A must with all of these devices, you can get automation but not locking with an external controller, at least on the digitakt. The XL with 8 faders is almost perfect, if they put encoders there on next iteration then there's no competition.
Hi, when you set up the controller via the application, there is no need for the computer? I'm thinking that afterwards you can connect octatrack and nano via a usb to midi converter box, no need for the computer anymore? I remember years ago I was doing things like this with a UC33E and nord micro modular, when i had finished setting up all my presets, i could use the 2 together without a computer. The nano has no midi outputs but it is small.
behringer x-touch compact works great for this application. it's got 5-pin in/out, is fully re-addressible via v simple editor software, and has dual layer that i use to switch back and forth between controlling my octatrack and my mixer. no reason you couldn't have a single layer mapped to multiple pieces of gear through assigning half the controller to a different channel or some such.
dude if i want to control PLay and Stop with the Play and stop from my keyboard. what i have to do? i cant find a way to do that. I´ve reed the manual and i cant understand it very well. i put a lot of codes and doesnt work yet. May you help me with? thanks
Hey there! thanks for the tips! In the midi control reference in the back of the octatrack manual do you know what the note value / midi number would be if I want to trigger the playback of a sample on each track of the octatrack when I hit a different pad on my drum machine? (its a little confusing looking at this thing :)
I think I'm getting a little lost on this but is the nanokontrol going in via USB? I use all of the midi channels to control a drum machine and two synths. This would only affect midi in, is that right? Thanks for all your videos btw. Been really helpful in getting to grips with the OT
The NANO is going through my iConnect Midi 4+ (USB in => DIN Out). The CC's should only communicate with the OT and should not be sent further, or at least I haven't noticed anything like that and I use the OT as my main sequencer.
@@LateNightBeatsOfficial i'm using the UC33e instead but when I switch bank, the OT loads the saved settings ( amp/volume values, etc ) and doesn't update or keep the settings as they are tuned on my controller. So i have to touch every pots and faders on my controller to refresh values. Tried it in a live setting, it was a bit complicated!
Great tutorial! I've been wondering this for a while now. Might hunt down a controller like that. Also, I've been trying to figure out how get a seamless integration with Ableton live and the Octatrack. I've heard the ERM midi clock or Interlock Synclock (both expensive) solve the midi delay and overall sync problems. Ableton is terrible at being the master midi clock and even as the slave there are lags and delays. I was looking at the Roland MX1 as the master clock , but can't try one here in Taiwan before I buy one. I use a focusrite scarlet 2i4 for midi or the machinedrum TM1. Cheers! Thanks for all the good tutorials amigo!!!! Still hoping for a scene/effects/rate/crossfade breakdown. I'm stumped on how some of the sound packs from Electron were done.
Thanks! I only use Ableton for recording and midi sync over is Scarlett was reliable enough, but I guess that if you want to sync it to some ableton tracks it can be problematic. I remember about the scene / effects breakdown, but still haven't found a way to present it coherently. I'm trying to be as informative and concise as possible, so sometimes preparing an episode takes a while :)
I use the Novation Launch Control with a Kenton Midi usb Host as a 'stand-alone' controller for my Elektron gear. It works well but I'm considering looking for a controller with rotary encoders instead of pots as switching pages can be impractical (i.e. coming from a filter cut-off scene to a track level scene).
People say that the Behringer BCR200 if you can get over the build quality is a monster when it comes to rotary encoders. Plus you don't need a KENTON for it.
Awesome info !!! Thanks a lot. Do you know the difference between CC46 Vol and CC7 Volume in the ot manual ? I have a old KORG microKontrol which i plan to use with the octatrack and use the pads for muting the 8 audio - and 8 midi-tracks.
Thanks for watching! No idea really what the difference might be. Will have to check that... Sounds like a solid idea to use pads. You should be able to program them to light up when muted for visual reference.
I've used a LaunchKontrol XL with my OT in the past and the main problem I encountered was that there was no pickup mode. This meant that when I changed songs there would be jumps when I turned the controller knob. Any solutions to this?
I thought about it, and I don't think there is. An ideal option would be to have two-way communication between the OT and the controller, and then with something like a BCR2000 (with LEDs) you could see the position of the knobs, but I guess it would have to ping the values to the controller upon every PART change, so I'm guessing that's not possible.
Thanks, they're nothing too fancy I'm afraid. I use a Canon EOS Rebel T3i with two non-factory, inexpensive M42 lenses for the OT closeup and two previous gen Xiaomi YI. The crucial thing is the lighting, though: I have a set of Philips Hue bulbs that make it possible for me to control the lights really precisely. If you want to see the difference they're making just scope out my older videos before I got the HUE. Same cameras, much different results.
HalutioN wow you responded quick, thanks. I don't know much about cameras or recording video....how did you set them up to work together??? Are they all connected to each other or go into some kind of video mixer.. Do you know of any tutorial vids to setup multi camera video recording?
Nice tutorial. I have an octatrack, and I am using it with moog sub 37 via midi connection. I also want to use this configuration with external midi volume controller like you did. How should I setup for three devices?
Controller => OT => SUB37. My Midi chain is very similar, but I use iConnect Midi to route several input devices (Keyboard, DrumPads, Controller) into the OT.
Thanks. I'm not sure about the connection because I don't know how to use midi through port. My current configuration is OT(midi out) -> Sub(midi in), Sub(midi out) -> OT(midi in). That's all I know. Would you explain how to configure external midi controller by using midi through? Thanks for reading. Your videos are all informative and nice.
Why do you plug your SUB into the OT? To take advantage of MIDI Learn? If not, just plug the controller into the OT Midi In. The Thru is used to send midi signal forward from one device to another, so If you bought a Korg Volca and wanted to sequence both the SUB and the Volca from the OT, you'd set it up on different midi channels and plug via thru. Check out my Midi setup video for more details.
Alright. I'll plug only the controller into the OT midi in. I pluged midi in and out both because this was my first time to connect devices via midi connection, so I felt good about it.:)Thanks, I'll check your midi setup video definitely.
hey man! do you have any expierence in using the OT as an audio mixer? and then control the incoming signals with an external controller? maybe this would be interesting for another episode??
I haven't tried that myself, but it could be an awesome--if slightly underpowered--use of the OT. Thanks for the recommendation; I'll see if I can get enough content for a full episode.
I don't believe you can: the midi implementation chart doesn't specify master volume. I guess you could use track 8 as your master track and control its volume via CC. #CC 46 + midi channel assigned to this track in MIDI Setup menu.
Hey, I use iConnectMidi4+ which has the USB host capabilities. But any USB-to-MIDI hub should do. Keep in mind that iConnectMidi2 does not work as a host, so you have to check specifically if the device has USB host capabilities. If ELEKTRON ever does a revision of the Octatrack USB host is a must-have!
Liquid Proj3ct I've seen USB to MIDI DIN cables on the internets but don't know if these would work as I don't know enough about signal flow. Perhaps HalutioN may know if it would be a workable solution? USB out of Nano to MIDI DIN in with one cable? Here's hoping...
noodldoodl take care with those cables. I've been reading about them. they are cables to convert your usb computer port in a midi port. they do not work if you use them without a computer. you need an usb host like kenton. however i finally purchased a bcr2000 which works standalone, withou need of third party devices
Unfortunately you need a host of some sort, a plain USB - DIN cable will not work. I've been thinking about getting the BCR. Can you select separate channels for each encoder?
Very useful advice again! Many thanks for your help! The ideal solution would bin the din one indeed, as the point of the OT for me is to be away from the laptop as much as possible! But I have started looking around and there doesn't seem to be any affordable device capable of providing the equivalent options while being "unplugged" (from the laptop, I mean). Anyone here managed to find that yet?
It's not really an affordable solution and I haven't personally tried that out, but a couple of people told me that Behringer BCR2000 has these capabilities.
I actually found out later on last night that the latest firmware of the Novation Launch Control XL allows for it to be used to send channels and CC messages to the OT. Looks like you just need a usb midi host like the Fenton one. I wonder whether the Launch Pad Pro could be used the same way...
Very nice tutorial! Could you make this a written manual? 😊 you do a very good workshops here! Elektron guys should notice these really good toturials too!
They for sure should give you a discount. Your tutorials are some of the best out there and fill in so many gaps. They should give you an analog heat just for what you've done here so far!
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! One question though... Does anyone of you know of a midi host with 2 usb inputs? I'd like to use both the nanokontrol and the nanopad...
It's going to sound like I'm getting paid by iConnectivity, but I'm really not. The iConnect Midi 4+ can take up to 8 USB devices if you connect any class-complaint and powered (with its own power supply) USB hub. Maybe someone else knows about different solutions...
..so this would require me to get the iconnect and an additional powered usb host in order to hook up two controllers to the OT? That seems like a lot of money and space spent for this single function. I can't seem to find a box with two usb hosts.
That one's tough. One other solution is to look for a local company that makes to-order midi peripherals. From what I know it's relatively simple, and shouldn't be too expensive. I had a custom host box made for me locally a year ago and it was relatively reasonably priced.
A must with all of these devices, you can get automation but not locking with an external controller, at least on the digitakt. The XL with 8 faders is almost perfect, if they put encoders there on next iteration then there's no competition.
Hi, when you set up the controller via the application, there is no need for the computer? I'm thinking that afterwards you can connect octatrack and nano via a usb to midi converter box, no need for the computer anymore? I remember years ago I was doing things like this with a UC33E and nord micro modular, when i had finished setting up all my presets, i could use the 2 together without a computer. The nano has no midi outputs but it is small.
Would just like a little video that described what you built into your studio space. Looks very well organized.
Hey! I'd love to do a studio tour soon. The only problem is that I keep changing things :)
behringer x-touch compact works great for this application. it's got 5-pin in/out, is fully re-addressible via v simple editor software, and has dual layer that i use to switch back and forth between controlling my octatrack and my mixer. no reason you couldn't have a single layer mapped to multiple pieces of gear through assigning half the controller to a different channel or some such.
Looks awesome in terms of functionality. The price point, though, is a bit too much for a controller; at least in my book.
Thank you so much for this! super helpful.
Nice sequence.
Thanks!
dude if i want to control PLay and Stop with the Play and stop from my keyboard. what i have to do? i cant find a way to do that. I´ve reed the manual and i cant understand it very well. i put a lot of codes and doesnt work yet. May you help me with? thanks
Sorry for a late reply. I guess it's possible to send transport. The manual says that sequencer start/stop is A# (34).
@@LateNightBeatsOfficial Yes you're allright, thanks
Hey there! thanks for the tips!
In the midi control reference in the back of the octatrack manual do you know what the note value / midi number would be if I want to trigger the playback of a sample on each track of the octatrack when I hit a different pad on my drum machine? (its a little confusing looking at this thing :)
hi there! Im wondering if this would work with the nanokontrol 1 or 2..www.iconnectivity.com/mioxc
If not which of their simplest products would work?
I think I'm getting a little lost on this but is the nanokontrol going in via USB? I use all of the midi channels to control a drum machine and two synths. This would only affect midi in, is that right? Thanks for all your videos btw. Been really helpful in getting to grips with the OT
The NANO is going through my iConnect Midi 4+ (USB in => DIN Out). The CC's should only communicate with the OT and should not be sent further, or at least I haven't noticed anything like that and I use the OT as my main sequencer.
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Thanks for the video, do you know if there is a way to keep the controller's values when switching bank?
You mean on the Nano Kontrol or on the OT?
@@LateNightBeatsOfficial i'm using the UC33e instead but when I switch bank, the OT loads the saved settings ( amp/volume values, etc ) and doesn't update or keep the settings as they are tuned on my controller. So i have to touch every pots and faders on my controller to refresh values. Tried it in a live setting, it was a bit complicated!
Great tutorial! I've been wondering this for a while now. Might hunt down a controller like that. Also, I've been trying to figure out how get a seamless integration with Ableton live and the Octatrack. I've heard the ERM midi clock or Interlock Synclock (both expensive) solve the midi delay and overall sync problems. Ableton is terrible at being the master midi clock and even as the slave there are lags and delays. I was looking at the Roland MX1 as the master clock , but can't try one here in Taiwan before I buy one. I use a focusrite scarlet 2i4 for midi or the machinedrum TM1. Cheers! Thanks for all the good tutorials amigo!!!! Still hoping for a scene/effects/rate/crossfade breakdown. I'm stumped on how some of the sound packs from Electron were done.
Thanks! I only use Ableton for recording and midi sync over is Scarlett was reliable enough, but I guess that if you want to sync it to some ableton tracks it can be problematic. I remember about the scene / effects breakdown, but still haven't found a way to present it coherently. I'm trying to be as informative and concise as possible, so sometimes preparing an episode takes a while :)
I use the Novation Launch Control with a Kenton Midi usb Host as a 'stand-alone' controller for my Elektron gear. It works well but I'm considering looking for a controller with rotary encoders instead of pots as switching pages can be impractical (i.e. coming from a filter cut-off scene to a track level scene).
People say that the Behringer BCR200 if you can get over the build quality is a monster when it comes to rotary encoders. Plus you don't need a KENTON for it.
Yeah - my only problem with the BCR2000 is its size. I'm looking for something compact like a Doepfer Pocket Dial, or a Midi Fighter Twister.
Awesome info !!! Thanks a lot.
Do you know the difference between CC46 Vol and CC7 Volume in the ot manual ?
I have a old KORG microKontrol which i plan to use with the octatrack and use the pads for muting the 8 audio - and 8 midi-tracks.
Thanks for watching! No idea really what the difference might be. Will have to check that... Sounds like a solid idea to use pads. You should be able to program them to light up when muted for visual reference.
yes that works. The good thing about icrokontrol is you can run up to 12 scenes and switch easily between them using the pads too - really quick.
So i send CC msg #46 on channel 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 to achieve this?
pretty much 😎but make sure you have your tracks 1-8 set up to receive MIDI on channels 1-8
I've used a LaunchKontrol XL with my OT in the past and the main problem I encountered was that there was no pickup mode. This meant that when I changed songs there would be jumps when I turned the controller knob. Any solutions to this?
I thought about it, and I don't think there is. An ideal option would be to have two-way communication between the OT and the controller, and then with something like a BCR2000 (with LEDs) you could see the position of the knobs, but I guess it would have to ping the values to the controller upon every PART change, so I'm guessing that's not possible.
@@LateNightBeatsOfficial Since the BCR2k has been discontinued, the behringer Xtouch or Xtouch compact might be a good choice for this application!
What is the name of the cameras you are using in your multi camera setup, they work really well.
Thanks, they're nothing too fancy I'm afraid. I use a Canon EOS Rebel T3i with two non-factory, inexpensive M42 lenses for the OT closeup and two previous gen Xiaomi YI. The crucial thing is the lighting, though: I have a set of Philips Hue bulbs that make it possible for me to control the lights really precisely. If you want to see the difference they're making just scope out my older videos before I got the HUE. Same cameras, much different results.
HalutioN wow you responded quick, thanks. I don't know much about cameras or recording video....how did you set them up to work together??? Are they all connected to each other or go into some kind of video mixer.. Do you know of any tutorial vids to setup multi camera video recording?
I wish it was that sweet... all three tracks are edited later in Final Cut and mixed with the multitrack audio recorded in Ableton.
Nice tutorial. I have an octatrack, and I am using it with moog sub 37 via midi connection. I also want to use this configuration with external midi volume controller like you did. How should I setup for three devices?
Controller => OT => SUB37. My Midi chain is very similar, but I use iConnect Midi to route several input devices (Keyboard, DrumPads, Controller) into the OT.
Thanks. I'm not sure about the connection because I don't know how to use midi through port. My current configuration is OT(midi out) -> Sub(midi in), Sub(midi out) -> OT(midi in). That's all I know. Would you explain how to configure external midi controller by using midi through? Thanks for reading. Your videos are all informative and nice.
Why do you plug your SUB into the OT? To take advantage of MIDI Learn? If not, just plug the controller into the OT Midi In. The Thru is used to send midi signal forward from one device to another, so If you bought a Korg Volca and wanted to sequence both the SUB and the Volca from the OT, you'd set it up on different midi channels and plug via thru. Check out my Midi setup video for more details.
Alright. I'll plug only the controller into the OT midi in. I pluged midi in and out both because this was my first time to connect devices via midi connection, so I felt good about it.:)Thanks, I'll check your midi setup video definitely.
hey man! do you have any expierence in using the OT as an audio mixer? and then control the incoming signals with an external controller? maybe this would be interesting for another episode??
I haven't tried that myself, but it could be an awesome--if slightly underpowered--use of the OT. Thanks for the recommendation; I'll see if I can get enough content for a full episode.
HalutioN yes or an other use as mixer with plocks on effects and so on...
Do you know how to control the OT general voume level?Which CC ?On which midi channel?THXS
I don't believe you can: the midi implementation chart doesn't specify master volume. I guess you could use track 8 as your master track and control its volume via CC. #CC 46 + midi channel assigned to this track in MIDI Setup menu.
good sound!
Thanks!
How do you connect the nanoKontrol to the OT? I think the OT USB port is just for the card :/
Hey, I use iConnectMidi4+ which has the USB host capabilities. But any USB-to-MIDI hub should do. Keep in mind that iConnectMidi2 does not work as a host, so you have to check specifically if the device has USB host capabilities. If ELEKTRON ever does a revision of the Octatrack USB host is a must-have!
Thank you!
Liquid Proj3ct I've seen USB to MIDI DIN cables on the internets but don't know if these would work as I don't know enough about signal flow. Perhaps HalutioN may know if it would be a workable solution? USB out of Nano to MIDI DIN in with one cable? Here's hoping...
noodldoodl take care with those cables. I've been reading about them. they are cables to convert your usb computer port in a midi port. they do not work if you use them without a computer. you need an usb host like kenton. however i finally purchased a bcr2000 which works standalone, withou need of third party devices
Unfortunately you need a host of some sort, a plain USB - DIN cable will not work. I've been thinking about getting the BCR. Can you select separate channels for each encoder?
Very useful advice again! Many thanks for your help!
The ideal solution would bin the din one indeed, as the point of the OT for me is to be away from the laptop as much as possible! But I have started looking around and there doesn't seem to be any affordable device capable of providing the equivalent options while being "unplugged" (from the laptop, I mean).
Anyone here managed to find that yet?
It's not really an affordable solution and I haven't personally tried that out, but a couple of people told me that Behringer BCR2000 has these capabilities.
I actually found out later on last night that the latest firmware of the Novation Launch Control XL allows for it to be used to send channels and CC messages to the OT. Looks like you just need a usb midi host like the Fenton one. I wonder whether the Launch Pad Pro could be used the same way...
I'm also wondering whether Novation Zero SL can map to different channels...
Hello? How did you plug the korg to the octatrack? Do you use a midi interface or a computer?
IconnectMidi may be?
Correct! iConnect MIDI 4+ is my way of doing that.
@@ladamaury i'm going to try it with axoloti. seems a way cheaper solution. have you found another workaround ?
thanks for this coach
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
How you connect it ?
Via iConnect Midi 4+, but you should be able to use any usb-midi converter as long as it has the "host" capability.
nice music to0!
Very nice tutorial! Could you make this a written manual? 😊 you do a very good workshops here! Elektron guys should notice these really good toturials too!
Yeah, I just ordered a RYTM. Wouldn't mind a discount :)
They for sure should give you a discount. Your tutorials are some of the best out there and fill in so many gaps. They should give you an analog heat just for what you've done here so far!
good stuff bro
Thanks!
Has anyone tried this with the Akai APC40 Mk2 or akai MPK249?
The fundamental question is whether you can assign various MIDI channels to various knobs. If you do, you're good.
fick du det att funka? :)
@@HenricWallmark Gjorde inget av det tyvärr...
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!
One question though... Does anyone of you know of a midi host with 2 usb inputs? I'd like to use both the nanokontrol and the nanopad...
It's going to sound like I'm getting paid by iConnectivity, but I'm really not. The iConnect Midi 4+ can take up to 8 USB devices if you connect any class-complaint and powered (with its own power supply) USB hub. Maybe someone else knows about different solutions...
HalutioN Thanks! Gonna check it out
..so this would require me to get the iconnect and an additional powered usb host in order to hook up two controllers to the OT?
That seems like a lot of money and space spent for this single function.
I can't seem to find a box with two usb hosts.
That one's tough. One other solution is to look for a local company that makes to-order midi peripherals. From what I know it's relatively simple, and shouldn't be too expensive. I had a custom host box made for me locally a year ago and it was relatively reasonably priced.
that of course would be perfect...I'm gonna see what I can find. Thank you so much for your help!
At 2:49 a spirit passes from behind you, across the room and toward the camera.
Haha, I wish 👻👻👻. It's probably just dust :) I do have two cats!
How send the cc information to octa from nanokontrol?
You set it up in the Korg Editor.
u da man :D
I guess I am... Thanks for watching!
i think You should check out Matthew Dear's instagram! :)
Nice! Thanks for the heads up!