance I seriously doubt this persona played Devil Survivor past its introduction
Agree. Him not liking P5 is his opinion, to which he's entitled to. Hell, I love P5 and I have to agree that there's a lot of dumb stuff thrown in there, as well as a few plot holes. The part about port beggers being toxic as shit was just straight up facts though, especially when the numbers tell a completely different story (i.e. the low sales for P5 Scramble on the Switch).
The easiest way to figure out if any P5 fans actually played the game is if they compare Anonymous to the Phantom Thieves. Unless you didn't play the game, you'd know that Anonymous IS (technically) one of the "enemies" you fight in the form of Medjed. Great video, dad, earned yourself a new sub.
lmao that was a great arc. I remember ryuji was like "We were stressed about a bunch of noobs when you were the real medjed the whole time Futaba, WHAT THE HELL"
@@wombochrombo3610 to be fair that's only two games, Edelgard exists, and my point was that now Persona fans hate Persona the most, being the fanbase that took that away from FE
@@Vengarlhoodmoments I wouldn't say that Persona 3 or 4 are considered "normie" games at this point, especially not 3. 5 fits that description more IMO
I’m gonna be honest, I really love Persona 3, 4, and 5, but I’ll still be the first person to tell you that the Persona fandom is some of the worst on the internet right now. Second only to Nintendo fans.
Nintendo and Pokémon fans are unmatched when it comes to being trashy. Leave it to them to defend literally every awful design decision their company makes.
Funniest thing about the persona fandom is that they actually pushed me TOWARDS mainline by being so cringe and toxic. i started with 3 then 4 and by the time 5 was about to drop i had lost all interest and jumped into smt iv instead. which after playing p5, was a better use of my time tbh. I think 5 might be the most shallow jrpg i've played in a while
same bruh. I remember doing a rp and this one dude was being toxic and Cringy. It was up to the point where I want to outbranch and appreciate other titles like P1 and smt 3
As someone who has enjoyed Overwatch, Steven Universe, Rick and Morty, etc. let me tell ya... the "fanbase" you see on Twitter is not worth your time. Twitter is the absolute worst place to look for a representation of a fanbase, the people there are usually just trying to find something to complain about under some kind of mob mentality. Do I think the reaction on Twitter is obnoxious and overblown? Yes. I still, however, would be happy if P5 was on Switch. Also, not that I'm against the idea, but saying they should port the older games instead of porting P5 is pretty absurd. The older games can be played pretty easily through emulation, either on your phone or on PC. That's not the case however with P5. Not only that, but P5 has been their most financially successful game to date... why would they not prioritize that over older, more niche titles? Regardless, I would be happy with ANY ports to ANY platform, because at the end of the day I just want these great games to be enjoyed by as many people as possible.
@ً "bruh, you have different taste than mine? Cringe, shame on you" -You Why can't you let people like what they like, everyone has "guilty pleasures" and unironically liking something generally considered bad by most people doesn't make you stupid or inferior.
I have played nearly every ATLUS SMT series game. Yes, the "P3-5 only" fans are a not the best. But seriously, I live in South Korea. Try liking K-pop and ever trying to have a "normal" conversation with Western KPOP fans... not gonna happen...
My experiences when seeing the kpop stans on the west are obnoxious as hell but when i take a look at some kpop groups on discord they are pretty chill only twitter stans are obnoxious
@@abslzero i know right, they would literally ruin your life if you like someone they dont like, and theyre proud of it too, theyre all over tiktok saying "oMg wErE sOoOoOoOoo pOwErFuL dO noT mEsS wiTh uS!!!" imagine being petty and being proud of it, this is why i left the Kpop fandom smh.
Nothing wrong with people liking a game and wanting it to be more available. You criticize the creator of the hashtag, as far as calling them a loser, which makes you no better than the fans you criticize. Your demeanor towards the topic is hypocritical for the message you're attempting to convey
I’m just glad to finally see someone call out this “break free persona” movement online. Every time Atlus posts something the first comment is always “yeah cool but how about P5 on switch”. For example when they announced Catherine on switch literally every comment was asking for P5 instead. Mainline Persona games have always been a PlayStation exclusive and will most likely remain an exclusive series for the PS consoles. If you want to support Atlus they have plenty of other amazing games that ARE exclusive for Nintendo consoles.
I just dont like the exclusivity nonsense. smt v should be on ps4 and p5 should be on switch. It would actually be pretty cool if they do a full body with p5r and release it on switch in a year with all dlc (its the only way I'm gonna buy p5r lol) the persona and smt teams aren't the same so idk why ppl are acting like porting p5r would halt progress on smt v or something But yea there are a lot of fans who act like atlus is doing fuck all with Nintendo consoles when the best mainline game smt 4 is a Nintendo exclusive (still can't decide if i like nocturne more lol) and smt 5 and stuff. I honestly think a full hd mainline game after the release of persona 5 with full effort into it is gonna change a lot between the megami tensei fans and the ppl who have only played (or watched) p5 and a lot of people are gonna get into mainline from it. I think a good amount of ppl don't wanna play iv or iva cuz they see them as inferior due to being on the 3ds and nocturne is too outdated and doesnt hold up. but when smt v releases its gonna be the shiny new game and that point p5 will be like half a decade old.
Yeah I have no idea why Atlus would make their two most popular franchises on separate consoles lmao The fans that act like that honestly confuse me. They say that they don’t want to play the 3DS SMT games because they’re outdated but they’re also the ones asking for ports of P3 and P4. I love Persona 3 but the battle system for it is so outdated (Sure, they could do a port for P3P for the improved battle mechanics but then that version reduces the game to a visual novel. Then there’s the whole issue with the femc lmao) As for a P5R port, the Persona team is most likely working on the next P5 spin-off but if Scramble was on switch then I don’t see why the next spinoff wouldn’t be on it as well? Yeah it wouldn’t be mainline but it’s better than nothing. Plus there is always SMT V to look forward to if Atlus ever decides to actually give us some more news... Honestly if Atlus was going to port any games to the switch I think the SMT franchise deserves it more than Persona. The franchise never got proper treatment outside of Japan and I’m sure a lot of people would be interested in a collection. I would actually buy a switch if it meant I could play every SMT game on the one console
While I do think the trend is a bit much, I wouldn’t call this people “fake fans” of P5 because many of them don’t have PlayStations. Which is why they want it on the switch to experience the game and have the opportunity to become a true fan of Persona and may start buying the spinoffs or SMT games. That’s the reason why I haven’t bought any of this games, I only have Xbox one and Switch, so I can’t any of this games. At least until SMTV releases in 2040.
Biggest Fan I think the problem is PS4 fanboys have this lower class view of the Switch for some strange reason. However, PS4 fans review bombing Astral Chain, and now Animal Crossing, isn't really much different from toxic Persona 5 fans demanding a port to the Switch. Both sides are acting like spoiled children, but both fanbases also have great people, capable of acting like actual adults as well. I'm personally a Switch fan myself, as that's more my style, but I love the Persona series, and am now getting into the mainline SMT games.
@@theblindtechguy I mean yeah, for example just look at the fact that, while they're much rarer than the Persona ones, there are some decently toxic SMT V port beggars complaining about the fact that the game will not be on the PS4/5
I really enjoy the story and when I call myself a fan of something I usually refer to the story because I cant play a game without a good one and as a broke teenager who cant get a job because of the virus its kinda closed minded not to see why people may want ports as in they cant afford said console.
The fact that there's such a hard divide between the persona and smt fans is cringe alone. I personally just want the dungeon crawling elements. I found myself skipping most of the dialogue in P4 and 5 to just play in the dungeons or mementos.
P4's dialogue and characters (at least in the vanilla version) were at least less vomit-inducing than P5/P5R's cookie cutter anime trope characters. I finished vanilla P5 on the PS3 and am slogging through P5R right now, I can't stand the way most of these characters behave most of the time. Playing Ghost of Tsushima and Witcher 3 along alongside P5R really shows how much of a joke the game is overall in terms of character and writing.
@General Jiggler You know.. I can't (completely) disagree with you there. Though with P3 at least they still had some semblance of being relatable human beings in the manner they behaved. P4 was treading the line, P4 Golden went completely down the anime route, then P5 / P5R just went downhill even further. I fear for the future of Persona if P5 and P5R are anything to go by in terms of the direction they're taking.
@@KamenRider1 out of those three P3 has the most realistic characters while P5 (i cant comment on P4/P4G because i havent played it yet) i just cant really relate to them maybe only one or two characters and oh my god Kasumi kinda pissed me off
Haha Persona 5 for the Switch. Imagine Shin Megami Tensei V being confirmed for the Swi... oh, right. SMT V was going to come out for the Switch. Unlucky
NiLink NoLa The Japanese CERO ratings are suspended at the time of this comment because of the demonetized (hey that sounds like demon, and this is a series about demons ha), so even if they are at a decent point in development, we still won't see anything until next year. Yeah this sucks.
As a mainline Shin Megami Tensei fan, I love Persona 1, 2, 3 & 4...However I really have a grudge towards Persona 5 and really it's annoying fans are particularly the reason (plus the fact I find the game overrated, even among other Persona games) What I appreciate about Shin Megami Tensei is a multitude of things. It's messages are more complex and speak on more fundamental topics than Persona can even muster to talk about. I respect Persona and it's atmosphere, but it won't come close to what SMT presents (if you ask me)
not helping by being this way lmfao sitting on top of some high horse just because you prefer X over Y is exactly why we get called elitist for liking SMT to begin with. (Which this video seemingly fails to acknowledge is also a problem within the smt / persona discourse, because of course not. that wouldnt really fit the narrative of victimizing SMT fans, would it? Both sides should be held accountable😒) saying things like "X could never come close to Y" is just so condescending and obnoxious. Then we sit back and wonder why neoPersona fans have a hard time getting into mainline games yet we say shit like this lmfao
@@justsomeguy727 "High Horse" >Praises Persona 1-4 and even acknowledges it's good in it's own right Legit shut up because nobody asked you, I was giving my opinion and not remotely treating SMT as objectively better than Persona. You must be one of those salty Persona 5 fanatics because literally no other reason would you have to respond to my comment in such a manner to where it comes off as salty Additionally, there is no narrative that's being twisted, that genuinely just is the case. SMT fans as a whole have been screwed by Atlus in favor of Atlus milking Persona and you act like that doesn't strike a nerve when for the longest, SMT has been the series that kept Atlus afloat and they don't even give it just as much respect as Persona. Again, this isn't about narratives, look at the facts, Atlus cares more about a side series than the mainline and reasonably speaking, SMT fans are a bit annoyed
I don't like Persona 5's fans, in fact I kept myself unaware of their existence due to knowing how mainstream Persona 5 is, when I found out how stupid they were, it made me grateful I had ignored them.
apparently my video bout persona fans being annoying aged poorly bcz the games are now out for the switch 😭😭😭 that makes y’all not annoying
Thanks, dad
Hi dad, wheres mum?
How's da discord server doing?
What
@@SimplyDad They're referring to one of the screenshots you brought up. 6:10 The "Shin Megami Tensei Hell" group has some dude named William that always makes controversial shitposts or whatever.
Because you used that screenshot in the video, I guess it makes your points invalid!
The point was, that even if it was a "shitpost" that you featured in those screenshots, there are people that genuinely say stuff that the William dude would say, making the fanbase just look dumb. Even then, you say these are cherry picked instances and you focus on the more popular things the fanbase says.
So I don't understand Frogs point besides to cherry pick something you didn't even use as a crucial point in the video.
Persona fans: we want our game on switch
Smt fans: we want our game
Edit:this didn't age well
I actually want to play the SMT games before but not sure how
@@ZingboyG Atlus needs to translate and release them on modern platforms so their fans can actually play them
@@ZingboyG You don't really need to play the others games. The only things you'll miss are references lore background elements. For exemple, there's no real link between Nocturne and SMT4.
Nihil Ego they really need to port nocturne to anything else rn
I find it funny Persona got the number "5" before SMT
dont mess with us persona 5 fans, we didnt acknowledge that the events that take place in the story are fictional and that any correlation to people or events irl are merely coincidence.
Facts
We want our persona 5 Rhythm Heaven in PC.
That's cause y'all probably didn't sign the contract in-game but instead watch the Anime
I fucking hate those messages at the beginning of games, it makes me lose all immersion I could've had. So much so that I modded my Persona 5 to remove that entirely because it pisses me off
@@undertonesone7378 thats kind of a stupid point to take you out of the immersion even if the game hasnt even started
Y’all better not mess with us P5 fans, we read the story on Wikipedia.
Get on my level I read the whole story on twitter
I looked at a bunch of screenshots for the game and assumed what happened
Oh yeah? Jokes on you, I’ve only seen the cutscenes
I read the story in my coffee and I don't even drink coffee
Amateurs. I watched the joker reveal and pretended I was hype for years to get joker in smash.
Don't beat your girlfriend is the equivalent of "racism bad"
Murder is wrong
Rape incorrect
Stealing is a no no
Old people bad, young people good
Violence not good
Fun Fact: you can play Persona 1-4 on the PSVita but no one really remembers that console sadly
I wish I could go back in time and grab one for cheap, right when it was slated as a failure of a console but before it was pulled off shelves. There are actually some pretty good RPGs on there, but like hell am I going to pay 250 bucks for a used handheld, before then paying another 200 bucks for all the games I'd wanna play that're going on 8+ years old.
Thorson Wong I picked up the vita refurbished from GameStop for $160 yesterday
I believe you can play 1-5 on PS3. (Besides one half of 2 maybe?)
People be acting like these games are difficult to find and play.
On PSVita and PS3, bonus points for the PS3 having backwards compatibility with PHYSICAL PS1 games as well.
I bought a Vita JUST for P4G.
i’m starting to learn that all fanbases and twitter and the internet in general is just a horrible place.
you don't freaking say. thats really obvious really
Twitter is a persona hell
Since you and I are a Nintendo fans (judging by the Kirby pfp) I feel we can both definitely say that this rings true in most cases.
Like I don’t think many Nintendo fans play on any other games.
pretty much.
specifically in persona the loud fans made my experience worse with the game ,so I just stopped the flow of hate ,negativity and circle jerk to my mind with just stop seeing it and I have much better experience
on a side note nowaday the strats nerd is like the only part of the fandom I recommend ,they are pretty cool props to them
P5 fanbase on Instagram is more awfull than the other.
Bro why even is there a divide between Persona and Smt? Both series are 🔥
You’re totally right about that. In my experience it’s because people on both sides are idiots. Broadly speaking of course.
I remember back in the day when I still used social media seeing a post from Atlus USA with a cardboard cutout of Teddie from P4. It was an innocuous post, but there were tons of SMT fanboys bitching, “Why isn’t it Jack Frost,” “You don’t care about SMT,” “This is proof they don’t care about the franchise,” blah blah blah. There’s a lot of SMT gatekeeping with little justification. “You like Persona? Then fuck you. Play a real MegaTen game.” As if that helps their cause.
On the Persona side, you have the morons who sent death threats to John Hardin of Atlus USA over the voice acting and translation of P5, and the people who unironically commented on the trailer for SMT IV that “Those designs (for the demons) are stolen from Persona!” Not to mention the plethora of ignorance from people shown in this video on the Persona side.
I generally like to just play the games and keep to myself, besides friends who also happen to like them. The online communities on both sides are atrocious. Personally, I started with P4 and then played all the MegaTen games, Persona or otherwise, that I could. Never found one I even dislike. It’s genuinely my favorite game series and it’s depressing as hell that the fans are all so toxic.
I like to believe that some are only into Persona purely for the story. Persona did attract a lot of visual novel fans, so you'd expect that they would not care about the gameplay from SMT.
Subhumans on both sides
@@TheTj334 That was definitely me originally, I went into P5 expecting a pretty decent story with decent visuals and a great story, mixed in with boring Pokemon combat. Then I got hit with the most stylish thing mankind ever made, and a surprisingly fun combat system. And while I didn't notice or care in my first playthrough, P5's story is definitely style over substance, which I'm fine with.
Because they are different. And those differences drive the SMT crowd to despair. SMT IV was a downgrade from nocturne visually and who knows when SMT V will even happen. Atlus use to produce a whole plethora of SMT games Persona being just one of. Take digital devil saga for example. Those games are replaced with persona 'dancing games' and 'beatem ups' and re-releases. Atlus (bare in mind Atlus did not make it) promised a SMT X Fire emblem game and instead delivered Persona with fire emblem cosplay. I enjoy persona 5 i think it's the best Jrpg in years and continues to be so. Persona is to SMT that Fire emblem three houses is to fire emblem. Some people really don't like spending so much time out of combat/dungeon crawling.
take a shot everytime a dialogue choice is "calm down" "let's be patient" or "I'm worried"
Are you trying to kill me?
"DonT bEaT yoUr GirlFriEnD"
"Beep boop"
My liver would fail
Or even …
don’t mess with us persona 5 fans
we didn’t even play the game
Lmao
Smashtards
I did twice and I really need Royal on the switch
Your profile picture tho
I did and I really wish I played the older ones instead. Persona 5 is good but it’s very much the worst in the series
The spinoffs of P5 only exist so people can watch the cutscenes online and not actually play it
Not entirely wrong
@Okuyasu Nijimura i am not buying that game because it is not out on my market i have money set aside for it and IMHO if it doesn't have a global launch it should not be used as a metric for determining if there is a fan base for it
It was doodoo dick
Reminds me of Telltale games.
Let's be real, Plants vs Zombies is the best Persona game.
ZorooarK point. Blank. PERIOD!!!
Let's go woo!!
Definitely
I couldn't disagree with you.
ha so funny i forgot to laugh
wHaT dO U mEaN?! PeRsonA 1 aND 2 dOnt eVeen EXSist! aM I fUnnY yET GUys?!?
King of comedy
You should go on TV as a comedian bro
@@TheFootyChannel-TFC ty ty, its persona fans go to joke glad its effective. 👌
Just wanna put this here since he was talking about consoles you can play Persona and SMT games on. The PS Vita has every Persona game up to Persona 4 Golden. You can get Persona 2 Eternal Punishment for 10 dollars. I know the Vita wasnt super popular but any fans of the persona series should definitely consider buying one.
Oatvoid yeah, i just got a ps vita because i was super intrested in 3/4/2/1 and yes, i still want to play P5, but i rather pay WAYYYYY less for 4 games, and EVERY SINGLE DANGANRONPA GAME
Oatvoid The PSVita actually introduced me to the Persona series through P4G lol, I haven’t been super interested in games before P3 but I got super intrigued about the series as a whole recently and really wanna experience those too
Also I feel bad for the Vita, it never got much attention in the west I heard, I was all over it tho
I bought a Vita at the end of last year to play Persona 1-4 after beating P5.
5 games from a series I'm interested in plus some other old PS1 and PSP games seemed like a worthwhile reason to purchase the handheld to me. I even managed to get P4G on sale for about $7.
@@infj1w932 Okay weeb we get it.
unless you live in Europe/Russia, that is.
"SMT is too hard"
Did you know that when you use buffs and debuffs and change out demons, it makes the game easy? Wow
It’s funny that a lot of them only call the game’s hard because of what others said. Maybe they should try the games for themselves before spouting out bullshit like that
@@plinplinplon6574 Imo, SMTN isn't TOO hard, it's pretty fun because it's challenging though. P3 though, sucks in my opinion. The pacing and gameplay is a mega turn off. Persona 4 beats 3 in everyway imo. I'll still push through P3 though.. P5 and P1 also rock.
Joshua Strachan 100% agree with the p3 sentiment. I went to fes after beating p5, and it was really unenjoyable for me. But yea P4 is a lot more fun.
Wouldn't say they're hard. They're hard for those who refuse to play the games the way they're meant to be.
@@Bornagainvillain True. When I first played P5 it was dead hard because I found buffs and debuffs useless based on my knoledge of older RPG's such as FFIX and FFVI. Later, I got much more experienced and the game is a cake walk.
Don’t mess with persona 5 fans, they’ve watched the TH-cam lets play at least 10 times
Edit: only excuse is if you can’t afford a PS4 or just don’t own one
Yes, Sal 😂
Well now hold on, I know we're making fun of them and all, but do you really think they have the attention span to sit through a 100~ hour game 10 times? I'm honestly surprised they could do it once!
@@ElectricBarrier If there are anime-styled characters on-screen, they'll sit through anything.
Electric Barrier As a person who started off with P5... ive done this. And im not proud hahaha. But this BreakFreePersona shit is so fucking stupid like damn
@@jokersucksatpoker6451 It's also on PS3.
You know it's bad when persona 1-4 fans want nothing to do with p5 fans.
They all suck
Yeah, i never wanted to interact with persona 5 fans. They are annoying twittard mostly who can't take a joke and think if you pick anyone to be your girlfriend, you are either called pedophile or groomer.
My favorite people are “Persona is my favorite game I love gameplay and all, but I never played the game”
TastyXShounen do those people really exist because they must be retarded😂 I love p5 but you have to play it to enjoy it fully
TastyXShounen personally the game franchise is older than me and I can’t get the older games, I’m also not legally allowed to buy the games so studying the games religiously and drawing art for it. Many fans can’t play the games also because of price or it not being translated to their language or don’t own the console. These are people too and even if they can’t afford it doesn’t mean they don’t like it
Cheddardog exactly they won’t get to experience the full thing they only see the choices the guy in a TH-cam video picked
Emily BunnyHop persona 5 is what I meant
TastyXShounen I know, again I’m legal not allowed to buy it, but many people want to play it but can’t just like my in problem
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Half the fanbase of P5 haven't actually played P5, you can tell from just how they speak. Keep in mind, I'd put this game in my top 10 any day but damn it shows. The level of demand for P5 to be on Switch is annoying, just cause Joker is in Smash.
You can tell because the game is ridiculously popular yet only sold 3 million in a few years. Meanwhile DMC5 which is hardly mainstream and barely above being niche sold about as much in a shorter time
@@dc7981 I've played P5 vanilla at least 3 times, and I'm getting close to finishing P5 Royal. So it really shows when someone hasn't played the game at all when they're like "Goro is my babeeee" and shit like that yet he's a fucking murderer who has no remorse. Granted, I like the guy as well, but the way they display their "enjoyment" borders on creepy. It's the same for every other character, especially Makoto and Ann I've noticed.
Fair enough, Persona 5 is their highest selling game yet if that's the case then why didn't the spin-offs sell as well? You'd think they'd sell decently but most of em have been a flop.
PQ2 was one of the last games on the 3DS so it has an excuse but the dancing games? No reason especially when it had P3 as well.
I havent actually played 5 but im still pissed at people getting pissed at letsplayers romancing girls other than their fav girls (mainly makoto ffs)
@@abslzero Now that's an entirely different can of worms, the whole waifu/fav stuff has been going on for ages an it's just as bad as the non-playing P5 stuff.
D C I mean it’s kind of expected Atlus games don’t sell that well. They’re advertising and PR suck. It’s like how no one knew what the Wii U was
To be fair whenever anything gets popular the fan base goes down hill because more people are into it. Did you know Kpop fans used to be more calm and fun to talk to! Yeah now it's yeah it's just "that"
i miss old kpop lol , nowaday most of the kpop song i like is unfamous one
That's why I'm proud to be a Jrock/visual-kei fan. There aren't that much of us so it's mostly chill
I've met people who think persona 5 IS THE ONLY PERSONA GAME.
Did you know Persona started at 5
Oh goddamit my head hurts a bit trying to come up with the logic...
Come on the 5 IS RIGHT THERE!
I used to think saints row the third was first one
Kinda like I forget there was a street fighter before the second one. Am I the only one to think that
Hey have you played the 5th persona game?
Wait there is a persona 10?
Me:how much pot did you smoke?
I'm sick of these "my favorite game is deeper than yours" fights. It doesn't just happen here, it happens everywhere, in movies, series, anime.
they look like damn kids screaming "my toy is better than yours".
I played All classic smt, SMTN, Strange Journey, Devil Survivor, Persona 1, 2 and 3 Portable, and I don't need to show anyone my "good taste" in the products, feel superior to others in these things I find it pathetic.
(no, it's not a response to the video, it's a response to all this eternal war between smt fans vs. persona fans)
Wow, a reasonable opinion. Crazy.
yea tbh i just started getting into the persona series and now i just want to stop playing because of the divisive community the SMT franchise has (sorry if there are some grammar or spelling mistakes, english is not my main language and i am fucking dumb)
Thank you
@@eloyandrade7962 remember what he says in the video. The community shouldn't affect the product. If you enjoy the games, you should play them. Keep an open mind and don't let the opinions of others sway you. Develop your own thoughts on the ganes
All these immature insecure fans are just so lonely in their lives and just wana feel good about themselves by defending their favorite toy... worse are those who make a video of it to spread even more hate like this crazy dude...
This aged well, not gonna lie
WhO cArEs AbOuT sMt 5 wE aSkEd fOr EvErY pErSoNa GaMe On sWiTcH (3-5 of course because only those exsist) YoU bEtRaYeD uS aTlUs
Shiny Charizard yeAh wHO cAReS aboUt smt 5 whO caReS thAt ThErE hAs beEN nO nEwS aBouT iT foR thReE yeArs
Shiny Charizard yep i swear people probs don’t know about smt
@@calibvr it makes it worse when the same people doing this probably won't even play p5 they ask for but when they do they'll say that they won't play any other games because they're too outdated or too hard
@@shinycharizard3761 its funny i have a friend who introduced me to persona but he has yet to play 1 and the douology. He said hell play noctune so not a major loss
Persona 5 fans on their way to watch the TH-cam let's plays because their parents don't let them play M rated games
I am four parallel universe way ahead with of you
I play persona 5 in front my family
Even play the whole 6 palace in front of them
@@goroakechi2216 i do all the secondary mission,and go do the "ship" missions in front of them,even my dead grandma 🥱
My favorite people in the world are the ones with Joker profile pics saying that even though they've never played Persona 5. Some even bought Persona 5 Royal but don't own a PS4
Excuse me, what?
Homururu 🌙 used PS3 $60-150 Persona 5 $15-30. If people like this really exist it saddens me that they couldn’t pay $15 extra for their “favorite game”
It's a way to support the developer I guess. Some people buy Japanese manga even if they don't understand it just to support the author since the translated version won't help the author to not be axed
I'll never understand their "I can't buy a console for just one game!" mentality. It only takes a few seconds to google "PS4 game recommendations" and pick games to buy with it. They honestly only want Persona 5 because it's popular, and I'm saying this as someone who actually played and enjoyed the game.
@Brendan Lewis I have to agree, especially since Nintendo games stay at ~$60 even after 3 years
@@Snpaulie You can buy Persona 3, 4 and 5 for 40$ on PS3
When the P5 made the mainstream, it kinda went downhill with the fanbase. Its got the same curse as Undertale where the fanbase steers people away.
It's why I follow the number one rule when it comes into getting into games never ever follow or interact with a fanbase. Individual fans who seem cool and I know in IRL, sure but never on the internet land of pettyness and toxic behavior.
@@ecos889 A loit of these Internetfans are more like cult followers that somehow need to fill their empty lifes with something important.
@@TheMetastasia
As a long time SMT franchise fan, I must agree.
I've seen the series through since it's days on the PS2 era via SMT 3 Nocturne and even delved into some of the older games at some point.
I've also seen the Persona franchise through from it's infancy to it's current status as a mainstream Juggernaut. I must say... The moment the floodgates were opened, it really put a strain on the series in terms of integrity.
Too many infantile weirdos have formed a (as you stated) cult-like obsession with the games. It's disturbing..
i like that the games get their recognition and the game is great but i hate how whiny the newer fanbase are
i get that a lot of them are new to megami tensei series but jesus
i hate the complaining about mementos, its an RPG you NEED to grind a little to get better
@@ecos889 Same, any series or franchise I actually care about I make sure not to interact with it's fanbase online because it gets toxic. I just like the game man that's all but people be having essays online on the internet lol
While I don’t entirely agree with your opinion on P3-4-5, I cannot really disagree with your opinion on the western fans. The whole hashtag thing was pretty stupid
Chris Bleu agreed
All persona games are garbage also take the piss
@@skuli5526 why
@@Max_811 because its cool to hate on something that they dont like？
@@Max_811
Don't mind him, he doesn't actually have a good reason to, he's hating for the sake of it.
I like persona 5 but everything you said is 100% correct, especially your criticisms of the writing. I love the social link mechanic of the persona games but the writing is only meh in 5, the style compensates for it and hides it but so many of the themes are so 2D compared to p3/4 (haven’t played 1/2) and especially compared to other smt games.
Someone who ACTUALLY played the game! Huzzah
Yup, Persona 5 completely dropped the ball on its writing especially in the main plot. Even compared to the other neo-sona games.
Persona 3 was about the inevitability of death and mortality but still wanting to move forward with life regardless.
Persona 4 was about the shadow that everyone hides inside themselves, the personality that we don't show to others and the "mask" that we wear around other people.
Persona 5's story is... adults bad?
@@kyrusxi I think youre my overexaggerating, P5 isn't just adults bad, it's about freedom and carving your own path in society, being yourself pretty much, that's how I see it
@@kostasspirou1010 couldn’t have said it any better
@@kostasspirou1010 But that message is undercut by the simple fact they aren't adults, they haven't felt the crushing reality of adulthood. What path can they create when they haven't truly had to make a living? It's overly idealistic to the point of being unrealistic.
P5s selling poorly on the switch isn't too surprising because its a sequel to a game not on the system.
Adam Gamsby no it’s on ps4 for japan as well as switch tf you saying
They can google it i guess?? the story before P5S
@@nickbarlas5544 He said the poor sales on the Switch aren't surprising, he didn't say that it wasn't on PS4
@M F do you have any other option than buying a ps4 to play 1 game??
@M F ohhh okiesss
It’s pretty annoying to know that they have a gold mine of untranslated japan exclusive retro games just waiting to be “discovered”. I mean, I would gladly pay for a remaster of the original devil summoner, just because of how stylish the box art looks, instead they want to shit out an endless stream of persona spin offs, and rereleases until the end of times
To be fair games like SMT if and the Original Devil Summoner are actually persona 3 levels of bad and dated. We’re not losing much with them not being around.
Simply Dad I get that they are dated and clumsy, but not necessarily bad, and comparing the issues to P3 doesn’t make much sense, since it improved a lot of the aspects that it shares with those games. But just because they were clumsy and worse than the more some of the modern ones doesn’t mean that they aren’t still good games, or that a remaster or just a rerelease wouldn’t be doing too much, since they could introduce fans to the roots of the franchises
@@SimplyDad Still man, it's megaten and the games overall are all good, including P3. The only smt game I played that made me think "**** this shit" was Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei in some freaking annoying dungeons while dropping levels, because apparently some demons did that back in the day, and some parts look more like an horror story then a dungeon. But yeah, every Megaten game I know is worth it, what am I gonna play? Animal Crossing? It's also good, but come on, give me some of that old SMT if action...
@@SimplyDad too bad P3 isnt a bad game nor a bad game by Atlus standards.
Because Atlus doesn't care much about SMT. (Including 1 and 2) Just look at the dancing games: Persona 3 came out in like, what 2007 and they still milk it. Persona brings them the most money and I understand that, but if they just focus on remaking other games like Nocturne, P1, and P2, etc they'd make a lot of money.
Compare Persona fans begging for Switch ports with the Yakuza/RGG fanbase’s responde to an interest survey. It was a concentrated push from fans on the survey showing their genuine love and interest in the series that actually caught SEGA JPN’s eye and got us multiple games ported over when Yakuza was struggling in its introduction!
The localization team and the actual Yakuza devs THEMSELVES attributed the revival of the franchise towards the fun memes shared like “alone on Friday night? just remember these Yakuza”. It was all done for a love of the series without obsession or annoyance, and it actually got the older, less accessible games to get entire REMAKES with bonus content and polished gameplay/cutscenes.
You can meme a franchise back to life, just don’t harass developers, don’t force things from others, and instead perpetuate a fun love for what you want to see cultivated.
Sega/RGG still has to drop Yakuza Isshin into the west but other than that, I agree.
They cant really do anything except complaining.....
@@p2pselfpuppet796 We don't need Persona 5 on switch if SMT 5 does well.
Using memes to bring a franchise back to life?...Maybe can get Metal Gear Rising 2 after all...
@@KeithTheDinosaurBoyVA That depends, is Konami still using pachinko machines???
It sucks how like 80% of the community either didn't even play the game or only like the game because of the "waifus". I played the game and it deserves to be noticed for its story and more important things rather than the stupid waifu stuff etc. I love persona 5 put the fanbase ruins the game. It puts such a bad impression on it and I hate it. People aren't seeing persona 5 for what it really is.
Same with Three Houses
@@saasmaster3742 really? That sucks. Fire emblem three houses is such a good game.
@@uni334 yeah.
Same with every rockstar games every. gta and bully have some of great story's but then you got the fact R* never gives dlc and the community never pay attention to the story. Gta sa is great story but it's the cheats gameplay and people who never played them are what get the light of day.
@@Himmyjewett people really need to stop doing that, I hope some of these people get to realize how much of the story they ignored. Honestly, game communities suck in general..
I love Persona 5 and I respect your opinions on the game.
Wow, that wasn't so hard.
(p.s. thanks for calling out Phan-Site)
You can't do that! That is not allowed!
What did Phan-Site do? I've been seeing hate for theme lately but I can't seem to find anything.
I don’t t go on Twitter anymore but I do have to ask what’s with the Phan-Site call out?
@@artlove1007 It's mostly because, (at least in my opinion), Phan-Site constantly shill Persona to the extent that it becomes incredibly annoying especially with all the #MitsuruMonday or similar hashtags. It's as if they think Persona is some niche series, which with how Joker is received, is not the case. Another factor is they put up a facade, (or a persona if you will), to seem like they really care about the other games but really it's just Persona 3, 4, and 5. Lastly, they also did participate in calling for "fans" to port beg Persona 5 on another system through a Japanese survey. I don't hate the guy personally, but he's just such a huge shill to the point of annoyance. Sorry for the wall of text.
TL;DR Phan-Site shills too much.
People automatically assume he's an elitist simply because he has a big account, but in reality he tries his hardest to make the community as wholesome as possible.
To be fair, the social aspect of the third one was implemented the best and made more sense, since it was about how connections with people can help you discover who you are as a person, and it shows you how people deal with grief and apathy (the themes of the game). The contrast between the grim dark setting of the Dark Hour and the relaxed happy times in the day. It was better written overall.
P3 is probably the best persona game. I have a soft spot for 4, but the story and gameplay is just so nice!
I disagree it was better written overall (and I started with P3). The characters, especially in the first half or so, barely have any qualities that differentiate them from one another. They all react basically the same to situations save maybe Junpei and Hikari (although in Hikari's case, she just *personally* annoyed me). They basically go through the motions of the plot.
The latter parts of the game get better, we see their motivations at least even if they are all still very serious and lacking in personality. i think that is my biggest gripe: that lack of personality. They are all a very similar archetype with just different backstories. A game can be dark without every character on the edge of brooding.
This is why I heavily disagree with the first couple of minutes of this video. I personally have never known people to all be very serious and edgy, I used to hang out with a very colorful and diverse group of people and so the casts and themes of the latter two games feel much more genuine. Relatability is personal. Just because he cannot relate does not mean others do not.
@@PathBeyondTheDark who the fuck is Hikari? They don't "act edgy" and also don't compare them to your friends cuz your friends and you have never experienced dark hours or shadows lmao. They also don't have similar personalities, what are you on about? And of course they are gonna be serious, why the fuck would u joke around when the world is ending? Did you play the game or did you skim through a let's play walkthrough on youtube?
@@martyvenkman860 I played it at least 3 times, lmao, including P3P once. Getting so wound up over... what exactly? An opinion? Meant Yukari, it's been almost a decade, it's called memory decay.
Are you being serious about people's reactions... I mean we are in a fucking pandemic, hundreds of thousands dead, and people are still joking and laughing as if nothing is happening. In addition, more people lack basic, *basic* human rights then have them in this world yet we live in blissful ignorance. People find a way to cope, and one of the best ways is through enjoyment, escapism, whatever it may be. It is what we are best at. So no, most would not be serious 100% of the time, they would find ways of coping just as people always have - that is not realistic. Your response is honestly disingenuous at best, ignorant af at worst.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Nice
Does it annoy anyone else when people "jokingly" skip over P1&2?
*Annoys the hell out of me*
YES
Yes it does
There’s a persona 1 and 2??
@@Optaku Yeah man! Only the cool kids talk about it and play it though
with your comments about Futaba, maybe I'm some weirdo but I have been diagnosed with anxiety and when I'm with close friends I'm quipy, I get anxious when talking to people I don't know, so it isn't unrealistic for Futaba to act like she does around close friends
@DarkSonic180 how is someone's view wrong to have anxiety something that they have zero control over
@DarkSonic180 well I mean in the metaverse it is not like real life..they are shadows..not real people. its almost like a game for her she can be in her comfort zone..her persona is basically a hacker lol
@@insertname8721 Do you not know that introverts are a thing? People tend to act differently when around their friends and family.
@@sundowner4076 of course I do considering i'm an introvert, of course our act more extroverted around my friends and family because I feel comfortable around them. Also sorry for asking but what exactly are you trying to make as your point
I think the man in the video’s point was that these characters issues aren’t actually explored and instead are just used as a way to pretend to be mature.
I'll be honest, I really like Persona 5 (my personal favorite JRPG of this console generation) but I genuinely think when it comes to the cast and story, it's weak compared to Persona 3. Also the people begging for Persona 5 on Switch are annoying as hell. I mean Shin Megami Tensei 5 is gonna happen at some point and I really want news on that game.
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I think the issue is the Smash Bros folks who probably only got exposed to Persona 5 due to it, and well, the Smash fanbase is another whole cesspool or can or worms (to say without being rude). And of course there's the fact that in general most Persona fans nowadays don't even know Shin Megami Tensei even exists, so from our perspective the begging for P5 is worse to us.
Honestly my opinion they took the lesser of two evils from both Persona 3 and 4, with Persona 3 mixed bag of characters and Persona 4 predictable story and decide to say "you know what let's put this into a video game and see what happens with pretty graphics"
Although the predictable story and mixed bag of characters doesn't make it a bad game, at times the story will be strong and also the characters but at the end of times you'll feel like there's a very weak links compared to Persona 4 very strong characters and Persona 3 very strong story
@@philipboes1100 I've always said this about Persona 3, 4 and 5. 3 has the best story, 4 has the best cast, and 5 has the best gameplay and dungeon design. Music I love all 3 equally.
@@staticshock4239 that's the one thing all three of them have going for me is the music
Also idiots in the media kept begging for p3 and p4 remake
Funny how persona is about embracing and accepting your flaws when the toxic fans act like the games are perfect and refuse to acknowledge their flaws
Lol ikr the anime is a bush fire too
@@inkllama5445 sadly yes lol
I feel as if most persona fans dont even bother to think about that shit and instead care more about the "waifus" or the childish af moments instead of what the story is trying to present.
@@CereDulce37 true, bro I hate the waifu wars, its freaks me out how serious they get about it lol
@@glubinsnub2772 it's OK to have favourites but these people just accuse others of paedophilia if they date Kasumi or Futaba, which is fucking insane idk who hurt these people
Hey at least P5 made the person 3/4 fanbase and the persona 1/2, smt fanbases finaly come together in unison shiting on the persona 5 fans.
An enemy of my other enemy is my friend. Give Persona fan life stone to hate P5. Social link go up.
The saddest part is that there are Persona fans WHO DON’T KNOW WHAT SMT IS!
they don't
I mean at this point it doesn't have SMT in the name anymore so it's not that surprising
Why is that side? Who cares? Lmao
@@Jack91790 thats like saying you love breath of the wild and dont know what zelda is lmao
@@charlyj1321 except for the fact that botw isn't a spin off. No one should know about somethkng to appease the fans of something else.
P5 fanbase: WE WANT P5 ON SWITCH!
ATLUS: *Release Catherine Full Body on Switch, release SMT on Switch, release Persona 4 Golden on PC*
Not to mention there's 5 variations of Persona 5 and the fans are still not satisfied.
Somanithel Kheang talk about yourself, I want the game on switch.
I would buy p5 on switch if it ever came out. That does not mean that I will beg atlus to port it over. I mean we switch owners will get smt 5 and both ps4 and switch owners are getting an HD remaster of nocturne.
@@cunnyman damn bro you really killed them out there
@@aaronyazidtr9478 facts bust out the white chalk we gotta fuckin body out here
I love p5 but these fans need to shut up
Facts
it’s my favourite game in the series. it’s characters, story and gameplay is very good but jesus fuck i wish i never played the game so i don’t have to be considered a part of the fanbase
ThomasEyeThink you don’t have to, you can love the game, talk about it, and not consider yourself part of it.
Just don’t be like them.
I know but I do hate how he thinks all fans are like that
The "toxic fanbase" argument is dumb as shit. Every game has a toxic fanbase, including Undertale (and that game whole thing was about positivity).
It's dumb to use it in the first place. Also, critics of P5 and P5R have never touched the game for all the shit they give to others.
You right. Still like the game.
I mean he didn't say you couldn't.
I mean opinions...
I understand what he's trying to say in a way...
He didn't say you couldn't, he's just saying don't be a asshole about it.
That’s fine if you like it. I like it too. But there’s also nothing wrong about being aware, told, or having a debate over its flaws. It’s not a perfect creation, after all. No creation is perfect, especially at the beginning, but they do develop and should develop to become the best version of themselves. When you become self-aware about your flaws, your creation’s flaws, or another creation’s flaws, then that’s the first step into making improvements on them and yourself.
You didn’t even watch the video huh?
Persona: SMT is too edgy.
Also persona fans: OMG PERSONA 3 IS SO GOOD. MAKOTO SHOOTS HIMSELF TO SUMMON A PERSONA!
Not gonna lie man that sounded kinda familiar.
@@eduardoespinosa3912 doyjaan
@@elechain2441 -coughs- -coughs- Jotaro -coughs- -coughs-
@Bx Dx Bro ikr I never though I’d see the day
What about themes like: Rape, suicide, plagiarism, blackmail, depression, and police brutality
I think quite a few of your thoughts are spot-on, but there are also some I disagree with.
I particularly don’t think the argument that Persona 5 Scramble selling badly on Switch showcases a lack of interest for Persona among Switch fans. Scramble is set after the main game of P5, essentially making it a direct follow-up to the game. If you have not played P5, like people who only own a Switch, you are likely not going to want to start with the direct sequel/follow-up. If you have played P5, however, there’s a good likelyhood that you already own a PS4. Scramble is aimed at people who have already played P5, with a majority of them being PS4 owners. Essentially, the only ones who has a choice between the Switch or PS4 version of Scramble are likely people who already own both consoles. It’s a wonder that Scramble sold as well as it has on Switch given these circumstances.
I also think you are painting an entire fanbase with broad strokes. Given that P5 is so new and so massively popular, it attracts many new obnoxious fans. However, as you’ve said yourself, they are a vocal minority, but the sheer number of these people make out most of the fanbase to be bad when it’s really only a segment of the entire group as a whole. Shin Megami Tensei is an older, more niche and dormant franchise, meaning that the fans who still stick with it despite its age are likely to have talked about everything and are likely to have a much smaller vocal minority of morons. Because of the smaller vocal minority, you see the fanbase as being cooler and more chill, which it is. The Persona 3-5 fans who are cool and chill exist as well, but they are being drowned out and associated with the moronic vocal minority that is incredibly large because the franchise is hitting a point of having a major influx of new fans.
I think the reason that a majority of these new fans want P3-P5 ports but not the older games is because the older games are seen as being too radically different from the games that newer fans fell in love with. A lot of P3-P5 fans really like the social sim simulator parts of the games, and hearing that the older games don’t feature that could be a potential turn off. Like, fans of the Batman comic books might like the gritty and more serious tone of more modern comics and actively avoid Silver Age stories because it doesn’t feature the stuff they like. Atlus has also actively marketed P3-P5 in recent years, including the P3 and P4 characters in the newer fighting games and PQ+PQ2, keeping the characters from thise games relevant and active even now while the Pre-P3 characters have been almost left entirely in the dust, only having minor allusions to them in optional dialogue in P5. Atlus isn’t trying to market the first three games and refuses to give them good ports to modern consoles, so I don’t really blame the P3-P5 crowd for only saying they want ports of the newer games. And, I mean, if they won’t even rerelease the 2012 P4G to modern hardware, I don’t think anyone has any illusions that the three first games are going to be given a rerelease before they rerelease the modern three games first, so it seems futile to even call for the first three games to be released first. Even though I agree the older games defintely needs rereleases too.
None of the persona spin offs ever depend on knowledge of the original games. They are standalone. The only exception is Adachi being in Ultimax.
And if you reply with, "Well they wont know that" then they werent that interested in the first place because google is amazing.
@@Phantom-kc9ly Yeah, they can stand alone, but most people would probably still like to get introduced to the characters in their original game along with the original context. It's like saying that you can watch something like Avatar: The Legend of Korra before watching Avatar: The Last Airbender. In both them and with P5-P5S, he sequel spin-off is so entrenched and so heavily involved with the prequel that watching the sequel first can ruin twists and mysteries from the prequel. Even using google to look up things on the sequel can result in you inadvertently spoiling yourself, and thus people might be scared to look things up.
Another example is something like Harry Potter. The Fantastic Beast movies are spin off prequels to the original 7 HP movies, but nobody would recommend you start with the Beast movies first as they aren't made to serve as an introduction to the world of Harry Potter. Sure, you could watch them first, but you would miss an incredible amount of context for how the world and magic works. You could pick up on context and try to figure things out stand-alone, or you might just feel it would be better off starting with the original HP movies. Persona 5 and its spin-offs really don't work very differently.
@@ventrustwestwind6127 I don't give a fuck what they want. There are no returning characters. Igor is a gameplay mechanic.
Korra is significantly worse than Avatar so of course I recommend watching it first. Also few to no returning characters.
Anyone that just doesn't know these things arent fans of the series and I don't give a fuck what their excuse is. They can consume the same shit we did or they can do something else.
@@Phantom-kc9ly I'm just say this
P5S is the first Persona spin off the requires you to have played the first game first to understand the story as a whole
Although I really love persona, older games but especially 3, 4, and 5, I somehow can still enjoy watching you shit on and tear it apart even if I disagree with some of what you say
Also bloody destiny ain't bad, but I do think some songs in the original are way better than the ones that replaced them
Bloody Destiny is good, but it just ain't as hype as Deadline and gets repetitive fast. Its especially unfiting when going against bosses like Kandori
@@ephemeralbro that's true
NiLink NoLa
Yeah, on the subject of the Persona PSP OST, i think the bigger issue is that the original soundtrack was about 90 tracks (by 3 composers), and the PSP version is only about 35, so tons of track got cut and had no replacement at all.
I think most people will say the psp soundtrack is good but just doesn’t fit for P1 although I do hear the remixed soundtrack for P2 is just better.
The problem in the remake aren't the songs themselves, but the fact that they are not fitting the game.
I'm one of those people who played the newer Persona games and never really bothered to look into the older ones, but I can still recognise that they're good games that mean a lot to a lot of people. And if they were more easily accessible, I'd absolutely want to give them a try, _because_ I know that a lot of people love them.
Persona fans will really just never play a game but still assume it's a waste of time, huh?
You can play P1, p2 and p3p with emulator though
Umm....u can play p1-p3 with emulator.For P4G u can buy it from Steam.Pls give it a try its really woth it.
Oh man, I sure hope you feel better about yourself, I mean, just downloading a emulator from web and getting the game from web (can also be free!) is not accessible enough, you are excused for not playing older persona games.
@@promisnwekenta9703 tbf I know quite a few people in real life that just straight out don't like pirating
Aha.. no. SMt or persona is a god damn waste of time. All that bs grinding and retrying is such a boorish thing I ever know.
Just the way I like it.
The breaking point for me with the break free hashtag is when atlus announced the smt 3 remastered and smt 5 they went full on attacking atlus for nothing about persona. I lost when they did that.
the nintendo fans are gonna be like dont mess with us p5 fans, we never played a single game of the franchise
@Joaquim Floyd that too since they mostly found out about the franchise from smash
That is the first time I have ever heard that joke
No, just smash fans
Most Nintendo fans either got tms or are waiting for smt 5
Smash Is not an Awesome Game but 1/5 of the community is toxic. There is literally those idiots who want a P5 on switch when us non toxic people don't care for the Game being ported. We play our game and have fun.
Pro tip:
If there's a game, movie, tv show or whatever that you really like.
Don't interact with the fanbase!
I love p5, and you're completely right here. I can't stand the fanbase the game has
People that want Persona 5 for switch just know joker from smash
I don't mind the fanbase it just the fucking smash fans there so fucking annoying
Neither I, honestly
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@@splashical2425 No It's the stupid fans not the console
"uhhhhh p5s sold badly on the switch!!!"
Yeah, no shit, gamers don't usually buy spinoffs to games that aren't on their console or platform of choice lol
Play a real SMT game. Play Jack Bros.
Thank you good sir for spreading the truth that false messiahs like Simply Dad refuse to acknowledge
No shit bro. You got me.
If only I have a gameboy.
@@shinyanakagawa8241 *virtual boy
@@RealBlueony My bad.
Man up and play DemiKids
Honestly persona 5 fanbase is on undertale 2016, FNAF fanbase levels. Big yikes
The only difference here is that Undertale’s fan base has chilled out some, while P5’s is getting worse every year.
Nothing will reach the amount of cringe the fnaf fandom was on 2016. Bro i didn’t even like fnaf but music videos of those fucking animatronics kept popping up Jesus
The Persona 5 fanbase almost makes the Sonic fanbase look like Paradise
at least the undertale fanbase actually played the fucking game
Nah persona fanbase in general is just like...that.... I mean take a look at some videos and you will find a fucking ship war or something
Like dude, why?
Imagine thinking a game released in 2000 is "too old" to play :/
@@Astroyune not really. "Out-dated" is just a negative connotation. "Old school" has a more positive connotation.
@@Astroyune "conotation" is not "meaning". They mean the same thing; "Somthing old". Thier connotations are different however. "Outdated" can be used to imply the speaker thinks negatively of old things, because it has a negative connotation. "Old school" can be used to imply the speaker think more positly of old things, because it has a positive connotation. However, they are both used to refer to the old. So thier meaning would essentially be the same.
yooo nah bro its way too old, its not from this year so you cant play ach smh my head
I would love to play the other persona games but I don't have a vita or ps2. I'll see if i can play them eventually though
i just get annoyed with em cuz i dont have the consoles. can thank my dad for giving them all away.
P5 fans begging for switch port to this day and I’m out here still waiting on that eternal punishment psp translation
I truly believe there is always little toxic fanbase in a larger fanbase in any kind of media. I like the games in the Persona franchise; granted I've haven't played Persona 1, 2 Innocent Sin, and 2 Eternal Punishment or even the the rest of the MegaTen games, but I like the games I've played and that's just my opinion. There's always a group of people who will keep asking the company to do this or do that, or even send them threats. For example, the recent death threats and harassment that Sakurai was experiencing because of Byleth being announced. Some people in a fanbase are legit toxic while other people in the same fanbase are just there to talk about the game and have fun. That's just my opinion on this matter.
Edit: I'm currently getting into the Persona 2 Duology, and I like it so far!
Good.
I dont really like p2 because of the combat system, idk why but when the tutorial battle gives me an essay on how everything works i just cant read the entire essay and then dies at the first battle because i dont know how stuff works especially with fusion skills
@@abslzero That's more of a you problem. Not the game itself.
@@glihybrid9484 yeah it is my problem lol i just cant stand a tutorial given in a form of an essay
Well said buddy.
Want: Smt 5, A new Trauma Center, Devil survivor 3, a new Raidou game, Project Re Fantasy. An actual p2 remake, and everything mentioned in 12:42 - 13:12
Get: Persona dancing
>an actual remake
I'm not sure. I definitely don't trust modern Atlus with a P3 remake, but P2's gameplay is so bad that even they really might be able to improve it. I'd be very concerned about what other additions they'd make though.
idk about Devil Survivor 3. I don't know if the 3ds remake helped it but, uh... devil survivor 2 was, uh... not good. I don't know I would trust Atlus to do DeSu3.
Animasta Was it not? Backlog means I haven't gotten to it yet but I see people fellating Devil Survivor regularly.
Trauma Center: Still Alive
You get the joke? xD
I mean for Trauma Center there's always another franchise similar to that...
It's called Amateur Surgeon...
I'm sure they have never heard of a "Playstation-exclusive".
Atlus has never confirmed nor deconfirmed that Persona is a PS exclusive. I mean you could practically say that they're trying to pull away from the Playstation exclusivity these days, with P5R and P4G being ported to PC, and P5S being on Switch and PC as well
@@xenogen372 P5 is PS exclusive though. There's literally a kid playing a vita that you can see while riding a train.
@@Tonka77 alright
@@CatManThree Such detail doesn't say much though, the game gets a switch release and suddenly he's playing with switch or a PC release and suddenly he has an İOS or Android phone.
@RageGetBest Thats not really entirely why persona 5 is popular though. The social sim mechanics actually play a bigger role in combat and dungeon exploration in p5 than in 3 or 4. The social sim mechanics also serve as downtime between focusing on combat in dungeons. There's also its music (amazing as always from SMT) and visual ascetic.
If you were to say this maybe about persona 4 with it having little focus on combat and dungeon exploration, mostly a focus on its social sim elements instead, I'd kind of agree. However this is 5 we are talking about.
This aged well with Phan-Site's current situation.
i came back to this video just because of that lol
It ages even better when you remember that SimplyDad made a video calling out Phansite on his 2nd channel many months before what's happening now.
@@CJojo_13_ ive watched that video twice today. plus the phansite call out video from "snicketys dirty laundry" from 9 months ago.
the downfall of this scumbag made my day lol
What is happening exactly? Excuse my ignorance but cannot find anything about a Phan-Site or any controversy.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Phan-Site was a Twitter user (I used "was" because his account no longer exists) who was considered the "face of Persona" on Twitter (according to himself lol) and pretended to be a friendly person; however, he was instead a piece of shit who harassed other users and recently threatened via voicemail to murder another Twitter user.
Y'know, I bought a whole ass switch for SMTV.
Same sold it because 4 years later the game isn't here
@@shelly8563 you made the WORST decision you ever could.....
hold on 4 years?
the switch came out in 2017
@@WednesdayMan Yeah but they announced it wayy before then so i thought that maybe it would have came out 2018/19
@@shelly8563 honestly I do buy consoles for 1 game then end up playing many other games. look when SMT 5 comes out you're really gonna regret the decision due to how Switches are being scalped.
Shelton welp you should buy the switch again
Here is the Persona community:
P5 Fans - They're not fans of Persona, they're fans of Persona 5.
P4 Fans - They call Persona 4 the best Persona but not because it's the best but because its their first Persona.
P3 Fans - Dislike Persona 4 fans because of how much less depressing the game is.
P2 Fans - Tries to get into every conversation and talk about how GREAT Persona 2 story is even tho they've only watched playthroughs on TH-cam.
P1 Fans - What's a P1?
Persona Fans - The fans who hate all of these fans and just wanna talk and play Persona.
@Jay Park sure, almost as easy as P5, except the insanely high enemy encounter rate, way slower battle flow (not a real problem but i have to say it), over exaggerated numbers of stores available which half of them you don't even need to visit, enemies with 3 fucking personalities at the same time (again not a real problem) and the analyze box of the enemies who looks more like a bank statement than anything else
@Jay Park yep, the story and characthers is what kept me playing till the end, and I'm glad i did
Ok let's chill some of us have played more that one persona game
Bruh P2 has hitler its the best persona so far lmao
P5 "fans" didn't even play the game.
Let's be honest its only smash fans that are this annoying
The fandom honestly was just as bad if not worse before Joker got into Smash
Yessss finally someone else who thinks that smash band wagoners are the problem.
@@exiist.mp4 no no it has definitely gotten worse when they found out about it. It was bad before but when he got revealed in smash, it got even worse. Like the constant bullshit I see where people say
"PErSoNA 3 hAs tHe bEsT sToRy
PErSoNa 4 HAs thE BeST cHaRaCtERs
pERsOnA 5 hAs ThE bESt gAmEplAy."
@@eliravioli BeSt ViLlAiN is aDaChi
@@splashical2425 Holy shit Why do explain their best selling games. Stop Being Butthurt.
I actually want the Persona 2 duology in the latest engine, that would be bonkers
Fuck no keep the masterpiece sprites
@@akiramiller9025 but why tho? Are you sure that's not your nostalgia goggles talking?
@@MsMotoko2 well made spirites look better than 3d and there still modern way to use spirites like how some Indies games do and they look amazing. And the sprites keep the spirit of the game. And the games was made before I was born
@@akiramiller9025 so maybe if they keep the sprites but upgrade the core gameplay?
@@MsMotoko2liking old things isnt always "just nostalgia"
I definitely agree how the characters are one-dimensional. However, I still love Yusuke
Honestly Yusuke is too good for this world.
*Yusuke and his lobsters
Eh he's alright. There have been characters like him in other games. Unironically the best characters are ryuji and akechi
@@matabishippuden6965 lmao Akechi is garbage. He killed dozens of innocents because daddy issues, yet we have to empathized and understand him. Adachi is waaaaaaaaaay better.
@@mr.averageguy202 alright I'm gon be honest with you. I kinda only said akechi because his mask is cool as fuck. Ryuji though is legitimately good although he is still a worse version of eikichi.
I’m gonna go and say that at the very minimum, P4 cast is technically more human than the Thieves. It really hurts coming from a guy who loves P2EP&P3 the most.
But that's because P4 it's about finding the truth, and fighting your dark side. P5 is more like "Muh, society is bad, let's kick these stupid adults asses". Also, P5 have many more villains, and all of them are generic. P4 has Adachi, and omg, that guy is an awesome villain, realistic and understandable.
The story in P4 was pretty lighthearted in the end of the day, and the game in general focused on that tone and the finding your own self part, while in P3 they focused more on the theme of death in a more doom and gloom tone, with tartarus being this world altering threat, which not only gave the threat in P3 a lot of weight, it also made both games pretty memorable and different, while P5 tried to have both the themes of finding your true self, and putting a lot of weight on the villains, which made both parts of the themes in the game pretty shallow
@@ratinholimpinho3285 exactly, also, P5 tries to talk a lot about justice and rebelion, but in my opinion it's a really one-sided one, I hope the game get a bit better with royal, gonna play the game because SMT and Persona are both my favorite franchise, but I don't have many expectations to be honest.
I think the problem is that none of the Phantom Thieves get much time to develop. Even in their own S. Links, you don't learn much about them. They don't feel like actual friends, they feel like coworkers or something. I feel like Joker has no interest in his friends even more so than Minato/Makoto/Whatever from Persona 3
@@frogglen6350 but it's not like anyone actually remembered that untill the end was closing in. like dude i kinda just forgot why i kept jumping in a tv because hanging out with friends and saving people made me forget how this even started.
People begging for Persona games on the Switch when SMT V is on the way, smfh.
Exactly. I'm done with p5 it's a great game but it's time for Atlus to move on and get SMT V out now.
Imagine thinking Atlus has any plans on releasing that game smh. Ahahaha...it hurts my soul.
@Deku We're probably gonna have to pick up the slack by word of mouth or some shit just to keep the mainline series alive
*so much later that the old narrator got tired and they had to hire a new one*
This may be a dumb question but do I have to play older smt games to play v? Or is it a stand alone?
There are 3 tiers of Persona fans.
-Chill guys who want to introduce others to the series,
-the BreakFreePersona crew, Portbeggars, Hardcore Makoto stans, The boy(s) who cried Pedo, Pedos in and of themselves, etc.
-the entirety of r/OkBuddyPersona
BONUS- "This is my favorite game, and I'm so excited to play it for the first time."
why did I have to look up r/OkBuddyPersona
Which Makoto we talkin about
@@bigbang8739 P5 Makoto
@@yetravellingsonc8372 oh well can’t relate
If it was p3 Makoto tho, still nah I don’t stan fictional characters. I do think he’s cool tho
Don't ya think it's kind of disturbing that adult male p5 fans sexualize cartoon teen girls, at the very least it's pedo adjacent, not someone you would wanna leave alone with your daughter or niece
You know what’s funny. The people who spam this always have never actually played the game and always mains Joker in smash. Like Switch fans are the most entitled fan base. You don’t see PlayStation fans begging for Mario....
sure they do dont know what planet you're on
That comparison makes no sense.
Kanye 2020 How does it not?
@@aboi9596 He's right tho, I've unironically seen Nintendies want kratos in smash
I think exclusives are fucking stupid and in a better world we wouldn't have to buy a wholly different expensive console just to play that one game we'd like to play from that console, but the problem won't be solved by whining to one specific company to put one specific game on one specific console
Speaking as a fan who got into the MegaTen franchise because of Persona 3 FES, I love (almost) all of the games. The reason is likely because I tend to stay away from fandoms (literally any fandom) as much as possible.
Persona tends to tell their stories more about people who are still developing themselves and it lets some people have a relatively mature story at an easier to understand level.
SMT tends to tell bigger, more overarching stories that don't have as much time for the characters to have that sense of self-discovery in them (I've not played Digital Devil Saga yet, but they seem closest to being opposed to this point).
For the record, my favorite games being Personas 3, 2IS (still working on EP), and 5, as well as Devil Survivor and Nocturne. I also have played Persona 4, Devil Survivor 2, both of the Raidou Kuzunoha games, SMTIV and some of SMT Online: Imagine while it was still a thing.
TLDR: Persona and SMT are both great but for different reasons. I love the MegaTen franchise and want more of it.
The first Devil Survivor is awesome, you need to play it once you beat the others.
There’s a difference between fandom and community
SMT is for adults to do personal discovery, persona is for adolescents
@@blaze45ful Devil Survivor is an awesome game, I said in my comment that its one of my favorites.
Same here. I love both SMT and Persona, but the fanbase is complete toxic trash
Whoa he has a differing opinion from me 😲
That's fair.
whoa yankee with no brim 😲
Николай Русев is it okay if I persona3 fan lol
@Николай Русев whoa he has the good opinion
@@roslynnerentas8939 fine 😏
I told a dude I missed the mature, plot heavy games of P1 & 2 since I was getting into more mature and philosophical media. He told me along the lines of," I don't lol. P5 is better than both 1 &2. Cope and seethe loser lol". I think I won that argument if it was one.
"hate on their favourite game they've never played before" based
Jaja persona fans havent played the game please laugh
@@amala1333 have you tho? Don't lie
@@pixelpenguin0732 yeah replaying p5 cause i wanna plat it before i get p5 royal.
Finishing up 3 and 4, didnt really get into 1 and 2, but will soon.
And currently fighting Dante in Nocturne
@@amala1333 okay I respect that
We have reached u n i t y 🤝
the portbeg mostly come from smash fans, not persona fanbase in general.
Facts. Persona fans have already moved on this is the vocal minority of the Nintendo fanbase.
So true
Well when you put in a character that's there to promote a spinoff and not actually P5, that's shit marketing.
@@Violent_Wolfen Nintendo pays other company IP to include their characters to their games, what makes you think this is to promote other company IP?
are nintendo doing charity work now giving out money to advertise other company product? ofcourse its the other way around, its to bring Persona fans to play smash. the same applies to other IP as well.
"You can't even grind in that game (Devil Survivor)" BRUH, YOU CAN GRIND.
Exactly, free battles don’t even take up any in game time you can do it for as long as you wish.
Looks like someone didn't play the game lol
Was looking for this
Literally at ANY TIME you're not in the middle of some stort event you can just drop everything and grind away as much as you'd like
Also, saying DeSu is hard when you literally just gotta raise magic and/or spam Mystic Dance
I seriously doubt this persona played Devil Survivor past its introduction
18:04 - 18:27 that has aged so well
Bold of you to assume Atlus even remembers that they made Majin Tensei.
Well Devil Survivor is basically a rebooted Majin Tensei
(Simply) Dad has returned from his trip to the gas station!
He finally came back from getting those cigarettes.
Did he have any handshakes from the gas station attendants?
hopefully he doesn't go to walmart anytime soon. we'll all graduate by then
Persona 5 is honestly one of my favorite games (and yes i have played it) but the shit this guy was throwing at it was hilarious lmao
Agree. Him not liking P5 is his opinion, to which he's entitled to. Hell, I love P5 and I have to agree that there's a lot of dumb stuff thrown in there, as well as a few plot holes. The part about port beggers being toxic as shit was just straight up facts though, especially when the numbers tell a completely different story (i.e. the low sales for P5 Scramble on the Switch).
@@CidGuerreiro1234 that could change when scramble is out in the states. I feel like more people in the west will buy it on switch
soul 2431 atlus will be dicks to switch fans and every persona game from now on will get a switch port but not p5
@AtomowyMudkip96 nah i do disagree with him but i can understand where he is coming from which is why i find it funny
@AtomowyMudkip96 i semi-agree. Story wise i completely agree however gameolay wise its one of my favourite
The easiest way to figure out if any P5 fans actually played the game is if they compare Anonymous to the Phantom Thieves. Unless you didn't play the game, you'd know that Anonymous IS (technically) one of the "enemies" you fight in the form of Medjed.
Great video, dad, earned yourself a new sub.
lmao that was a great arc. I remember ryuji was like "We were stressed about a bunch of noobs when you were the real medjed the whole time Futaba, WHAT THE HELL"
This video has become more relevant after the recent SMT V and SMT Nocturne Remake announcement.
"FE fans hate FE the most"
Persona fans:
That statement was true until Three Houses came out. Most fans love the game myself included.
@@wombochrombo3610 to be fair that's only two games, Edelgard exists, and my point was that now Persona fans hate Persona the most, being the fanbase that took that away from FE
@@carlosnavafernandez7179 Ah I understand now.
Persona fans have two enemies: SMT fans and themselves
@@Vengarlhoodmoments I wouldn't say that Persona 3 or 4 are considered "normie" games at this point, especially not 3. 5 fits that description more IMO
I'm just disappointed with this fanbase, there's a reason why there's a disclaimer.
I’m gonna be honest, I really love Persona 3, 4, and 5, but I’ll still be the first person to tell you that the Persona fandom is some of the worst on the internet right now. Second only to Nintendo fans.
yes
theres a difference between a fan and a shill, and id say true nintendo fans are the ones who are currently appalled with nintendo
Yep.
eh sony fans are just as bad
Nintendo and Pokémon fans are unmatched when it comes to being trashy. Leave it to them to defend literally every awful design decision their company makes.
I came here a boy, and left a man. I am excited to try Persona 2
Please play it! It's the best and darkest one in the Persona series 💖
Hope you enjoy it.
"Darkest"
Tatsuya did an impression of a motorcycle engine
Funniest thing about the persona fandom is that they actually pushed me TOWARDS mainline by being so cringe and toxic. i started with 3 then 4 and by the time 5 was about to drop i had lost all interest and jumped into smt iv instead. which after playing p5, was a better use of my time tbh. I think 5 might be the most shallow jrpg i've played in a while
same bruh. I remember doing a rp and this one dude was being toxic and Cringy. It was up to the point where I want to outbranch and appreciate other titles like P1 and smt 3
He helps me out by doing that
As someone who has enjoyed Overwatch, Steven Universe, Rick and Morty, etc. let me tell ya... the "fanbase" you see on Twitter is not worth your time. Twitter is the absolute worst place to look for a representation of a fanbase, the people there are usually just trying to find something to complain about under some kind of mob mentality.
Do I think the reaction on Twitter is obnoxious and overblown? Yes. I still, however, would be happy if P5 was on Switch.
Also, not that I'm against the idea, but saying they should port the older games instead of porting P5 is pretty absurd. The older games can be played pretty easily through emulation, either on your phone or on PC. That's not the case however with P5. Not only that, but P5 has been their most financially successful game to date... why would they not prioritize that over older, more niche titles?
Regardless, I would be happy with ANY ports to ANY platform, because at the end of the day I just want these great games to be enjoyed by as many people as possible.
Zach Parks “Twitter is the absolute worse place to look for a representation of a fanbase” *phew* I’m glad somebody said it
ً yeah… And so what if they do? What does that have to do with anything they were talking about? You basically just made a pointless comment.
Tl;dr: dont ever, fucking use twitter
fire enthusiast imo everyone who doesnt meme on there is toxic so yeah nah f that
@ً "bruh, you have different taste than mine? Cringe, shame on you" -You
Why can't you let people like what they like, everyone has "guilty pleasures" and unironically liking something generally considered bad by most people doesn't make you stupid or inferior.
This didn't age well, did it?
*A big L for this guy to hold*
It did after all y'all pissona fans started malding on twitter even when it got released.
Most of what he said about the fanbase is still 100% correct, regardless of the new ports that just got announced.
@@sethfortune230 aww gonna cry?
@@jotarobogard I guess that’s one way to cope
I'm all in favor of Atlus bringing their older or more obscure series to newer consoles, but don't forget that Persona gained popularity for a reason.
I agree, I played persona 5 and enjoyed it but I honestly would like to get the chance to play the older games
I have played nearly every ATLUS SMT series game. Yes, the "P3-5 only" fans are a not the best. But seriously, I live in South Korea. Try liking K-pop and ever trying to have a "normal" conversation with Western KPOP fans... not gonna happen...
Which ones haven't you played? Lemme guess.. giten megami tensei and ronde? Maybe also some last bible games?
My experiences when seeing the kpop stans on the west are obnoxious as hell but when i take a look at some kpop groups on discord they are pretty chill only twitter stans are obnoxious
Man, poor you dude, K-pop stans are just like one of the worst, like most of them, some of them are hella cool
@@jackpreacher2562 some are chill especially on discord but on twitter? Nah, you stan someone they dont like, blocked.
@@abslzero i know right, they would literally ruin your life if you like someone they dont like, and theyre proud of it too, theyre all over tiktok saying "oMg wErE sOoOoOoOoo pOwErFuL dO noT mEsS wiTh uS!!!" imagine being petty and being proud of it, this is why i left the Kpop fandom smh.
6:09 you actually fell for patterson posting lmao
Bruh it's fun week for william to be featured in Twitter and here too lol
Like brah why is it easy to fall for it lol
His baits are tasty as fuck. I like that guy for making some sweet bait
Watching people fall for william posting is entertaining
This dude is amateur, give him a break
Nothing wrong with people liking a game and wanting it to be more available. You criticize the creator of the hashtag, as far as calling them a loser, which makes you no better than the fans you criticize. Your demeanor towards the topic is hypocritical for the message you're attempting to convey
I’m just glad to finally see someone call out this “break free persona” movement online. Every time Atlus posts something the first comment is always “yeah cool but how about P5 on switch”. For example when they announced Catherine on switch literally every comment was asking for P5 instead. Mainline Persona games have always been a PlayStation exclusive and will most likely remain an exclusive series for the PS consoles. If you want to support Atlus they have plenty of other amazing games that ARE exclusive for Nintendo consoles.
Etrian Odyssey on 3ds, it's the definitive way to play those games. Great soundtracks, fun gameplay.
Jessica Swann thank you someone finally understands
I just dont like the exclusivity nonsense. smt v should be on ps4 and p5 should be on switch. It would actually be pretty cool if they do a full body with p5r and release it on switch in a year with all dlc (its the only way I'm gonna buy p5r lol) the persona and smt teams aren't the same so idk why ppl are acting like porting p5r would halt progress on smt v or something
But yea there are a lot of fans who act like atlus is doing fuck all with Nintendo consoles when the best mainline game smt 4 is a Nintendo exclusive (still can't decide if i like nocturne more lol) and smt 5 and stuff.
I honestly think a full hd mainline game after the release of persona 5 with full effort into it is gonna change a lot between the megami tensei fans and the ppl who have only played (or watched) p5 and a lot of people are gonna get into mainline from it. I think a good amount of ppl don't wanna play iv or iva cuz they see them as inferior due to being on the 3ds and nocturne is too outdated and doesnt hold up.
but when smt v releases its gonna be the shiny new game and that point p5 will be like half a decade old.
Yeah I have no idea why Atlus would make their two most popular franchises on separate consoles lmao
The fans that act like that honestly confuse me. They say that they don’t want to play the 3DS SMT games because they’re outdated but they’re also the ones asking for ports of P3 and P4. I love Persona 3 but the battle system for it is so outdated (Sure, they could do a port for P3P for the improved battle mechanics but then that version reduces the game to a visual novel. Then there’s the whole issue with the femc lmao)
As for a P5R port, the Persona team is most likely working on the next P5 spin-off but if Scramble was on switch then I don’t see why the next spinoff wouldn’t be on it as well? Yeah it wouldn’t be mainline but it’s better than nothing. Plus there is always SMT V to look forward to if Atlus ever decides to actually give us some more news...
Honestly if Atlus was going to port any games to the switch I think the SMT franchise deserves it more than Persona. The franchise never got proper treatment outside of Japan and I’m sure a lot of people would be interested in a collection. I would actually buy a switch if it meant I could play every SMT game on the one console
@@jessicaswann4956 probably because sony paid good money for persona exclusivity
While I do think the trend is a bit much, I wouldn’t call this people “fake fans” of P5 because many of them don’t have PlayStations. Which is why they want it on the switch to experience the game and have the opportunity to become a true fan of Persona and may start buying the spinoffs or SMT games. That’s the reason why I haven’t bought any of this games, I only have Xbox one and Switch, so I can’t any of this games. At least until SMTV releases in 2040.
same
Biggest Fan I think the problem is PS4 fanboys have this lower class view of the Switch for some strange reason. However, PS4 fans review bombing Astral Chain, and now Animal Crossing, isn't really much different from toxic Persona 5 fans demanding a port to the Switch. Both sides are acting like spoiled children, but both fanbases also have great people, capable of acting like actual adults as well. I'm personally a Switch fan myself, as that's more my style, but I love the Persona series, and am now getting into the mainline SMT games.
@@theblindtechguy I mean yeah, for example just look at the fact that, while they're much rarer than the Persona ones, there are some decently toxic SMT V port beggars complaining about the fact that the game will not be on the PS4/5
Exacly
I really enjoy the story and when I call myself a fan of something I usually refer to the story because I cant play a game without a good one and as a broke teenager who cant get a job because of the virus its kinda closed minded not to see why people may want ports as in they cant afford said console.
video get switch port ?
Confirmed
Even I, a person who loves this game, can admit Haru needs screentime and more character
Fax. They ruined her screentime by adding that fake ass Morgana filler and shoe horned Kasumi in P5R. fucking incredibly lol
@@TheEmperorRaidou Yeah, I do really like Morgana but he is REALLY annoying in the Okumura arch
He even took Haru's entire arch.
The fact that there's such a hard divide between the persona and smt fans is cringe alone.
I personally just want the dungeon crawling elements. I found myself skipping most of the dialogue in P4 and 5 to just play in the dungeons or mementos.
P4's dialogue and characters (at least in the vanilla version) were at least less vomit-inducing than P5/P5R's cookie cutter anime trope characters.
I finished vanilla P5 on the PS3 and am slogging through P5R right now, I can't stand the way most of these characters behave most of the time.
Playing Ghost of Tsushima and Witcher 3 along alongside P5R really shows how much of a joke the game is overall in terms of character and writing.
@General Jiggler
You know.. I can't (completely) disagree with you there.
Though with P3 at least they still had some semblance of being relatable human beings in the manner they behaved. P4 was treading the line, P4 Golden went completely down the anime route, then P5 / P5R just went downhill even further.
I fear for the future of Persona if P5 and P5R are anything to go by in terms of the direction they're taking.
@@KamenRider1 out of those three P3 has the most realistic characters while P5 (i cant comment on P4/P4G because i havent played it yet) i just cant really relate to them maybe only one or two characters and oh my god Kasumi kinda pissed me off
Haha Persona 5 for the Switch.
Imagine Shin Megami Tensei V being confirmed for the Swi... oh, right. SMT V was going to come out for the Switch. Unlucky
Smt v might come on the next nintendo console at this point.
@@avengedlol6698 It's just in developement hell much like P5 was itself as he pointed out in the video.
NiLink NoLa
The Japanese CERO ratings are suspended at the time of this comment because of the demonetized (hey that sounds like demon, and this is a series about demons ha), so even if they are at a decent point in development, we still won't see anything until next year.
Yeah this sucks.
@@JackFrostAegirine wasnt it only supposed to be suspended for like a month though? I could've swore I read that somewhere
I really would like to try a modern day smt, see if it lives up to how much its fans hype it up
As a mainline Shin Megami Tensei fan, I love Persona 1, 2, 3 & 4...However I really have a grudge towards Persona 5 and really it's annoying fans are particularly the reason (plus the fact I find the game overrated, even among other Persona games)
What I appreciate about Shin Megami Tensei is a multitude of things. It's messages are more complex and speak on more fundamental topics than Persona can even muster to talk about. I respect Persona and it's atmosphere, but it won't come close to what SMT presents (if you ask me)
not helping by being this way lmfao sitting on top of some high horse just because you prefer X over Y is exactly why we get called elitist for liking SMT to begin with. (Which this video seemingly fails to acknowledge is also a problem within the smt / persona discourse, because of course not. that wouldnt really fit the narrative of victimizing SMT fans, would it? Both sides should be held accountable😒) saying things like "X could never come close to Y" is just so condescending and obnoxious. Then we sit back and wonder why neoPersona fans have a hard time getting into mainline games yet we say shit like this lmfao
@@justsomeguy727
"High Horse"
>Praises Persona 1-4 and even acknowledges it's good in it's own right
Legit shut up because nobody asked you, I was giving my opinion and not remotely treating SMT as objectively better than Persona. You must be one of those salty Persona 5 fanatics because literally no other reason would you have to respond to my comment in such a manner to where it comes off as salty
Additionally, there is no narrative that's being twisted, that genuinely just is the case. SMT fans as a whole have been screwed by Atlus in favor of Atlus milking Persona and you act like that doesn't strike a nerve when for the longest, SMT has been the series that kept Atlus afloat and they don't even give it just as much respect as Persona. Again, this isn't about narratives, look at the facts, Atlus cares more about a side series than the mainline and reasonably speaking, SMT fans are a bit annoyed
I don't like Persona 5's fans, in fact I kept myself unaware of their existence due to knowing how mainstream Persona 5 is, when I found out how stupid they were, it made me grateful I had ignored them.
It's a shame you're wrong
@@escaillaa9177 10/10 response
Everything I saidjd went over your head