Thumbs up for elevator music! 👍🎷 The original video was 43 minutes long. Here’s some more results that didn’t make the cut for those of you who are interested: - HDMI Info. Display: Sony can only do it in 1080p. Nikon doesn’t have it at all, but Nikon can display the menu screen on two screens simultaneously, where the Sony cannot. - The Nikon puts its video files in a more logical location than the Sony. Sony has them nested strangely three folders deep. - The Nikon includes a battery charger and a quality USB Type-C cable. The Sony only comes with a USB charger and a Type-B cable. - The Sony’s battery display indicator disappears too quickly when shooting. The Nikon’s stays on all the time, but doesn’t show a percentage, just bars. - Setting a custom white balance is easier on the Sony, but less accurate. I found it unintuitive to do on the Nikon and I had to consult the manual, but in post the Nikon produced a more accurate scene with its custom WB. - The Sony has a “Rule of Thirds” grid, but the Nikon does not. The Nikon has a grid, but it’s one of those 4x5 multi-grids. - The Sony has an HDMI Type-D Micro Port, which is common but a bit flimsy. The Nikon uses a Type-C Mini, which is more robust, but a lot less common. - There’s a weird bug HDMI Recording Control on the Nikon Z6. If you have it in 8-bit you can trigger the Atomos with camera record, but when you switch to 10-bit, the record button no longer works. Then, strangely, if you enable N-Log while still on 10-bit, the record control comes back again.
Should I do compilation video of you saying: "What is happening people!" That are in order from least to most emphasis and caterwaul put onto word "happening"? Just thinking aloud here... Anyway that's the biggest reason I am watching these videos. Thanks for making them.
@@geraldundone I consider my written english quite good for a finn, but I also like to learn a new word when ever possible, today I learned that. :D Lets see if I make it, I just made the Valuetainment video that is on my page so might take a gap and then flip a coin if I do it or not.
So balanced and intelligently laid out. I'm rooting for you. I'm a Canadian from Halifax and proud of the up and comer creators making waves on TH-cam. Keep it up!
In fairness, that is comparing Cine2 to Log. Log gets noisier in those drastic situations. It's actually one of the reasons why I prefer Cine2 on the Sony. You get less dynamic range, but it holds up better. This is true for many hybrid cameras and their Log profiles.
I’ve gained so much valuable information visiting your channel. Thank you very much and hope you gain more and more followers with these quality videos.
I have no real means to get either of these miracles of engineering and I'm not particularly interested in video (I"m more of a stills guy) but I still watch all your episodes... lol. They're so jam packed with interesting stuff and I like your delivery. Great job, Gerald.
Excellent review, thank you. As a Nikon shooter with a ton of glass, I was just looking for the seal of approval that the Z6 was more or less on par with the Sony for video. I got my answer. And you got a sub. 👍🏻
Nice comparison. I am using Nikon for photo so biased towards the Z6 for video but find it incredibly frustrating that all of the hybrid cameras seem to have some deficiencies that could have been (and perhaps still can be) eliminated. Obviously (?) the designers can see the features of other products and maybe even how people are using them, but my sense is that the engineers are still in grade school especially when it comes to managing power and heat disapation in the hybrid cameras. But when you look across the GH5, 1DX II, A7III, X-T3 and even the Z6 almost everything you want is on one or two of them, but none of them has all the things you want. Despite all of this we have never had this much capability in reasonably small and affordable cameras, and it gets better all the time.
Yeah... I totally relate. There's no perfect camera. It's all about which checks the most of your boxes. But I agree that we are in pretty great times for gear. Cheers! 😃
You missed some points in favour of Nikon like better Evf and better LCD with full touch functionality and one more thing that Sony crops 1.2 times while recording 4k 30p which can be a deal breaker for many and you can map control ring on Nikon s line lenses for ISO, aperture.
Some good points here. Thanks for pointing them out. - The EVF is terrible on both for video. It is great for photos on the Nikon though. EVFs always look choppy and weird for video in my opinion. - There is full touch functionality, yes. I should have mentioned that when I was comparing screen sizes. I really only use it for AF though, and they both do that. - The 4K30 crop is a good point too. I forget about it often, because I usually only shoot 24p or 60p. - The control ring though I can't get behind. I can't see myself every using that for anything but focus. Either way, good insights.
@@geraldundone Also you forgot about the IBIS issue on Sonys, with their smaller bodies the IBIS is much worse than the Nikon. Also the way the Sonys are made internally are much more likely to overheat or fail with their plasticy bodies and poor internal layout internally.
Hey Gerald Awesome Job with The Channel!!! I need your honest advice and opinion, I have the A7iii and the Átomos Ninja V, I was thinking of Selling my A7iii for The Nikon Z6 for the 12Bit ProRes Raw Update That’s Coming For the Z6 and Átomos Ninja V, Should I Keep the A7iii or go for the Z6? I mainly purpose is for filming thanks,
Great review. Most of the tests were very close, and for my needs, probably won’t be noticeable. The photo/video switch and the separate settings are honestly the main reason I’m leaning towards the Nikon.
The way I solved this on the Sony is to create a custom preset which I can access through the mode dial. It‘s pretty convenient and aside from the exposure settings and picture profile you can also store specific display preferences and such. So I think there is no real reason to prefer the Nikon just because of this, since you don‘t really lose time from turning a dial compared to flipping a switch.
This was a great video for me to watch. I had upgraded to a Nikon D810 a while back only because I owned a few lenses but I was really interested in the Sony. Now I have a substantial investment in Nikon glass so I think the Z6 is the right choice for the next camera to add a second camera for video work. Even for some 1080p 120fps.
Very good comparison, but one thing bothers me a bit, as an owner of Z6. You repeated a few times about Z6 almost being inferior in photography mode. Everyone knows that A7III has an edge in AF department, or EYE AF, but that's it. That doesn't make Z6 to be apprised such way. It is an excellent camera, with quite a few things better than A7III that may mean more to some people, including myself, than EYE AF. I mean, better EFV, better and bigger LCD (which doesn't block if you use polarized glasses), top display, ergonomics, bigger buttons, weather protection. It could be something else, but these are my points, why I decided to pick Z6 over A7III, without owing any F Nikon lenses. Just saying that this camera is almost only for those who already owe F lenses is a bit foolish to me, and I'm a bit tired listening that over and over. I didn't mentioned new S lenses, and what's coming in the pipe line, that's a different story, but I certainly like that story as well.
Definitely made some fair points. I think I jumbled my message there a bit. For me, I personally prefer the Sony, but when I said it was "less minor" for photography, I meant there were larger differences between them than for video. As you pointed out in your comment, it was more clear which you preferred for photography. For me it was more clear that I preferred the Sony for photography than it was for video. So when it comes to buying, I would base it more on your photography preferences, because the video is quite close. For me, that's Sony.
@@geraldundone With full respect to you preference, A7III is a great choice, but it's not just about your choice, you're recommending to the others too, people watch. In order to be fair and balanced, you need to highlight the advantages on Z6 in photography mode, just like you did in video mode (excellent job), and there are some, which mean a lot to some people. For example, I would never buy a camera which has LCD blocked if you wear polarized glasses. I don't take mine off when I'm hiking or I'm outside, it doesn't matter how good AF is on that camera, I won't buy it, even if I have to focus manually. Sony made me to pass on A7III with a stupid LCD design.
@@DjCjFoto That's fair. I was thinking I'd leave the photo side to another video if there was enough interest. That video one was getting too long already! 😜
Im gonna pick the camera that has the better picture quality, the A7iii is the better camera out of the two and I find it funny how Nikon users need to defend their camera choice when it's obviously the best choice for them if they already have Nikon glass. If you are a new shooter or just getting into full frame and haven't invested heavily into Nikon glass, then the Sony a7iii is the clear winner. P.S Sony just released on update where all AF modes in photography mode are available on adapted canon and sigma glass. Have a good day guys!
I bought F1.1 manual focus cheap lens. And it is just very fun to play with. Photography and videography suppose to be FUN. Now we are living in time when everyone became pixel peeping guys and do more log, grading, postrocessing, counting bits and comparing sizes..... and totally forget about to have fun from process itself. Even if I have DSLR, for regular non professional user its no sense to do all that grading-sickness. World became crazy.
Great video, keep up the good work. I'm compiling a video on my favourite camera youtubers' and you're by far one of the most concisely technical in explanation. you do talk fast but it all makes such perfect sense! I shot 42 minutes of ramblings and I'm not sure I gave up any information. lol.
Thanks for a great video. Any chance of doing another comparing photo? You sort of hinted the Sony might be better towards the end of the video. Would love to hear more.
In my opinion, yes, but it would depend on a few things and your definition of usable. With the Deity on 10 and me projecting my voice well about 3 feet from the camera it was quite good. A weak voice at 6 feet though and you'll have some problems.
@@geraldundone Thanks :) I was so impressed with the Sony a9 preamps, they were comparable to my zoom H1. Sounds like Nikon is not worth considering if one really appreciates good audio.
Thanks for this video. I currently use a Nikon D5 and D3s for my photo/video needs, and I'm really thinking the Z6 could be the answer to the meh-4k I produce. I appreciate that you don't try to dumb any of the technical details down for the viewer.
Great job, Gerald ! That was an honest comparison ! So much camera choice nowadays... it makes things easier when you are already heavily invested in a system ! haha That is Lumix & Fuji for me, but can't deny the Sony A7III is very tempting...!
Of all the complaints about Sony's lack of 10-bit.. I'm surprised it held up as well as it did. Sony did a great job with the camera given its actually going on a year old.
Try this on a true blue sky spanning the screen, everyone knows that 8 bit problem is smooth gradient, it this example gradients go from blue to white in what 1/10 th of screen.
I shoot video and stills consecutively for an event company so the way Nikon switches from video to photograhy and saves the last setting is probably the most important feature covered for me. The audio amps and single slot are big negatives on the Z6 that have stalled my purchase tho. I don't always have the time or the impetus to use a separate mic.
Thanks for the video, all very good points. I've been using the Z6 for 7 months now, it's great. About the usb power, if you use a battery dummy, that goes to a usb battery, then it can last a long time. I use the "Blind Spot" adapter, and use a Sony NP-F950, lasts a long time. Also, you didn't mention the menu system. The Sony menu is a real hassle compared to the Nikon menu.
Exactly the kinds of tests I wanted to see. I much prefer the way the Sony handled most of the tests, though there are certain things I really hope the A7Siii corrects for those of us focused on video.
I'm watching this again as my A7III was recently stolen and I'm in the market for a new camera for video+stills. I'm interested in the Z6 and the Panasonic S1, both with the Ninja V to record 4k/60 10bit. I was thinking it would have been good to do some tests for improperly exposed shots, where you have to push the shadows/highlights a long way. I'm hoping you'll get a Panasonic S1 and test it soon. But, what really makes the choice between the Z6 or the A7III is ProResRAW coming for the Nikon Z6. Knowing that's happening, does that change your final statement regarding which you'd buy?
Sorry to hear that! That's awful. I'll definitely need to make an update after seeing Nikon's new stuff and testing the S1. Should have some thoughts on that soon. Thanks for your patience! Cheers.
Thanks! I always look forward to your content. You're A++ "On it", to me. I just got to test the new Panasonic S1 at a local event and I think I'm sold. As much as ProResRAW would be ideal, I'm skeptical and don't want to hold out in hopes it'll be a miracle offering. The S1 seems fantastic, especially paired with the Ronin-S for moving shots.
Great video. Thanks for the comparison. It'd be interesting to get your thoughts after the recent firmware update to the Z6. One aspect that I think you forgot to include is weather sealing. That was an important consideration for me when I was deciding on which platform to jump to.
For external viewing or recording through HDMI you could rotate an external monitor to face forward so you can tell then if you are in record while filming yourself. Is this correct?
Sometimes when you push Log really hard the noise goes crazy. One of the things to be careful of when shooting Log is your exposure for that reason, otherwise you end up with a noisy mess. In this case though, it wasn't the exposure, it was the 200% saturation and full colour shift. Other Logs do it too, not just Nikon.
Aarrrgh, the missing video/photo switch is a real pity. But, what annoys me more is that the Sony is not even able to save the seperate settings between photo and video mode. The only way would be using the Memory option, but for that you also need more than one button to be pressed. Definitely a big point to improve on the Sony.
Great Video Gerald and I'd know for sure you did a better job than most on TH-cam. You help me think about switching over but Nikon came up a shorty in the video side on thing in this model Z6 but I am sure the Z7 is better, just like when Sony came out with the A7 A7R. A7r was the better camera in some areas but I did use it for video and wasn't bad at all
Undone Man yes, I found this video helpful (even though I don't shoot video). YOU continue to impress and are still the Bus Driver to all other TH-cam Reviewers. Why the Bus Driver? Because you take them to school.
i want the z6 because now im currently using d750..but im afraid that if im using the ftz adapter the autofocus speed would be an issue..should i get the z6 with 1 slot and expensive xqd card :| or totally change to sony a7iii .. btw im using it for wedding and studio work, need an accurate and fast af..any advice?
Gerald Undone Thanks for the quick reply! I am thinking of getting a z6 because of the promise of RAW, seems like the audio thing is the only downside.
I am interested in seeing what you can find on the new Nikon Z6II. I hear it is going to be cropped for 4K 60 and want to know if it's any better than the previous version. I know it's not out yet but thought I would ask if maybe you could get an early version or something and also why they were able to get 4K 60 on the Z7II first?? Are they any good for video?
what lens did you used on sony when you record autofocus continues at min 10 -11 ? if you used sigma ,sigma has some issue with autofocus on video back and fort leg
Thanks for the awesome breakdown! Truly well done, muzak and all! As an aside, I am also just as curious about the 35mm, since it is so pricey for an f/1.8, and wonder how it compares to the Sigma, especially for photos. Seems like it may be less sharp for one....
Hi there, Gerald, and thanks for this review (just watching it again for like the fifth time). What is going on at 7:31 with the red square in the Z6 image? Looks like lots of noise??? Did you notice that in any other shots? (I only saw it on the Rubik's cube shots.)
Yeah, I'm not sure myself. The blinking is caused by the tally light on the recorder that I forgot to turn off, but the noisier red square was peculiar. I blame it on the fact that no official LUT exists and perhaps the red came in too hot, because it didn't happen with the Flat profile.
@@geraldundone Thanks for the explanation. Seems kind of strange because it looks like the Z6 image is a LITTLE bit darker than the a7 III image in that shot. Also, strangely enough, in the preceding still frame with the Rubik's cube against the gray card, you can still see that noise on the red square, but not in that red ribbon on the lower right hand side. (or maybe the texture of the ribbon is just "hiding" the noise???). When you had the Z6 around, did you noticed reduced AF performance when shooting in N-LOG? Seen some reports that AF suffers when shooting N-LOG.
I'm planning on retesting the Z6 once all the firmware dust settles. I didn't actually test the AF against itself in different modes, just against other cameras, so I can't say I noticed that, but it doesn't mean it's not true.
Regarding 8-bit vs. 10-bit and higher, I love the video with Dave Dugdale and Matt Scott that demonstrates just how well the supposedly "hideous" Sony 8-bit 4:2:0 holds up against 10-bit and even 12- bit footage from other manufacturers. It doesn't beat them, but it holds its own. Matt has some strong and sometimes profane opinions on this, and his tests were fantastic. With that said, the newer cameras with 10-bit make SLog3 practical, and that helps.
What some other video vloggers are saying is to work around the preamp issue in Nikon z6 is use an external mic with boost in audio set to 10+ db for example (or use a Shure with display) and then lower the incamera mic to a low setting so recording audio is cleaner. Is this correct to your opinion to do, Gerald? Or is the only way is to use an external audio recorder and sync later. I think the mic boosted audio is an easier solution so no need to sync later, to get better audio. What do you think?
Bit confused about the Nikon N-Log, the reds are going crazy with noise in these shots, it is by far the most noticeable aspect of the footage and I would say it is unusable. But there was no comment on this at all??
Would be nice to see a comparison X-T3 vs Z6. Ensure, firmware 2.1 is on T3. Utilise the XF16-55 2.8 vs the Z mount 24-70 f4, to keep is comparable also in terms of used lenses.
I know this is from over a year ago and finally watched it, but I have to say being a long time Nikon shooter and then picking up a Sony RX100 Mark 7 vs my Z6 for both photos and video, I am hands down 100% all in on Nikon. Both photo and video wise, especially since the recent release of the new 3.0 update with the Nikon Z series cameras, the Nikon has nearly as good 3D tracking if not better, better colour for BOTH photo and video, I also noticed with the RX100 Mark 7 with RAW images there was HEAVY vignetting compared to using the Jpeg files. I mainly use the RX100 Mark 7 for run and gun vlogging and that is the extent of use the camera gets, mainly just because of the flip up screen.
very grateful for this video, I've waited for a long time, very good, clarifies many doubts, just one thing about the 3 dials and is that remember that nikon lenses have the control ring that can be configured, it's a shame that nikon did not have the great idea of placing this ring on the adapter (point for canon) but that does not mean that they do not include it in the future. Greetings and thumb up
Thanks for the vid Mr. Undone. On the 8/10 bit section, I would be interested to see a comparison in regards to perfect WB/Exposure and an over under stretch between them with color swatches and more importantly, skin tones. This means over expose a bit, under expose a bit, set WB heavy orange and heavy blue and see what you can get back. If history is a teacher, as I have done this quite often between other cameras such as the 8bit Canons in CLOG or 8 bit Sony's in SLOG... compared to 10 bit counterparts, I have noticed not too much a difference until you get something wrong such as the WB or exposure. Sometimes there are difference in the way mid tones are rendered and can be visibly compressed compared to 10 bit, likely making room for information in the shadows in highlights. I saw this a lot with the Panasonic GH series when people started using 8 bit LOG. I found that 8 bit does not hold up as well in those cases and you easily get alien skin whereas 10 bit offers a good amount more flexibility to correct footage with less glaring issues. This I believe is where higher bits can really help out in comparison to 8 bit. Of course, you should always shoot to get it right, but I know that nobody's perfect, and I have certainly been in color correction hell before. It is not a nice place and the more bit friends you've got, the better.
Gerald, I wonder if Nikon could fix the difficult impractical button pushing by doing a firmware update. I hope so. I hope they’re listening to you! Thanks again.
I shot a music video a few weeks ago and face detection didn't work either. couldn't find out why. turned that it doesen't work when you have the setting "ctrl with smartphone" on. i don't get it.
Nice work! Unlike many other reviewers who just state their opinions, you're providing a technical angle allowing us to decide which one to choose. Gerald you said, on the photography side the differences between the two cameras are not so minor. I focus primarily in stills (mostly landscapes). Which one of these would you recommend based on the differences you have noticed.
Thanks so much! I think for landscapes either system will be excellent. I'd base it more on ergonomics and which camera you personally enjoy more. The differences are more obvious for sports and action and some portrait applications, but for landscapes both do a stellar job.
@@geraldundone Thanks for the quick response! I asked since the a7iii seems to have almost one full stop dynamic range advantage over the Z6 at base iso according to some tests. It's not going to be such a noticeable difference I guess.
Love this video ? What are your preferred in camera sharpening settings ? For some reason when I lower the sharpening settings it feels as if the camera is sharpening the image artificially
What a sensational review! This is incredibly useful. Good work Gerald! One thing this illuminated was Nikon planning for the future - which while a nice sentiment is not really technology nowadays, they'll release a new camera before the cards become popular, and usb type-c mini etc, 8-bit at ~115Mbps not exactly an enormous leap as you say, could easily be put down to codec performance. Excellent example with the sky too! It really don't fall apart like I'd expect either. Can I ask what average bit-rate you got with 10-bit on the Nikon externally?
The site www.slashcam.de (german) says that the Z6 makes a crop of 1,1 when the electronic stabilization or 10bit external recording is on. The sharpest/cleanest image is 4K FX 8 bit extern. So can you test the Z6 without electronic stabilization in 4K intern and extern against the Sony?
I did some tests and can confirm that crop. I don't know if it is exactly 1.1x, but it's small. And yeah, it only occurs with the E-stabilizer. Regular VR doesn't crop. And any 10-bit will have it as well. I'll try and compile some side-by-sides of it.
Hi Gerald. You said the bitrate with the z6 ranges between 115 and 140mb/s... If you record externally though, and are using a ninja v that bitrate jumps hugely, or am I wrong?? The hdmi out is not limited to a certain bitrate is it?? Wouldn't that mean that if you were planning to record with a ninja v, even in prores 422, the colour information and image quality would be hugelt better with the z6 ninjav combo??
Right, with most cameras the bit rate does not apply to the HDMI out, that is instead set by the external recorder. So, if you chose ProRes it would depend on which ProRes you chose, because Apple has defines the bit rates for each quality setting of ProRes.
This is the first time I see this video, very well done and super informational like always! Question: I own the a7iii and an Atomos Ninja V, I am looking into buying the Z6 as a B camera to do video (with the Ninja V since it has so many advantages to do so), but I don't have any Nikon lenses and so I'd have to start from scratch. Based on that, my question is: Am I better off buying the older a7Sii as a B camera for video? Or should I jump-into the Nikon S system? Thoughts?
The Sony only overheats for me after over 2 hours of handheld recording internally. And even then it's the standard warning, not the extreme warning. Neither gave me any warnings during the battery drain test, so you're probably good for at least 2 hours in normal climates. The Nikon is a bit bigger, so it might dissipate heat a little better.
Just... speechless! That's actually a good point. Just recently I started to look at the video quality (bitrate, colors and so on). I was very confused why Nikon or Fuji (XT3) did 10 bit however Sony didn't so far... Now when I saw at least comparison - honestly I don't see that much difference. Plus it most probably will produce heavier files(?) (storage still is valuable this days...). Have you ever looked at Fuji XT3? Thanks for this review!
Great video Gerald, thank you. I assume you’re referring to the AF performance mostly when discussing relative stills performance? Seems to me that the next gen Z series might be worth waiting for (currently shooting D810&D850). Cheers
Very well done comparison, good job. On another note, does anyone think The Sony E mount is too small? and could that give them problems in the future. For example can sony still improve the IBIS any more.
Hi Gerald, what's you thoughts though on the capability of the Nikon if you were to pay for the upgrade to shoot Apple Pro Res Raw? Surely this would significantly improve the quality of the video the Nikon produces over the Sony as its the only camera at present that can shoot RAW video at this sort of price point/the DSLR market. Isn't that a game changer?
Great comparison! What are your full PP settings when using Cine 2? Have you tried EOSHD v3 PP settings (Cine 2 PP) and compared those to yours? Thanks.
I haven't done a direct comparison, but I've been quite happy with these settings here: Gamma Cine2 Color Mode Cinema Detail -7 Black Level 0 Black Gamma Range - Middle, Level - 0 Knee Mode - Auto Saturation 0 Color Phase 0 Color Depth 0
Thank you so much for this! I have been torn between these two cameras for a while. I want to buy one for filming. I have several nikon lenses already. But I am very concerned about being able to color grade, so I need a camera that shoots log. Is there anything more you can say about the N-log? Also, I didn't quite understand: do you need an external recorder for the N-log? Or just for the 10-bit? Thank you!!
You do need an external recorder for N-Log, yes. It's linked to the 10-bit and both only become available over HDMI. I think that N-Log is decent. Not the easiest, no the hardest. I do think we need a LUT from Nikon though.
I am using a D3300 and the iso control is the same. I find it easy and comfortable to adjust (it's the same way). Maybe if the camera is on a tripod, then not so much for sure.
I'm currently in the market for a new mirrorless after selling my older body + glass. I was sure I was going to get the a7iii but the z6's future firmware allowing for 12bit video really makes it hard for me to make a choice as I do like to grade my footage (coming from FS7's 10 bit). I'll be using the chosen camera for both stills (personal use) and video (professional work that usually ends up on social networks). Any suggestions Gerald?
Wonderful video Gerald.... very informative. Question please, does 10bit benefit over 8bit for more dynamic range in strong backlit conditions, like the sun behind? Ive seen lot of difference between 12 and 14bit images in dynamic range, especially higher ISO than base. Would you have time to compare video features of Canon EOS R with Sony A73 also?
I just had a relatively new UHS-II SD card fail on me yesterday, and now I can't even format it. Do we have any evidence that CFExpress or XQD is less likely to fail than SD? I wouldn't care if it were the same failure rate if the Z6 had dual card slots.
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The original video was 43 minutes long. Here’s some more results that didn’t make the cut for those of you who are interested:
- HDMI Info. Display: Sony can only do it in 1080p. Nikon doesn’t have it at all, but Nikon can display the menu screen on two screens simultaneously, where the Sony cannot.
- The Nikon puts its video files in a more logical location than the Sony. Sony has them nested strangely three folders deep.
- The Nikon includes a battery charger and a quality USB Type-C cable. The Sony only comes with a USB charger and a Type-B cable.
- The Sony’s battery display indicator disappears too quickly when shooting. The Nikon’s stays on all the time, but doesn’t show a percentage, just bars.
- Setting a custom white balance is easier on the Sony, but less accurate. I found it unintuitive to do on the Nikon and I had to consult the manual, but in post the Nikon produced a more accurate scene with its custom WB.
- The Sony has a “Rule of Thirds” grid, but the Nikon does not. The Nikon has a grid, but it’s one of those 4x5 multi-grids.
- The Sony has an HDMI Type-D Micro Port, which is common but a bit flimsy. The Nikon uses a Type-C Mini, which is more robust, but a lot less common.
- There’s a weird bug HDMI Recording Control on the Nikon Z6. If you have it in 8-bit you can trigger the Atomos with camera record, but when you switch to 10-bit, the record button no longer works. Then, strangely, if you enable N-Log while still on 10-bit, the record control comes back again.
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Should I do compilation video of you saying: "What is happening people!" That are in order from least to most emphasis and caterwaul put onto word "happening"? Just thinking aloud here... Anyway that's the biggest reason I am watching these videos. Thanks for making them.
@@djremotion2 Thumbs up for using "caterwaul". Love that word. And yes, that sounds like a highly entertaining piece of film. 😜👍
@@geraldundone I consider my written english quite good for a finn, but I also like to learn a new word when ever possible, today I learned that. :D Lets see if I make it, I just made the Valuetainment video that is on my page so might take a gap and then flip a coin if I do it or not.
So balanced and intelligently laid out. I'm rooting for you. I'm a Canadian from Halifax and proud of the up and comer creators making waves on TH-cam. Keep it up!
Thanks, Stephen! Much appreciated. Cheers! 😃👍
@@geraldundone No thank you. Cheers with an Olands beer!
Thanks Gerald. Appreciate the balanced look at the Z6 and 7III.
Cheers, Curtis! Thanks for watching/commenting. 😃👍
Arent you an audio guy?
@@bishfrie I'm a video guy who particularly focuses on audio. But I use cameras every day. 😀
7:30 ... That's quite a bit of noise from the Nikon in the reds that the Sony doesn't have 🤔
In fairness, that is comparing Cine2 to Log. Log gets noisier in those drastic situations. It's actually one of the reasons why I prefer Cine2 on the Sony. You get less dynamic range, but it holds up better. This is true for many hybrid cameras and their Log profiles.
I’ve gained so much valuable information visiting your channel. Thank you very much and hope you gain more and more followers with these quality videos.
I have no real means to get either of these miracles of engineering and I'm not particularly interested in video (I"m more of a stills guy) but I still watch all your episodes... lol. They're so jam packed with interesting stuff and I like your delivery. Great job, Gerald.
comrade7 i have canon but really enjoyed this video😀
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Excellent review, thank you. As a Nikon shooter with a ton of glass, I was just looking for the seal of approval that the Z6 was more or less on par with the Sony for video. I got my answer. And you got a sub. 👍🏻
Nice comparison. I am using Nikon for photo so biased towards the Z6 for video but find it incredibly frustrating that all of the hybrid cameras seem to have some deficiencies that could have been (and perhaps still can be) eliminated.
Obviously (?) the designers can see the features of other products and maybe even how people are using them, but my sense is that the engineers are still in grade school especially when it comes to managing power and heat disapation in the hybrid cameras. But when you look across the GH5, 1DX II, A7III, X-T3 and even the Z6 almost everything you want is on one or two of them, but none of them has all the things you want.
Despite all of this we have never had this much capability in reasonably small and affordable cameras, and it gets better all the time.
Yeah... I totally relate. There's no perfect camera. It's all about which checks the most of your boxes. But I agree that we are in pretty great times for gear. Cheers! 😃
Dude. Love your work. Clean, no jargin, easy to understand, factual perspectives. Thumbs up.
Thanks a lot!
With the firmware update 3.0 how would the z6 perform against the a7iii now? Would love to see an update on this video or hear your views
You missed some points in favour of Nikon like better Evf and better LCD with full touch functionality and one more thing that Sony crops 1.2 times while recording 4k 30p which can be a deal breaker for many and you can map control ring on Nikon s line lenses for ISO, aperture.
Some good points here. Thanks for pointing them out.
- The EVF is terrible on both for video. It is great for photos on the Nikon though. EVFs always look choppy and weird for video in my opinion.
- There is full touch functionality, yes. I should have mentioned that when I was comparing screen sizes. I really only use it for AF though, and they both do that.
- The 4K30 crop is a good point too. I forget about it often, because I usually only shoot 24p or 60p.
- The control ring though I can't get behind. I can't see myself every using that for anything but focus.
Either way, good insights.
@@geraldundone Also you forgot about the IBIS issue on Sonys, with their smaller bodies the IBIS is much worse than the Nikon. Also the way the Sonys are made internally are much more likely to overheat or fail with their plasticy bodies and poor internal layout internally.
Phenomenal job Gerald. Easily the best Nikon Z6 overview on TH-cam.
Thanks for this. I'm definitely buying myself an A7iii and atomos combo. Love your videos dude.
gerald's knowledge never ceases to amaze me. thanks again sir! brilliance once again as usual
Man I can’t thank you enough. Just found your channel yesterday and I love it. Big fan!
Thanks so much! Really happy to hear that. Glad you found it. 😃🙏
THANK YOU FOR THE TABLE OF CONTENTS IN THE DESCRIPTION. 🙏🏻💙
11:56 you say you can change the ISO to be controlled by the circle wheel on the back. Can you do this on a GH5? I would love that!
Oh my gosh! Found it! Thats a game changer!
Menu --> C-Wrench Menu --> Operation --> Dial Set --> Control Dial Assignment --> ISO
Once your video is undone, its done.. no need to see any other review. 😀
Well Done Undone!
Hey Gerald Awesome Job with The Channel!!! I need your honest advice and opinion, I have the A7iii and the Átomos Ninja V, I was thinking of Selling my A7iii for The Nikon Z6 for the 12Bit ProRes Raw Update That’s Coming For the Z6 and Átomos Ninja V, Should I Keep the A7iii or go for the Z6? I mainly purpose is for filming thanks,
Great review. Most of the tests were very close, and for my needs, probably won’t be noticeable. The photo/video switch and the separate settings are honestly the main reason I’m leaning towards the Nikon.
Thanks, mate. Yeah, it's pretty close. Both are good choices. I really did enjoy a lot about the ergonomics on the Nikon.
The way I solved this on the Sony is to create a custom preset which I can access through the mode dial. It‘s pretty convenient and aside from the exposure settings and picture profile you can also store specific display preferences and such. So I think there is no real reason to prefer the Nikon just because of this, since you don‘t really lose time from turning a dial compared to flipping a switch.
I agree. IMO the Nikon is just much more of a joy to shoot--more comfortable to hold and better EVF and LCD---better by far.
Mate this is great! You are on a roll!!! Great video comparison, and production!!!
This was a great video for me to watch. I had upgraded to a Nikon D810 a while back only because I owned a few lenses but I was really interested in the Sony. Now I have a substantial investment in Nikon glass so I think the Z6 is the right choice for the next camera to add a second camera for video work. Even for some 1080p 120fps.
Very good comparison, but one thing bothers me a bit, as an owner of Z6. You repeated a few times about Z6 almost being inferior in photography mode. Everyone knows that A7III has an edge in AF department, or EYE AF, but that's it. That doesn't make Z6 to be apprised such way. It is an excellent camera, with quite a few things better than A7III that may mean more to some people, including myself, than EYE AF. I mean, better EFV, better and bigger LCD (which doesn't block if you use polarized glasses), top display, ergonomics, bigger buttons, weather protection. It could be something else, but these are my points, why I decided to pick Z6 over A7III, without owing any F Nikon lenses. Just saying that this camera is almost only for those who already owe F lenses is a bit foolish to me, and I'm a bit tired listening that over and over. I didn't mentioned new S lenses, and what's coming in the pipe line, that's a different story, but I certainly like that story as well.
Definitely made some fair points. I think I jumbled my message there a bit. For me, I personally prefer the Sony, but when I said it was "less minor" for photography, I meant there were larger differences between them than for video. As you pointed out in your comment, it was more clear which you preferred for photography. For me it was more clear that I preferred the Sony for photography than it was for video. So when it comes to buying, I would base it more on your photography preferences, because the video is quite close. For me, that's Sony.
@@geraldundone With full respect to you preference, A7III is a great choice, but it's not just about your choice, you're recommending to the others too, people watch. In order to be fair and balanced, you need to highlight the advantages on Z6 in photography mode, just like you did in video mode (excellent job), and there are some, which mean a lot to some people. For example, I would never buy a camera which has LCD blocked if you wear polarized glasses. I don't take mine off when I'm hiking or I'm outside, it doesn't matter how good AF is on that camera, I won't buy it, even if I have to focus manually. Sony made me to pass on A7III with a stupid LCD design.
@@DjCjFoto That's fair. I was thinking I'd leave the photo side to another video if there was enough interest. That video one was getting too long already! 😜
@@geraldundone please! Make another video
Im gonna pick the camera that has the better picture quality, the A7iii is the better camera out of the two and I find it funny how Nikon users need to defend their camera choice when it's obviously the best choice for them if they already have Nikon glass. If you are a new shooter or just getting into full frame and haven't invested heavily into Nikon glass, then the Sony a7iii is the clear winner. P.S Sony just released on update where all AF modes in photography mode are available on adapted canon and sigma glass. Have a good day guys!
I do alot of research before I purchase cameras. This is my one stop center for info. I get done here. Thanks Gerald.
Probably my favorite video of yours, great job Mr. Undone!
Thanks, Ronald! Appreciate it.
I bought F1.1 manual focus cheap lens. And it is just very fun to play with. Photography and videography suppose to be FUN.
Now we are living in time when everyone became pixel peeping guys and do more log, grading, postrocessing, counting bits and comparing sizes..... and totally forget about to have fun from process itself.
Even if I have DSLR, for regular non professional user its no sense to do all that grading-sickness. World became crazy.
Happy birthday and congratulations on 20k subscribers!
Thanks so much! 😃👍
Great video, keep up the good work. I'm compiling a video on my favourite camera youtubers' and you're by far one of the most concisely technical in explanation. you do talk fast but it all makes such perfect sense! I shot 42 minutes of ramblings and I'm not sure I gave up any information. lol.
Thanks for the support! That's very kind and means a lot. 😃🙏
7:35 why is the Nikon so grainy? 🧐
asking myself the same, also youtube compression makes it harder to distinguish.
It seems just be that one cube
Thanks for a great video. Any chance of doing another comparing photo? You sort of hinted the Sony might be better towards the end of the video. Would love to hear more.
Me too. Please make another video!
Would the preamps of the Nikon be usable with a +20db shotgun mic like the Deity or Rode?
In my opinion, yes, but it would depend on a few things and your definition of usable. With the Deity on 10 and me projecting my voice well about 3 feet from the camera it was quite good. A weak voice at 6 feet though and you'll have some problems.
@@geraldundone Thanks :) I was so impressed with the Sony a9 preamps, they were comparable to my zoom H1. Sounds like Nikon is not worth considering if one really appreciates good audio.
I can't understand why Nikon didn't fix this audio problem. They have it almost a decade. LOL for their video and support department.
Thanks for this video. I currently use a Nikon D5 and D3s for my photo/video needs, and I'm really thinking the Z6 could be the answer to the meh-4k I produce. I appreciate that you don't try to dumb any of the technical details down for the viewer.
Thanks, James. I definitely think it's probably the easiest and best way for a Nikon shooter to get decent video in their kit.
Excellent video. I’m going to repeat a comment i made on a previous video, I’m glad that Peter Gregg recommended your channel.
I'm glad as well. Thanks for sticking around! 😃
@@geraldundone Your content is always stellar, Gerald, you're the one deserving of thanks!
Bostero.
@@ivankiefer3886 LOL, yes i am.
You saved my life with the F6 button setting. Thank You. It makes the camera so much for usable.
Great job, Gerald ! That was an honest comparison ! So much camera choice nowadays... it makes things easier when you are already heavily invested in a system ! haha That is Lumix & Fuji for me, but can't deny the Sony A7III is very tempting...!
Of all the complaints about Sony's lack of 10-bit.. I'm surprised it held up as well as it did. Sony did a great job with the camera given its actually going on a year old.
Try this on a true blue sky spanning the screen, everyone knows that 8 bit problem is smooth gradient, it this example gradients go from blue to white in what 1/10 th of screen.
I shoot video and stills consecutively for an event company so the way Nikon switches from video to photograhy and saves the last setting is probably the most important feature covered for me. The audio amps and single slot are big negatives on the Z6 that have stalled my purchase tho. I don't always have the time or the impetus to use a separate mic.
Thanks for the video, all very good points. I've been using the Z6 for 7 months now, it's great. About the usb power, if you use a battery dummy, that goes to a usb battery, then it can last a long time. I use the "Blind Spot" adapter, and use a Sony NP-F950, lasts a long time. Also, you didn't mention the menu system. The Sony menu is a real hassle compared to the Nikon menu.
Exactly the kinds of tests I wanted to see. I much prefer the way the Sony handled most of the tests, though there are certain things I really hope the A7Siii corrects for those of us focused on video.
How would you compare bmpcc 4k raw footage against the 10 bit Z6 Nikon , for recovery color, ?
Excellent review and comparison, learnt so much from your videos. Thanks again for making them!
Thanks a lot! I appreciate that. Cheers!
At 7:31, what happen to the red at Nikon, it seem the gain keep "sparkling"
I'm watching this again as my A7III was recently stolen and I'm in the market for a new camera for video+stills. I'm interested in the Z6 and the Panasonic S1, both with the Ninja V to record 4k/60 10bit. I was thinking it would have been good to do some tests for improperly exposed shots, where you have to push the shadows/highlights a long way. I'm hoping you'll get a Panasonic S1 and test it soon. But, what really makes the choice between the Z6 or the A7III is ProResRAW coming for the Nikon Z6. Knowing that's happening, does that change your final statement regarding which you'd buy?
Sorry to hear that! That's awful.
I'll definitely need to make an update after seeing Nikon's new stuff and testing the S1. Should have some thoughts on that soon. Thanks for your patience! Cheers.
Thanks! I always look forward to your content. You're A++ "On it", to me. I just got to test the new Panasonic S1 at a local event and I think I'm sold. As much as ProResRAW would be ideal, I'm skeptical and don't want to hold out in hopes it'll be a miracle offering. The S1 seems fantastic, especially paired with the Ronin-S for moving shots.
Does the new 10bit Prores raw external recording option on Z6 give it noticeable advantage compare to sony tho?
Any updates/fixes to these issues after Nikon 3.0 Firmware?
any details about z6 raw on ninja V ? what type of raw exactly ?
Great video. Thanks for the comparison. It'd be interesting to get your thoughts after the recent firmware update to the Z6. One aspect that I think you forgot to include is weather sealing. That was an important consideration for me when I was deciding on which platform to jump to.
A great review and a very objective one. Thank you.
For external viewing or recording through HDMI you could rotate an external monitor to face forward so you can tell then if you are in record while filming yourself. Is this correct?
Yes.
Just stopped in to say Happy Birthday and congratulations on 20k!!!
Thanks, Seth! Cheers! 🙏😃
It would be interesting to see how these cameras now perform with the latest firmware.
What's going on with the weird static/grain on the red corner on the rubics cube @7:38 and @7:46 ?? It's only on the Nikon video
Sometimes when you push Log really hard the noise goes crazy. One of the things to be careful of when shooting Log is your exposure for that reason, otherwise you end up with a noisy mess. In this case though, it wasn't the exposure, it was the 200% saturation and full colour shift. Other Logs do it too, not just Nikon.
Will any if the a7 series support prores raw, like the Z6 is with a service upgrade?
I hit that subscribe button three times. So nice had to do a double take.
Aarrrgh, the missing video/photo switch is a real pity. But, what annoys me more is that the Sony is not even able to save the seperate settings between photo and video mode. The only way would be using the Memory option, but for that you also need more than one button to be pressed. Definitely a big point to improve on the Sony.
Great Video Gerald and I'd know for sure you did a better job than most on TH-cam. You help me think about switching over but Nikon came up a shorty in the video side on thing in this model Z6 but I am sure the Z7 is better, just like when Sony came out with the A7 A7R. A7r was the better camera in some areas but I did use it for video and wasn't bad at all
Undone Man yes, I found this video helpful (even though I don't shoot video). YOU continue to impress and are still the Bus Driver to all other TH-cam Reviewers. Why the Bus Driver? Because you take them to school.
i want the z6 because now im currently using d750..but im afraid that if im using the ftz adapter the autofocus speed would be an issue..should i get the z6 with 1 slot and expensive xqd card :| or totally change to sony a7iii .. btw im using it for wedding and studio work, need an accurate and fast af..any advice?
would it be practical to use an atomos recorder for audio to make up for nikon's preamp issue?
Quite possibly, yeah, depending on the microphone. I might test that further when I do my Nikon follow-up when the new firmware is all out.
Gerald Undone Thanks for the quick reply! I am thinking of getting a z6 because of the promise of RAW, seems like the audio thing is the only downside.
I am interested in seeing what you can find on the new Nikon Z6II. I hear it is going to be cropped for 4K 60 and want to know if it's any better than the previous version. I know it's not out yet but thought I would ask if maybe you could get an early version or something and also why they were able to get 4K 60 on the Z7II first?? Are they any good for video?
Nice comparison video, good information. Would like you address the internal time lapse features of the two cameras.
what lens did you used on sony when you record autofocus continues at min 10 -11 ? if you used sigma ,sigma has some issue with autofocus on video back and fort leg
Thanks for the awesome breakdown! Truly well done, muzak and all! As an aside, I am also just as curious about the 35mm, since it is so pricey for an f/1.8, and wonder how it compares to the Sigma, especially for photos. Seems like it may be less sharp for one....
Hi there, Gerald, and thanks for this review (just watching it again for like the fifth time). What is going on at 7:31 with the red square in the Z6 image? Looks like lots of noise??? Did you notice that in any other shots? (I only saw it on the Rubik's cube shots.)
Yeah, I'm not sure myself. The blinking is caused by the tally light on the recorder that I forgot to turn off, but the noisier red square was peculiar. I blame it on the fact that no official LUT exists and perhaps the red came in too hot, because it didn't happen with the Flat profile.
@@geraldundone Thanks for the explanation. Seems kind of strange because it looks like the Z6 image is a LITTLE bit darker than the a7 III image in that shot. Also, strangely enough, in the preceding still frame with the Rubik's cube against the gray card, you can still see that noise on the red square, but not in that red ribbon on the lower right hand side. (or maybe the texture of the ribbon is just "hiding" the noise???). When you had the Z6 around, did you noticed reduced AF performance when shooting in N-LOG? Seen some reports that AF suffers when shooting N-LOG.
I'm planning on retesting the Z6 once all the firmware dust settles. I didn't actually test the AF against itself in different modes, just against other cameras, so I can't say I noticed that, but it doesn't mean it's not true.
@@geraldundone Awesome! Looking forward to the new review when the firmware is out. Keep up the great work.
Regarding 8-bit vs. 10-bit and higher, I love the video with Dave Dugdale and Matt Scott that demonstrates just how well the supposedly "hideous" Sony 8-bit 4:2:0 holds up against 10-bit and even 12- bit footage from other manufacturers. It doesn't beat them, but it holds its own. Matt has some strong and sometimes profane opinions on this, and his tests were fantastic.
With that said, the newer cameras with 10-bit make SLog3 practical, and that helps.
What some other video vloggers are saying is to work around the preamp issue in Nikon z6 is use an external mic with boost in audio set to 10+ db for example (or use a Shure with display) and then lower the incamera mic to a low setting so recording audio is cleaner. Is this correct to your opinion to do, Gerald? Or is the only way is to use an external audio recorder and sync later. I think the mic boosted audio is an easier solution so no need to sync later, to get better audio. What do you think?
Bit confused about the Nikon N-Log, the reds are going crazy with noise in these shots, it is by far the most noticeable aspect of the footage and I would say it is unusable. But there was no comment on this at all??
Would be nice to see a comparison X-T3 vs Z6. Ensure, firmware 2.1 is on T3. Utilise the XF16-55 2.8 vs the Z mount 24-70 f4, to keep is comparable also in terms of used lenses.
I know this is from over a year ago and finally watched it, but I have to say being a long time Nikon shooter and then picking up a Sony RX100 Mark 7 vs my Z6 for both photos and video, I am hands down 100% all in on Nikon. Both photo and video wise, especially since the recent release of the new 3.0 update with the Nikon Z series cameras, the Nikon has nearly as good 3D tracking if not better, better colour for BOTH photo and video, I also noticed with the RX100 Mark 7 with RAW images there was HEAVY vignetting compared to using the Jpeg files. I mainly use the RX100 Mark 7 for run and gun vlogging and that is the extent of use the camera gets, mainly just because of the flip up screen.
In your opinion does the in body stabilization of the Sony allow you handhold video and get steady pan shots?
I would not say it excels at that, no. It's more for helping get lower shutter speed photos or remove jitters from a gimbal.
Thank you sir
very grateful for this video, I've waited for a long time, very good, clarifies many doubts, just one thing about the 3 dials and is that remember that nikon lenses have the control ring that can be configured, it's a shame that nikon did not have the great idea of placing this ring on the adapter (point for canon) but that does not mean that they do not include it in the future. Greetings and thumb up
Thanks for the vid Mr. Undone.
On the 8/10 bit section, I would be interested to see a comparison in regards to perfect WB/Exposure and an over under stretch between them with color swatches and more importantly, skin tones. This means over expose a bit, under expose a bit, set WB heavy orange and heavy blue and see what you can get back. If history is a teacher, as I have done this quite often between other cameras such as the 8bit Canons in CLOG or 8 bit Sony's in SLOG... compared to 10 bit counterparts, I have noticed not too much a difference until you get something wrong such as the WB or exposure. Sometimes there are difference in the way mid tones are rendered and can be visibly compressed compared to 10 bit, likely making room for information in the shadows in highlights. I saw this a lot with the Panasonic GH series when people started using 8 bit LOG.
I found that 8 bit does not hold up as well in those cases and you easily get alien skin whereas 10 bit offers a good amount more flexibility to correct footage with less glaring issues. This I believe is where higher bits can really help out in comparison to 8 bit.
Of course, you should always shoot to get it right, but I know that nobody's perfect, and I have certainly been in color correction hell before. It is not a nice place and the more bit friends you've got, the better.
Very informative... thanks to Gerald for the hard work put into research!
wow so much honesty ,thank you!!
Hi, in terms of dynamic range (for video) which one is the most performant ? Thanks
For anyone watching this in Q4 2019 Pro Res RAW Nikon Z6 update next month will be HUGE video advantage for Z6.
THIS NOVEMBER 2019???
@@alghufrankhan9093 that's what I have read.
Gerald, I wonder if Nikon could fix the difficult impractical button pushing by doing a firmware update. I hope so. I hope they’re listening to you!
Thanks again.
I shot a music video a few weeks ago and face detection didn't work either. couldn't find out why. turned that it doesen't work when you have the setting "ctrl with smartphone" on. i don't get it.
Nice work! Unlike many other reviewers who just state their opinions, you're providing a technical angle allowing us to decide which one to choose. Gerald you said, on the photography side the differences between the two cameras are not so minor. I focus primarily in stills (mostly landscapes). Which one of these would you recommend based on the differences you have noticed.
Thanks so much! I think for landscapes either system will be excellent. I'd base it more on ergonomics and which camera you personally enjoy more. The differences are more obvious for sports and action and some portrait applications, but for landscapes both do a stellar job.
@@geraldundone Thanks for the quick response! I asked since the a7iii seems to have almost one full stop dynamic range advantage over the Z6 at base iso according to some tests. It's not going to be such a noticeable difference I guess.
Which I found perplexing, because it's nearly an identical sensor--both made by Sony.
Love this video ? What are your preferred in camera sharpening settings ? For some reason when I lower the sharpening settings it feels as if the camera is sharpening the image artificially
What a sensational review! This is incredibly useful. Good work Gerald!
One thing this illuminated was Nikon planning for the future - which while a nice sentiment is not really technology nowadays, they'll release a new camera before the cards become popular, and usb type-c mini etc, 8-bit at ~115Mbps not exactly an enormous leap as you say, could easily be put down to codec performance.
Excellent example with the sky too! It really don't fall apart like I'd expect either.
Can I ask what average bit-rate you got with 10-bit on the Nikon externally?
Hi Gerald, for the Z 6, you can get Tally light capability with the WR-R10 adapter.
Thanks for sharing. Appreciated.
The site www.slashcam.de (german) says that the Z6 makes a crop of 1,1 when the electronic stabilization or 10bit external recording is on. The sharpest/cleanest image is 4K FX 8 bit extern. So can you test the Z6 without electronic stabilization in 4K intern and extern against the Sony?
I did some tests and can confirm that crop. I don't know if it is exactly 1.1x, but it's small. And yeah, it only occurs with the E-stabilizer. Regular VR doesn't crop. And any 10-bit will have it as well. I'll try and compile some side-by-sides of it.
Hi Gerald. You said the bitrate with the z6 ranges between 115 and 140mb/s... If you record externally though, and are using a ninja v that bitrate jumps hugely, or am I wrong?? The hdmi out is not limited to a certain bitrate is it?? Wouldn't that mean that if you were planning to record with a ninja v, even in prores 422, the colour information and image quality would be hugelt better with the z6 ninjav combo??
Right, with most cameras the bit rate does not apply to the HDMI out, that is instead set by the external recorder. So, if you chose ProRes it would depend on which ProRes you chose, because Apple has defines the bit rates for each quality setting of ProRes.
This is the first time I see this video, very well done and super informational like always! Question: I own the a7iii and an Atomos Ninja V, I am looking into buying the Z6 as a B camera to do video (with the Ninja V since it has so many advantages to do so), but I don't have any Nikon lenses and so I'd have to start from scratch. Based on that, my question is: Am I better off buying the older a7Sii as a B camera for video? Or should I jump-into the Nikon S system? Thoughts?
How does the Nikon hold up to heating up when recording internally? and does your sony overheat?
The Sony only overheats for me after over 2 hours of handheld recording internally. And even then it's the standard warning, not the extreme warning. Neither gave me any warnings during the battery drain test, so you're probably good for at least 2 hours in normal climates. The Nikon is a bit bigger, so it might dissipate heat a little better.
Just... speechless! That's actually a good point. Just recently I started to look at the video quality (bitrate, colors and so on). I was very confused why Nikon or Fuji (XT3) did 10 bit however Sony didn't so far... Now when I saw at least comparison - honestly I don't see that much difference. Plus it most probably will produce heavier files(?) (storage still is valuable this days...). Have you ever looked at Fuji XT3? Thanks for this review!
I have, yeah. I love the X-T3. Here's my review: th-cam.com/video/Ep1ypTvBaYU/w-d-xo.html
Great video Gerald, thank you. I assume you’re referring to the AF performance mostly when discussing relative stills performance? Seems to me that the next gen Z series might be worth waiting for (currently shooting D810&D850). Cheers
Very well done comparison, good job.
On another note, does anyone think The Sony E mount is too small? and could that give them problems in the future. For example can sony still improve the IBIS any more.
Thanks, Mikey!
The mount might be a bit small for specific upgrades, but I don't find it too limiting at the moment.
And now? One year later. What is your opinion on the Z6 with prores?
Hi Gerald, what's you thoughts though on the capability of the Nikon if you were to pay for the upgrade to shoot Apple Pro Res Raw? Surely this would significantly improve the quality of the video the Nikon produces over the Sony as its the only camera at present that can shoot RAW video at this sort of price point/the DSLR market. Isn't that a game changer?
Any chance you can elaborate a little on why the gap in photos is larger? Just found your channel, instant sub, great video!
Great comparison! What are your full PP settings when using Cine 2? Have you tried EOSHD v3 PP settings (Cine 2 PP) and compared those to yours? Thanks.
I haven't done a direct comparison, but I've been quite happy with these settings here:
Gamma Cine2
Color Mode Cinema
Detail -7
Black Level 0
Black Gamma Range - Middle, Level - 0
Knee Mode - Auto
Saturation 0
Color Phase 0
Color Depth 0
8:15, no, you are talking about a completely out of focus shot (Z6) vs in focus (A7III).
Thank you so much for this! I have been torn between these two cameras for a while. I want to buy one for filming. I have several nikon lenses already. But I am very concerned about being able to color grade, so I need a camera that shoots log. Is there anything more you can say about the N-log? Also, I didn't quite understand: do you need an external recorder for the N-log? Or just for the 10-bit? Thank you!!
You do need an external recorder for N-Log, yes. It's linked to the 10-bit and both only become available over HDMI.
I think that N-Log is decent. Not the easiest, no the hardest. I do think we need a LUT from Nikon though.
I am using a D3300 and the iso control is the same. I find it easy and comfortable to adjust (it's the same way). Maybe if the camera is on a tripod, then not so much for sure.
I'm currently in the market for a new mirrorless after selling my older body + glass. I was sure I was going to get the a7iii but the z6's future firmware allowing for 12bit video really makes it hard for me to make a choice as I do like to grade my footage (coming from FS7's 10 bit). I'll be using the chosen camera for both stills (personal use) and video (professional work that usually ends up on social networks). Any suggestions Gerald?
I like them both, but I can't speak on the 12-bit until I test it out. I'll make a follow up video when it's released.
Wonderful video Gerald.... very informative.
Question please, does 10bit benefit over 8bit for more dynamic range in strong backlit conditions, like the sun behind? Ive seen lot of difference between 12 and 14bit images in dynamic range, especially higher ISO than base. Would you have time to compare video features of Canon EOS R with Sony A73 also?
I just had a relatively new UHS-II SD card fail on me yesterday, and now I can't even format it. Do we have any evidence that CFExpress or XQD is less likely to fail than SD? I wouldn't care if it were the same failure rate if the Z6 had dual card slots.