@@martinvr12 true, but i have to admit that when GTA6 kicks in people may be disappointed because rendering a whole city with tens of thousands of people probably will not be that vital and distinct than the realtivley small settlements and NPC amounts of RDR2 - and probably GTA6 will not have that much nature and wildlife wich made a huge amount of the experience in my opinion. AND GTA is more of a sartire so the story will be propably not that deep again. I hope i am wrong, Rockstar suprises me since nearly 20y and i hope they do it again.
What I really love about Red Dead 2 is that it isn't just beautiful because they carefully placed every light source and shadow and light ray like they were making a painting. They just put together a bunch of very realistic systems simulating things like clouds, sunlight, shadows, and global illumination, and the beauty just... happens on its own. When you wake up early on a foggy morning at Horseshoe Overlook, those beautiful rays of light poking through the leaves don't happen just because an artist at Rockstar made it so. They happen because the game is simulating what things would naturally look like in those conditions. It's a result of the low rising sun interacting with cool morning fog passing through the leaves of the forest around you. And just like here, with the rainbows. Why are there rainbows in the clouds where no player would see it? Because those are conditions where you'd see a rainbow. Like you said: consistency.
First off, the reason RDR is gorgeous can be summed up in a single word: America. The most art can do is imitate, but never replace what God's hand rests over. But beyond that my experience is similar to yours, for years I've been trying to find what differentiates RDR2 visually, beyond that of other AAA games, that makes it so closely match early American landscape paintings, and I believe it mainly boils down to shadowing. Landscape artists will selectively lighten and darken parts of the image based on cloud cover to create a moody effect, which RDR2 can replicate due to the fact their clouds are volumetric; the process of projecting a shadow from a cloud map is the same as other games, but they soften the map based off the cloud's distance to the ground, and factor the cloud's density to calculate what percentage of sunlight the cloud obscures - both very fast operations that reuse byproducts of their cloud rendering pipeline, yet entirely define the game's aesthetic. Also, the rainbows are not physically based but rather an illusion, neat right? Find out more here: www.advances.realtimerendering.com/s2019/slides_public_release.pptx
@@locinolacolino1302 It's all about the Hudson River School of Art movement and the Luminism style. Those 2 artistic movements are all about the american landscape, and it is what gives RDR2 that same powerful feeling. It is all a system in the game, yes, but with that creative direction in mind.
Pretty sure HZD had Volumetric Clouds, and that came out before RDR2. But what Rockstar was able to accomplish with this tech was far better than what gorilla did w/ volumetrics.
Its crazy when you realize that volumetric clouds have been an experimental feature in unreal engine 5 for a very long time after this game released. Way ahead of its time graphically.
AAA Devs: Make it look nice :) Rockstar: Make sure you simulate the water physics properly if a limb gets removed, oh and ensure that the blood will coagulate properly over time, unless it's raining of course, in which case it should flow into a drain.
yep, only the biggest studios can afford teams of very talented people working on a single feature and nothing else for more than a year.. I'm wondering how they don't burn out
Yeah the euphoria thing is huge. I do kinda feel like they are nerfing it every release since GTA IV. To me - I'd happily sacrifice graphics over physics.
@@CasualG-merRockstar don't piss about with their games, unlike CDPR's rushed Cyberpunk 2077 which was, honestly, extremely underwhelming considering how hyped up it was. Also, with this I can say with certainty that GTA VI will be a very close match against RDR2, if not even better really
What elevates the map of RDR2 compared to the map of say Cyberpunk or Watch Dogs 3 is that every tree, every boulder, every path, every house, they were all placed there with a purpose. They didn't just copy and paste to make it easier on them, they physically went out of there way to make it unique and detailed in ways that Saints Row could never do.
What did you say about cyberpunk and saints row Even though people stop hating cyberpunk after the recent updates as well as phantom Liberty coming out soon also I do hope saints row fix up its franchise to be honest since we obviously need a rival to GTA (mainly 6) Hater Although I do agree Red Dead redemption 2 kind of have a lot of attention to detail for Rockstar
@@Thawhid to be honest competing yourself doesn't really sound something to be honest I like other companies do different takes Anyways can't wait for the GTA VI trailer tonight
@@changsiah2 and its out bro!!!!!! A day early. But yea at this point Rockstar are their own competitors, think about it. There's no comparison for them. Most comparisons compare the positives of GTA 4 to 5 because other franchises aren't on their level
@@Thawhid all right I saw the trailer and it was pretty good but nothing spectacular for me yet to be honest mostly showing cuz of the bill the world building and the more modern times but I feel like I want to wait until a bit more as well as game play Also secondly I do feel like it's a little a year early to release it and but I guess they were the ones that build up some hype as well as it's their 25th anniversary so another year of GTA V before
The main issue, and I know we all know this, is that other companies have learned that they do not need to do what R* does in order to make money. If the core market for games decided as a group that anything less than RDR2-level clouds would result in an unprofitable release, then developers would essentially evolve to include those kinds of clouds or they'd stop making games all together. The reason why we continue to increase the amount of bullshit in games is because that bullshit directly increases profits. Wasn't it like 50% of all of EA's revenue last year was just MTX? Other companies hear this and think, "Oh, so I guess the primary market doesn't actually care about MTX and will happily engage with it." That's basically what the "death of the AA game" means. You have the data driven slogs that are created from the C-suite down on one side, and small team indie darlings on the other. There are exceptions obviously, but what we call "exceptions" today was just what all games were a couple of decades ago. Also I guess Nintendo doesn't count for the sake of this argument lol. But like, anytime you find yourself asking "Wait, this is worse than before, this is a bad product, why aren't they making things in the way I like?" it's sadly because you are no longer part of the relevant market base they are targeting. I'm 35 now, been gaming since the SNES era. It's been great until that damned horse armor in Oblivion. Can you imagine? The entire "gamer-sphere" collectively REEEEEEEing about a single piece of optional cosmetic DLC? That was the beginning of the end. Also shit like WoW too, since it basically was the original template for the Games As A Service model showing that regular incremental income over time was a much better business model than one-time purchases. I dunno. Anyway I love your videos Karl! The reloads, the ragdolls, the technical demonstrations and explanations (I hope I'm not the only one). It's all neat :) As I get older I find myself more interested by the industry news and the technical side of things. If more people were interested in how games are made, we might see a shift in actually caring about the wellbeing of developers who are often forced to make fast, dirty, and exploitative mechanics because it's "do it or you're fired" from on high. /rant
Shout out to Pierre, the main lighting expert that worked on this game, he also was behind the cloud system, after leaving Rockstar, he is now behind the cloud and sky system for Unity
the thing about volumetric clouds is that console players cannot see them, cuz photo mode dont let us go where we want, even pc players, the only way we can see it is by doing the bridge fling glitch or getting mods. (cant even get 30 fps on my goofy low end laptop, but still beated the game, stay strong.)
"Rockstar’s dedication to detail is a large reason why their games are so well made" - that and the severe burn-out of crunch culture plus a good helping of sexual harassment.
Ubisoft: Hold my croissant Rockstar's HQ in New York is run by a bunch of Brits with upmost standards of etiquette, It is my educated speculate the sexual allegations are amongst Take Two's attorneys.
do love it when ppl examine games in a way players do not normally see :D so many games have hidden easter eggs, or have something you just want a closer look at, like that thing that pulls you under water in INSIDE....
Its not the same rockstar anymore and they are more into money now.. Lets see how they'll gonna make gta6 without half of the real rockstar soul and members
well with their games genuinely they NEVER fuck around. say what you want about their marketing and their other company practices, but rockstar has not changed gamewise and still puts the same soul in them as they always have.
There’s a mission when you have to scope out the prison that John Martson was being held at and you use a Hot Air Balloon to essentially fly over to the prison and you go above the clouds, I believe this is why it was added.
@@KommanderKarl Ah shoot sorry! It was actually genuinely cool to see attention to detail in red dead that wasn't just "ooh horse balls". It shows the amount of care that is put into the world, making it feel so much more real!!
rdr2 is so well made that sometimes i just forget its a video game and gaze into the sky , the clouds and mountains in the distance with awe and take photographs like im on tour i imagine something like this in in my childhood but it finally came true cannot wait for gta 6 it will be made in modern times and look even more life like than any other games
Rockstar's story modes are vast, intricately crafted masterpieces in and outside of gaming, and yet somehow they've never figured out how to make their multiplayer just as good
R*'s and Unreal's implementation conserves energy a but better, since they simulate several octaves of multiple scattering by taking the weighted sum of several ray marching samples.
You know what else is I think behind their success, like the clouds? Good leadership. Good team managers listening to their teams and their ideas and not being afraid to take risks or put in a little more time and money, within reason. I think RDR2 had some good developers.
A very minor nitpick: I think the people that make/made Euphoria ragdoll physics are no longer licensing it to developers. So Rockstar are the only devs that (still) have a valid license and everyone else would have to do all the hard coding work themselves if they wanted to catch up. I think holding this one system against other studios is unfair due to the license no longer being available. All other systems are fair game. But apart from this one aspect: Yes, why don't other devs have more global systems that can interact in interesting ways (and can be reused in future games)? Also, excellent video.
Why implement this way up in the clouds? Oh, because it also works down here near the ground! vs They included a rainbow effect in mists on the ground and it even works on the clouds in the sky.
Rockstar is 10 years ahead of other companies. The physics, destruction and ragdoll mechanics from GTA 5 are still unmatched in new titles. They make the same graphics for their games, but everything is static and glued to the ground. We will see a world as complex, organic and vibrant as that created in RDR2 in the next 10 years, at the end of the next generation, PS6. Assassin's Creed, watch dogs, or my beloved Cyberpunk are abysmal.
now we know why it takes so long for gta games to come out I honestly don't really care for these details but I guess its good for the people that want them
Horizon Zero Dawn & Horizon Forbidden West do this as well, though with continuos weather changes, and Guerilla Games didnt overwork & underpay their devs to do it, unlike Rockstar
I doubt we'll ever get something quite like RDR2 again, this game is a labour of all of their studios efforts combined across the globe for 5 years (2000 people if you factor outsourcing) and yet they still resorted to debilitating crunch? Clearly they're drawing themselves too thin. I'm calling it, gaming has officially peaked, and we've knew it during the PS3 era with the Batman Arkham series.
lol those games are some beta prototype compared to RDR 2 biggest and most detailed open world (while at the same time having the best physics and graphics)
I LOVE absolutely LOVE rdr2 but I believe these volumetric clouds were just testing for GTA 6, I mean like seriously, you never actually get to appreciate them up close because there is only one mission in the game were you fly which is the hot air balloon mission (please don't get on my ass if there's more hot air balloon missions) but in GTA 5 you are in the sky a lot with trevor and messing around with planes a lot which there will definitely be more airborne missions like the GTA 5 ones in GTA 6
While the attention to detail is incredible in many aspects, there are a lot of things Rockstar does very poorly, for example shooting on consoles is just bad. I'm actually glad other studios don't follow the same design philosophy. People who want incredible detail in their games can play Rockstar games, people who want basic gameplay mechanics to be good (such as shooting) can play other titles, so everyone can enjoy what they prefer.
I think its not about other dev doesn't want to replicate the amount of details that R* games has, but they simply can't, restricted with budget and time. You included mafia definitive edition and CP2077 there, but Hangar 13 or CDPR is nowhere near has the same infrastructure as R* have, the industry giant. The only difference between Hangar 13 and CDPR is that one knows their limitation so they scale their game scope to what they can afford and the other one often aims too high from what they are capable of, so the final result is much much more messier than they hoped for. For Watch Dogs, Ubisoft might be big, but they're still far below R* number. Plus they also managed the money themselves, so putting out products as fast as possible to keep the revenue going kinda makes sense strategy for them to survive, eventhough their product sometimes suffers because of it.
I think that most game devs think that this level of detail is just not worth the effort, they have other things to iron out or work on before the rest of the graphics. Just different priorities for most of them
Microsoft flight simulator doesn't look like an early American painting now, does it. Ripping models from Google maps 3D viewer doesn't substitute actual art direction. Also, by physics do you mean cloud physics or object physics? Because implementing interactive details in RDR2 is a whole other beast compared to adding physics to a plane.
While it is impressive from a technical and graphical standpoint, I don’t really see what it has to do with making the game good. I mean, RDR2’s gameplay and story would still be the same if they didn’t have volumetric clouds, snow deformation, and so on. Honestly, I’m glad most other developers don’t go for this level of detail, since that would make most games difficult to run on low end PCs and inflate development budgets, just for some cosmetic improvements.
RS games are good and all but, damn, do they have you meet with so much troubles, incredibly long long loading times that end up in the game freezing, game not loading, kicking you out of the game mid session or mission to name a few but, what i consider the most annoying problem to date is that RSG launcher starting in offline and not letting you play or redeem a single game, until you use a vpn, what's that all about? so far, RSG is the ONLY company to do such a scumbag move so far and boy, do i hate that crap, especially when you pay good money to these people.
Visually it's beautiful, but it's boring and tedious as heck imo Now I would love to see a Bethesda world with rockstars aesthetics and attention to detail
Are you seriously trying to compare RDR2 to games made literally TWO DECADES ago? They may not stand up to modern games, but that's completely irrelevant. You're obviously too young to know that GTA 3 was a massive leap for console games for its time.
The level of detail in RDR2 still surprises me to this day. It's so incredible.
@TreeckoBro ikr that’s the main reason why I play it
I thought you said R2-D2 from Star Wars
No other game has come close to the attention to detail of this game ever since, only one that can beat it is rockstars themselves.
@@martinvr12 true, but i have to admit that when GTA6 kicks in people may be disappointed because rendering a whole city with tens of thousands of people probably will not be that vital and distinct than the realtivley small settlements and NPC amounts of RDR2 - and probably GTA6 will not have that much nature and wildlife wich made a huge amount of the experience in my opinion. AND GTA is more of a sartire so the story will be propably not that deep again. I hope i am wrong, Rockstar suprises me since nearly 20y and i hope they do it again.
Absolutely and yet I really don't care for it. I haven't the slightest interest in it's story or the characters, since I'm not a fan of the setting.
What I really love about Red Dead 2 is that it isn't just beautiful because they carefully placed every light source and shadow and light ray like they were making a painting. They just put together a bunch of very realistic systems simulating things like clouds, sunlight, shadows, and global illumination, and the beauty just... happens on its own.
When you wake up early on a foggy morning at Horseshoe Overlook, those beautiful rays of light poking through the leaves don't happen just because an artist at Rockstar made it so. They happen because the game is simulating what things would naturally look like in those conditions. It's a result of the low rising sun interacting with cool morning fog passing through the leaves of the forest around you. And just like here, with the rainbows. Why are there rainbows in the clouds where no player would see it? Because those are conditions where you'd see a rainbow. Like you said: consistency.
First off, the reason RDR is gorgeous can be summed up in a single word: America. The most art can do is imitate, but never replace what God's hand rests over.
But beyond that my experience is similar to yours, for years I've been trying to find what differentiates RDR2 visually, beyond that of other AAA games, that makes it so closely match early American landscape paintings, and I believe it mainly boils down to shadowing. Landscape artists will selectively lighten and darken parts of the image based on cloud cover to create a moody effect, which RDR2 can replicate due to the fact their clouds are volumetric; the process of projecting a shadow from a cloud map is the same as other games, but they soften the map based off the cloud's distance to the ground, and factor the cloud's density to calculate what percentage of sunlight the cloud obscures - both very fast operations that reuse byproducts of their cloud rendering pipeline, yet entirely define the game's aesthetic.
Also, the rainbows are not physically based but rather an illusion, neat right?
Find out more here: www.advances.realtimerendering.com/s2019/slides_public_release.pptx
@@locinolacolino1302 It's all about the Hudson River School of Art movement and the Luminism style. Those 2 artistic movements are all about the american landscape, and it is what gives RDR2 that same powerful feeling. It is all a system in the game, yes, but with that creative direction in mind.
Pretty sure HZD had Volumetric Clouds, and that came out before RDR2. But what Rockstar was able to accomplish with this tech was far better than what gorilla did w/ volumetrics.
@@locinolacolino1302eh theres other places in the world that are also beautiful
and i love that
Its crazy when you realize that volumetric clouds have been an experimental feature in unreal engine 5 for a very long time after this game released. Way ahead of its time graphically.
There are a lot of ways of doing them, San Andreas already had a very primitive technique for volumetric clouds.
@@YOEL_44I just remembered
and out of all, RDR2 and microsoft flight simulator had the best ones.@@YOEL_44
AAA Devs: Make it look nice :)
Rockstar: Make sure you simulate the water physics properly if a limb gets removed, oh and ensure that the blood will coagulate properly over time, unless it's raining of course, in which case it should flow into a drain.
Lmao i love that as a R☆ fan
Attention to detail is a luxury most game development studios can't afford unfortunately.
But if they focus on Systems, like this one, then it adds details in places without any further work being necessary.
yep, only the biggest studios can afford teams of very talented people working on a single feature and nothing else for more than a year.. I'm wondering how they don't burn out
It's a fools game any game can be good without attention to detail
@@huiAPPOAJ They do, devs on Rdr2 were sadly overworked
@@ArshTimeYT an open world game should have alot of attention to the smallest details possible
This was an EXCELLENT 2 minutes, well done! Looking forward to seeing more.
The main reason I play Rockstar games. GTA V was a big stepdown compared to IV, but RDR2 brought back a lot of that insane level of detail
GTA IV was a wet dream but it was also a big stepdown from San Andreas
@@DIRTY.WORK-Inc about time someone said it
GTA 5 was a big step down because they released on the same console
Finally someone with a brain.@@DIRTY.WORK-Inc
@@lacryingbaby3005 Before GTA V this sentiment was everywhere on the internet
Yeah the euphoria thing is huge. I do kinda feel like they are nerfing it every release since GTA IV.
To me - I'd happily sacrifice graphics over physics.
Yeah! I don't give a shot about graphics I want physics. Something that back4blood vs left4dead showed me.
This is Rockstar, if they can do both things at once, they will do it with full force and actually take their time with it.
no
@@CasualG-merRockstar don't piss about with their games, unlike CDPR's rushed Cyberpunk 2077 which was, honestly, extremely underwhelming considering how hyped up it was. Also, with this I can say with certainty that
GTA VI will be a very close match against RDR2, if not even better really
One day we’ll have both😄
Incredible detail! Thanks for sharing.
What elevates the map of RDR2 compared to the map of say Cyberpunk or Watch Dogs 3 is that every tree, every boulder, every path, every house, they were all placed there with a purpose. They didn't just copy and paste to make it easier on them, they physically went out of there way to make it unique and detailed in ways that Saints Row could never do.
What did you say about cyberpunk and saints row
Even though people stop hating cyberpunk after the recent updates as well as phantom Liberty coming out soon also I do hope saints row fix up its franchise to be honest since we obviously need a rival to GTA (mainly 6)
Hater
Although I do agree Red Dead redemption 2 kind of have a lot of attention to detail for Rockstar
@@changsiah2atp Rockstar are competitors of themselves. The leaks prove even further. It's GTA 6 vs RDR2 now
@@Thawhid to be honest competing yourself doesn't really sound something to be honest I like other companies do different takes
Anyways can't wait for the GTA VI trailer tonight
@@changsiah2 and its out bro!!!!!! A day early. But yea at this point Rockstar are their own competitors, think about it. There's no comparison for them. Most comparisons compare the positives of GTA 4 to 5 because other franchises aren't on their level
@@Thawhid all right I saw the trailer and it was pretty good but nothing spectacular for me yet to be honest mostly showing cuz of the bill the world building and the more modern times but I feel like I want to wait until a bit more as well as game play
Also secondly I do feel like it's a little a year early to release it and but I guess they were the ones that build up some hype as well as it's their 25th anniversary so another year of GTA V before
You should create a separate channel for your game engine/system analysis. They're so well done and written!
Big advantage of making actual 3d clouds in a game: It helps with lighting, mood and atmosphere, also it looks and feels damn realistic.
The main issue, and I know we all know this, is that other companies have learned that they do not need to do what R* does in order to make money. If the core market for games decided as a group that anything less than RDR2-level clouds would result in an unprofitable release, then developers would essentially evolve to include those kinds of clouds or they'd stop making games all together.
The reason why we continue to increase the amount of bullshit in games is because that bullshit directly increases profits. Wasn't it like 50% of all of EA's revenue last year was just MTX? Other companies hear this and think, "Oh, so I guess the primary market doesn't actually care about MTX and will happily engage with it."
That's basically what the "death of the AA game" means. You have the data driven slogs that are created from the C-suite down on one side, and small team indie darlings on the other. There are exceptions obviously, but what we call "exceptions" today was just what all games were a couple of decades ago. Also I guess Nintendo doesn't count for the sake of this argument lol.
But like, anytime you find yourself asking "Wait, this is worse than before, this is a bad product, why aren't they making things in the way I like?" it's sadly because you are no longer part of the relevant market base they are targeting. I'm 35 now, been gaming since the SNES era. It's been great until that damned horse armor in Oblivion. Can you imagine? The entire "gamer-sphere" collectively REEEEEEEing about a single piece of optional cosmetic DLC? That was the beginning of the end. Also shit like WoW too, since it basically was the original template for the Games As A Service model showing that regular incremental income over time was a much better business model than one-time purchases. I dunno.
Anyway I love your videos Karl! The reloads, the ragdolls, the technical demonstrations and explanations (I hope I'm not the only one). It's all neat :) As I get older I find myself more interested by the industry news and the technical side of things. If more people were interested in how games are made, we might see a shift in actually caring about the wellbeing of developers who are often forced to make fast, dirty, and exploitative mechanics because it's "do it or you're fired" from on high. /rant
2:00 unfortunately they don't care
I can't believe this game is almost 5 years old now. And it's still the best looking game IMO.
Yes.
Shout out to Pierre, the main lighting expert that worked on this game, he also was behind the cloud system, after leaving Rockstar, he is now behind the cloud and sky system for Unity
Ouch how the mighty have fallen
the thing about volumetric clouds is that console players cannot see them, cuz photo mode dont let us go where we want, even pc players, the only way we can see it is by doing the bridge fling glitch or getting mods.
(cant even get 30 fps on my goofy low end laptop, but still beated the game, stay strong.)
Red dead redemption 2 is not a game
It’s an incredible journey through old American history
Don't expect them to improve further for future games, with half of the core members missing, R* is now little more than the name.
"core members", as if they don't have 1800 talented devs, writers and engineers.
@@cypressdogsy425 Its like new marvel movies/ star wars - its an entire town in the credits yet the movies suck ass.
@@yourcommander3412 you're comparing R* and Marvel?
@@cypressdogsy425 What do they have not to be comparable?
@@YOEL_44 Rockstar is the standard of the industry, marvel isn't, just quit pretending...
"Rockstar’s dedication to detail is a large reason why their games are so well made" - that and the severe burn-out of crunch culture plus a good helping of sexual harassment.
Ubisoft: Hold my croissant
Rockstar's HQ in New York is run by a bunch of Brits with upmost standards of etiquette, It is my educated speculate the sexual allegations are amongst Take Two's attorneys.
RIP RDO, wish rockstar wouldnt have killed it
The fact without mods or glitches/exploits the only time we see these clouds is during the hot air balloon ride to the prison.
do love it when ppl examine games in a way players do not normally see :D
so many games have hidden easter eggs,
or have something you just want a closer look at, like that thing that pulls you under water in INSIDE....
1:00
It's probably because with a hot air balloon you can get into the clouds,
Its not the same rockstar anymore and they are more into money now.. Lets see how they'll gonna make gta6 without half of the real rockstar soul and members
well with their games genuinely they NEVER fuck around. say what you want about their marketing and their other company practices, but rockstar has not changed gamewise and still puts the same soul in them as they always have.
Its amazing how much gaming has improved. We went from pixels to creating literal clouds in a computer
There’s a mission when you have to scope out the prison that John Martson was being held at and you use a Hot Air Balloon to essentially fly over to the prison and you go above the clouds, I believe this is why it was added.
Great showcase. Love these details.
No reloads, lost interest.
(jk this was cool to see)
Got me for a second there lol
@@KommanderKarl Ah shoot sorry! It was actually genuinely cool to see attention to detail in red dead that wasn't just "ooh horse balls". It shows the amount of care that is put into the world, making it feel so much more real!!
rdr2 is so well made that sometimes i just forget its a video game and gaze into the sky , the clouds and mountains in the distance with awe and take photographs like im on tour
i imagine something like this in in my childhood but it finally came true
cannot wait for gta 6 it will be made in modern times and look even more life like than any other games
If that was 5 years ago imagine gta6😊
The rainbow part blew me away
Just imagine how will gta 6 look like
Hopefully ps5 will not get burn when we turn it on
Huh I didnt thought about it. Nice to know!
Actually there's a mission in story mode where you can go up high and see that
Sometimes, after the rain, you can see rainbows
The rainbow is God's symbol of grace over America, a reminder he will never let the flood happen again after every time it rains.
@@locinolacolino1302Yup
“You live in the clouds”
Then you remember all the crunch the developers were put through.
Rockstar's story modes are vast, intricately crafted masterpieces in and outside of gaming, and yet somehow they've never figured out how to make their multiplayer just as good
Theres no need for multiplayer.
@@MCB-95 There really isnt, but the cash cow goes moo
Finally someone that realizes that other games also have volumetric clouds and not just horizon forbidden west
R*'s and Unreal's implementation conserves energy a but better, since they simulate several octaves of multiple scattering by taking the weighted sum of several ray marching samples.
You know what else is I think behind their success, like the clouds? Good leadership. Good team managers listening to their teams and their ideas and not being afraid to take risks or put in a little more time and money, within reason. I think RDR2 had some good developers.
Wonder how many they burned out with the insane crunch?
@@Kerze Right? They clearly had great talent and lower level leadership, but probably lost of those people at the end.
So wholesome
A very minor nitpick: I think the people that make/made Euphoria ragdoll physics are no longer licensing it to developers. So Rockstar are the only devs that (still) have a valid license and everyone else would have to do all the hard coding work themselves if they wanted to catch up. I think holding this one system against other studios is unfair due to the license no longer being available. All other systems are fair game.
But apart from this one aspect: Yes, why don't other devs have more global systems that can interact in interesting ways (and can be reused in future games)?
Also, excellent video.
JK FlipdivingTM is still available online
wish theyd update in a realistic way, storms just builds up in a few secs and goes away almost instantly : /
i still dont know how they optimized the game so good
Bro really grilled watchdogs and mafia😂😂😂
Why implement this way up in the clouds?
Oh, because it also works down here near the ground!
vs
They included a rainbow effect in mists on the ground
and it even works on the clouds in the sky.
how do you fly around like that with rampage?
Why Rockstar make the best *environments*
Agree. Gorgeous looking, and exquisitely detailed environments. But I couldn't get into the story/gameplay loop AT ALL and sold it after a few days
Make me wonder how good will be gta 6?
And i thought the lensflair on dusk was peak graphics
Rockstar is 10 years ahead of other companies. The physics, destruction and ragdoll mechanics from GTA 5 are still unmatched in new titles. They make the same graphics for their games, but everything is static and glued to the ground. We will see a world as complex, organic and vibrant as that created in RDR2 in the next 10 years, at the end of the next generation, PS6. Assassin's Creed, watch dogs, or my beloved Cyberpunk are abysmal.
rockstar is truly the master of open world gaming.
make a video about gore systems in video games
Even after all those details, you can still launch yourself to mexico by simply throwing a throwing knife lol
what did he use to get up to the clouds
Noclip mod or freecam which is not. Mod
This how I know GTA 6 is gonna blow our minds in terms of the open world
Most beautiful game ever made
this is why RDR2 and GTA5 are masterpiece games
now we know why it takes so long for gta games to come out
I honestly don't really care for these details but I guess its good for the people that want them
Horizon Zero Dawn & Horizon Forbidden West do this as well, though with continuos weather changes, and Guerilla Games didnt overwork & underpay their devs to do it, unlike Rockstar
I doubt we'll ever get something quite like RDR2 again, this game is a labour of all of their studios efforts combined across the globe for 5 years (2000 people if you factor outsourcing) and yet they still resorted to debilitating crunch? Clearly they're drawing themselves too thin.
I'm calling it, gaming has officially peaked, and we've knew it during the PS3 era with the Batman Arkham series.
lol those games are some beta prototype compared to RDR 2 biggest and most detailed open world (while at the same time having the best physics and graphics)
I LOVE absolutely LOVE rdr2 but I believe these volumetric clouds were just testing for GTA 6, I mean like seriously, you never actually get to appreciate them up close because there is only one mission in the game were you fly which is the hot air balloon mission (please don't get on my ass if there's more hot air balloon missions) but in GTA 5 you are in the sky a lot with trevor and messing around with planes a lot which there will definitely be more airborne missions like the GTA 5 ones in GTA 6
You’re exactly correct! In fact most of RDR 2 was basically a tech demonstration for the kind of visuals we can expect in GTA 6
The only game I know doing the same insane detail is Star Citizen. :)
rockstar and valve 🔥💯
Seeing how good rdr 2 is makes more even more excited about gta 6
I like this video!
Keep it going man!
While the attention to detail is incredible in many aspects, there are a lot of things Rockstar does very poorly, for example shooting on consoles is just bad. I'm actually glad other studios don't follow the same design philosophy. People who want incredible detail in their games can play Rockstar games, people who want basic gameplay mechanics to be good (such as shooting) can play other titles, so everyone can enjoy what they prefer.
My graphics card says no.
you're right, fokin right
Why can’t we get 60fps on console 😢
I think its not about other dev doesn't want to replicate the amount of details that R* games has, but they simply can't, restricted with budget and time. You included mafia definitive edition and CP2077 there, but Hangar 13 or CDPR is nowhere near has the same infrastructure as R* have, the industry giant. The only difference between Hangar 13 and CDPR is that one knows their limitation so they scale their game scope to what they can afford and the other one often aims too high from what they are capable of, so the final result is much much more messier than they hoped for. For Watch Dogs, Ubisoft might be big, but they're still far below R* number. Plus they also managed the money themselves, so putting out products as fast as possible to keep the revenue going kinda makes sense strategy for them to survive, eventhough their product sometimes suffers because of it.
It’s too bad you can’t fly in that game to fully appreciate the scenery and clouds.
Saving it for gta 6
GTA 5 still feels oddly lifeless to me. There’s plenty of little details but GTA4 and RDR2 seemed to have a lot more
Gta6 will be amazing
Cool!
Fascinating
I kind of want to get RDR2 not because I like the western theme, not the story, I just want to tour the world
¡The world is flat!, at least in RDR2
I think that most game devs think that this level of detail is just not worth the effort, they have other things to iron out or work on before the rest of the graphics. Just different priorities for most of them
I'd rather they concentrate on making the game fun, but that's becoming a lost art nowadays
Why i love gen game
These are NOICE
point taken
They are tests for gta6
i love myself a rdr video, cant not click it :D
The funny thing is that Microsoft flight simulator has better ones in terms of visuals and physics
Microsoft flight simulator doesn't look like an early American painting now, does it. Ripping models from Google maps 3D viewer doesn't substitute actual art direction.
Also, by physics do you mean cloud physics or object physics? Because implementing interactive details in RDR2 is a whole other beast compared to adding physics to a plane.
PHYSICS??? WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
@@locinolacolino1302 im talking about cloud phyisics.
While it is impressive from a technical and graphical standpoint, I don’t really see what it has to do with making the game good. I mean, RDR2’s gameplay and story would still be the same if they didn’t have volumetric clouds, snow deformation, and so on. Honestly, I’m glad most other developers don’t go for this level of detail, since that would make most games difficult to run on low end PCs and inflate development budgets, just for some cosmetic improvements.
Kinda like war thunder!
so realistic!
It's a shame the gameplay isn't as refined.
I'd love to see a Rockstar Game with immersive sim elements.
RS games are good and all but, damn, do they have you meet with so much troubles, incredibly long long loading times that end up in the game freezing, game not loading, kicking you out of the game mid session or mission to name a few but, what i consider the most annoying problem to date is that RSG launcher starting in offline and not letting you play or redeem a single game, until you use a vpn, what's that all about? so far, RSG is the ONLY company to do such a scumbag move so far and boy, do i hate that crap, especially when you pay good money to these people.
Dond forgor to compile drivers 💀
@@locinolacolino1302 Sorry, i don't understand your tongue/dialect.
@@lordfyita2096 Recompile drivers
@@locinolacolino1302 Didn't work.
Laughs in SA remake.
You're sounding like the "boundaries break" dude
Thsts pretty cool :D
Visually it's beautiful, but it's boring and tedious as heck imo
Now I would love to see a Bethesda world with rockstars aesthetics and attention to detail
I love gushing over graphics systems like this.
Bro really said that after the release of GTA trilogy Definitive Edition 😂😂😂😂
Are you seriously trying to compare RDR2 to games made literally TWO DECADES ago? They may not stand up to modern games, but that's completely irrelevant. You're obviously too young to know that GTA 3 was a massive leap for console games for its time.
@@Hugh_Jas r/wooosh
Most detailed game world made to this day. Better abandon it and its online component as soon as they release to focus more on GTA shark cards :)
Online multiplayer is garbage
Not very complicated to do
do it then
they make a game for the money just look at gta 5 they are drowning in money while rdr2 did not make s much
Screenshots of RDR2 got sent in to multiple midwest/southwest news agencies as 'local pictures' and got aired as if they were actual photos.
"Midwest/southwest" of where?
Minecraft ❎RDR2✅
It's 4K no it's not if it was 4K I'd be expecting a lot of a difference close to shaders but nope not even close