Never fails to amaze me what you guys can grow at such northern latitudes. CIDPs are definitely great palms for the southern U.K. and that’s a super impressive specimen for that latitude, I can’t believe how far north that is! Incredible, thanks for sharing, great video!
I've only just found this video as I bought one of these today. Where I live on the Isle of Wight, we have quite a few decent specimens, the council have now put a few more in along the esplanade.
A house a few doors away from me in NW London planted a small canariensis in their front garden a few years ago, like your Blackburn example but closer to the window and even more sheltered and protected in a narrow bed. I didn't know them well enough to poke my nose in but you should see the state of it now with them having to constantly remove all but the new growth. The trunk is pretty impressive and I wouldn't like the job of removing it.
Hi, good idea to plant in a pot at this time of year. Unless you’re in a city centre you’ll need to do something to protect it during the worst of the winter weather though for it to get through
I wonder if sticking hay in the centre (like how you do with the tree ferns) does anything? I know fleeces work but blocks light. Give a try with sticking a handful of hay in the centre and wrap it around the centre frond? Good work bro.
Thanks Billy, yeah that will definitely take the edge off the lowest temperatures. Only thing that puts me off is I tried it on another palm about 5years ago and I’m still picking out grass seedlings now!
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 I can imagine. I am dedicated like you are to find ways to make it work. I think the only good chance we got is making hybrids. If only we could cross the pheonix with a jelly palm. I saw this video of a pheonix that was planted near a ventilation shaft it was the only matured non protected pheonix I saw inland. Keep up the good work. We will get there one day.
It's strange how much variety in climates there seems to be on our islands, given that they're not massively mountainous or anything dramatic. Down here (SW Cornwall) they're solidly hardy and need no protection. The council use them as generic landscaping palms on roundabouts, parks and around public buildings and they get basically zero maintenance beyond removal of old fronds on occasion. Livistonia Australis (Gippsland Palm) also seems to be tender in some regions, but down here can be regarded as hardy and needs no protection - again they've been used as council plantings and get no winter attention, though they're not as common as CIDP. Musa Basjoo is usually not protected here. Some public buildings have them as, and they mostly get no protection or attention at all, and have been fine for years throughout the winter. The larger ones around the uni campus and public parks are also left, though some of the smaller ones on some roundabouts and other public gardens do get covered if they're small enough - though seems to be a bit random - some are, some aren't - and it doesn't seem to make much difference anyway. Obviously, things like Chusan palm and European Fan palms are common and don't need anythhing, but they're *so* common around here that they kind of loose their impact. Most recently a load of Chusans got tossed into planters in Falmouth high street and used as anti-homeless space blockers, which is pretty depressing, and just plain awful :( - Alas they didn't bother watering them over summer, and being in planters mostly stashed in doorways and the like, they now look absolutely awful.
It’s great to see them do so well in several areas of the UK, just wish I could keep one alive in my garden! I’ll have to bite the bullet and plant a big one one day
Not quite sure what you mean by South Coast - perhaps you should take a trip to the Far South West, ie. the Penwith area of Kernow an Howlsedhes (Western Cornwall)? Phoenix Canariensis thrives here with examples rivaling those in Mediterranean sub-tropical climes clearly visible - there is one at least 5metres in height sitting in the middle of a roundabout less than 1km from my house in Pensans!
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 We've now planted five young trees (just about 1m tall) along the border of our driveway - they seem to like the climate here - hopefully they will grow taller (very slowly) and expand their overall size. Eventually we aim to highlight these trees by installing some subtle uplighting just as they do in sunnier Mediterranean regions.
Blackburn wow ...must be a northern world record lol ... i know they thrive on the south coast and remember seeing one in Torbay in the 1980s , i think it was like 80 years old
Unfortunately it’s dead now like! Survived 7 or 8 typical or slightly colder than typical winters but December last year saw it off. I wondered if it would recover but the owner has (somehow) removed it.
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 that's a shame although they do have a habit of outgrowing the garden 😆 I wonder if it was a few cold days rather than one extremely cold day ? I've never yet seen one in East Anglia where its quite dry but the cold spells here are colder than even Lancashire ..central London must be the limit I guess
I've got one growing outside in my garden in a tall pot, I live in the East Mids UK we get some quite mild weather compared to some parts of the UK. It has been outside constantly for well over 3 winters and probably more than doubled in size, growing plenty of new leaves from it's centre. However our winters are usually quite mild and I've planted it right up against my concrete garage wall which gets plenty of low sun on it through winter, which I think helps to keep it above freezing! But this winter was quite harsh with temps well below -10c I think it has suffered because the 2 new leaves that were coming from it early this year have both gone like a light brown colour, I presume they've died? Any ideas on what I can do to help it? Any feed suggestions? Do I pull out the dead growth or leave it? I've never given it any feed, just recently give it a bit of miracle grow, the rest of the plant looks very healthy, just don't want to lose it completely. Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.👍😎
Thanks for your question. Unfortunately it sounds like the growing point has been hit by the cold. The spear will very likely fall out soon. You can treat these with hydrogen peroxide which i've done in a seperate video. Look for my video on "spearpull". Unfortunately, i fear it'll be a slow recovery but might be worth trying as replacement plants are few and far between at the moment and quite expensive. Good luck!
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 Cheers for the advise, I'd hate to lose it after all this time! I just noticed a load of young plants at my local Tesco for £5 I might invest in a couple more.
@@stevefletcher8157 It's still OK but not grown any new leaves from the centre after those 2 died, I think I might try repotting it this spring. The little one is doing fine, I repotted it at the end of summer as it was in a small pot and very pot bound, lots of new growth and I left both out through winter, had a few frosty nights below freezing! I should bring them in really but the bigger one would fill my porch. I bought a fan palm and that is doing really well.
Hi i have just got my plam its 1 meter high iam going to re pot it could i keep it in my conservatory over the winter time or would it be best to keep it outside as eventually i will be wanting to plant it in the garden permanently the only problem is i live in the northeast uk close to the seaside
Hi Robert, yes I should think it will be fine I’m the conservatory over winter. Should do well in pots for 5-10 years but will eventually need to be planted out
Hi, hard to say as there are lots of variables but the mature one in the front garden at the start and end should take -7’c without much issue. The difficulty is getting them to that sort of size where they become hardier. They’re quite few and far between in the garden centres now but look out for them in B&Q or somewhere like that I would
In my opinion it’s mostly the lows. Agree that if we had hotter summers the palms would grow stronger and be able to withstand slightly lower lows. I get -6 or -7’c here in a typical winter.
Sadly, you don't get dates either, despite the name! The fruits are very different, smaller, rounder and quite bitter tasting! I believe in the Canary Islands they do use it to make a local jam, though.
La Phoniex Canariensis es mas bonita que la Phoniex Datilera. Las palmeras crecen y molestan sus hojas y raíces a la casa ya que esta sembrada muy pegada.
Hi Dave, for my location I’ve reached the same conclusion but unfortunately part of me isn’t able to give up! I don’t have money to throw at it so am growing small plants to a large ish size in pots to give them the best chance.
Never fails to amaze me what you guys can grow at such northern latitudes. CIDPs are definitely great palms for the southern U.K. and that’s a super impressive specimen for that latitude, I can’t believe how far north that is! Incredible, thanks for sharing, great video!
Thanks!
I've only just found this video as I bought one of these today. Where I live on the Isle of Wight, we have quite a few decent specimens, the council have now put a few more in along the esplanade.
That’s great to hear. They will grow just fine on the Isle of Wight I would have thought without the risk of big freezes?
I know of a good example in the front garden of a hotel in Weston super mare. It's huge rite on the seafront.
I haven’t been to Weston in some time, having grown up in Bristol, but can imagine they’d grow very well there - thanks
A house a few doors away from me in NW London planted a small canariensis in their front garden a few years ago, like your Blackburn example but closer to the window and even more sheltered and protected in a narrow bed. I didn't know them well enough to poke my nose in but you should see the state of it now with them having to constantly remove all but the new growth. The trunk is pretty impressive and I wouldn't like the job of removing it.
Yeah unfortunately most people don’t realise how big they get. Unfortunately the chainsaw man will probably be called at some point
Just bought one from B&Q. Planted it in a pot and hoping it stays healthy! I’m about 20-30 miles south of you.
Hi, good idea to plant in a pot at this time of year. Unless you’re in a city centre you’ll need to do something to protect it during the worst of the winter weather though for it to get through
Wow, very impressive. 💚😃
I wonder if sticking hay in the centre (like how you do with the tree ferns) does anything? I know fleeces work but blocks light. Give a try with sticking a handful of hay in the centre and wrap it around the centre frond? Good work bro.
Thanks Billy, yeah that will definitely take the edge off the lowest temperatures. Only thing that puts me off is I tried it on another palm about 5years ago and I’m still picking out grass seedlings now!
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 I can imagine. I am dedicated like you are to find ways to make it work. I think the only good chance we got is making hybrids. If only we could cross the pheonix with a jelly palm. I saw this video of a pheonix that was planted near a ventilation shaft it was the only matured non protected pheonix I saw inland. Keep up the good work. We will get there one day.
It's strange how much variety in climates there seems to be on our islands, given that they're not massively mountainous or anything dramatic. Down here (SW Cornwall) they're solidly hardy and need no protection. The council use them as generic landscaping palms on roundabouts, parks and around public buildings and they get basically zero maintenance beyond removal of old fronds on occasion. Livistonia Australis (Gippsland Palm) also seems to be tender in some regions, but down here can be regarded as hardy and needs no protection - again they've been used as council plantings and get no winter attention, though they're not as common as CIDP.
Musa Basjoo is usually not protected here. Some public buildings have them as, and they mostly get no protection or attention at all, and have been fine for years throughout the winter. The larger ones around the uni campus and public parks are also left, though some of the smaller ones on some roundabouts and other public gardens do get covered if they're small enough - though seems to be a bit random - some are, some aren't - and it doesn't seem to make much difference anyway.
Obviously, things like Chusan palm and European Fan palms are common and don't need anythhing, but they're *so* common around here that they kind of loose their impact. Most recently a load of Chusans got tossed into planters in Falmouth high street and used as anti-homeless space blockers, which is pretty depressing, and just plain awful :( - Alas they didn't bother watering them over summer, and being in planters mostly stashed in doorways and the like, they now look absolutely awful.
Thank you for your comment. Agree it’s a huge difference in climates over not a particularly far distance. I definitely have climate envy!
There are some great ones in Dawlish, Plymouth, Saltash and Penzance but then that's probably not a shock!
It’s great to see them do so well in several areas of the UK, just wish I could keep one alive in my garden! I’ll have to bite the bullet and plant a big one one day
I have a theophrasti in ground in Michigan, but will tie up and protect.
Awesome, good luck with it, will need quite some winter protection I’d have thought?!
Planting a CIDP in that small space is a continuous maintenance nightmare. It would make more sense to go with one of the smaller Phoenix species
Well, problem solved as unfortunately it died last winter (22-23). No phoenix species is hardy in Lancashire
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 Have you tried P. theoprastii? I have heard that it is as hardy as a Med Fan. Hard to find though
Not quite sure what you mean by South Coast - perhaps you should take a trip to the Far South West, ie. the Penwith area of Kernow an Howlsedhes (Western Cornwall)?
Phoenix Canariensis thrives here with examples rivaling those in Mediterranean sub-tropical climes clearly visible - there is one at least 5metres in height sitting in the middle of a roundabout less than 1km from my house in Pensans!
Sounds like my kind of place!
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 We've now planted five young trees (just about 1m tall) along the border of our driveway - they seem to like the climate here - hopefully they will grow taller (very slowly) and expand their overall size. Eventually we aim to highlight these trees by installing some subtle uplighting just as they do in sunnier Mediterranean regions.
@@peterdavidson3268 sounds great! Hope they settle in nicely and do well for you
Blackburn wow ...must be a northern world record lol ... i know they thrive on the south coast and remember seeing one in Torbay in the 1980s , i think it was like 80 years old
Unfortunately it’s dead now like! Survived 7 or 8 typical or slightly colder than typical winters but December last year saw it off. I wondered if it would recover but the owner has (somehow) removed it.
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 that's a shame although they do have a habit of outgrowing the garden 😆 I wonder if it was a few cold days rather than one extremely cold day ? I've never yet seen one in East Anglia where its quite dry but the cold spells here are colder than even Lancashire ..central London must be the limit I guess
@@zxz1 yeah it’s consecutive days below freezing that do the damage here
Ihave one in Essex about 7 feet in great condition.
Excellent, just shows it can be done. I think once they’re settled in and get going they’re pretty hardy :)
potted plants in clay/ terracotta containers are generally less cold tolerant.
Agree, but if they're in the pot you've got the advantage of relocating them for cold snaps!
I've got one growing outside in my garden in a tall pot, I live in the East Mids UK we get some quite mild weather compared to some parts of the UK.
It has been outside constantly for well over 3 winters and probably more than doubled in size, growing plenty of new leaves from it's centre.
However our winters are usually quite mild and I've planted it right up against my concrete garage wall which gets plenty of low sun on it through winter, which I think helps to keep it above freezing!
But this winter was quite harsh with temps well below -10c I think it has suffered because the 2 new leaves that were coming from it early this year have both gone like a light brown colour, I presume they've died?
Any ideas on what I can do to help it? Any feed suggestions? Do I pull out the dead growth or leave it?
I've never given it any feed, just recently give it a bit of miracle grow, the rest of the plant looks very healthy, just don't want to lose it completely.
Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.👍😎
Thanks for your question. Unfortunately it sounds like the growing point has been hit by the cold. The spear will very likely fall out soon. You can treat these with hydrogen peroxide which i've done in a seperate video. Look for my video on "spearpull". Unfortunately, i fear it'll be a slow recovery but might be worth trying as replacement plants are few and far between at the moment and quite expensive. Good luck!
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 Cheers for the advise, I'd hate to lose it after all this time!
I just noticed a load of young plants at my local Tesco for £5 I might invest in a couple more.
@@pdtech4524 sounds like a bargain to me!
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I see this comment was 8 Months ago. Is the plant still doing well? Also in the east mids. Just bought 2 of them.....
@@stevefletcher8157 It's still OK but not grown any new leaves from the centre after those 2 died, I think I might try repotting it this spring.
The little one is doing fine, I repotted it at the end of summer as it was in a small pot and very pot bound, lots of new growth and I left both out through winter, had a few frosty nights below freezing!
I should bring them in really but the bigger one would fill my porch.
I bought a fan palm and that is doing really well.
Hi i have just got my plam its 1 meter high iam going to re pot it could i keep it in my conservatory over the winter time or would it be best to keep it outside as eventually i will be wanting to plant it in the garden permanently the only problem is i live in the northeast uk close to the seaside
Hi Robert, yes I should think it will be fine I’m the conservatory over winter. Should do well in pots for 5-10 years but will eventually need to be planted out
Do you have any washingtonia Robustas? I have a few growing at home. They grow fast but need winter care
I have loads of seedling / very young robustas but I’ve yet to see one through winter outside! Where abouts are you in the uk?
hey there mate. whats the lowest temperature that they handle at ur place? also whered u get them?
Hi, hard to say as there are lots of variables but the mature one in the front garden at the start and end should take -7’c without much issue. The difficulty is getting them to that sort of size where they become hardier. They’re quite few and far between in the garden centres now but look out for them in B&Q or somewhere like that I would
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 awesome. whered u get them?
@@securethebag1613 well I grew most of mine from seed that I picked up on holiday:)
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 oh wow thats different. thanks anyway
Two we had here in Bristol got killed over winter.
Sorry to hear that. The big ish one shown here in Blackburn has also died, I think, although it may just have very bad damage and regrow in the summer
I’m in cardiff and we can grow big ones j
Good news! Who doesn’t love a big one? 👍
I'd guess the problem in Uk is not lows temperatures, but a lack of sunlight and heat.
In my opinion it’s mostly the lows. Agree that if we had hotter summers the palms would grow stronger and be able to withstand slightly lower lows. I get -6 or -7’c here in a typical winter.
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 Yikes!!!!
I think that people believe that if the garden centres stock them then they can grow them successfully but that's not always true.
Absolutely right!
Yes but MUST protect small ones
Agree
Will they fruit?
Hi Hasan, I believe a few palms have produced fruit with viable seeds in the uk, mostly on the south coast and London
@@palmsexoticsuk2194 wow thats soo cool too bad for me I'm in the Midlands lok
Sadly, you don't get dates either, despite the name! The fruits are very different, smaller, rounder and quite bitter tasting! I believe in the Canary Islands they do use it to make a local jam, though.
Nice 👍👋🇵🇱
Thanks Pawel!
I'm in Glasgow and keep flinging my money at these palms in the hope that one day they won't die 😂
Welcome to the club!!
Dilute hydrogen peroxide poured in the centre is often recommended to save plants which have had spear pull.
Thanks, yes I try that sometimes but I only have young plants and I’m not sure it’s ever actually worked to be honest
Buy them big. Place in a sunny and sheltered spot Then pray to the palm Gods.
Exactly right, David! If you can afford to buy a big one then it stands a much better chance of making it through the winter.
La Phoniex Canariensis es mas bonita que la Phoniex Datilera. Las palmeras crecen y molestan sus hojas y raíces a la casa ya que esta sembrada muy pegada.
This palm is not Hardy....do not bother
Hi Dave, for my location I’ve reached the same conclusion but unfortunately part of me isn’t able to give up! I don’t have money to throw at it so am growing small plants to a large ish size in pots to give them the best chance.