Toronto Media while Kapanen is a Leaf: “He’s so underrated, give him a shot, big potential” As soon as he leaves Toronto -He can’t read the game fast as he moves -Ive never seen him as a top 6 guy - Maybe he scores 16 LOL
Exactly, all my leaf friends and what I’ve seen from media/analysts is Kapanen produces at a 2nd line rate, would be a top6 winger on most other teams, so much potential and gonna break out. Now it’s all low hockey IQ, off ice drama, perennial 3rd line guy, maybe 15 goals. Love how to media perspective flipped so quick on him
Drei Ayanami the Toronto media is one (of many reasons) why Toronto has never even made the Stanley cup final. I was around in the late 90s. When a promising leaf team never materialized and Toronto media (a clown named stormin Norman ruimack was loudest) bayed for the return of a broken down aged Wendel Clarke. (I never blame Wendel because he was broken down because of the way he played). The Toronto fans started calling for Wendel’s return. So cliff fletcher traded for wendel (he never mentions that trade). He gave up a first round draft pick and a defenceman named tkenny Jonson who became the captain for the islanders and played in three all star games. The defenceman became Roberto Luongo a starting goalie for 20 years and an all star. The wonderful Toronto media. By the way wendel played two or three more seasons then retired.
It's definitely pretty funny how they're kinda ripping on him as soon as he leaves but their assessment of him isn't wrong tho. He has all the tools to be a top 6 forward no doubt but he just lacks the offensive instincts to be a consistent factor on offense. Maybe he figures it out with Crosby or Malkin but he's always been that way
@@commissioner1969 A first-round pick, prospect, and restricted free-agent for a guy who was a third-liner. There's a reason why 5 other teams rejected Dubas' trade offer, the price is too steep. Y'all are the same people who complained about Nylander's contract.
@@TinnieTa21 you are forgetting something kind of important. "for a third liner". Typical leaf fan. It's ok I used to be that leaf fan. I'm tired of talking like that. He was a third liner on a team stacked with overpaid players. He will play with Crosby or Malkin. He will get major minutes on that team and will be successful... Like every other ex leaf.
TTCGamer could be like Matt Moulson with a few 35 or so goal seasons. And the pick could just as easily turn into someone that never cracks the nhl lineup. Even in the first round drafting is no exact science to be so certain whatever player they get there will be nasty.
TTCGamer sure it could that’s what I was getting at is that even at 15 it’s a toss up how that prospect pans out. If they don’t move it in any other deal whatever player they take is still going to be 2-3 years at best away from contributing more than likely anyway. Moulson had speed like Grabner too though feel like he is always underrated for that because of playing on the same team as Grabner. I think stone hands is a bit much for kapanen and I like Tavares but he isn’t exactly known for elevating his wingers the same way Crosby is, if kapanen can gel well with him could be interesting. That and kapanen only played 30 games on Tavares’ wing until nylander broke the hold out. For a what would have been 22/23 year old winger in his first full nhl season seems like a small sample size to make it seem like his talent level cap is known, especially given his minutes are almost exclusively 5v5 and Pk there’s a learning curve for most players. I’m not saying it’s a slam dunk for Pittsburgh or that Toronto will regret losing him just wouldn’t be surprised if he had a good next two seasons in Pittsburgh if he can fit in quickly.
user123 user421 I literally said it’s a Leafs podcast. That’s like me saying, “oh this is Chinese food” and you you saying, “WHY AREN’T YOU ADMITTING ITS CHINESE FOOD”
user123 user421 No. I literally said I forgot it was a leafs podcast. It’s just weird to see such a big company only talk about 1 team. Excluding BarDown.
We should bring back Matt Martin. Never should have traded him. He's top 3 in the league in delivering hits almost every year, and even better in terms of hits per minute ice time. Just 10 mins per game and he's good for 250--300 per year. He's a free agent this summer. We traded for Clifford, paid him $1.6m. Martin was getting $2.5m but he delivers twice as many hits. If we can bring him back for 2 or 2.5 mil per season we should get that done
We don't need anymore goal scorers damn it!! We need solid players with toughness and grit, grinders. who are responsible at both ends of the ice. Goal scorers like kappy dont look to play defense first, they look for goals first.. we have enough talent .
@@DavidPringle-ep2jy YES, he is.. but do you know why he is? Because he has incredible explosive speed that's meant for Offence!! And that's not what these type of players are paid for!! Neither is Mitch Marner!! Why do we have our top goal scorers penalty killing, blocking shots and grinding on the boards using up all there Energy on that side of the game?! We need those players focused on goals and offence, PERIOD! Because whenever it's time for them to do what they are paid for, which is (Score goals) they are too exhausted to do it, and they get outplayed easily.. We can hire other players to do these other things so our top goals scorers can be fresh and dont have to worry about all that other stuff. It's not rocket science! You can't just have a whole damn line up of all goal scorers lol. That's dumb as hell!!!
I strongly agree with @Bear, Dubas seems to go with smaller stature goal scores "built for the regular season" and clearly over looks the size and toughness it takes to win playoff series. How many playoff series has Toronto won under Dubas?
wuBs world exactly. Kappy was given chances in the Leafs top 6 time and time again. It just didn’t work out here and probably never would have in the future. He certainly can score 30ish goals but that wouldn’t happen here. Might as well move him for something.
@@MmmM-bl7ih it's weird how not only Twitter Trolls but even NHL iNsiDeRs race to declare who "won or lost" the trade. -To be clear there ARE examples th@ exist of clear trade - wins/losses, though, this is not one of them. PITT needs(so they suspect) another electric winger who is good on PK. - and a team like TOR with $50 mil in their top 6 doesn't need to be spending anything over 1.5mil outside of their top 6. TOR obviously needs to spend their w/e it will turn out to be- $8/9 mil on Defense. And if they move Johnsson and/or Kerfoot they'd have even more space for Defense🤔. And literally go to free agency and buy 4 league minimum gentleman to put on a TOR uni for 7 minutes a night.
@@wubsworld8946 ya the plan had always been have As much offensive players on the team in till the core shows you what they need to get over the hump in Toronto now they have 3rd line players that are worth more to other NHL team's here is where you unload this players to free up space and get the players you need to do get over the hump everyone is talking about the cap that is what trades ment for this is the roll over year in Toronto now we really see if dubas can execute the real plan
The problem is kapanen was Torontos best contract, they wont be able to replaced him for same cap. Marner earns 4 times as much, that is just terrible.
@@Cedisdead well Kapanen did alright and his contract IS fairly valuable. Though, not for the way TOR is structured. TOR doesn't necessarily need to replace him point for point. They need to add players with all this cap space th@ will help keep the puck out of their end and in the Ozone.(defenseman, obviously). The C they got from PITT is way more of a 2way player than any of the current fwds on TOR roster. & plays C. & has been playing against 2nd best competition to the NHL and doing really well. -TOR probably looks to slot him in immediately. As for Marner; yeah, dude held out and, imo, he's making $2mil over what I would've like him to get. He was still on pace for another 80-90 point season. Btw, I'd be in favor in trading Marner under some circumstances. With the cap staying low because of covid, a lot of teams in the NHL aren't even going to play up to the cap ceiling because the owners are trying to save money internally. -making it even harder to move a $10mil cap hit like Marner's.. So, TOR will have something like $9mil to spend on 2 legitimate top 6 Defensemen and round out the bottom 6. Things aren't looking all th@ bad. I'm excited. Dubas will be very busy👓
Its a win for Kapanen. Same team as Crosby is always a win. At #15 their are some really good D-men, physical and with speed. To: Kyle Dubas, Stack the Leafs with WHL style D-Men please. We should be hard to play against. Our opposition should be saying "Oh Dam guys,...we gotta play the Leafs! " , instead of " Right on boys,.. we get to play Toronto! " From: Suffering Leaf fan since 1965. Thank You.
Kapanen is entering his prime. Once again the Leafs have failed. Youll see. It happens everytime. Guys got skill, speed and forechecks hard, you know that thing the Leafs don't do.
He’s good but not that good. Leafs have too many players in the system like him. It will be interesting what they do for defense. I could careless about any picks or forward signings.
Ray Ferraro is truly an enigma. How does someone who spends so much time around hockey and so much hockey knowledge behind him, have such terrible takes on absolutely everything?
blackfalcon111 you misread what I said, Before the playins, Statistically Edmonton outmatched Chicago in every Category , everyone called it a mismatch. Everybody was wrong
Jacob Hernandez And you should too. A lot of dipsy doodle skill but too slow at the nhl level and not enough effort to his game. A very good career minor leaguer.
Im really disappointed in Shanahan. You literally played on Detroit teams that would dismantle anyone in these playoffs today; Teams that were perfect examples of a “playoff team” and you’re just letting these trades and signings happen.
Now trade andreas johnsson and move one of Dermott or Kerfoot. Dermott was sweet during the playoffs, but that log jam on the left is apparent. Make room for Sandin. Maybe package both of them and the pick for a right hand D.
Only an idiot would get rid of Kerfoot...he is the closest thing we have to Kadri who isn't afraid to forecheck. You couldn't run a team of 9 year old girls...go back to watching soccer.
As a Swede, he reminds me a bit of Carl Hagelin. But I reckon Kapanen has more offensive upside while Hagelin, at this time in his career, is more of a PK-specialist.
Everything looked amazing on paper. We had the right pieces, the youth, talent, star power, good goalie, good coaches/management, decent defense despite it being our weakest link of the chain, but sometimes these plans just never turn out as we imagined. For some reason, it's just not working and we are in quicksand each year not really going anywhere year after year. As I predicted, if the Leafs don't reach another level by the time Matthews contract is up, I guarantee you he is going to Arizona to go home just like Tavares did leaving NYI (after they went nowhere for years but were always on the cusp). No way Matthews is staying as a Leaf unless we become serious contenders. If we win a cup before his contract is up, he may still leave because now that he's done what he wanted, he can feel free to just play for his hometown. Either way, chances of Matthews staying in Toronto is very low.
The Canucks are the only Canadian team left, and have a chance to bring the Cup back to Canada after 27 years, yet they are still talking about the Maple Leafs.
Kapanen was fast bit he didnt have much iq . even Matthews stated he didnt want to be on a line with him after last year. I mean like how many times have you seen kapanen skate up the o zone to stop and spin around the bottom of the circle . its almost like his speed is too fast for his brain or something like that
You're all wrong about the Kapanen trade just as you were all wrong about the Kadri trade. Grapes said the Leafs stymied Naz's development and he was spot on. Glad he's shinning with the AVs. The Leafs are the farm team of the NHL and have been for decades. Same 'ole. same 'sole.
what a disaster of a rebuild. Is no one going to talk about Dubas decisions making, and him being so very very far off on where he thought the rebuild was at. This is no a second rebuild that's occurring under the same GM. I know Dubas didn't start this last one, but still there's usually some good times in-between rebuilds.
Leafs are over-signed with Tavares and Nylander..While I like JT, there is no possibility that the Leafs are going to get what they are paying for..The Nylander contract is an albatross and they must move him ASAP..
Jeff O'Neill should come out of retirement n sign a 1 year 10M contract with the Leafs n play in the 1st line with Matthews. I can hear the commenters already "Matthews to O'Neill from the blue line shoots scores with a deadly one timer snipes it past the empty net"
Why wouldn’t it be? After 2012 this team has just been a disappointment. The leafs either play super offensive or don’t show up. There’s no in between for the leafs and that’s what sucks. At least when we lost in 03 and 04 the leafs were this strong big team who had rivals and made hits. The Mathews era has practically removed the 50+ years of rivalry and now only OG fans have that feeling the next time we face habs
I'm thankful they beat us.. losing in the qualifier is a wake up call. I still think the top four on this team just isn't capable of getting it done but that's what this team has and since the GM has no intention of changing that, I would at least like to see him get this team as close as possible. Make it exciting at least..
Trade Willy for a solid rhd. not a star, just solid 80 game guy who can pop a few on the pp (because in theory that's what these overpaid forwards are for right?). Take the extra cap space and re-sign Freddy. Pop Robertson in the line-up. Then you know you have a solid keeper, a top 2 pairing, put Dermott along side Muzzin, not perfect but fine. then the D is looking a bit better. trade Johnsson for someone who can score 10-15 but also defend well, providing cover for the D so they and the goalie aren't left out to dry...... we won't see that, but I think it works.
Leafs need to address their horrendous defence and have one or two grinders built for playoffs. Can't win with ballerinas , Canucks had a same problem and still don't get it. Still remember series with Calgary when Daniel picks up the very stick he was cross checked with numerous times and gives it back to Calgary player. That's why we've never won the cup
Toronto can shed $5mil more cap by unloading Engvall and Kerfoot. Maybe call Jeff Gorton.... Maple Leafs trade : Kerfoot, Engvall and 2021 4th Rangers trade : Georgiev, Rykov, Andersson and 2021 3rd
Toronto media is absolute cancer. I understand being critical, but c'mon you guys. You act like this team is invincible every year and look what happens.
it’s so toronto to think a guy won’t have success somewhere else when he didnt live up to expectations in the Leafs uniform. what they need to do is start living up to reality because you can’t steal other teams stars & expect Stanley Cups. they need to build from within. they were a threat a few years ago, but not anymore.
Can these leafs bums stop saying my canucks player's names out of their mouths? I don't want the leafs to even mention us with their cursed mouths. Please just continue to overpay for sellouts and continue to trade your talented players so they can prosper somewhere else. So happy for Kadri.
Not in any time soon, giving away a potential top 6 forward for prospects and picks. Doesnt sound like a good deal for a cup contender. But on paper they crushed it.
@@Cedisdead cap space for a defenseman potential, Kappys impact has been minimal his style on a top six requires a setup guy Matthews and Tavares have a RW already, a top pick, we also have cheap winger prospects that need ice time, we got a prospect Center in return as well, I did always think that Jesper Lindgren would have developed into something but it's taking awhile as he was a project. If the leafs grab a freeagent defenseman or steal one off a team looking to shed cap space to rebuild during Covid era and draft a future defenseman at pick 15 to replace Muzzin or the potential stop gap we win the deal on so many levels. Flipping pick makes no sense when we have forward that can be traded and called up/rejigg the lineup because it seems like every playoff Nylander eventually becomes a 3rd line 2nd line Centerman anyway like how Kadri was slot into that role, Kerfoot can become an expendable asset if that third line becomes a strength.
@@NotExplicable if they wanted to shed cap they should have traded marner his contract is so bad. Imagine having 4 kapanen or one marner. Toronto lost one of the best contracts they had. This is my opinion.
@@Cedisdead true but his value is lower than it should be at the moment and the list of teams willing to take his hit now is probably low for trade partners. The leafs will want a decent return for him as well. Maybe Philly? They need offense + young defenseman that they have. Calgary is another option. Another thing to think about is Tavares age and potential decline the offense will have to come from somewhere. Fixing the defense right now is a lot easier and doable especially since there was a deal already to be had with other teams at the deadline with some of our third line forwards. Having a defense will make everything look better as along as the wings support the defense then production won't need high to win games the big money will have to produce and rest of the team will need to keep the ship afloat. Having Nylander on the third line will at least make the third line a threat still like what the Pens did with Kessel.
When push comes to shove it's amazing how team politics gets out of the way in crunch time and personal philosophies fly out the window when it doesn't contribute to winning and utilizing players correctly though scouting own players abilities and value to the team.
When will Dufas and Shanahan be dumped for taking several steps backwards. I have no faith in these two out of touch clowns with no clue about how to assemble a team engineered for playoff success. Kapanens replacement will be 5’ ft 8” or shorter and under 160 lbs. Take it to the bank.
Filip Hallander is a 6'2 power forward ... Dubas got him in the trade. Dubas also acquired ... Muzzin, Clifford, Tavares, Hyman, etc. None of them are small ... keep it up Tony.
Drew Jenkins their core players can’t be successful playing the brand of hockey that is required during the playoffs. Check the early exits from the playoffs. Also, please review the Stanley Cup champs over the last 20 years. Their nucleus is composed of determined, tough, strong players. Check out this years contenders. Islanders, Vegas, Bruins, Lightning are fast and mean teams, who never show fear. Leafs didn’t even qualify with their supposed superior skill! Once again they’re on the outside looking in.
God I hate Toronto fans, acting like next year is the end of the cup window. Calm tf down all the key pieces on the team are under 25 and still developing, the leafs just need to add a little to the back end and get a good goalie and they are set
I think I will switch to watching the Pens. Kapanen was my favorite player. Who wants to watch a team of No Pants Mathews and backstabbing anti team player Nylander. I rather watch figure skating then that trash.
Nylander is the perfect trade chip. Most useless 30 goals on the team, as he will always be garbage come playoff time. Plus other teams will like his contract
"so now, we've deleted kapanen..."
omg savage
WestCoast Garage that would be the best move to do
@@saltyislesandstarsfan2643 explain plz
Blake Taylor why do I have to explain that Dubas is the worst GM and never learns
Matt F. 🤣 that’s a funny joke you’re dumb tho if you actually think that no one will take any of them
The contracts are the iffy situation a team might avoid not the player.
Toronto Media while Kapanen is a Leaf:
“He’s so underrated, give him a shot, big potential”
As soon as he leaves Toronto
-He can’t read the game fast as he moves
-Ive never seen him as a top 6 guy
- Maybe he scores 16 LOL
That's how Leafs fans be
Exactly, all my leaf friends and what I’ve seen from media/analysts is Kapanen produces at a 2nd line rate, would be a top6 winger on most other teams, so much potential and gonna break out.
Now it’s all low hockey IQ, off ice drama, perennial 3rd line guy, maybe 15 goals. Love how to media perspective flipped so quick on him
Hes gonna be happy they dont have his back anymore
Drei Ayanami the Toronto media is one (of many reasons) why Toronto has never even made the Stanley cup final. I was around in the late 90s. When a promising leaf team never materialized and Toronto media (a clown named stormin Norman ruimack was loudest) bayed for the return of a broken down aged Wendel Clarke. (I never blame Wendel because he was broken down because of the way he played). The Toronto fans started calling for Wendel’s return. So cliff fletcher traded for wendel (he never mentions that trade). He gave up a first round draft pick and a defenceman named tkenny Jonson who became the captain for the islanders and played in three all star games. The defenceman became Roberto Luongo a starting goalie for 20 years and an all star. The wonderful Toronto media. By the way wendel played two or three more seasons then retired.
It's definitely pretty funny how they're kinda ripping on him as soon as he leaves but their assessment of him isn't wrong tho. He has all the tools to be a top 6 forward no doubt but he just lacks the offensive instincts to be a consistent factor on offense. Maybe he figures it out with Crosby or Malkin but he's always been that way
It would be hilarious if the penguins won two cups with Kapanen too
I feel like it's JR's goal to get fleeced by every GM in the league...
FLEECED?!?!? You watch who gets fleeced on this one. The leafs are Cursed.
@@commissioner1969 yeah they're luck Kapanen becomes the leading scorer on a team with Crosby and Malkin
@@austin5944 it's bad luck coupled with horrible decision making over 50 years.
@@commissioner1969 A first-round pick, prospect, and restricted free-agent for a guy who was a third-liner. There's a reason why 5 other teams rejected Dubas' trade offer, the price is too steep. Y'all are the same people who complained about Nylander's contract.
@@TinnieTa21 you are forgetting something kind of important. "for a third liner". Typical leaf fan. It's ok I used to be that leaf fan. I'm tired of talking like that. He was a third liner on a team stacked with overpaid players. He will play with Crosby or Malkin. He will get major minutes on that team and will be successful... Like every other ex leaf.
Bring back Wendel Clark
wendel clark should be the gm... not shanahan.
.... and Kadri.
Bring back John Kordic.
best leaf ever
Trade johnsson now
Now, the Leafs need to go get a player like Kadri, he's sure been effective for the Avalanche.
lol
Except he’d be suspended
if they get someone from the islanders they ( Islanders ) must win the next cup
they need jamie macoun/bob rouse type players
1000000%. Those guys were crucial and gave Felix a good wall. Ceci? The fk.
Good one
Steven Coop How about Brad Marsh and Bob McGill? Imagine any of these guys in todays nhl.
And John kordic
Don't forget Todd Gill
You know what scares me kappy reminds of so much of Grabner with the leafs he could go off and score 40 in Pittsburgh
Watch him explode during the next season and all of Leafs Nation will cry in agony.
Good on him if he does. At the end of the day he didn’t do great here so time to move on
TTCGamer could be like Matt Moulson with a few 35 or so goal seasons. And the pick could just as easily turn into someone that never cracks the nhl lineup. Even in the first round drafting is no exact science to be so certain whatever player they get there will be nasty.
TTCGamer sure it could that’s what I was getting at is that even at 15 it’s a toss up how that prospect pans out. If they don’t move it in any other deal whatever player they take is still going to be 2-3 years at best away from contributing more than likely anyway.
Moulson had speed like Grabner too though feel like he is always underrated for that because of playing on the same team as Grabner. I think stone hands is a bit much for kapanen and I like Tavares but he isn’t exactly known for elevating his wingers the same way Crosby is, if kapanen can gel well with him could be interesting. That and kapanen only played 30 games on Tavares’ wing until nylander broke the hold out. For a what would have been 22/23 year old winger in his first full nhl season seems like a small sample size to make it seem like his talent level cap is known, especially given his minutes are almost exclusively 5v5 and Pk there’s a learning curve for most players.
I’m not saying it’s a slam dunk for Pittsburgh or that Toronto will regret losing him just wouldn’t be surprised if he had a good next two seasons in Pittsburgh if he can fit in quickly.
3 million cap is nothing! Trade taveres he's f garbage, and now your talking cap space!
Ray also didn’t see Vancouver winning against St. Louis so time for someone else to prove him wrong
He is becoming more and more of a muppet.
He just throws out guesses and says what the guys in the studio wants him to say xD
Ray farroro doesn't know shit about anything, he always is wrong
What’s wrong with me? I expected them to talk about Pittsburgh for a little bit. Wow I’m an idiot I forgot this was a Leafs podcast.
Watch Pitt media if you want Pitt content, simple..
user123 user421 I literally said it’s a Leafs podcast. That’s like me saying, “oh this is Chinese food” and you you saying, “WHY AREN’T YOU ADMITTING ITS CHINESE FOOD”
user123 user421 Re read what? Yes I know TSN is in Toronto?
user123 user421 No. I literally said I forgot it was a leafs podcast. It’s just weird to see such a big company only talk about 1 team. Excluding BarDown.
We should bring back Matt Martin. Never should have traded him. He's top 3 in the league in delivering hits almost every year, and even better in terms of hits per minute ice time. Just 10 mins per game and he's good for 250--300 per year. He's a free agent this summer. We traded for Clifford, paid him $1.6m. Martin was getting $2.5m but he delivers twice as many hits. If we can bring him back for 2 or 2.5 mil per season we should get that done
We don't need anymore goal scorers damn it!! We need solid players with toughness and grit, grinders. who are responsible at both ends of the ice. Goal scorers like kappy dont look to play defense first, they look for goals first.. we have enough talent .
He’s a damn good penalty killer!
dont wanna lose him but sounds like you need Jesper Fast in your life
@@DavidPringle-ep2jy YES, he is.. but do you know why he is? Because he has incredible explosive speed that's meant for Offence!! And that's not what these type of players are paid for!! Neither is Mitch Marner!! Why do we have our top goal scorers penalty killing, blocking shots and grinding on the boards using up all there Energy on that side of the game?! We need those players focused on goals and offence, PERIOD! Because whenever it's time for them to do what they are paid for, which is (Score goals) they are too exhausted to do it, and they get outplayed easily.. We can hire other players to do these other things so our top goals scorers can be fresh and dont have to worry about all that other stuff. It's not rocket science! You can't just have a whole damn line up of all goal scorers lol. That's dumb as hell!!!
I strongly agree with @Bear, Dubas seems to go with smaller stature goal scores "built for the regular season" and clearly over looks the size and toughness it takes to win playoff series. How many playoff series has Toronto won under Dubas?
So Kadri?
Based on leafs trades of the past few years, I'm putting money on Pittsburgh!
STOP
it's a good trade.
Kapanen didn't work out here. You get PITTS top Center prospect and a 1st.
wuBs world exactly. Kappy was given chances in the Leafs top 6 time and time again. It just didn’t work out here and probably never would have in the future. He certainly can score 30ish goals but that wouldn’t happen here. Might as well move him for something.
@@MmmM-bl7ih it's weird how not only Twitter Trolls but even NHL iNsiDeRs race to declare who "won or lost" the trade. -To be clear there ARE examples th@ exist of clear trade - wins/losses, though, this is not one of them. PITT needs(so they suspect) another electric winger who is good on PK. - and a team like TOR with $50 mil in their top 6 doesn't need to be spending anything over 1.5mil outside of their top 6. TOR obviously needs to spend their w/e it will turn out to be- $8/9 mil on Defense. And if they move Johnsson and/or Kerfoot they'd have even more space for Defense🤔. And literally go to free agency and buy 4 league minimum gentleman to put on a TOR uni for 7 minutes a night.
@@wubsworld8946 ya the plan had always been have As much offensive players on the team in till the core shows you what they need to get over the hump in Toronto now they have 3rd line players that are worth more to other NHL team's here is where you unload this players to free up space and get the players you need to do get over the hump everyone is talking about the cap that is what trades ment for this is the roll over year in Toronto now we really see if dubas can execute the real plan
The problem is kapanen was Torontos best contract, they wont be able to replaced him for same cap. Marner earns 4 times as much, that is just terrible.
@@Cedisdead well Kapanen did alright and his contract IS fairly valuable. Though, not for the way TOR is structured. TOR doesn't necessarily need to replace him point for point. They need to add players with all this cap space th@ will help keep the puck out of their end and in the Ozone.(defenseman, obviously). The C they got from PITT is way more of a 2way player than any of the current fwds on TOR roster. & plays C. & has been playing against 2nd best competition to the NHL and doing really well. -TOR probably looks to slot him in immediately. As for Marner; yeah, dude held out and, imo, he's making $2mil over what I would've like him to get. He was still on pace for another 80-90 point season. Btw, I'd be in favor in trading Marner under some circumstances. With the cap staying low because of covid, a lot of teams in the NHL aren't even going to play up to the cap ceiling because the owners are trying to save money internally. -making it even harder to move a $10mil cap hit like Marner's.. So, TOR will have something like $9mil to spend on 2 legitimate top 6 Defensemen and round out the bottom 6.
Things aren't looking all th@ bad. I'm excited. Dubas will be very busy👓
In a year you guys will be talking about how and why the Leafs missed the playoffs....again.
This is dumb the leafs have made the playoffs every year since matthews and would have this year too if it wasn’t for the play in round bull shit
We will be talking about how they lost to the habs in the furst around and things got worse lol
damn ray. that's cold.
TSN you need to upload these faster!!
Its a win for Kapanen. Same team as Crosby is always a win. At #15 their are some really good D-men, physical and with speed. To: Kyle Dubas, Stack the Leafs with WHL style D-Men please. We should be hard to play against. Our opposition should be saying "Oh Dam guys,...we gotta play the Leafs! " , instead of " Right on boys,.. we get to play Toronto! " From: Suffering Leaf fan since 1965. Thank You.
Domi for a left defence.
Robertson will replace him on the wing
Kapanen is entering his prime. Once again the Leafs have failed. Youll see. It happens everytime. Guys got skill, speed and forechecks hard, you know that thing the Leafs don't do.
Not worth it at the cost of the defense
He’s never scored more than 44 pts, couldn’t produce playing with Matthews or Tavares.
He’s good but not that good. Leafs have too many players in the system like him. It will be interesting what they do for defense. I could careless about any picks or forward signings.
Ray Ferraro is truly an enigma.
How does someone who spends so much time around hockey and so much hockey knowledge behind him, have such terrible takes on absolutely everything?
But if you use the pick it'll take how long till that guy is useful?
I’m listening to this crap what I used to listening before Covid and it’s driving me crazy, how I want things to go back to normal
I dont think ill ever take these guys seriously again after their playoff predictions 😂 like comon, they thought Edmonton and toronto would go far
Yeah, but its really hard to give perdictions in hockey. Who thought the blues would win the cup last year?
Toronto was believable, edmonton was not. Edmonton has 1 line, no defense and no goaltending.
Edmonton Outmatched Chicago in every Category and the only people that thought the Leafs would lose to the Jackets were Leaf fans lol
@@Christhegreatbro yea thats why Edmonton got beat by Chicago right? They outmatched them? Lmao, it wasn't evem close
blackfalcon111 you misread what I said, Before the playins, Statistically Edmonton outmatched Chicago in every Category , everyone called it a mismatch. Everybody was wrong
Bracco? People may forgot about him
Jacob Hernandez And you should too. A lot of dipsy doodle skill but too slow at the nhl level and not enough effort to his game. A very good career minor leaguer.
Im really disappointed in Shanahan. You literally played on Detroit teams that would dismantle anyone in these playoffs today; Teams that were perfect examples of a “playoff team” and you’re just letting these trades and signings happen.
Good point
The sound of panic and desperation is so hilarious. Especially since rd 2 of playoffs is still being played.
Now trade andreas johnsson and move one of Dermott or Kerfoot. Dermott was sweet during the playoffs, but that log jam on the left is apparent. Make room for Sandin. Maybe package both of them and the pick for a right hand D.
Only an idiot would get rid of Kerfoot...he is the closest thing we have to Kadri who isn't afraid to forecheck.
You couldn't run a team of 9 year old girls...go back to watching soccer.
woah - yeah... like josh manson
As a Swede, he reminds me a bit of Carl Hagelin. But I reckon Kapanen has more offensive upside while Hagelin, at this time in his career, is more of a PK-specialist.
Oh hello 2021,
This four guys looks pretty silly now when Kapanen have scored more than 25 goals for the Pens right?
I'm waiting for the news that the 1st round 15th overall pick is given away for a bag of pucks. Keeping with good ole Leaf transaction history.
Thank God we got a leafs trade to talk about.
Everything looked amazing on paper. We had the right pieces, the youth, talent, star power, good goalie, good coaches/management, decent defense despite it being our weakest link of the chain, but sometimes these plans just never turn out as we imagined. For some reason, it's just not working and we are in quicksand each year not really going anywhere year after year. As I predicted, if the Leafs don't reach another level by the time Matthews contract is up, I guarantee you he is going to Arizona to go home just like Tavares did leaving NYI (after they went nowhere for years but were always on the cusp). No way Matthews is staying as a Leaf unless we become serious contenders. If we win a cup before his contract is up, he may still leave because now that he's done what he wanted, he can feel free to just play for his hometown. Either way, chances of Matthews staying in Toronto is very low.
i heard this joke about the leafs a long time ago...
the leafs are like the Titanic.... They look good on paper until they hit the ice jajajajajaa
Wait who/what did they trade him for
Perhaps should be calling Columbus about savard or maybe buffalo about montour
The Canucks are the only Canadian team left, and have a chance to bring the Cup back to Canada after 27 years, yet they are still talking about the Maple Leafs.
I think both teams won this trade. I think Kapanen scores 30 alongside Crosby and Toronto could end up with a roster player in the first round.
I’m gonna miss kappy. One of my favorite leafs
Get some new graphics, boys.....what are those, EASTON Synergy skates?
Haha, good eye!
I dont think he's showing his hand. The goal is UFA signing, not trade
Is this not ironic given Pittsburgh drafted Kapanen
Kapanen was fast bit he didnt have much iq . even Matthews stated he didnt want to be on a line with him after last year. I mean like how many times have you seen kapanen skate up the o zone to stop and spin around the bottom of the circle . its almost like his speed is too fast for his brain or something like that
Move up in the draft and take Askarov
andersen doesn't care have you seen the look on his face, he doesn't even smile, he's becoming a sparks we need a new goaltender in net.
Trade Dubas
You're all wrong about the Kapanen trade just as you were all wrong about the Kadri trade. Grapes said the Leafs stymied Naz's development and he was spot on. Glad he's shinning with the AVs. The Leafs are the farm team of the NHL and have been for decades. Same 'ole. same 'sole.
A Kadri type player would sure help. Maybe Dubas can get some advice from Lou once the Islanders are out of the playoffs!
Interested Bystander Islanders could be playing in the Stanley Cup finals? Then Leafs look very bad...
Detroit will take that first rounder for another over priced cap casualty.
If Kapanen scores 30 then you can easily say that what's wrong with Edmonton also is wrong in Toronto.
#15 pick,Johnsson and Bracco for Jerseys 1st rounder....Leafs pick Askarov and have cap space for RHD
The leafs are gonna try move to much and still be a mess in the playoffs
Probably. Turn over almost the entire roster every season and wonder why the team can’t grow.
Nice to get Pete...
what a disaster of a rebuild. Is no one going to talk about Dubas decisions making, and him being so very very far off on where he thought the rebuild was at. This is no a second rebuild that's occurring under the same GM. I know Dubas didn't start this last one, but still there's usually some good times in-between rebuilds.
Leafs are over-signed with Tavares and Nylander..While I like JT, there is no possibility that the Leafs are going to get what they are paying for..The Nylander contract is an albatross and they must move him ASAP..
Montreal’s happy!
Jeff O'Neill should come out of retirement n sign a 1 year 10M contract with the Leafs n play in the 1st line with Matthews. I can hear the commenters already "Matthews to O'Neill from the blue line shoots scores with a deadly one timer snipes it past the empty net"
Trade Kerfoot, go sign Connor brown and slot him in the third center slot.
Watch Kapanen become a star. The other stars on the Leafs can't wait to be traded. For some reason playing hockey in Toronto is toxic.
Why wouldn’t it be? After 2012 this team has just been a disappointment. The leafs either play super offensive or don’t show up. There’s no in between for the leafs and that’s what sucks. At least when we lost in 03 and 04 the leafs were this strong big team who had rivals and made hits. The Mathews era has practically removed the 50+ years of rivalry and now only OG fans have that feeling the next time we face habs
These overdrive guys are so depressed that this is all they have to talk about LOL.
Yeah they're hockey guys covering the most popular team in the NHL in the biggest market.......
@@tyronemckenzie1643 yeah and thats all they cover.
You're looking for Adam Larsson.
You could tell Kappy wasnt happy especially when he scored.
I'm gonna go be the one who thinks Pittsburgh won this trade, but I do, I just do
I agree. But time will tell.
Missing out on half the trade potential while playoffs are still going.....
No way they lose freddie!
Ben Chiarot would be so good on the Leafs, but I hope Montreal doesn’t trade him. (Depending on the offer)
Jacob Benjamin that’s why I said I hope they don’t trade him.
how bout dem jackets...
I'm thankful they beat us.. losing in the qualifier is a wake up call. I still think the top four on this team just isn't capable of getting it done but that's what this team has and since the GM has no intention of changing that, I would at least like to see him get this team as close as possible. Make it exciting at least..
@@dylanjones268 Wake up calls all the way back to '97.....didn't do shyte.....and Dubas isnt going to get any better at his job. Proved it today.
Somehow package the 1st rd pick, Johnsson ++ to get Josh Manson or Dumba maybe ?
Trade Willy for a solid rhd. not a star, just solid 80 game guy who can pop a few on the pp (because in theory that's what these overpaid forwards are for right?). Take the extra cap space and re-sign Freddy. Pop Robertson in the line-up. Then you know you have a solid keeper, a top 2 pairing, put Dermott along side Muzzin, not perfect but fine. then the D is looking a bit better. trade Johnsson for someone who can score 10-15 but also defend well, providing cover for the D so they and the goalie aren't left out to dry......
we won't see that, but I think it works.
Leafs need to address their horrendous defence and have one or two grinders built for playoffs.
Can't win with ballerinas , Canucks had a same problem and still don't get it.
Still remember series with Calgary when Daniel picks up the very stick he was cross checked with numerous times and gives it back to Calgary player.
That's why we've never won the cup
Toronto can shed $5mil more cap by unloading Engvall and Kerfoot.
Maybe call Jeff Gorton....
Maple Leafs trade :
Kerfoot, Engvall and 2021 4th
Rangers trade :
Georgiev, Rykov, Andersson and 2021 3rd
Toronto media is absolute cancer. I understand being critical, but c'mon you guys. You act like this team is invincible every year and look what happens.
Since Lou exited, Toronto is soft. Want it to change, say goodbye to Dubas.
😂 Boys you are so wrong... Kapanen will play with Sid and Guntz. Will bring speed to that line and open space for Sid
it’s so toronto to think a guy won’t have success somewhere else when he didnt live up to expectations in the Leafs uniform. what they need to do is start living up to reality because you can’t steal other teams stars & expect Stanley Cups. they need to build from within. they were a threat a few years ago, but not anymore.
Can these leafs bums stop saying my canucks player's names out of their mouths? I don't want the leafs to even mention us with their cursed mouths. Please just continue to overpay for sellouts and continue to trade your talented players so they can prosper somewhere else. So happy for Kadri.
Kappa scores 30 next season easy
All they got was a first round pick for Kappenan. This is the type of move a team rebuilding would do.
They got 4 players for him
@@mike24819 garbage players that mean nothing
@@zigfield723 ok a first round draft pick for a 15-20 goal scorer that can't spell defense ... ... We shall see ..
I hope there not expecting a jt miller type outcome. Toronto over hypes there players. They try to sell em as playoff players.
Hayes has such a big head on that pipsqueek body.
These guys must be tired of holding Noodles hand day in and day out. unreal how that guy is on radio.
Leafs win this trade big time.
Not in any time soon, giving away a potential top 6 forward for prospects and picks. Doesnt sound like a good deal for a cup contender. But on paper they crushed it.
@@Cedisdead cap space for a defenseman potential, Kappys impact has been minimal his style on a top six requires a setup guy Matthews and Tavares have a RW already, a top pick, we also have cheap winger prospects that need ice time, we got a prospect Center in return as well, I did always think that Jesper Lindgren would have developed into something but it's taking awhile as he was a project. If the leafs grab a freeagent defenseman or steal one off a team looking to shed cap space to rebuild during Covid era and draft a future defenseman at pick 15 to replace Muzzin or the potential stop gap we win the deal on so many levels. Flipping pick makes no sense when we have forward that can be traded and called up/rejigg the lineup because it seems like every playoff Nylander eventually becomes a 3rd line 2nd line Centerman anyway like how Kadri was slot into that role, Kerfoot can become an expendable asset if that third line becomes a strength.
@@NotExplicable if they wanted to shed cap they should have traded marner his contract is so bad. Imagine having 4 kapanen or one marner. Toronto lost one of the best contracts they had. This is my opinion.
@@Cedisdead true but his value is lower than it should be at the moment and the list of teams willing to take his hit now is probably low for trade partners. The leafs will want a decent return for him as well. Maybe Philly? They need offense + young defenseman that they have. Calgary is another option. Another thing to think about is Tavares age and potential decline the offense will have to come from somewhere. Fixing the defense right now is a lot easier and doable especially since there was a deal already to be had with other teams at the deadline with some of our third line forwards. Having a defense will make everything look better as along as the wings support the defense then production won't need high to win games the big money will have to produce and rest of the team will need to keep the ship afloat. Having Nylander on the third line will at least make the third line a threat still like what the Pens did with Kessel.
When push comes to shove it's amazing how team politics gets out of the way in crunch time and personal philosophies fly out the window when it doesn't contribute to winning and utilizing players correctly though scouting own players abilities and value to the team.
Kapanen will get 25 goals if he is on Sid's line.
most good players would get 25 with Sid! LOL
@@ronbonora7872 Exactly my point...tell that to this candy a** talking Ferraro Rocher, he doesn't think Kappi is going to crack 20!
Hi, I'm Noodles
The trade was Willy and let kappy wing Tavares. Bigger return n kappy is good enough.
When will Dufas and Shanahan be dumped for taking several steps backwards. I have no faith in these two out of touch clowns with no clue about how to assemble a team engineered for playoff success. Kapanens replacement will be 5’ ft 8” or shorter and under 160 lbs. Take it to the bank.
Several steps backwards? From where lmfao. Where were they 5 years ago?
Filip Hallander is a 6'2 power forward ... Dubas got him in the trade.
Dubas also acquired ... Muzzin, Clifford, Tavares, Hyman, etc.
None of them are small ... keep it up Tony.
Drew Jenkins their core players can’t be successful playing the brand of hockey that is required during the playoffs. Check the early exits from the playoffs. Also, please review the Stanley Cup champs over the last 20 years. Their nucleus is composed of determined, tough, strong players. Check out this years contenders. Islanders, Vegas, Bruins, Lightning are fast and mean teams, who never show fear. Leafs didn’t even qualify with their supposed superior skill! Once again they’re on the outside looking in.
Sabian Vorachev dude...that’s funny!
More ice time for Robertson lol
Send Dubas to waivers. Him and the leafs are hosers.
God I hate Toronto fans, acting like next year is the end of the cup window. Calm tf down all the key pieces on the team are under 25 and still developing, the leafs just need to add a little to the back end and get a good goalie and they are set
Kapanen 3m is so much better then Marner 12m xD
Kappy skates up and down the boards.
the only move i want to see Kyle make is to leave Toronto Kyle trade Kyle to anyone for a bucket of pucks
I think I will switch to watching the Pens. Kapanen was my favorite player. Who wants to watch a team of No Pants Mathews and backstabbing anti team player Nylander. I rather watch figure skating then that trash.
Nylander is the perfect trade chip. Most useless 30 goals on the team, as he will always be garbage come playoff time. Plus other teams will like his contract
Leafs fan Blows a load over dumping Kapanen 3.2mil contract, but then realize Rodriguez has a 2mil contact.... whata cap dumppp lol
He's on an expiring contract
Kapanen 20+ next season.
Yep!,........... because this team is in a rut!!!
( and it’s done got old real fast!)👀🙄🤢🤮
Don't worry dubas will screw this off season up...
Trade nylander now. Manson for nylander