"So already we have that watery sorta default vocoder sound that no one seems to like" 10 years later and people now like it in what's now called Melodic Riddim
I love how you in this video (and some others) refer people to the manual. For soooo long I overlooked that very obvious source of information when starting to get to know a plugin and just dicked around without getting any of the results that I really wanted. Since learning to RTFM my life has become better in every single way.
Great job on this tutorial man, I learned a lot. Been struggling to make some truly gritty bass growls and this has been a tremendous help. Your track is also awesome, I bet it'd sound killer in a club!
Make sure that the carrier and modulator are routed into the Vocodex mixer track and ONLY that track. Also, make sure that the cairrer (the synth) and the modulator (the voices) are routed appropriately by insert number at the top of Vocodex. If it's still too much of the modulator for your tastes, increase the bandwidth and lower the order to make it lean more towards the carrier.
This style is cool because you can draw the automation of the sound. Makes it easy so you don't have to have the original sound flow, you can make it flow with the tune by said automation. But the sound is a bit timid, but with the bare essentials of the sound and no bass processing further than vocodex, this is an incredible tutorial. Thank you seamless. Constantly pushing the sound design barrier.
Thanks very much for this 'how to'!!! I was playing your demo in FL, wondering how you made those growls and wishing I knew how! They are the reason I searched for you and found this. You make great tunes with progressive feel(I really, really hate stagnant tracks), and a nice vocal makes them even better(like the one featuring Veela)! They look relatively barren of instruments, but still have a full sound. Inspiring!
The FX wont matter unless you want FX on the carrier or modulator. Make sure you have the carrier and the modulator actually routed into Vocodex. On the top of the Vocodex ther are the two number inputs for the carrier and modulator. if you right click them it will list the available inputs and you can select the appropriate channels.
went through a good few of your videos... bro i must hands down say you have possibly the best bass tuts on the tube! im sure there are many of us who dont revert back to the manuals, but it is also nice to see what one can do IF THEY DID. you sir, got them hot cakes here. keep them coming!!!
brilliant tutorial, i've not really paid much attention to the vocodex 'growls' until now, definitely going to combine it with a few other methods i use and see what happens
---Captain's log--- Date: 18-03-2016 Part: 0005 Another video with the Vocodex. Its nice to see how SeamlessR is using the vocal audio clip to do so much crazy stuff with it. I'm struggling with how I can make the audio clip into the carrier, and the automation into the modulator. Ableton and Fruity Loops are very different in some cases. More research is needed. At the end, it was nice to see how the clip became a whole track. I'm sitting here in awe, thinking about how good it must feel to complete a track. Been working on small things, mostly concepts, harmonics, frequencies and all the basic, good stuff. I've tested the Xfer-Serum plugin in Ableton and tried out the Serum's Forumla Input. I now understand how waveforms all consists of different sinusoid harmonics, to create the desired waveform. Using the function "Amplitude * sin(x * pi)" creates a clean sine wave. Its nice! I got a loooong way to go! Captain out!
it's amazing when you think of the numerous ways to do similar things in different daws using various methods and devices. i would have never thought this possible! well played sir, well played.
Thanks again for posting such awesome learning materials. I've been messing around w Vocodex for 3 years and just learned more watching your 7 minute video. Awesome. What's NOT awesome is that I didn't even think to read the manual... so dumb.
This was one of the first truly comprehensive vocodex tutorials I have watched. Most of them are shit, but this one is very thorough. Awesome work...I'll be watching the rest of these.
Hm. In the past I had issues with the "monitor aero desktop" stuff because I wasn't actually in an "aero" theme on WIN7, (or Vista, I guess). So make sure of that. Though, the option wouldn't even show up unless I was in an applicable theme. So I dunno about that. I have been having issues on and off with the whole thing though. Make sure to have an application focused before you enable recording. See if that helps.
I dig your TUT's mate, helps a bunch and is very informative. I've been using FL for 6 years now and am still learning new things. I work mostly with Massive, Z3TA+2, Poizone, Toxic Biohzrd, freeware and samples... does'nt leave me with many options or variety, so your vids really help in getting me to understand sytrus and Harmor, etc more and inspires creation and building sounds. keep it coming!! :-)
wouldnt mind seeing how the CARRIER sytrus was set up im a newb on pc and fruity in general got it because of these videos, seems like you have a lot of fun making sounds cheers!
thanks bud, i use acid pro and was able to figure out how to route it (with left & right encoder)...would'nt have had a clue where to start without this tut. nice tune too :-)
Thanks Seamless I figured that out right after I posted it. Was a Ding-dong question. But what I didn't understand is why my carrier was routing through Vocodex but my vocal sample was not. I could mess with bandwith and pitch through vocodex on my carrier but the vocal sample wasn't touched.
just great! thx, mate! btw, don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but there's an option in fl studio that makes the program follow the arrangement by itself.
2:13 Sharp, nasty growls work really well as vocoder carriers because they are rich in harmonics. In essence, you have more spectrum to work with. It's also why FM synthesis is perfect. By wildly manipulating the frequency, you create a lot of harmonics. Nice stuff, and thanks for the video!
please help me!! like how do i do so the sytrus sound go into the vocal? Do i like send the vocal and the sytrus sound to the mixer and after that make a new mixer channel which has a vocodex on it then i send the vocal and the sytrus to the channel which has the vocodex on it!? is that how i do it?
First, send the vocal (the modulator) to a mixer insert, and then while still on that insert turn down the master send volume knob (located above the yellow FX button). Next, send the Sytrus patch (the carrier) to an insert beside the modulator. Be sure to label each insert to keep track of which one is which. Again, turn down the master send volume knob, this time for the carrier. After that, put an instance of Vocodex in an insert beside the carrier. Sidechain the modulator and the carrier to the Vocodex insert. Then go into Vocodex, right click on the modulator sidechain input number, and select the insert that contains the modulator. Lastly, right click the carrier sidechain input number beside it, and select the insert that contains the carrier. After this you can fine tune your sound within Vocodex.
Could you explain how that FM sound works? I've been using FM a lot but can't remember that I came across this timbre. I'd really appreciate some info :)
I figured it out in ableton! The tutorial did help though. :) You make all the best sounds in the world, and almost every plug in you use for all of them Ableton doesn't have or support. I
OMFG i just finished listening to bass antics from you on fl studio! and i was looking for how you did it! this is AWESOME! :D you sir.. are a GENIOUS! a vocodex growl making genious! XD wooh
I remember one time, I accidentally put the vocoder effect on an already existing sound "707 Snare" and I put my bass there. It made it sound so cool, though I didn't even realize what I had done until I deleted the Snare later lol
I'm trying to figure out how to use Vocodex with Ableton Live, with no luck. Have you tried using this technique with Ableton? And if you have, could you give me a quick run through of how to achieve that sound?
i have a question for u seamless plz help me? i saw in one of your videos that u select and portion of the riff in the piano roll and then when added to playlist only that portion selected in red playback!!!! how did you do that?
How've you got so much bass to your vocoded bass straight away? When I'm doing it with some of the bases I've made it sounds a lot weaker. Is it just the type of bass you've used and the modulation?
at 1:30 how did you modify the vocal samples? like, did you just drop them by an octave or other amount of semitones? and did you use some sort of pitch algorithm?
Hey just found your videos. They are great. Thanks a lot. Unfortunately it seems that the option to determine more than one signal input into vocodex is a FL sudio only thing. I can not find a way to do this using bitwig. I was also wondering if you could recommend any other vocoder. THe one in logic doesnt cut it i dont think.
Hey Seamless, can I ask you a question? I'm having a little bit of trouble with Vocodex. I know how to link the Carrier and the modulator into Vocodex but my only problem is, is that they dont sound like they are mixed together very well. If you know what I mean. For example I tried using "Oh Yea" which you used, however you can hear the sample clearly say "Oh yea" so it doesnt sound like a deep bass, it just sounds like two samples over each other, Please Help and respond! Thanks Seamless! :DD
Hey seamless I enjoy your tutorials, they've helped me out so much.the only thing that's wrong with my bass is that it ends up sounding really "muffled" is there any way to fix that?
Does that male/female indicator actually shift the pitch, or is it more of a formant shifter? Just grabbed vocodex, and it seems to keep stuff in tune, which leads me to believe (I'm fully aware that I'm splitting hairs btw, just want to be sure) it's affecting the formant more than the pitch. Maybe that's just a silly question. Neat tut either way :)
So I got a problem, I got My FM Bass (Carrier), Filthy n everything, and so i got my vocal sound (modulator) but the thing is, when i add them both to the vocodex channel (With Vocodex On Of course) they dont blend into each other :( they stay the same :( so have i done something completely wrong..? is there a small mistake being done? PLEASE help!!!! :(
Dude! I love your style. Shit like that's what I've always wanted to make but I haven't a damn clue. I'm trying to learn to use Harmor for making growls 'n' stuff, but this opens a whole new mentality. BAdass, man. Thanks.
If you don't hear anything when you routed the carrier and the modulator to the vocoder, maybe you routed to the vocoder only, if it's the case, only click on the routing icon and the sound will come back
Does anyone know of a vocoder this powerful that works on Mac/Audio Units? I have several vocoders, but only one has the option to have an outside modulator as well as carrier and well... it sucks for doing this type of stuff. (Sugar Bytes Robotronic)... Advice? :)
Great tut...actually, I'm loving all your tuts so far--some of the most helpful stuff I've seen in my oh...3 months venturing away from playing bass in straight up r&r into EDM. But dude...read the manual? Manuals are for the weak...Ok, Ok. My next stop is the manual.
"So already we have that watery sorta default vocoder sound that no one seems to like"
10 years later and people now like it in what's now called Melodic Riddim
At 1:25 this is how I feel whenever I hear something that Seamless vocoded.
I love how you in this video (and some others) refer people to the manual. For soooo long I overlooked that very obvious source of information when starting to get to know a plugin and just dicked around without getting any of the results that I really wanted. Since learning to RTFM my life has become better in every single way.
Great job on this tutorial man, I learned a lot. Been struggling to make some truly gritty bass growls and this has been a tremendous help. Your track is also awesome, I bet it'd sound killer in a club!
Hey Seamless! Just wanna say I've learned more from your vids than anybody else's on TH-cam.. So a big thank you to you!
Make sure that the carrier and modulator are routed into the Vocodex mixer track and ONLY that track. Also, make sure that the cairrer (the synth) and the modulator (the voices) are routed appropriately by insert number at the top of Vocodex. If it's still too much of the modulator for your tastes, increase the bandwidth and lower the order to make it lean more towards the carrier.
Awesome bass sound. those samples without any processing are quite hilarious btw
This style is cool because you can draw the automation of the sound. Makes it easy so you don't have to have the original sound flow, you can make it flow with the tune by said automation. But the sound is a bit timid, but with the bare essentials of the sound and no bass processing further than vocodex, this is an incredible tutorial. Thank you seamless. Constantly pushing the sound design barrier.
Thanks very much for this 'how to'!!! I was playing your demo in FL, wondering how you made those growls and wishing I knew how! They are the reason I searched for you and found this. You make great tunes with progressive feel(I really, really hate stagnant tracks), and a nice vocal makes them even better(like the one featuring Veela)! They look relatively barren of instruments, but still have a full sound. Inspiring!
The FX wont matter unless you want FX on the carrier or modulator. Make sure you have the carrier and the modulator actually routed into Vocodex. On the top of the Vocodex ther are the two number inputs for the carrier and modulator. if you right click them it will list the available inputs and you can select the appropriate channels.
I have a couple of videos covering the basic process already in the channel. FM synthesis with Sytrus, How To Bass, and How to Bass 2: Bass Harder.
went through a good few of your videos... bro i must hands down say you have possibly the best bass tuts on the tube! im sure there are many of us who dont revert back to the manuals, but it is also nice to see what one can do IF THEY DID.
you sir, got them hot cakes here. keep them coming!!!
brilliant tutorial, i've not really paid much attention to the vocodex 'growls' until now, definitely going to combine it with a few other methods i use and see what happens
---Captain's log---
Date: 18-03-2016
Part: 0005
Another video with the Vocodex. Its nice to see how SeamlessR is using the vocal audio clip to do so much crazy stuff with it. I'm struggling with how I can make the audio clip into the carrier, and the automation into the modulator. Ableton and Fruity Loops are very different in some cases. More research is needed.
At the end, it was nice to see how the clip became a whole track. I'm sitting here in awe, thinking about how good it must feel to complete a track. Been working on small things, mostly concepts, harmonics, frequencies and all the basic, good stuff. I've tested the Xfer-Serum plugin in Ableton and tried out the Serum's Forumla Input. I now understand how waveforms all consists of different sinusoid harmonics, to create the desired waveform. Using the function "Amplitude * sin(x * pi)" creates a clean sine wave. Its nice! I got a loooong way to go!
Captain out!
Voyager?
Procrastinator
we're on the same boat buddy lol
47 is a Harmor, the primary bit in that sound, and 50 is a Sytrus, adds higher frequencies and reverb.
it's amazing when you think of the numerous ways to do similar things in different daws using various methods and devices. i would have never thought this possible! well played sir, well played.
Congratulations on having four of your songs be in the newest FL release! :D
Thanks again for posting such awesome learning materials. I've been messing around w Vocodex for 3 years and just learned more watching your 7 minute video. Awesome. What's NOT awesome is that I didn't even think to read the manual... so dumb.
good stuff, i like those fills you used that lead to the next 4bar pattern, has some nice crispy highs
coming back after 10 years to relearn. much love!
This was one of the first truly comprehensive vocodex tutorials I have watched. Most of them are shit, but this one is very thorough. Awesome work...I'll be watching the rest of these.
Hm. In the past I had issues with the "monitor aero desktop" stuff because I wasn't actually in an "aero" theme on WIN7, (or Vista, I guess). So make sure of that. Though, the option wouldn't even show up unless I was in an applicable theme. So I dunno about that. I have been having issues on and off with the whole thing though. Make sure to have an application focused before you enable recording. See if that helps.
I dig your TUT's mate, helps a bunch and is very informative. I've been using FL for 6 years now and am still learning new things. I work mostly with Massive, Z3TA+2, Poizone, Toxic Biohzrd, freeware and samples... does'nt leave me with many options or variety, so your vids really help in getting me to understand sytrus and Harmor, etc more and inspires creation and building sounds. keep it coming!! :-)
When he played the bass growl I was like "hmm pretty dope", but when he played the original samples I was like "WTF? seriously?" lol
wouldnt mind seeing how the CARRIER sytrus was set up im a newb on pc and fruity in general got it because of these videos, seems like you have a lot of fun making sounds
cheers!
I see you also play Minecraft seamless
lol
He is also hacker too
@@shirovenom6068 rip hax
this video is old enough to be in 3rd grade. and still awesome information. rock on dude.
thanks bud, i use acid pro and was able to figure out how to route it (with left & right encoder)...would'nt have had a clue where to start without this tut. nice tune too :-)
Thanks Seamless I figured that out right after I posted it. Was a Ding-dong question. But what I didn't understand is why my carrier was routing through Vocodex but my vocal sample was not. I could mess with bandwith and pitch through vocodex on my carrier but the vocal sample wasn't touched.
SeamlessR-The King Of Dubstep!
just great! thx, mate! btw, don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but there's an option in fl studio that makes the program follow the arrangement by itself.
2:13
Sharp, nasty growls work really well as vocoder carriers because they are rich in harmonics. In essence, you have more spectrum to work with. It's also why FM synthesis is perfect. By wildly manipulating the frequency, you create a lot of harmonics.
Nice stuff, and thanks for the video!
please help me!! like how do i do so the sytrus sound go into the vocal? Do i like send the vocal and the sytrus sound to the mixer and after that make a new mixer channel which has a vocodex on it then i send the vocal and the sytrus to the channel which has the vocodex on it!? is that how i do it?
First, send the vocal (the modulator) to a mixer insert, and then while still on that insert turn down the master send volume knob (located above the yellow FX button). Next, send the Sytrus patch (the carrier) to an insert beside the modulator. Be sure to label each insert to keep track of which one is which. Again, turn down the master send volume knob, this time for the carrier. After that, put an instance of Vocodex in an insert beside the carrier. Sidechain the modulator and the carrier to the Vocodex insert. Then go into Vocodex, right click on the modulator sidechain input number, and select the insert that contains the modulator. Lastly, right click the carrier sidechain input number beside it, and select the insert that contains the carrier. After this you can fine tune your sound within Vocodex.
love your videos brother, keep doing the great work
Just want to say thank you , for all your Video's plus I purchased you're complextro bass samples the other week , top stuff!
Hi seamless nice video i would like to know how u decide the bands distribution numbers need to each sound
Could you explain how that FM sound works? I've been using FM a lot but can't remember that I came across this timbre. I'd really appreciate some info :)
i laughed when you first played the vocals!
I figured it out in ableton! The tutorial did help though. :)
You make all the best sounds in the world, and almost every plug in you use for all of them Ableton doesn't have or support. I
OMFG i just finished listening to bass antics from you on fl studio! and i was looking for how you did it! this is AWESOME! :D you sir.. are a GENIOUS! a vocodex growl making genious! XD wooh
cool thanks. any reason why you picked "oh yeah" phrases? is it because they accentuate vowels clearly?
hey man the automation clip please in any key i can create it
now this is how you make a tutorial. nicely done man
u know what, thank you so much bro, i havnt figure it out and seamless didnt mention that, i thank you much man.
Did you set the carrier & modulator inputs, the two boxes to the left of the L-R encoding button?
I remember one time, I accidentally put the vocoder effect on an already existing sound "707 Snare" and I put my bass there. It made it sound so cool, though I didn't even realize what I had done until I deleted the Snare later lol
Can't get enough of these tutorial / walk throughs. ;-) Keep it up!
I'm trying to figure out how to use Vocodex with Ableton Live, with no luck. Have you tried using this technique with Ableton? And if you have, could you give me a quick run through of how to achieve that sound?
Wow... I didn't know that vocodex could be so useful... thank you so much.
Seamless, I am speechless once again.
Dude, that demo track is insane! Freaking sweet work! xD
i have a question for u seamless plz help me? i saw in one of your videos that u select and portion of the riff in the piano roll and then when added to playlist only that portion selected in red playback!!!! how did you do that?
How've you got so much bass to your vocoded bass straight away? When I'm doing it with some of the bases I've made it sounds a lot weaker. Is it just the type of bass you've used and the modulation?
so seamless what version WIP ar you on now? 10? 20? 90? xD
-BoxPlot :3
at 1:30 how did you modify the vocal samples? like, did you just drop them by an octave or other amount of semitones? and did you use some sort of pitch algorithm?
Hey just found your videos. They are great. Thanks a lot.
Unfortunately it seems that the option to determine more than one signal input into vocodex is a FL sudio only thing. I can not find a way to do this using bitwig.
I was also wondering if you could recommend any other vocoder. THe one in logic doesnt cut it i dont think.
that complextro track at the end nailed it
Amazing work on the song
Now you can get the Vocodes in any DAW even Ableton. Image Line sells all of 'em as Vst's
Great! Sound is super! Thanks 4 links))
Have you guys unlinked the carrier and modulator channels from your master channel?
Can you make a video of you making the carrier?
Could you do a straight up tutorial for it? Like, just go over the exact settings you used?
Hey seamlessR can u make a tutorial for brakes ups,or show how u do it?¿
Do you need to enable FX on the carrier and modulator. Ima bit lost, mine won't tick?
Hey Seamless, can I ask you a question? I'm having a little bit of trouble with Vocodex. I know how to link the Carrier and the modulator into Vocodex but my only problem is, is that they dont sound like they are mixed together very well. If you know what I mean. For example I tried using "Oh Yea" which you used, however you can hear the sample clearly say "Oh yea" so it doesnt sound like a deep bass, it just sounds like two samples over each other, Please Help and respond! Thanks Seamless! :DD
Awesome tutorial! Thank you! You should make a tutorial on how to make that nice bassy lead on sytrus, that would certainly help a lot.
Hey seamless I enjoy your tutorials, they've helped me out so much.the only thing that's wrong with my bass is that it ends up sounding really "muffled" is there any way to fix that?
They were long and continuous. So easy to work with at the time.
Dat bass in 7:04... There's a how to bass for that? I think it's Sytrus FM, right?
Does that male/female indicator actually shift the pitch, or is it more of a formant shifter? Just grabbed vocodex, and it seems to keep stuff in tune, which leads me to believe (I'm fully aware that I'm splitting hairs btw, just want to be sure) it's affecting the formant more than the pitch. Maybe that's just a silly question. Neat tut either way :)
SLVMBER It affects the pitch of the modulator, but the pitch of the overall sound is usually determined by the carrier.
Is there anywhere to see the creation of the Carrier?
So I got a problem, I got My FM Bass (Carrier), Filthy n everything, and so i got my vocal sound (modulator) but the thing is, when i add them both to the vocodex channel (With Vocodex On Of course) they dont blend into each other :( they stay the same :( so have i done something completely wrong..? is there a small mistake being done? PLEASE help!!!! :(
How Did You Separate The Carrier and Modulation in the Mixer
badass. Thanks for the volume warning at the end too
do i need a carrier sound from sytrus? or can i use massive too?
Dude! I love your style. Shit like that's what I've always wanted to make but I haven't a damn clue. I'm trying to learn to use Harmor for making growls 'n' stuff, but this opens a whole new mentality. BAdass, man. Thanks.
Where can I get good vocals for this type of vocoding?
Also How Did You Make The Vocodex Bandwidth Automation clip?
what computer do you use to manage this song without it not being able to open
I died at 1:29 xDDDDDD
dJect Dubstep 😂😂😂😂
Day bow bow
Chick'
Chicka chickaaaa!!
Dude! That song was AMAZING!!!
Seamless, could you revisit this for FL studio 12? I'm somewhat caught. The new layout is bugging me a little.
If you can, thanks!
wow awesome...so creative to create new sounds...great tutorial too but i wish you would explain your sytrus-patch...have a nice day =)
like that
If you don't hear anything when you routed the carrier and the modulator to the vocoder, maybe you routed to the vocoder only, if it's the case, only click on the routing icon and the sound will come back
What did you put the modulator for this video?
Does anyone know of a vocoder this powerful that works on Mac/Audio Units? I have several vocoders, but only one has the option to have an outside modulator as well as carrier and well... it sucks for doing this type of stuff. (Sugar Bytes Robotronic)... Advice? :)
as the Vocodex added to the track?
Like how your mic is assigned to the mixer. Almost as if FL Studio 10 is giving the lesson haha
Great tut...actually, I'm loving all your tuts so far--some of the most helpful stuff I've seen in my oh...3 months venturing away from playing bass in straight up r&r into EDM. But dude...read the manual? Manuals are for the weak...Ok, Ok. My next stop is the manual.
Would you know how to do this with the vocoder in ableton? Please respond D:
That minecraft icon :D
mine still has a lot of the 'aahh yeaa' and 'oohh yeaa' in the background, how to i get rid of this?
U, my friend, are a genius
I think I used the "pro default" algorithm in the sampler and pitched it down an octave.
Wish I had your Sytrus preset. Sounds bad-ass
Damn! Upload that awesome track from ending!
Man, You're better than Skrillex! Stay producing music like this!
dear seamless, I route the tracks to the vocoder but then on playback I just hear underwater versions of the samples / generators
Raise the bandwidth.
thanks, eddie :)
i gotcha
how do you make the carrier?