I don't mean to sound like a nerd or anything, but a "square meter of ice" is absolutely meaningless. They should've used a volume unit of measurement like a cubic meter or liter.
I think what she could have meant was, square meter of ice lost as observed from an aerial view / satellite. Hence the depth might not be accurately known to give a volumetric measurement...
I would've loved if they took the train or an alternative transportation to California. If you're reporting on more sustainable travel, it's a missed opportunity. You could've talked about the whole experience too and how mass flights have totally changed our perspective on distance and speed.
@@PASH3227 yeah, the reason I wouldn't take a boat to Sweden: What employer will give me two weeks off for trip there, two weeks off to get back, that's a month of being in transit without even taking the time of actually staying in Sweden into account! Plus, I would need 2 weeks worth of food supplies and surely the cost is more than what it would cost to fly! Especially flying within Europe itself where you can fly more than a thousand miles for £10!
Calculation tool is missing 3 extremely important variables: - the aircraft type your flying on - the load factor of the aircraft your flying on -amount of seating classes that the aircraft/airline operates B737 MAX 8 uses 2.28L of kerosene per 100km (per passenger). Whilst it’s older brother the B737-800 uses 2.77L of kerosene per 100km (per passenger) Both of these items are in a max seating config (200 seats for the MAX, 184 for the 737-800) This means that it is better for the environment to fly a low-cost carrier (Ryanair or Southwest) as the CO2 emitted on these flights can be shared over more seats
Yup However with biggest airplanes like A380, 777 it could not be possible to have a full economy plane for mass reason. So you are almost forced to have some premium seats. In aviation the volume is a limitation but the biggest might be mass... Therefore a first class passengers has not 5 times the impact
She said they had 84 flights in total and that half were for work, that leaves us with 42 non-work flights. Each had ~10 non-work flights, but remember that you have to go and come back, so that's 5 trips each (not counting that they probably had some transfers). It's still more than most people
(besides what the person above me said) Living in LA (I believe Vox is in LA?) Would mean many of the Vox workers probably moved to LA from somewhere else, so would more likely need to go on planes to visit home.
The main problem is that America is such a big country that any travel method that isn't flight is just too long to be practical. So we need the US to be broken into many smaller European sized countries that will hate each other enough to not fly to them
@@Lanosrep One could argue investment into high-speed trains would be a great solution, but it's politically difficult due to the ubiquity of the aviation and automotive lobbies, plus the costs of building that infrastructure; not to mention that new air routes only need an airport at the destination / point of origin, not a track that runs through people's backyards.
But maybe in so doing she has eliminated many thousands of unnecessary flights by raising awareness. And maybe people will consider electric transportation. As it is now, people drive oversized pickup trucks to their office jobs and run their car keys down the sides of other people's Teslas...
@@thePronto But is it really necessary for her to stand on an airfield next to the plane? They could just have hired a camera team in California for that segment. I'm glad this video was made, but the unnecessary flight right in the middle of it is a huge mistake.
The only REAL solution to the world’s energy problem that won’t cover every square mile in wind turbines is safe, clean, next-gen nuclear. Until the climate crisis alarmists start talking about nuclear as THE answer and not just “part” of the answer...I am changing nothing that I do. Because if you are not going to start doing the one thing that CAN solve the problem...don’t ask me to make sacrifices.
@@BrianReplies Climate change is a multifaceted problem. Yeah, I agree that nuclear energy is the gold star in energy, there's other problems as well that need solving. Such as deforestation, as an example.
A critical part of this has been missed out: Flying is the most efficient fossil fuel process we have today. Your car has to do 150 mpg to do better than a jet engine (or 25 mpg with 6 passengers). If you replace flying with another fossil fuel engine than you're damaging the environment even more. ALSO IMPORTANT: All batteries have a 'theoretical maximum density' based on thermodynamics and so that line of improvement will not continue to go up. The most weight efficient cell on the horizon today is Lithium Sulphur - theoretical maximum 5 times higher than current Li-NMC bu 2.5 times in practice and tiny lifetime.
I’m confused about why this was done in terms of square meters as opposed to cubic meters? Would be interesting to see this with context about the depth AND area of ice that has melted.
@@chillin5703 also vox: we couldn't find anyone in California to cover for us. We have deemed the internet is too toxic so we didn't even bother having a Skype call with the experts. Free flights ftw wohoo!
al dajjal shah e dunya also you: >ignores heavy possibility crew may have done other things in cali which may have required being present (this is one video in a series of premiums rn) >ignores fact that the point of the video wasn’t even that one should not fly planes, but should be aware of the consequences >ignores they likely would not have been able to get decent footage without actually going over to report on them
Vox: We know that the flight could have been accomplished with a couple of emails and a phone call and a local reporter, but since we supported a law that killed freelance work in California, we’ll send on a flight to prove how we shouldn’t be flying...
I have flown twice in the last 4 years so it is quite bizarre to be lectured about flying by a Vox team that has taken 84 flights in just the last year, and another one to make this video. Not doubting the importance of the situation, but still.
Why are you measuring the melted ice in squared meters? Ice is 3d object it should be cube meters.. I have no clue how to interprete that data like this
😂😂😂😂Me too but I am sure we eat 10 kilos of meat a year because nowadays meat is everywhere and even if you can't afford it there is always a cheap alternative 😂
Dude, Vox flew her out there so they could film the Pipstrel flying a training route. You know...so the rest of us don't have to fly out to Cali and do that in person...
That's the very heart of climate change isn't it? We all suffer from the effects of global warming, but no individual (in the sense of country) wants to be the one to implement policy change (eg, 2 maximum flights per year, 1000 mi air travel a year, etc). Because if Country A does that, and Country B and C doesn't, then Country A is just getting the short end of the stick. Classic Tragedy of the Commons problem really. Which is why we need a strong organisation to impose this on everyone to make sure we all play by the same rules. Which doesn't exist. I think it's lovely that Vox made this video, but of course there is no call to action for this anyway. The only response we got from their staggering 84 flights statistics was "Yea we should do better", or "Something for Vox to think about". I think this is a perfect example of the problem. We should let others think about this rather than take responsibility for our own individual actions to fly.
@@lucabernardini3975 self entitlement breeds narcissism. I'm going to fly half way across the country to talk about energy alternative. LIKE BRUH WHAT YOU NEED IS SCIENTISTS. AND IM PRETTY SURE YOU COULD WHIP UP A SKYPE CALL TO DISCUSS SOLUTIONS TO THE CURRENT PROBLEMS?
@@sachinpatel7891 how about we do a massive increase in geothermal heating to reduce propane and natural gas usage and make a massive shift into nuclear power plants to completely stop using petroleum for electricity production.
Meat seems to be way to small, I assume that's because they only looked at CO2 emissions and did not consider CH4 (Methane), which is much more harmful. One also needs to consider the land used for meat production and the deforestation caused by it.
84 flights between 4 people, in a single year, and HALF were work related? So, the other half were personal? I'm a software developer in my mid 40s, I'm not wealthy but I'm not poor either ... I can't even begin to identify with a lifestyle that involves SO MUCH leisure air travel. "Right" or "wrong", you folks need to realize your lives and your use of air travel are not normal. If this feels normal to you, it's time to step out of your bubble.
While I agree, it does seem they counted each stop as a separate flight. So on average 84 / 4 = 21 flights per person / 2 for work flights = 10.5 personal "flights" per year per person. But we already saw a few flights with obvious layovers drawn on the map. So if we assume 1 layover on average per travel, that's "only" 5 flights, or 2.5 return trips per person per year. That's still a lot, and I think it goes to show how much impact even a "single trip" can have, but at least that number makes it sound more understandable.
Indeed. I'm 38, also a programmer and with a decent paying job,, and even counting every leg as a separate flight, I've flown a total of 6 times in the last 10 years. And that's the problem with all this hand wringing: half the time the people screaming that we all need to reduce our level of activity X are the ones who are doing the most of it.
It also depends on where you live. I live in Ireland so being an island, a lot of travel involves taking a flight. One year I took over 100 flights excluding business travel because it was cheaper for me to take a four hour flight to the canary islands every weekend and lie on the beach than go out for a meal in my home city. I don't do that anymore (in fact I haven't flown for a few years now), but it's a surprisingly easy habit to fall into especially if you live near a hub airport with below €20 flights to all of europe. I've offset my past use by planting hundreds of acres of land I own with trees and my current carbon footprint is sub 10 tons per year.
Man, get over yourself. These are just 5 trips. Or even less with layovers. It's more than most people but it's not unheard of. I don't live in my home country anymore and if I want to see my family 3 times a year, I would nearly fly as much as them.
@@eldiantre7346 Except it isn't, considering the time it takes to get to an airport, wait for the flight, arrive to the destination, leave the airport and get to the city centre, trains are faster, especially with short-medium distances. You don't need to be in the station 2 hours before departure and you'll go from city centre to city centre. It does need to be subsidized, but not "heavily".
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
40 flights a Year? I am 55 years old and I’ve flown 18 times in my lifetime. The rest of my vacations were cruises on ships and I’ve taken trains and drove across the United States. So I guess if you fly 40 times a year means you have a job that requires travel.
I loved the visualisation with the blankets. Such a creative and impactful way to show how much damage flying can do. I'm glad everyones blankets will be much smaller this year and hopefully we can continue this trend into the way we travel after this crisis.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
I feel it’s better to be accountable for our actions, and Vox would get respect points for owning up to their flight usage and changing their behavior. Let’s see if they switch to taking trains to do reporting after making this video. Imagine if they took a stance and did that! I understand this is entertainment and they may not actually care deeply about the topic. I’ve seen youtubers who actually care about making a difference in the world. Those people rock.
@@keezer4346 I believe they are based in the US, there is no railway system to speak of and a company can hardly pay their employees for the 4 days it would take them to go to the other side of the country and 4 days back. That is simply not a realistic change. If they want to change they need to change their way of reporting. But they are using the method of going to location, because it works. See the problem here?
I am an aviation enthusiast and I think flying 10 times a year is too much. I also think it would be great if there was an alternative to flying which would be better for the environment
@@owenrodgers8020 I don't feel like area is a valid measurement here. What does 1 m^2 of ice melting mean? 1 m^2 of ice melting seen from an aerial view? That can't be it, because it based on their data, year worth of planes would melt every bit of ice. So then what does it mean?
No I'm bothered by the fact that they didn't check their data beforehand and realize that we are the end of a so-called Ice Age not the beginning of one. And that there have been many so called ice ages before this thst have come and gone on this planet.
Flight shaming made me laugh. It must be a delightful privilege to have choices. If my continent had a train system as advanced as the EU, heck! I won’t be flying too.
Or maybe you don't need to travel as much. Maybe we should completely stop taking flights just for a weekend. And when I say "we" I mean rich people because poor people don't fly (which shows that it's not really necessary and that we could all fly less because flying is a privilege). But I agree it's a bigger sacrifice than eating less meat or using less heating. It's also the most useful to reduce your carbon footprint.
You realize Casey rarely drives a car, he either cycles or boosted boards everywhere. If he does drive it's a Tesla. Of course the battery power for his boosted board and Tesla is probably from fossil fuels, some of it is solar power. In the end his environmental impact is probably pretty close to ours.
theyoutubechannel pls don't even try to defend him. he sounds like he is aware of environmental issues. he might even compensate his co2 emissions. still he is miles beyond any avarage consumer. just think of all the international flights he takes to give speeches.
James Garrard Electric cars help reserve climate change, but I recently learned that the bigger they are, the less they help. Lots of companies making bigger electric cars...
The US is not even close to the biggest polluter in the world. Also no SUV’s available right now in the US get 7km/l. If SUV’s didn’t exist in the US the total numbers for global carbon emissions wouldn’t change a single percentage.
Small minded people blame a global problem on a specific country. Do some research on what you say before you say it. The largest contributing areas to global warming are Africa and Asia which are Continents. Look it up. Educate yourself.
Or those in the middle east that use them frequently...or the govt that uses hummers and other stuff. And really we need to stop electricity as it runs mainly from coal and gas...lets go back to horse and buggy, and the family stove that warmed the home. Course we'd need to also have crops too...because fuel is used to bring in out of season or non available fruits and veggies...im sure everyone can do this.
Beebzie not necessarily. The flight itself may take only an hour but driving to the airport checking in and waiting at the gate may take up to 3-4 hours depending on where you live.
Beebzie time is irrelevant really. Europeans have enough of that. I agree om the cost though, it’s often several times more expensive to travel by train
I know it's expensive but it's the right thing to do, if you reduce the amount of vacations you have, you'll be able to afford the train, that's what I did, also if you book long enough in advance you'll be saving half of the money
The reason I wouldn't take a boat to Sweden: What employer will give me two weeks off for trip there, two weeks off to get back, that's a month of being in transit without even taking the time into account of actually staying in Sweden! Plus, I would need 2 weeks worth of food supplies and surely the cost is more than what it would cost to fly! Especially flying within Europe itself where you can fly more than a thousand miles for £10!
Glider pilots watching this video: **Laughs in wind and rising air** *Edit* : for those commenting about the tow plane, I know of a few self launch electric gliders that charge via solar energy
@@tsuchan gliders sometimes take off via another plane, which would still be emmiting quite some CO2, although in my experience most gliders take off by a long rope that gets pulled in. This, I imagine, wouldn't be such an impact
tsuchan1 There is no “inefficient” fuel part of a fligt, as gliders don’t use engines (except the self take off capable gliders) but they do use a tow plane which ties them to 400 meters average, which produces co2
Is it wrong to fly? Yes but watch us do it anyway -Vox Not that I'm innocent either It's just that flying is so important to the global economy so I dont blame Vox or Americans or Europeans
It’s very hypocritical to say flying is wrong while they’re doing it much more often than us... if you wanna save the mother earth by not flying, then you should never consider flying...
Is the global economy more important than global climate? Is your welfare directly dependent on global economy? Should your welfare be dependent on the global economy? If yes, can Green New Deal successfully or start to successfully reverse that?
So one of the things that wasn't evaluated as an alternative fuel source for planes is something like Hydrogen which only adds water vapour to the atmosphere, it is an extremely energy-dense thing that can compete with gasoline. Now the electricity for the planes, of course, can be generated naturally and so can the electricity for creating Hydrogen. This is a much more feasible option as it will lighten over the length of a flight, unlike a battery. Also, gasoline never launched us into space but hydrogen did, just need to commercialize it.
They all are!!! You might forgive one slip. 5:30 “so that’s the square footage?” 12 square feet of ice is literally none. How many square meters can fit inside a meter cubed? Subtlety slipped in that they would donate the blankets. Jesus I feel myself getting older and more bitter for every second I watch.
Her value are shown in everyday actions but she gives us a wonderful example of how many thing ( even if we don't realize ) have a huge impact on climate change ... she has to tray true to what she says. Even in Rome where she had a speech for the lights and the other stuff they needed for the stage were powered by volunteers pedaling on their bikes 😊 ( I know your comment was just a joke) but I just wanna throw it out there !! 🤙
Matteo Molli but still, nobody has the time or money to ride across the Atlantic on a yacht. Let alone (in my case) across the Pacific. That’s an even bigger pond.
Atlantic is the best place for Greta. We can not change the climate deliberately. It took 300 years to contribute a tiny bit BY ACCIDENT. We can't reverse it, the ice has melted!!
Alexander Christopher I agree with u, she did it with a sailing boat, and of course right now is impossible for normal people to avoid flying, this has to start from the big air companies, but we can still do our part in reducing emissions in our everyday life. I would never judge anyone for taking an airplane instead for sailing ⛵️ 😂
This doesn't take into account the thickness of the ice or the time of the year where melting and refreezing occurs, which greatly varies as well. I'm no expert in geothermal studies but if a few people can "melt" that much ice compared to how many cars, trains, buses and airplanes travel daily for the past 40 or so odd years we wouldn't have any polar ice left. So scientifically there's something wrong here and I hope some scientist debunks these hipsters.
It’s just illogical to concentrate so much attention to flying when more than 95% of Co2 emissions are coming from somewhere else. Look at coal burning power plants in Poland, India and China.. Co2 does not affect the climate in per capita -amounts.
I wish just once these shows could end with, "Yes, you should feel guilty for flying. Make big change now." Emissions are worse for a single person in a car, but greyhounds are almost always full. Well, pre-pandemic. That adds a whole new dimension. But if planes can have great air filtration, which they do, buses could be made to have good air filtration.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
CoderShare its not because people choose not to care, but because currently we have no truly reliable solution for this kind of problem. Car and train emission? Use electric car, use public transportation Power plant? Use renewable source Food emission? Eat more veggies. Flying? we arent yet there.
@@ichhaiezv6395 I wholly and solemnly disagree. Here in the Southeast everyone knows that we need to change and no one is willing to make the sacrifices to fix it. It is our entire culture of consume and replace when broken. There are so few actually willing to curb their meat intake here or bother to reduce their waste. There is this complete lack of mindfulness that permeates our culture because we don't want to be inconvenienced even a little bit.
I’d like to see their sources for some of the emissions “facts”. It’s also important to note that CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas contributing to climate change or emitted in combustion. As well as this the electric aircraft is not without its polluting power when the aircraft takes off or lands the tyres produce particulate matter and I’m sure the source of the electricity is not carbon neutral, especially in the US.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
Europe: Hahahahahahahahah Trains aren't that great. They cost more, take a lot longer, and aren't that much better for the enviroment once you remember all the second tier services the trains need emit CO2 as well. Basically take that experience of sitting in coach with the screaming kid five rows back, and duplicate it at ground level, but for 5 times longer, for twice as much, with constant stops and starts where anyone can walk away with your luggage.
good response Marco, if you use your real name you get credit maybe publicly for a good response maybe not , maybe all air travel should be banned until they come up with something different it would be interesting probably comedic, then Pelosi and clan would stay home more, the infrastructure is already there ' run rails in the pavement on I-80 ' or all roadways if they're electrified electric cars would completely take over eventually, trucks too.
I would have liked to see a comparison of different modes of transportation over certain various distances (without initially considering the time taken) Like travelling from NYC to LA in car vs flight vs train
@@flofian678 Yes, just yes. There have been numerous studies done. One of the most interesting is the fact that in London it would cause less damage to the environment if every subway/tube passenger got a jet to work instead of the underground trains. Not everything you read is true mate. Always doubt everything and go look into what people say. Especially anything posted on Vox lol
@@kallie9229 exactly, a square meter of ice means absolutely nothing, what if you drink a square millimiter of water? it could mean a layer of one H2O atom or 1km deep layer
@@owenrodgers8020 Its called business. On the face of it everyone talks as if they care, but in the end all everyone cares about is their business and money.
The goal is to make the viewers think about how their travel choices affect the environment. It's doing a lot more good. You're intentionally missing the point.
Nice observation. Probably the researchers are using a predefined depth, and doesn't matter much since the area melted it's just a visual clue. I've tried to search the original paper but had no luck.
Hannes Königsmann I think you got it... Now scale those numbers. That’s way more than I thought and I’m not sure that includes the hydrocarbons used to produce. The segment even says that 12% of population fly yet a larger percentage buy and use devices on a yearly basis. They also all wear clothing and guess where the majority of that comes from. You can’t compare one device with one flight without scaling. The point is, this is a virtue signaling segment with a common sense answer.
Livestock industry emits more green house gases than combustion emissions from all transportation combined according to the FAO. Edit: I checked your sources and there is no source to back up your claim about the ice caps loss by sector of industry.
It isnt, actually its better than driving, it makes less emitions, there is less of a chance to crash + nowadays more and more planes are becoming more and more efficient
It's inevitable. We need to fined more efficient ways to consume, not to produce. Or we need to slow down. For 3 (piston engines) or 10 (Zeppelines) times.
As a guy who lives in Spain since he was born, I find very difficult (knowing our political complications) to recommend this channel to my friends, without hearing them say "Really? Do you follow Vox?" :/
You averaged 10 flights EACH in a single year for non-work trips?! That’s more than my lifetime total.
Class divide, all of their parents are likely rich, and they have never known any other lifestyle.
Fr, I’ve been on a flight 4 times
poor soul, haven't flown practically anywhere :(
@@vesenx poor soul, haven't flown practically anywhere :(
Its not cuz of parents Vox pays for the flights
I don't mean to sound like a nerd or anything, but a "square meter of ice" is absolutely meaningless. They should've used a volume unit of measurement like a cubic meter or liter.
A square meter of ice of infinite thinness
I think what she could have meant was, square meter of ice lost as observed from an aerial view / satellite. Hence the depth might not be accurately known to give a volumetric measurement...
@@IjtabaHussain I don't think so because if that massive area of melted ice is observable from space we'd be doomed.
The woman in the video compared it to cubic meters. They just used square meters to make it easier to see and understand
Don't worry, all the multi-year ice has melted. The little that's left is basically the same thinness.
I would've loved if they took the train or an alternative transportation to California. If you're reporting on more sustainable travel, it's a missed opportunity. You could've talked about the whole experience too and how mass flights have totally changed our perspective on distance and speed.
How long would it take to drive or take a train to Fresno to New York City? Time is important too!!
Trains or public transport doesn't exist in America. Everybody drives.
@@PASH3227 yeah, the reason I wouldn't take a boat to Sweden:
What employer will give me two weeks off for trip there, two weeks off to get back, that's a month of being in transit without even taking the time of actually staying in Sweden into account!
Plus, I would need 2 weeks worth of food supplies and surely the cost is more than what it would cost to fly! Especially flying within Europe itself where you can fly more than a thousand miles for £10!
What train runs from NYC to California?
@@MajorMlgNoob Amtrak does. It will take you 3 days to get there, though.
Calculation tool is missing 3 extremely important variables:
- the aircraft type your flying on
- the load factor of the aircraft your flying on
-amount of seating classes that the aircraft/airline operates
B737 MAX 8 uses 2.28L of kerosene per 100km (per passenger). Whilst it’s older brother the B737-800 uses 2.77L of kerosene per 100km (per passenger)
Both of these items are in a max seating config (200 seats for the MAX, 184 for the 737-800)
This means that it is better for the environment to fly a low-cost carrier (Ryanair or Southwest) as the CO2 emitted on these flights can be shared over more seats
Exactly
Yup
However with biggest airplanes like A380, 777 it could not be possible to have a full economy plane for mass reason. So you are almost forced to have some premium seats. In aviation the volume is a limitation but the biggest might be mass...
Therefore a first class passengers has not 5 times the impact
If we are talking about boeing 737 max 8 i think we should factor in the CO2 emitted by burning of the debris too.
I’m glad the comments still make good points.
@@alperakyuz9702 Hahaha....yep.
i’m sorry, so on average you guys each had 10+ flights a year that weren’t for work?
She said they had 84 flights in total and that half were for work, that leaves us with 42 non-work flights. Each had ~10 non-work flights, but remember that you have to go and come back, so that's 5 trips each (not counting that they probably had some transfers). It's still more than most people
(besides what the person above me said) Living in LA (I believe Vox is in LA?) Would mean many of the Vox workers probably moved to LA from somewhere else, so would more likely need to go on planes to visit home.
The main problem is that America is such a big country that any travel method that isn't flight is just too long to be practical. So we need the US to be broken into many smaller European sized countries that will hate each other enough to not fly to them
@@Lanosrep Well, that's one way to fix the problem. America has guns though. Making people hate others probably isn't that... safe. 😅
@@Lanosrep One could argue investment into high-speed trains would be a great solution, but it's politically difficult due to the ubiquity of the aviation and automotive lobbies, plus the costs of building that infrastructure; not to mention that new air routes only need an airport at the destination / point of origin, not a track that runs through people's backyards.
"Is it wrong to fly due to carbon emissions?"
*immediately flies 7000 miles to look at a well-documented airplane*
But maybe in so doing she has eliminated many thousands of unnecessary flights by raising awareness. And maybe people will consider electric transportation. As it is now, people drive oversized pickup trucks to their office jobs and run their car keys down the sides of other people's Teslas...
@@thePronto But is it really necessary for her to stand on an airfield next to the plane? They could just have hired a camera team in California for that segment. I'm glad this video was made, but the unnecessary flight right in the middle of it is a huge mistake.
The only REAL solution to the world’s energy problem that won’t cover every square mile in wind turbines is safe, clean, next-gen nuclear. Until the climate crisis alarmists start talking about nuclear as THE answer and not just “part” of the answer...I am changing nothing that I do. Because if you are not going to start doing the one thing that CAN solve the problem...don’t ask me to make sacrifices.
@@BrianReplies Climate change is a multifaceted problem. Yeah, I agree that nuclear energy is the gold star in energy, there's other problems as well that need solving. Such as deforestation, as an example.
Brian Kurtz u sound like a child. American right?
A critical part of this has been missed out: Flying is the most efficient fossil fuel process we have today. Your car has to do 150 mpg to do better than a jet engine (or 25 mpg with 6 passengers). If you replace flying with another fossil fuel engine than you're damaging the environment even more. ALSO IMPORTANT: All batteries have a 'theoretical maximum density' based on thermodynamics and so that line of improvement will not continue to go up. The most weight efficient cell on the horizon today is Lithium Sulphur - theoretical maximum 5 times higher than current Li-NMC bu 2.5 times in practice and tiny lifetime.
@Speechless thats too slow
Logic and science has no place here.
@Speechless Such extreme solutions haha but I agree it will get to this point if we cannot figure these problems out fast.
@@johneurek8181 Despite how uplifting Vox videos can be, this how I feel sometimes watching them: speak to a real scientist Vox
Solution boat travel
Vox: Is it bad to fly?
Coronavirus: *YES*
No corona says no
@Fernas Zaidan (617ferzaid) no.
@@Julianna.Domina do you accept uwu
@@tatotenaglia6548 No(Wo)
Or rather "No! Bwahahahaha" while rubbing the hands he doesn't have but gotcha point. It's true the bug changed a lot.
I’m confused about why this was done in terms of square meters as opposed to cubic meters? Would be interesting to see this with context about the depth AND area of ice that has melted.
Yes I had the same thought. This is very confusing to me.
Because in sience, the metric system is the standard:-)
Area doesn't say anything
@@nemozi6908 the cube is metric! a 3rd square.
@@nemozi6908 thats not what he said genius
Vox: flying is bad
Also vox: let’s fly across the country to talk to a guy for a couple of minutes
Also vox: We're doing this flght to raise a documentary to get actual things changed
@@chillin5703 also vox: we couldn't find anyone in California to cover for us. We have deemed the internet is too toxic so we didn't even bother having a Skype call with the experts. Free flights ftw wohoo!
al dajjal shah e dunya
also you:
>ignores heavy possibility crew may have done other things in cali which may have required being present (this is one video in a series of premiums rn)
>ignores fact that the point of the video wasn’t even that one should not fly planes, but should be aware of the consequences
>ignores they likely would not have been able to get decent footage without actually going over to report on them
Vox: We know that the flight could have been accomplished with a couple of emails and a phone call and a local reporter, but since we supported a law that killed freelance work in California, we’ll send on a flight to prove how we shouldn’t be flying...
Did you watch it till the end?
Is it wrong to fly?
me and other people that are into aviation: *this is going to hurt...*
Riiz naaa I love flying
@@aquillas.g.8637 good to hear :D
@@aquillas.g.8637 xD
i won't stop flying until it's illegal
About as bad as driving, and the fuel efficiency is getting better.
So planes will probably stay longer than fossil fuel cars.
I have flown twice in the last 4 years so it is quite bizarre to be lectured about flying by a Vox team that has taken 84 flights in just the last year, and another one to make this video.
Not doubting the importance of the situation, but still.
Why are you measuring the melted ice in squared meters? Ice is 3d object it should be cube meters.. I have no clue how to interprete that data like this
Raffaele Piccini correct. It would be a fallacy otherwise.
I think it's the area shrunken, like how you measure the shrinkage or expansion of a country
Also, did they divide the number of people on the plane?
TajiLM no it’s not how it works, ice can be different thickness around the different parts of ice chunks and from chunk to chunk.
@@tomkaidalov6345 You're right, I'm just saying I think area (not volume) of ice sheets, like a country, is what they are trying to achieve
Me who never flown or drivin and don't eat more than 10 kilo's of meat a year
Laughs in poor
😂😂😂😂Me too but I am sure we eat 10 kilos of meat a year because nowadays meat is everywhere and even if you can't afford it there is always a cheap alternative 😂
Lken Ken american pork is cheap and generally trash
Ive never flown but i drive alot
Umm, you're truly not the shiniest knife in your family's kitchen drawer.
YOU ARE NOT POOR
"Its so like totally bad you guys uhh"
Corona virus: "Dont worry I can help reduce those emmisions."
I love how she flies to cali but she couldnt just Skype the guy. Tf. You wasted all that time money and co2 when you coulda skyped.
Or taken a train....
Oh shoot. She's the one responsible for global warming. Let's arrest her. Come on man
Dude, Vox flew her out there so they could film the Pipstrel flying a training route.
You know...so the rest of us don't have to fly out to Cali and do that in person...
Mitchell.....none of the big shots that attend the "climate discussions" Skype either....they fly...on private jets. Just them and their servants.
All I hear is “we all must make sacrifices for the climate (except for stuff I like of course)”
That's the very heart of climate change isn't it? We all suffer from the effects of global warming, but no individual (in the sense of country) wants to be the one to implement policy change (eg, 2 maximum flights per year, 1000 mi air travel a year, etc). Because if Country A does that, and Country B and C doesn't, then Country A is just getting the short end of the stick. Classic Tragedy of the Commons problem really. Which is why we need a strong organisation to impose this on everyone to make sure we all play by the same rules. Which doesn't exist. I think it's lovely that Vox made this video, but of course there is no call to action for this anyway. The only response we got from their staggering 84 flights statistics was "Yea we should do better", or "Something for Vox to think about". I think this is a perfect example of the problem. We should let others think about this rather than take responsibility for our own individual actions to fly.
@@centrist3684 "Somehting for Vox to think about"
literally five minutes later: "Let's fly to California for absolutely no reason!"
Lol on point. This channel is a farce. Still, nowadays people do like this "entertainment?"
@@lucabernardini3975 self entitlement breeds narcissism. I'm going to fly half way across the country to talk about energy alternative. LIKE BRUH WHAT YOU NEED IS SCIENTISTS. AND IM PRETTY SURE YOU COULD WHIP UP A SKYPE CALL TO DISCUSS SOLUTIONS TO THE CURRENT PROBLEMS?
Typical left wing hypocrisy!
Looks like vox needs to look into why their people need to fly so much and to see if they can reduce that.
They don't. That's not the point. If people need to travel, we need to find better options for travel.
@@flytrapYTP Better options?
Anthony is there any better option to travel far without flying currently? I dont think so.
@@flytrapYTP No need for options if we keep long travel a very ponctual thing .......
reporting and documentation do need getting all the way to the field tho, like Vox Border
Flying doesn't have an alternative. Everything else does.
Flying alone won't destroy the planet.
What do you think about airships?
pedro beato that’s fax
If the entire planet goes vegan it slows global warming by 25% cause the meat/ livestock industry produces so much carbon emissions
@@sachinpatel7891 how about we do a massive increase in geothermal heating to reduce propane and natural gas usage and make a massive shift into nuclear power plants to completely stop using petroleum for electricity production.
Boats exist you know
Meat seems to be way to small, I assume that's because they only looked at CO2 emissions and did not consider CH4 (Methane), which is much more harmful. One also needs to consider the land used for meat production and the deforestation caused by it.
yeah, things really got much much more complicated when we look at its life cycle
Yeah I was also quite shocked to see meat being so underestimated in their blanket analogy
Methane is not a permanent addition to the atmosphere, it breaks down after about 10 years.
@HeartMagnet The "mEaT LoBbY" isn't going to target some TH-cam video.
Also heavily depends on the kind of meat
84 flights between 4 people, in a single year, and HALF were work related? So, the other half were personal? I'm a software developer in my mid 40s, I'm not wealthy but I'm not poor either ... I can't even begin to identify with a lifestyle that involves SO MUCH leisure air travel. "Right" or "wrong", you folks need to realize your lives and your use of air travel are not normal. If this feels normal to you, it's time to step out of your bubble.
While I agree, it does seem they counted each stop as a separate flight. So on average 84 / 4 = 21 flights per person / 2 for work flights = 10.5 personal "flights" per year per person. But we already saw a few flights with obvious layovers drawn on the map. So if we assume 1 layover on average per travel, that's "only" 5 flights, or 2.5 return trips per person per year. That's still a lot, and I think it goes to show how much impact even a "single trip" can have, but at least that number makes it sound more understandable.
Indeed. I'm 38, also a programmer and with a decent paying job,, and even counting every leg as a separate flight, I've flown a total of 6 times in the last 10 years. And that's the problem with all this hand wringing: half the time the people screaming that we all need to reduce our level of activity X are the ones who are doing the most of it.
It also depends on where you live. I live in Ireland so being an island, a lot of travel involves taking a flight. One year I took over 100 flights excluding business travel because it was cheaper for me to take a four hour flight to the canary islands every weekend and lie on the beach than go out for a meal in my home city.
I don't do that anymore (in fact I haven't flown for a few years now), but it's a surprisingly easy habit to fall into especially if you live near a hub airport with below €20 flights to all of europe. I've offset my past use by planting hundreds of acres of land I own with trees and my current carbon footprint is sub 10 tons per year.
Man, get over yourself. These are just 5 trips. Or even less with layovers. It's more than most people but it's not unheard of. I don't live in my home country anymore and if I want to see my family 3 times a year, I would nearly fly as much as them.
@@hanagreg WOW, one of thoses "im gonna do what the F*&%! I want people".....why bother commenting no one's talking to you.
"There is no good alternative for flying"
Laughs in European
Trains
If you mean rail, then no rail isn't a good alternative. Its much slower and needs to be heavily subsidized to work.
Cries in Australian
You can’t take a train from nyc to la
@@eldiantre7346 Except it isn't, considering the time it takes to get to an airport, wait for the flight, arrive to the destination, leave the airport and get to the city centre, trains are faster, especially with short-medium distances. You don't need to be in the station 2 hours before departure and you'll go from city centre to city centre. It does need to be subsidized, but not "heavily".
Ah yes, I love showing awareness on why we shouldn't fly by flying.
@Violinist 1 that's not what the video argues........
@@MajorMlgNoob But it comes off like that.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
They actually measured the amount of melting arctic ice in SQUARE meters...
This is irresponsible journalism. Without talk in cubic meters their numbers are worthless.
Lord Ryder btw, did somebody realized how much cubic meters they meant? Or which height of the blankets they meant?
This is not journalism.
Exactly
Yeah it doesn't make any sense. Ice is three dimensional.
Global warming doesn’t cause melting of sea ice or fires nasa said this the temperature change is less than 1/10 of a degree
Me: I want to travel
VOX: I FLY 40 TIMES A YEAR AND YOU SHOULDNT
How true.
That's literally not what they said. Did u watch the video?
40 flights a Year? I am 55 years old and I’ve flown 18 times in my lifetime. The rest of my vacations were cruises on ships and I’ve taken trains and drove across the United States.
So I guess if you fly 40 times a year means you have a job that requires travel.
@@AP-kk4ys Last year I flew 20 times and I'm just a college student who doesn't travel for work. I image 40 times per year isn't that many
@@AP-kk4ys cruises ship are as bad as flight for CO2 emissions, you'll informations easily
I loved the visualisation with the blankets. Such a creative and impactful way to show how much damage flying can do. I'm glad everyones blankets will be much smaller this year and hopefully we can continue this trend into the way we travel after this crisis.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
A better video title: “Is it wrong for Us at Vox to fly?”
Keezer ur at 69 so im not liking
I feel it’s better to be accountable for our actions, and Vox would get respect points for owning up to their flight usage and changing their behavior. Let’s see if they switch to taking trains to do reporting after making this video. Imagine if they took a stance and did that! I understand this is entertainment and they may not actually care deeply about the topic. I’ve seen youtubers who actually care about making a difference in the world. Those people rock.
@@keezer4346 9
Do you fly? At least vox does for a good cause.
@@keezer4346 I believe they are based in the US, there is no railway system to speak of and a company can hardly pay their employees for the 4 days it would take them to go to the other side of the country and 4 days back. That is simply not a realistic change.
If they want to change they need to change their way of reporting. But they are using the method of going to location, because it works. See the problem here?
These people emitted more CO2 for this video than an average person emits in a month
Yep. I haven’t been on a plane since 2003.
Vox: "Is it wrong to fly?"
Aviation Enthusiasts: "So you have chosen death."
flying... it more like gliding.... death only need to happen once...
My fly shame when you can change
*Angry pilot noises*
I am an aviation enthusiast and I think flying 10 times a year is too much. I also think it would be great if there was an alternative to flying which would be better for the environment
CAKE OR DEATH!
I love how you guys use the blanket, the iron weights and the scaled models to show data. Really helps to understand the concept
Hydrogen fuel cells are another possibility for long term flights.
It's difficult to compress and the problem probably won't be solved before 2030
Me nervously watching this as a pilot.
Same.
Good thing is harbor Air is pushing to an electric fleet
Bruh
You're part of the problem.
Same as cabin crew
Same as a person in a long distance relationship
Anyone else bothered by them claiming it to be possible to measure melting ice in square footage
Why is that a problem? A cubed foot might be more accurate, but am area is still valuable
@@owenrodgers8020 I don't feel like area is a valid measurement here. What does 1 m^2 of ice melting mean? 1 m^2 of ice melting seen from an aerial view? That can't be it, because it based on their data, year worth of planes would melt every bit of ice. So then what does it mean?
@@owenrodgers8020 if that form of measurement is accurate we've already melted all the ice on the planet 😂
No I'm bothered by the fact that they didn't check their data beforehand and realize that we are the end of a so-called Ice Age not the beginning of one. And that there have been many so called ice ages before this thst have come and gone on this planet.
Uneducated
I wish the US had a convenient, affordable rail system. I would love to take train rides here, but they're so expensive and slow it makes no sense
How to skip school:
Sorry Im late teacher. It took me 3 weeks of walk to reach school.
@@juanitapardoisidororasgado5398.... well spoken😂😂
Amy Puerto
@@juanitapardoisidororasgado5398 Honestly I think we should
Buy a bike!
,imagine being one of the people who got a small donated blanket that says“M E A T”
Spicy Official
Imagine being donated a 40 m^2 blanket
What do you even do with that? Cut it up into 20 normal blankets?
@@alexismisselyn3916 one word... fort.
😂
The words were “written” with black duct tape
@@michaelbellenger4925 pu
True strength is in the sound guy’s perseverance
~
Shows how much ice they melt
Next day: “i have to go on a flight for work”
One word: Plutocracy. Don't blame them
Flight shaming made me laugh. It must be a delightful privilege to have choices. If my continent had a train system as advanced as the EU, heck! I won’t be flying too.
Or maybe you don't need to travel as much.
Maybe we should completely stop taking flights just for a weekend.
And when I say "we" I mean rich people because poor people don't fly (which shows that it's not really necessary and that we could all fly less because flying is a privilege).
But I agree it's a bigger sacrifice than eating less meat or using less heating. It's also the most useful to reduce your carbon footprint.
I'm in Europe in Serbia, we don't even have rail roads just one and no one uses it :(
Casey Neistat: hold my first class ticket
spends 20 mins taking a shower in a granite bathroom in a flying studio apartment then spends an hour at his destination before returning.
@@jimmyryan5880 and then promotes team trees
You realize Casey rarely drives a car, he either cycles or boosted boards everywhere. If he does drive it's a Tesla. Of course the battery power for his boosted board and Tesla is probably from fossil fuels, some of it is solar power. In the end his environmental impact is probably pretty close to ours.
theyoutubechannel pls don't even try to defend him. he sounds like he is aware of environmental issues. he might even compensate his co2 emissions. still he is miles beyond any avarage consumer. just think of all the international flights he takes to give speeches.
Exactly. He's PERSONALLY responsible for climate change at this point.
So you mean all those times I took Amtrak because it was cheap, I could've gotten social media praise? Missed opportunities man
Maybe this wouldn’t be so bad if Americans didn’t drive SUV’s with like 7 km/l Jesus
Wait till the model Y comes out.
James Garrard
Electric cars help reserve climate change, but I recently learned that the bigger they are, the less they help.
Lots of companies making bigger electric cars...
The US is not even close to the biggest polluter in the world. Also no SUV’s available right now in the US get 7km/l. If SUV’s didn’t exist in the US the total numbers for global carbon emissions wouldn’t change a single percentage.
Small minded people blame a global problem on a specific country. Do some research on what you say before you say it. The largest contributing areas to global warming are Africa and Asia which are Continents. Look it up. Educate yourself.
Or those in the middle east that use them frequently...or the govt that uses hummers and other stuff. And really we need to stop electricity as it runs mainly from coal and gas...lets go back to horse and buggy, and the family stove that warmed the home. Course we'd need to also have crops too...because fuel is used to bring in out of season or non available fruits and veggies...im sure everyone can do this.
Vox: Flying isn’t bad, we need mobility. Just do something about it
People in the comments: Vox: Flying is bad
Ikr
Vox: Is it wrong to fly?
Aviation enthusiasts: No, no and no
And another thousand times no!
well to be honest, I love planes but I fly less then one time a year, and not because I can't afford it, I rather take the train if its possible
@@MrJimheeren Trains are just as expensive if not more in some cases than commercial flying
@Andrew Battersby Very true
@Andrew Battersby better to spend our money on clean electricity generation than to take inefficient transport
The problem as an European is cost. Taking to train from Copenhagen to Madrid is a lot more expensive than flying
and it takes A LOT longer
Beebzie not necessarily. The flight itself may take only an hour but driving to the airport checking in and waiting at the gate may take up to 3-4 hours depending on where you live.
Beebzie time is irrelevant really. Europeans have enough of that. I agree om the cost though, it’s often several times more expensive to travel by train
That's so sad. If I bought an airplane ticket for next week to London, it would be a lot cheaper than taking the train or sometimes even the bus.
I know it's expensive but it's the right thing to do, if you reduce the amount of vacations you have, you'll be able to afford the train, that's what I did, also if you book long enough in advance you'll be saving half of the money
Never flew in 2019
Drove 6k miles in 2019 in a vehicle averaging 30 mpg
I had no options to sail across concrete in 2019
Sorry, Greta
The reason I wouldn't take a boat to Sweden:
What employer will give me two weeks off for trip there, two weeks off to get back, that's a month of being in transit without even taking the time into account of actually staying in Sweden!
Plus, I would need 2 weeks worth of food supplies and surely the cost is more than what it would cost to fly! Especially flying within Europe itself where you can fly more than a thousand miles for £10!
Glider pilots watching this video:
**Laughs in wind and rising air**
*Edit* : for those commenting about the tow plane, I know of a few self launch electric gliders that charge via solar energy
How do gliders get into the air? What is the most fuel inefficient part of a flight? I ask for enlightenment...
@@tsuchan oof
@@tsuchan gliders sometimes take off via another plane, which would still be emmiting quite some CO2, although in my experience most gliders take off by a long rope that gets pulled in. This, I imagine, wouldn't be such an impact
tsuchan1 There is no “inefficient” fuel part of a fligt, as gliders don’t use engines (except the self take off capable gliders) but they do use a tow plane which ties them to 400 meters average, which produces co2
@@haraldschevik5213 don't need a tow plane
Is it wrong to fly?
Yes but watch us do it anyway
-Vox
Not that I'm innocent either It's just that flying is so important to the global economy so I dont blame Vox or Americans or Europeans
lol they didn't say yes
Well that unnecessary flight to California certainly wasn't important to the global economy
It’s very hypocritical to say flying is wrong while they’re doing it much more often than us... if you wanna save the mother earth by not flying, then you should never consider flying...
@@luckywah8149 that is the point of the video!
Is the global economy more important than global climate?
Is your welfare directly dependent on global economy? Should your welfare be dependent on the global economy? If yes, can Green New Deal successfully or start to successfully reverse that?
This is amazing! I'm amazed by how well the show is put together!!! Great job guys!!!
So one of the things that wasn't evaluated as an alternative fuel source for planes is something like Hydrogen which only adds water vapour to the atmosphere, it is an extremely energy-dense thing that can compete with gasoline. Now the electricity for the planes, of course, can be generated naturally and so can the electricity for creating Hydrogen. This is a much more feasible option as it will lighten over the length of a flight, unlike a battery. Also, gasoline never launched us into space but hydrogen did, just need to commercialize it.
How are they currently producing hydrogen now? I do believe the current most efficcient way is through burning fuel now.
The people lecturing us on flying seem to use private jets a lot. 🙃
They went on commercial flights, not private
Macaroon_Nuggets not vox people like Leonardo decaprio who fly on private jest and then preach about the environment
Smechulock Reehimbe yeah, but that’s still not Vox.
It seems like senior Research scientist Julienne Stroeve is using wrong math to find out melting ice,
It should be in meter cube not in meter square.
They all are!!! You might forgive one slip. 5:30 “so that’s the square footage?” 12 square feet of ice is literally none. How many square meters can fit inside a meter cubed? Subtlety slipped in that they would donate the blankets. Jesus I feel myself getting older and more bitter for every second I watch.
I love the way your team works, the production is very creative and engaging 🙌
" but its not about any individual " *dividing all the blankets for every individual*
why didnt you just skype the electric plane guy
"Is it wrong to fly?"
It is all Wright to fly. I mean, just ask them
Genius 🤣
I love the Phoenix Wright series. They do fly a looooot XD
debish vebish wish cane and
I want to dap u and punch you at same time
Santos Dumont
They should have made a blanket for Johnny from borders XD
Do not eat meat, do not travel, do not live
I’m all in support of reducing emissions but not everyone is rich enough to sail across the Atlantic, Greta
Lol. Good thing electric planes are coming
Her value are shown in everyday actions but she gives us a wonderful example of how many thing ( even if we don't realize ) have a huge impact on climate change ... she has to tray true to what she says.
Even in Rome where she had a speech for the lights and the other stuff they needed for the stage were powered by volunteers pedaling on their bikes 😊 ( I know your comment was just a joke) but I just wanna throw it out there !! 🤙
Matteo Molli but still, nobody has the time or money to ride across the Atlantic on a yacht.
Let alone (in my case) across the Pacific. That’s an even bigger pond.
Atlantic is the best place for Greta. We can not change the climate deliberately. It took 300 years to contribute a tiny bit BY ACCIDENT. We can't reverse it, the ice has melted!!
Alexander Christopher I agree with u, she did it with a sailing boat, and of course right now is impossible for normal people to avoid flying, this has to start from the big air companies, but we can still do our part in reducing emissions in our everyday life. I would never judge anyone for taking an airplane instead for sailing ⛵️ 😂
The sound guy is a literal representation of production problems. Iconic.
i could watch joss all day
Vox: Stop flying, it is bad...
Birds: Am I a joke to you?
Entire world:
Vox: glad you asked
Everyone should stop flying immediately. Except for me, I really need to.
Y?
I'll start a gofundme account to buy you a private jet
This doesn't take into account the thickness of the ice or the time of the year where melting and refreezing occurs, which greatly varies as well. I'm no expert in geothermal studies but if a few people can "melt" that much ice compared to how many cars, trains, buses and airplanes travel daily for the past 40 or so odd years we wouldn't have any polar ice left. So scientifically there's something wrong here and I hope some scientist debunks these hipsters.
This video reeks of privilege
Germany: invest in renewables, ban old diesel cars
Elon Musk: make renewable sources and electric cars
Vox: let's swim across the Atlantic?
Elon Musk doesn't really care about the climate, mate.
@Andrew Battersby yeah let's let ourselves be controlled by fear of that highly unlikely scenario, mate
Germany are making things worse by shutting down Nuclear plants for purely political reasons and they're being replaced by Coal stations
@@Jamcad01 Yeah, Fukushima was shut down for political reasons as well. And Tschernobyl was a political meeting that flew over Europe in 1986.
@@lodiped as well as 90% of the planet.
Imagine everyone sailing across the ocean.
I know, imagine. Think aboudit..
it would take too long
Yes I can. How do you think people got to other countrys before steam or fuel.
Natalie Richardson aright Natalie, you get a boat next time.
@@natalierichardson7317 before steam or fuel...
It’s just illogical to concentrate so much attention to flying when more than 95% of Co2 emissions are coming from somewhere else. Look at coal burning power plants in Poland, India and China.. Co2 does not affect the climate in per capita -amounts.
I wish just once these shows could end with, "Yes, you should feel guilty for flying. Make big change now." Emissions are worse for a single person in a car, but greyhounds are almost always full. Well, pre-pandemic. That adds a whole new dimension. But if planes can have great air filtration, which they do, buses could be made to have good air filtration.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
It seems like environmentalism is finally arriving in the United States.
LOL! It's funny but very true.
It's been here since the 70s, people just choose not to care because they think it doesn't affect them.
CoderShare its not because people choose not to care, but because currently we have no truly reliable solution for this kind of problem.
Car and train emission? Use electric car, use public transportation
Power plant? Use renewable source
Food emission? Eat more veggies.
Flying? we arent yet there.
@@ichhaiezv6395 I wholly and solemnly disagree. Here in the Southeast everyone knows that we need to change and no one is willing to make the sacrifices to fix it. It is our entire culture of consume and replace when broken. There are so few actually willing to curb their meat intake here or bother to reduce their waste. There is this complete lack of mindfulness that permeates our culture because we don't want to be inconvenienced even a little bit.
no, it's not.
I don’t mean to get political, but this video is exactly 21 minutes long
cool
How is that political?
Someone explain...
@Don'tPlayOverwatch hey why don't you like Overwatch? I love it!
That's why I watched it on 1.75x speed
I’d like to see their sources for some of the emissions “facts”. It’s also important to note that CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas contributing to climate change or emitted in combustion. As well as this the electric aircraft is not without its polluting power when the aircraft takes off or lands the tyres produce particulate matter and I’m sure the source of the electricity is not carbon neutral, especially in the US.
Vox: ”Flying is destroying the planet” Also Vox: ”Don’t stop flying”
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
I wish we never destroyed our Trains in America.
Europe: Hahahahahahahahah
Trains aren't that great. They cost more, take a lot longer, and aren't that much better for the enviroment once you remember all the second tier services the trains need emit CO2 as well.
Basically take that experience of sitting in coach with the screaming kid five rows back, and duplicate it at ground level, but for 5 times longer, for twice as much, with constant stops and starts where anyone can walk away with your luggage.
Trains don’t cost more
good response Marco, if you use your real name you get credit maybe publicly for a good response maybe not , maybe all air travel should be banned until they come up with something different it would be interesting probably comedic, then Pelosi and clan would stay home more, the infrastructure is already there ' run rails in the pavement on I-80 ' or all roadways if they're electrified electric cars would completely take over eventually, trucks too.
@Andrew Battersby True for freight. Not for passengers.
@@userJohnSmith you people(humans) shouldn't be traveling any faster than the freight cars
I would have liked to see a comparison of different modes of transportation over certain various distances (without initially considering the time taken)
Like travelling from NYC to LA in car vs flight vs train
A flight would cause significantly less damage than getting a train or car from NYC to California.
@@JamieR1988 no, just no
@@flofian678
Yes, just yes.
There have been numerous studies done.
One of the most interesting is the fact that in London it would cause less damage to the environment if every subway/tube passenger got a jet to work instead of the underground trains.
Not everything you read is true mate. Always doubt everything and go look into what people say.
Especially anything posted on Vox lol
@@JamieR1988 "Not everything you read is true mate"
@@JamieR1988 Care to share any of these studies you've read?
I got a ad where Greta thunberg was saying that she didn’t fly...
And she was also vegan and didn’t buy anything except if she needed to
The measure of ice lost doesn't make any sense, if what she said is true about the amount of ice lost per person it covers almost all of Antarctica.
You realize ice sheets are layered on top of each other and deep right?
@@kallie9229 exactly, a square meter of ice means absolutely nothing, what if you drink a square millimiter of water? it could mean a layer of one H2O atom or 1km deep layer
And after making this video, these guys are gonna still fly, maybe even more, this year too.
Prove it
@@owenrodgers8020 Its called business.
On the face of it everyone talks as if they care, but in the end all everyone cares about is their business and money.
The goal is to make the viewers think about how their travel choices affect the environment. It's doing a lot more good. You're intentionally missing the point.
@@fn3516 this person is just pointing out the hypocrisy. Nothing wrong with that.
@@fn3516 viewers who fly maybe once in 1 or 2 years time.
Vox: Is working for Vox bad?
Audience: YES!
Me: no
This a dum brick trying to shame a multi media company
Why hasn’t our train system picked up? It’s more efficient for literally everything
Except time.
And I got an ad from Emirates AIrlines while watching this...
Can I get clarified on volume of ice instead of area
I agree, using the area is very ambiguous
I thought I was the only one who found that rather vague. Ice is thin, sure, but it's definitely NOT 2 dimensional 😂!!!
I see a few folks with a healthy offering between their ears here.
Nice observation. Probably the researchers are using a predefined depth, and doesn't matter much since the area melted it's just a visual clue.
I've tried to search the original paper but had no luck.
consider it the square area of sea surface that lost ice cover, important, as the more sea ice lost the quicker the ocean warm up
When Vox realizes where their devices come from: “is it wrong to own devices?”
Is it wrong to live? :)))
turns out there's no ethical consumption under capitalism
@@Hankyman583 What kind of a system would you like then? Communism?
@@joonatan3474 yes
Hannes Königsmann I think you got it... Now scale those numbers. That’s way more than I thought and I’m not sure that includes the hydrocarbons used to produce. The segment even says that 12% of population fly yet a larger percentage buy and use devices on a yearly basis. They also all wear clothing and guess where the majority of that comes from. You can’t compare one device with one flight without scaling. The point is, this is a virtue signaling segment with a common sense answer.
Question: Is it wrong to fly?
Answer: Only if the engine quits.
Livestock industry emits more green house gases than combustion emissions from all transportation combined according to the FAO.
Edit: I checked your sources and there is no source to back up your claim about the ice caps loss by sector of industry.
Me: has a 13 hour flight that’s departing in 12 hours
My yt recommendations: Is it wrong to fly?
No worries. It's not wrong to fly.
It is
It is but now you can't do anything about it, try to fly less in the future, ok? That would make me very happy 😊
It isnt, actually its better than driving, it makes less emitions, there is less of a chance to crash + nowadays more and more planes are becoming more and more efficient
It's inevitable.
We need to fined more efficient ways to consume, not to produce.
Or we need to slow down. For 3 (piston engines) or 10 (Zeppelines) times.
As a guy who lives in Spain since he was born, I find very difficult (knowing our political complications) to recommend this channel to my friends, without hearing them say "Really? Do you follow Vox?" :/
Manuel Fernández García i never made the connection. Thanks for that :)
Why what's vox in Spain?
@@RK-ep8qy far right party lol
@@jonashubotter6686 that is quite funny
Jonas Hübotter Hopefully they’ll come to power soon.
Did you know that wasted food contributes about 10% of global emissions ? Aviation contributes less than that number
How much are celebrity cruises paying TH-cam for advertising? Been the advert for every video I’ve watched for 3 months.
you created more footprint by having such large huge polyester blankets. LOL..
I created more footprint this morning running on mud
@@Ccirgrg 😂
i'm not a child you can just give me the facts
It is not wrong to fly.
It is wrong to idolise a mentally ill child and think that climate change won't happen or could be reversed by not flying.
As aeronautics and aerospace enthusiast, the best solution is to propel ourself with ion thrusters at a large scale.
I don't care what the video is about... If it's Joss Fong, I'll watch
Well I considered swimming all the way to Australia but later changed my mind.
Yeah, I thought about hitchhiking to the opposite side of the states to see my parents, but I also decided against it. 🙃
I wanted to walk from Australia to New Zealand but it caused problems so I sadly had to stop :(
Weird. It’s like the more they complain about climate change, the bigger their own personal carbon footprint is.
Everybody gangsta till the battery weight 7X more that your 737
Fly only when you have to.
Pack smart.