I played Paperboy 2 first, the DOS version. It was a lot of fun, I thought. Never saw the arcade original, but that handle bar on the cabinet is so awesome
Same. I love Paperboy 2. I still have my Genesis hooked up and been buying bucket-list games off ebay I always wanted before they become permanently unaffordable.
A Paperboy 2 fan checking in. I grew up in the SNES and Genesis era, my brother having the SNES (before I later acquired my own), and me having a Genesis model 2 a couple years later. I remember renting PB2 probably for both the SNES and Genesis a few times, and later when our local video rental store was selling all of their SNES and Genesis games, I bought their copy of PB2 for the Genesis. So then, in 2001, I got myself a NES through eBay, and I can't remember if it came with the console in a "console & games lot" (which is how I got my NES, it came with about 15 or 20 games), or if I bought the loose cart separately later, I'm pretty sure it came in that eBay listing, but I somehow got the first Paperboy, and, I tried it a few times, but it just never clicked with me, I just liked PB2 so much more.
During the NES era Nintendo would only allow 3rd party companies to publish a set amount of games per year on the NES. So 3rd party companies would get around this by publishing games under a second name. Konami published some of their games under Ultra, and Atari published some of their games under Tengen. Same companies different names. Tengen is Atari, and Ultra is Konami.
You're correct, and I didn't even notice that. I've got to think that the switch still impacted developers though, unless the companies were truly just playing shuffle with developers too?
This isn't quite right in the case of Tengen. While it's creation was partially to do with the five game per year limit Nintendo of America(not Nintendo of Japan) had as part of its licensing agreement. It also was a necessity due to the fact that there were two Atari companies at this time. Atari was split into two after the crash by its owner Time Warner. There was Atari Corporation, which consisted of the home division which was sold to Jack Tramiel after he was driven out of Commodore, and included the microcomputer lines and home consoles and the exclusive rights to the name Atari for home use. The other, Atari Games inc. was the arcade division, which could not release their games under the Atari name on any home system be it console or microcomputer. Thus they needed to create a subsidiary company to publish their arcade games on any home systems anyway and Tengen was created to cover both issues.
@@anthonynoel57 And then down the road, Tengen became Midway Games West. I still remember seeing their address on the back of Midway Arcade Treasures and recognizing it as Tengen’s address.
That is NOT correct. Tengen was Atari Games. When Warner sold Atari back in 1984, the company got split into 3. Atari Corp which was the home division was sold to Jack Traimel (Former head of Commodore), Atari Games was the arcade counterpart and some of that was later sold to Namco, and Warner kept the telecommunications part for themselves. So for Atari Games to release home games, they COULD NOT legally use the Atari name. So they went back to the game Go (which is where the name originated from) and used the name Tengen which was the center of a GO board. Tengen was Atari Games. So THEY made Paperboy arcade and licensed out the home versions of the game (as that was before they started making their own carts).
The Genesis PB1 is a near-perfect port of the original, and PB2 is more of the same. A new side of the street to ride on, 1000 different layouts to choose from, and a choice of boy or girl? It started from a stronger beginning point than the NES and Game Boy versions, and it's perfect, the best sequel fans have ever gotten for Paperboy!
I’m still bummed that Paperboy and Toobin’ didn’t become proper franchises. I guess they mostly stood out so much because of their then-novel modern settings, but I also just love the idea of basing games off of chill childhood summer activities.
Pac-man 2 is legit one of my favorite snes games, and to counter your point about original pac-man you technically don't control him. You point at a direction for him to turn, but he moves on his own.
8:35 King Galaspark is not in Galaga - he's in Galaga Arrangement. Two completely different games. Galaga doesn't have an ending unless you count the glitching making the game unplayable after level 255.
The only version of Paperboy I owned was Paperboy 2 on the SNES. When I went back to the original, I realized that for all the bashing, 2 very much does improve on a lot of things in the original.
At 1:42 I was thinking "Tengen was a subsidiary of Atari" but even so it would probably have been a completely different development team so your point stands. Excellent video.
That makes no sense as Paperboy by Atari was a critical hit - the arcade version that is. Why would they contract an outside studio when they were perfectly capable in making the sequel themselves? Which they did. Don't forget Atari/Tengen made a better version of Tetris before Nintendo's versions.
I always thought Tengen were an Atari offshoot for console and home computer development. They certainly licenced a fair few Atari titles - Escape from the planet of the robot monsters, Vindicators and Klax immediately spring to mind.
I also believe this and came to the comments to make this point if nobody else did. I think they structured it that way in case the lockout chip workaround shenanigans triggered a lawsuit (which it did) so that they couldn't come after atari for more than the NES business
Tengen was just Atari's brand for games that were not officially "licensed" by Nintendo for the NES. They made their own game cartridges and their own version of the 10NES lockout chip.
What surprised me most is that there is an official Namco universe and in the official guide we learn that Galaxian, Ace Combat and Dig Dug all take place in the same universe but in different eras
I have such a love and hate for Pacman 2. Very frustrating if you're trying to play the game the way its meant to be, but just messing with the slingshot is a good time
I grew up in this NES era. I had an Nintendo, and I didn't have Paperboy 2 at the time, but I played the 1st Paperboy on the system later in life in 2002, during the early 2000's, and I haven't beaten yet.
In the case of Paperboy 2, it actually was the game’s original developers behind it. Atari Games is not the original Atari company, but rather the arcade division, which Warner kept since it was still making money, and the brand went to Jack Tremiel when he bought the consumer division. They worked out a deal where the arcade division owned by Warner could still use the Atari name in the arcades as long as they put the word Games after it, and they were not allowed to use the name in the home market at all, which is when they started using Tengen in the home market. So Tengen is the same company as Atari Games, they just were only allowed to use the Atari name in arcade games.
Yep - I missed that one - you and others have (correctly) pointed that out. I do wonder what impact it had on development, but the point is still fair.
what a great video thanks. so many id not heard of, i worked on gta. i remember seeing the advance one but never played. i also did the mobile port of paperboy2 which was a different game mostly (wheels on fire its called).
You can make an entire video on the various Frogger sequels, across 4 decades of hardware. And that's to say nothing on its predecessor and its own unofficial ports. Then, the unofficial ports of Frogger and, I'm sure, sequels to those titles!
Yep - I missed that one - you and others have (correctly) pointed that out. I do wonder what impact it had on development, but the point is still fair.
Objection. Both GTA 1 and 2 were MASSIVE hits in their own right, and that paved the way for the rest of the series. I'm guessing you're just too young to remember it.
1:42 Tengen was Atari. They created the brand to make unlicensed games for the NES and not tarnish the Atari name. They also made a better Tetris for the NES than Nintendo that's still highly sought after.
I was aware of Paperboy 2 and Pac-Man 2. I was a fan of Pac-Land but thought that the controls were weird. Pac-Man 2 seems to have gone off the deep end in that respect. I have played Galaxian, Galaga, and Galaga'88, but was totally unaware of any others in the series. I never knew there was a final boss in Galaga.I had a version of Galaga on the PC and got farther into it than any other version, but I don't think I ever made it 30 levels in.
I think the NES version of Paperboy 2 was a re-skin of the Game Boy version of the game. That's why the graphics look downgraded a bit compared to the original. I'm not sure which system had the original version of Paperboy 2 though, it had a decent number of ports IIRC.
I owned tetris 2 and liked it way more than the original. I found the colors easier to deal with than making lines. Also had galaxian. One of my favorite games. I always thought it was a knockoff clone, not a sequel.
11:25 - That's total bull. If the video game industry has proven anything, it's that the same old regurgitated games sell better than anything. (Super Mario, Zelda, Call of Duty, Halo, Assassin's Creed, Madden, etc.)
I've always been annoyed that the Arcade 1Up with Galaxian and Galaga didn't include Gaplus. (I'm also annoyed when it's referred to as "Galaga III". If anything, it should be "Galaxian III".) I was also annoyed that they never did a complete Pac-Man arcade cabinet collection with all the Pac-Man games. This is mainly due to legal issues with any use of Ms Pac-Man owing royalties another company. (Hence why newer Pac-Man games have him with characters called "Pac-Mom" or "Pac-Gal"). And Baby Pac-Man on any system would be incredibly difficult since it was half pinball.
Driv3r proves you can get GTA 3 on GBA. If you remove most of the textures, and go for a stylized minimalist aesthetic, you can even get solid geometry. Another approach is shown with Max Payne, where it's isometric backgrounds with polygon people living inside. Either approach would be more of what people were looking for, from a GTA game. Hell, even an Amiga 500 could run a fully 3d sandbox game called Hunter. And, unlike a GBA, an Amiga 500 can't run Doom. Or, if all that's still too ugly, just pull an Urbz, and pre-render everything. People just expected more character from the franchise, than an overhead slide show that was up it's own ass with self-reverance. Also, Ms. Pac-Man features new ghost AI, moving fruit, and multiple stages. I get the reductionist take was a bad joke, but you're talking about one of the most popular and respected sequels of all time. It's better to aim your humor at a worthy target.
Paperboy 2 didn't suck as a whole. It was mainly the Mindscape version released on almost every system. The Genesis exclusive version was different and much better.
Tetris 2 didn't really rip off Dr. Mario since it was designed by the same team Nintendo's R&D1, although it was farmed out to famed "ghost" developer Tose, who actually produced the design. And That's because Tetris 2 was a quick and dirty attempt to squeeze a few more bucks out of Tetris by Nintendo before they lost the license.
I had the PC version of Paperboy 2. Terrible very broken game. There was a frequent glitch where you would crash without crashing into anything. Beyond unacceptable! Should have never been released.
@@Smurfideologue I'm all but absolutely positive it's an Ai version of his voice. They only need 10-30 seconds of you speaking to mimic your voice with AI, just saw a commercial with Joe Rogan talking about a product and could just barely tell it wasn't him. Plus, it was a crap product and with all the $ he has, he's not selling out for a commercial
Please stop saying "Mary-o" instead of "Mahh-rio" and it's "Galax-ee-an" not "Galaxun" c'mon man. I know this sounds picky but it makes me take you less seriously.
@@nin_tendo6458 I think it's some kind of gay Michigan thing. Michiganders always have to add some pointless twist to things just for the sake of being weird and quirky. "I wear shorts in the winter, look at me."
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I played Paperboy 2 first, the DOS version. It was a lot of fun, I thought. Never saw the arcade original, but that handle bar on the cabinet is so awesome
I actually received Paperboy 2 on Genesis for Christmas when I was a kid In 1992 and I still enjoy it to this day.
N64 version was really bad...
Same. I love Paperboy 2. I still have my Genesis hooked up and been buying bucket-list games off ebay I always wanted before they become permanently unaffordable.
I had the SNES version, then years later the NES version.
So fun vandalizing in the game.
A Paperboy 2 fan checking in. I grew up in the SNES and Genesis era, my brother having the SNES (before I later acquired my own), and me having a Genesis model 2 a couple years later. I remember renting PB2 probably for both the SNES and Genesis a few times, and later when our local video rental store was selling all of their SNES and Genesis games, I bought their copy of PB2 for the Genesis. So then, in 2001, I got myself a NES through eBay, and I can't remember if it came with the console in a "console & games lot" (which is how I got my NES, it came with about 15 or 20 games), or if I bought the loose cart separately later, I'm pretty sure it came in that eBay listing, but I somehow got the first Paperboy, and, I tried it a few times, but it just never clicked with me, I just liked PB2 so much more.
During the NES era Nintendo would only allow 3rd party companies to publish a set amount of games per year on the NES. So 3rd party companies would get around this by publishing games under a second name. Konami published some of their games under Ultra, and Atari published some of their games under Tengen. Same companies different names. Tengen is Atari, and Ultra is Konami.
You're correct, and I didn't even notice that. I've got to think that the switch still impacted developers though, unless the companies were truly just playing shuffle with developers too?
This isn't quite right in the case of Tengen. While it's creation was partially to do with the five game per year limit Nintendo of America(not Nintendo of Japan) had as part of its licensing agreement. It also was a necessity due to the fact that there were two Atari companies at this time. Atari was split into two after the crash by its owner Time Warner. There was Atari Corporation, which consisted of the home division which was sold to Jack Tramiel after he was driven out of Commodore, and included the microcomputer lines and home consoles and the exclusive rights to the name Atari for home use. The other, Atari Games inc. was the arcade division, which could not release their games under the Atari name on any home system be it console or microcomputer. Thus they needed to create a subsidiary company to publish their arcade games on any home systems anyway and Tengen was created to cover both issues.
@@anthonynoel57 And then down the road, Tengen became Midway Games West. I still remember seeing their address on the back of Midway Arcade Treasures and recognizing it as Tengen’s address.
Just like how they released the tank shooting game Vindicators under Tengen.
That is NOT correct.
Tengen was Atari Games.
When Warner sold Atari back in 1984, the company got split into 3.
Atari Corp which was the home division was sold to Jack Traimel (Former head of Commodore), Atari Games was the arcade counterpart and some of that was later sold to Namco, and Warner kept the telecommunications part for themselves.
So for Atari Games to release home games, they COULD NOT legally use the Atari name. So they went back to the game Go (which is where the name originated from) and used the name Tengen which was the center of a GO board.
Tengen was Atari Games. So THEY made Paperboy arcade and licensed out the home versions of the game (as that was before they started making their own carts).
Paperboy 2 on the Sega Genesis is probably more common than the original. I love PB2
The Genesis PB1 is a near-perfect port of the original, and PB2 is more of the same. A new side of the street to ride on, 1000 different layouts to choose from, and a choice of boy or girl?
It started from a stronger beginning point than the NES and Game Boy versions, and it's perfect, the best sequel fans have ever gotten for Paperboy!
I’m still bummed that Paperboy and Toobin’ didn’t become proper franchises. I guess they mostly stood out so much because of their then-novel modern settings, but I also just love the idea of basing games off of chill childhood summer activities.
Pac-man 2 is legit one of my favorite snes games, and to counter your point about original pac-man you technically don't control him. You point at a direction for him to turn, but he moves on his own.
8:35 King Galaspark is not in Galaga - he's in Galaga Arrangement. Two completely different games. Galaga doesn't have an ending unless you count the glitching making the game unplayable after level 255.
I'm here for the same comment. Dude has no clue
I actually played Paperboy 2 more than the first. My video store only had this version and not the first.
Yea, I've also only played Paperboy 2
The only version of Paperboy I owned was Paperboy 2 on the SNES. When I went back to the original, I realized that for all the bashing, 2 very much does improve on a lot of things in the original.
At 1:42 I was thinking "Tengen was a subsidiary of Atari" but even so it would probably have been a completely different development team so your point stands. Excellent video.
Thanks so much!!
That makes no sense as Paperboy by Atari was a critical hit - the arcade version that is. Why would they contract an outside studio when they were perfectly capable in making the sequel themselves? Which they did. Don't forget Atari/Tengen made a better version of Tetris before Nintendo's versions.
PAC-MAN 2 was such a fun game to play along with PAC IN TIME
I remember playing that pacman sequel back in the day. It was so weird, but I did have fun with it.
Pac-Man 2 reminds me of the NES game Gumshoe, which was a sidescroller that used the light gun to kill enemies and also make the auto-walking PI jump.
I always thought Tengen were an Atari offshoot for console and home computer development. They certainly licenced a fair few Atari titles - Escape from the planet of the robot monsters, Vindicators and Klax immediately spring to mind.
I also believe this and came to the comments to make this point if nobody else did. I think they structured it that way in case the lockout chip workaround shenanigans triggered a lawsuit (which it did) so that they couldn't come after atari for more than the NES business
Tengen was just Atari's brand for games that were not officially "licensed" by Nintendo for the NES. They made their own game cartridges and their own version of the 10NES lockout chip.
What surprised me most is that there is an official Namco universe and in the official guide we learn that Galaxian, Ace Combat and Dig Dug all take place in the same universe but in different eras
LOL, sounds horrifying.
Awesome esoteric info!
also Mr. Driller is canonically Dig Dug's son.
@@fluffycritter That's so cool!
I have such a love and hate for Pacman 2. Very frustrating if you're trying to play the game the way its meant to be, but just messing with the slingshot is a good time
I grew up in this NES era. I had an Nintendo, and I didn't have Paperboy 2 at the time, but I played the 1st Paperboy on the system later in life in 2002, during the early 2000's, and I haven't beaten yet.
I prefer Paperboy 2 to the original. Plays great on the Amiga. PAL Mega Drive never got Pac-Man 2. 😥
Pacman 2 is like the long lost prequel to Pacman World.
Or maybe it's just the middle step between Pac Land and Pac Ma World?
The old commercial Ms Pacman has her singing "I'm more than just Pac man with a biw"😅
Way more
This was one of my favorite games to play on Commodore 128, the original Paperboy I mean.
Pac-man 2 was only granted Sequel Status in the west, in Japan, it was a one off called "Hello Pac-man"
What? Ms. PAC-Man has four or five different mazes. That’s a huge difference as far as I’m concerned.
In its day, yes, it was a big improvement.
I'm fairly certain that pacman 2 was more based on the cartoon rather than the original game
Correct - I mention that too.
In the case of Paperboy 2, it actually was the game’s original developers behind it. Atari Games is not the original Atari company, but rather the arcade division, which Warner kept since it was still making money, and the brand went to Jack Tremiel when he bought the consumer division. They worked out a deal where the arcade division owned by Warner could still use the Atari name in the arcades as long as they put the word Games after it, and they were not allowed to use the name in the home market at all, which is when they started using Tengen in the home market. So Tengen is the same company as Atari Games, they just were only allowed to use the Atari name in arcade games.
Yep - I missed that one - you and others have (correctly) pointed that out. I do wonder what impact it had on development, but the point is still fair.
what a great video thanks. so many id not heard of, i worked on gta. i remember seeing the advance one but never played. i also did the mobile port of paperboy2 which was a different game mostly (wheels on fire its called).
Man paper boy was a big deal when it came out
You can make an entire video on the various Frogger sequels, across 4 decades of hardware. And that's to say nothing on its predecessor and its own unofficial ports. Then, the unofficial ports of Frogger and, I'm sure, sequels to those titles!
Tengen *was* Atari. It was the development company put together to get around Nintendo licensing.
Yep - I missed that one - you and others have (correctly) pointed that out. I do wonder what impact it had on development, but the point is still fair.
Objection.
Both GTA 1 and 2 were MASSIVE hits in their own right, and that paved the way for the rest of the series.
I'm guessing you're just too young to remember it.
I loved pacman 2!
I had Paperboy 2, but on the SNES.
1:42 Tengen was Atari. They created the brand to make unlicensed games for the NES and not tarnish the Atari name. They also made a better Tetris for the NES than Nintendo that's still highly sought after.
I was aware of Paperboy 2 and Pac-Man 2. I was a fan of Pac-Land but thought that the controls were weird. Pac-Man 2 seems to have gone off the deep end in that respect. I have played Galaxian, Galaga, and Galaga'88, but was totally unaware of any others in the series. I never knew there was a final boss in Galaga.I had a version of Galaga on the PC and got farther into it than any other version, but I don't think I ever made it 30 levels in.
I think the NES version of Paperboy 2 was a re-skin of the Game Boy version of the game. That's why the graphics look downgraded a bit compared to the original. I'm not sure which system had the original version of Paperboy 2 though, it had a decent number of ports IIRC.
Nice video, it was interesting!
Thank you very much!
I owned tetris 2 and liked it way more than the original. I found the colors easier to deal with than making lines. Also had galaxian. One of my favorite games. I always thought it was a knockoff clone, not a sequel.
Just an FYI, Tengen was a subsidiary of Atari (the same company). Ms. Pacman was a hack that was later purchased by Midway.
So the Tengen thing I found out already - but Ms. Pacman I didn't know and thank you for sharing!
11:25 - That's total bull. If the video game industry has proven anything, it's that the same old regurgitated games sell better than anything. (Super Mario, Zelda, Call of Duty, Halo, Assassin's Creed, Madden, etc.)
I loved when Pac Man would make his smug face and start walking like doofus
my family had paperboy 2 and pac man 2 on snes lol
had and LOVED Tetris 2
Paperboy 2 is wayyyy better on the sega genesis
I've always been annoyed that the Arcade 1Up with Galaxian and Galaga didn't include Gaplus. (I'm also annoyed when it's referred to as "Galaga III". If anything, it should be "Galaxian III".)
I was also annoyed that they never did a complete Pac-Man arcade cabinet collection with all the Pac-Man games. This is mainly due to legal issues with any use of Ms Pac-Man owing royalties another company. (Hence why newer Pac-Man games have him with characters called "Pac-Mom" or "Pac-Gal"). And Baby Pac-Man on any system would be incredibly difficult since it was half pinball.
Mario is the best-selling game series of all time, not Tetris.
Driv3r proves you can get GTA 3 on GBA.
If you remove most of the textures, and go for a stylized minimalist aesthetic, you can even get solid geometry.
Another approach is shown with Max Payne, where it's isometric backgrounds with polygon people living inside.
Either approach would be more of what people were looking for, from a GTA game. Hell, even an Amiga 500 could run a fully 3d sandbox game called Hunter. And, unlike a GBA, an Amiga 500 can't run Doom.
Or, if all that's still too ugly, just pull an Urbz, and pre-render everything. People just expected more character from the franchise, than an overhead slide show that was up it's own ass with self-reverance.
Also, Ms. Pac-Man features new ghost AI, moving fruit, and multiple stages. I get the reductionist take was a bad joke, but you're talking about one of the most popular and respected sequels of all time.
It's better to aim your humor at a worthy target.
Get in touch with the physicians that you hired does not give us bathroom privileges.
Your video gives such 2007 TH-cam vibes. Which is a good thing
Ha! I'll take it. It's a retro channel, after all.......
Paperboy 2 didn't suck as a whole. It was mainly the Mindscape version released on almost every system. The Genesis exclusive version was different and much better.
Tetris 2 didn't really rip off Dr. Mario since it was designed by the same team Nintendo's R&D1, although it was farmed out to famed "ghost" developer Tose, who actually produced the design. And That's because Tetris 2 was a quick and dirty attempt to squeeze a few more bucks out of Tetris by Nintendo before they lost the license.
king galaspark is not in the original galaga. only galaga arrangement
Top stuff
Thanks so much!
I had the PC version of Paperboy 2. Terrible very broken game. There was a frequent glitch where you would crash without crashing into anything. Beyond unacceptable! Should have never been released.
Didn't know Tucker Carlson was into retro gaming
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
lol totally similar!
The longer I listen the more I think it is actually him 😮
@@Smurfideologue I'm all but absolutely positive it's an Ai version of his voice. They only need 10-30 seconds of you speaking to mimic your voice with AI, just saw a commercial with Joe Rogan talking about a product and could just barely tell it wasn't him. Plus, it was a crap product and with all the $ he has, he's not selling out for a commercial
Lmao can't unhear it
Wow this is an amazing video......!!!!!
Thanks so much!!
As a big fan of point and click games, that Pacman sequel looks terrible lol
It's kind of fun in a novel way. Definitely not something that is going to entertain you longer than a few hours.
Never liked the sequel to Paperboy
Wow this is a great video
Thank you!
Tengen is Atari they are the same company. Just used to skirt around game limits or nintendo and sega's shenanigans
Tengen was created by Atari, it isnt a 3rd party.
actually, there is no end to Galaga...You are confusing Galaga with Galaga Arrangement which is a different game
Atari and tengen are the same company right?
Tengen is Atari..
You were all wrong about beating galaga
That's not the original galaxian
Tengen=Atari
Wasn't there a Paperboy game for N64?
There was! Now I gotta look...............
@@AlmostSomething It's really, really bad....
Yep, people hate on it but it was actually really good!
Please stop saying "Mary-o" instead of "Mahh-rio" and it's "Galax-ee-an" not "Galaxun" c'mon man. I know this sounds picky but it makes me take you less seriously.
God I hate that so much.
Especially when Mario "himself" enunciates it in basically every single game since the 90s.
Oh shit, he's lost the respect of dcrock.
"Mary-o" is so grating to my ears, I don't know why so many people say it that way.
@@nin_tendo6458 I think it's some kind of gay Michigan thing. Michiganders always have to add some pointless twist to things just for the sake of being weird and quirky. "I wear shorts in the winter, look at me."
why does this sound like ai tucker carlson?
LOL. Third time i've heard that? You can rest assured I am not Tucker.
You didn't say you weren't ai though 🧐
Beep. Beep. System...overload...........
i cant unhear it now😂🍻
fantastic video. Just needs background music
Thanks! SO torn about this...others have complained about the audio being distracting or songs looping, and my videos are LONG so that makes it hard.
It's fine without music. Some people have autism.
Listening to you pronounce Mario hurts my soul.