Ossiarch Bonereaper Castle: Age of Sigmar Army Masterclass
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- Rob interview the amazing Michael Rausch about his GT winning army from the Ossiarch Bonereaper faction - / early-access-age-83051748
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Here is a copy of the list - - Army Faction: Ossiarch Bonereapers
- Subfaction: Crematorians
- Grand Strategy: The Scales Balanced
- Triumph: Indomitable
LEADERS
Liege-Kavalos (180)*
- General
- Command Traits: Diversionary Tactics
Mortisan Ossifector (120)*
- Artefacts of Power: Gothizzar Cartouche
- Spells: Empower Nadirite Weapons
- Aspects of the Champion: Tunnel Master
Arkhan the Black (370)*
BATTLELINE
Mortek Guard (300)*
- Mortek Hekatos
- Nadirite Blade
- 2 x Necrophoros
- 2 x Soulcleaver Greatblade
Mortek Guard (300)*
- Mortek Hekatos
- Nadirite Blade
- 2 x Necrophoros
- 2 x Soulcleaver Greatblade
Kavalos Deathriders (170)*
- Mortek Hekatos
- Necrophoros
- Nadirite Blade
Kavalos Deathriders (170)*
- Mortek Hekatos
- Necrophoros
- Nadirite Blade
Kavalos Deathriders (170)*
- Mortek Hekatos
- Necrophoros
- Nadirite Blade
BEHEMOTH
Gothizzar Harvester (210)*
TERRAIN
1 x Bone-tithe Nexus (0)
CORE BATTALIONS
*Battle Regiment
TOTAL POINTS: 1990/2000
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I have an idea for the army name: Explodeleon Bone-Apart
The harvesters effect happens when slain models are REMOVED. Models are removed at the same time (not one by one, 14.2 of core rules). Means that if I one shot a guard unit, it can't be resurected anymore by the harvester. The old harvester didn't have the wording the same.
Great catch
Hey Rob, love the show. I recently got to play against Kaleb Walter's version of this list at a GT with my Petrifax Elite list (narrowly lost by 2 point to a prio roll and a mistake or two :( ).
The middle part of the video with the harvester + mortek combo has a few rules errors in it. Slain models are all removed at the same time ONCE ALL WOUNDS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED (14.2 core rules) therefor if you can kill the Mortek in 1 activation the harvester rolls cannot go back into the mortek guard unit so if they are on a 5+ ward save it only takes 30 unsaved damage to brick the unit (on average). The math gets trickier with multi damage attacks vs shield wall but the unit is super vulnerable to getting roared and then just killed.
Another small caveat that the was kinda missed is how to return slain models to units. You can only return models back to a unit within 1" of a model THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY SLAIN IN THAT PHASE (14.2.1 core rules). So it can be tricky to pull models correctly and not accidentally cheat.
The harvester is an incredibly complex model once you get past the surface but it is definitely powerful and I don't blame anyone for missing any nuances within it. Overall I love this overview of a very interesting and powerful list and I love the content you put out on this channel
You are skipping 14.1 wounds are assigned to a model and can't be assigned to another until it's slain. Once slain you roll harvester then resolve next damage.
@@TheHonestWargamer Harvester rolls when slain models are removed from play, not just when slain so 14.2 is really the rule we are looking for. Prior to an FAQ late last year, the harvester rolled when slain, not when removed from play. Back then the harvester wouldnt really work at all because the model would still be on the board when you rolled as no slain models are removed until all wounds have been allocated to the unit
yes this is correct, the removing of models after all wounds are allocated is whats tripping people up.
@@Ted-KotP So the combo will not work if the unit is wiped out?
@@brib9716 Correct. And also importantly, even if the unit isn't completely wiped out, if you kill say 19 out of 20, you can only return models within 1" of that 1 guy, which sometimes means you can't return as many as the harvester would otherwise allow you to. Rob's unfortunately got this one wrong (no shame in it, it's a complicated rule and easy to misunderstand and we all make mistakes sometimes).
Not played Sigmar for a while whilst being in engrossed with 40K recently, but this was a fantastic watch Rob. Baffled with all my TH-cam wargaming viewing, this level of army breakdown barely exists in either game, you've got a great production here. All hail the exploding boner boys!
Yes, more of these videos! Amazing knowledge bombs. Need this for gitz!
Another great video, really enjoying this series. It's nice how they cover the general points of the army, as well as the specifics of the list.
Great list and great analysis. You should do it more often, it’s really great!!!
Rob, I would be interested in a follow up clip or video unpacking some of the rules questions and sequencing thst is coming up in the comments. As a new player, I'd love to hear you comment on all of it. Good stuff.
This was a really great overview! Loved it, keep em coming
Loved the video. As a new OBR player, seeing different lists is a big help.
Another awesome vid, looking forward to more in between the other top quality videos you guys are making!
Great video Rob, thanks for making these!
Love the formatting for the vid amazing job rob
Great production and analysis
Great video and breakdown, as always!
I just started playing age of sigmar and the ossiarch bone reapers are the army I chose to go with, so this has been extremely helpful. Also subscribing for the backbone joke 😂
Thanks for the awesome video. Well timed as I am just building my first OBR army and am building 60 Mortek guard and 3 units of deathriderd as they look cool! Sounds like a really fun list 👍
Another great vid. I think this was a great choice of army / list to showcase as the principles really apply to most tanky armies. Unfortuantely most of them do result in the classic strategy of shooting the heroes, or in this case the harvester.. but I think those matchups aside this list has tons of fun into other melee armies
Thanks! I found this really helpful. I'm going to try my first game using a variation of 'exploding boney bois' tonight!
I do not paly AOS but I heard on the Old WOrld Show they blacklisted some of your stuff so here I am.
love these videos, cant wait for soulblight, nighthaunt and especially skaven!
Rob - awesome video. Quick question and this involves basically the whole concept on 96 1 damage attacks to kill a brick of mortek.
I see a lot of people using the Gothizar harvester more like an additional 4+ ward and that doesn't seem to be the case as it doesn't bring back models until after you've resolved the damage from the attacks and for that you need to follow 14.2 and 14.2.1.
14.2 Core rules explains when a model is slain and it's not slain until you allocate all the damage from the attacks caused to it. For example, you have a 10 brick of mortek guard that took 10 damage after wards, they each need to be assigned a damage to "resolve the attacks". So that's 1 damage to each of the guard and the unit is slain, in this example the Gothizar harvester wouldn't be able to return models.
14.2.1 Returning Slain models is also very interesting and will come into play - this says you can bring back models only within 1" of a model that was not returned this phase.
Just some food for thought. :)
To be clear. You remove one at a time. The removal activates the harvester.
@@TheHonestWargamer yes the removal triggers the harvester. But if all the models in the unit have a wound allocated to them because you have to resolve the damage before you remove models, how would you have a unit to return to in my example above?
@@JackCawood You are skipping 14.1 wounds are assigned to a model and can't be assigned to another until it's slain. Once slain you roll harvester then resolve the next one slain model
@@JackCawood you do not put one wound on each model
You have a stack you assign to a model until it's dead then repeat the process.
@@TheHonestWargamer Yes 14.1 isn't relevant because harvester doesn't trigger when models are slain, only when they are removed. They aren't removed until all wounds are allocated to the unit, not individually after each model is slain (as per 14.2). Hence, if the unit is removed in a single activation, the harvester cannot return any models to that unit.
This was really well done and I learned a lot
Noob ossiarch here. Was happy to see that what I wantyed to start AOS with seems to make sense!
That beeing said:
- why not take aura of sterility? -1 to wound and to hit helps a lot against the natural counter of the list... Do you really need the anti charge when you have this staying power?
- Not sure but... Is it really worth it to take the liege cavalos? He is ok, and with big synergy on morteks... But once again, not sure you need to win melee even more.
- Next saison, this army will probably want some immortis guards... Given that there is a secondary for them, maybe even now...
Hi, aura is also super good however it comes up in less matchups so I tend to take the things that will make the difference in the most games, and people failing charges makes people fail tactics and helps win games. And the leige is a good hero +1 attack is a great buff good in combat and is relatively tanky he's just doing things I wanted in my list of course other lists may want different things
Funny thing is I started OBR a bit before the new book. The crematorions were already my favorite just due to the fact they could blow up and i can make fire skeletons. A few of the people I play against are not a fan of my Bone bombers. Charge me I dare ya! Im taking you with me! Great vid its awesome to see the explody boys get some love.
That looks so fun ! I would love to see it in action !
This was awesome mate! Thanks!
Liked, commented, and subscribed 😂😉
love it thanks rob
This was a super helpful video.
Great video Rob! If I wasn't already subbed I would totally do so after that cracking backbone joke! haha. Awesome break down though! :)
Love it. Commenting to combat the algorithm nerfing the release of this vid.
Hey Rob. Just want to mention that slain models are removed altogether in 3rd edition (they're technically slain one at a time as the wounds are allocated, but removed simultaneously which is specifically when the harvester triggers), so if against a unit of 20 Mortek you allocate 21+ unmitigated wounds, they are gone before harvester can trigger to target them. They're still durable but significantly less so than if you removed one at a time since there are quite a few units that can go past 20 damage in a single activation.
Reference: 14.2
You are skipping 14.1 wounds are assigned to a model and can't be assigned to another until it's slain. Once slain you roll harvester then resolve next damage.
Oh snap rules references. Love it.
@@jonathandavis4819 had me worried like lots of people in the comments but I did my due diligence. If you wanna have a big row though let's work out when the crematoriums roll happens
I have no idea. I'm a pleeb bystander enjoying the explosions
@@jonathandavis4819 haha me either! There's literally no guidance. Haha. Have a good day
Nice Masterclass! I'm playing Nurgle right now and am really struggling to win matches, maybe you can do a Masterclass on Nurgle or a specific List?
PLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE ROB!!!
I will do
Have you thought about adding those cool range/damage/survivability graphs from your recent video onto your masterclass warscrolls? This would add a lot more depth to your already great content ❤
This makes me very happy I invested in this army that is if I ever play the game 😅
you got me exploding
Super cool video! I love seeing content like this, to break down interesting army ideas.
Anyone know where I can find this kind of video for IDK? I'm a relatively fresh player, and I'd love to learn more
I can’t wait to put this list together if GW would get arkon the black back in stock!
I just got one for 45 bucks from warpfire minis, they sell used stuff at an amazing price.
Popcorn reapers :)
Very good vide
Could you please do a breakdown of nurgle army please? Thank you!
“Exploners”??
Played against this list last night! It was very scary, but I shot the harvester dead turn 1 which is probably the only reason I survived.
Harvester Rule triggers when a model is removed from play, not when it is slain.
No slain models are removed from play until all wounds are allocated and all attacks are resolved.
Additionally, Bone Harvest can only return models to a unit when no wounds are allocated to a unit. Which with 14.1 and 14.2 means that a unit with slain models in it can not have models returned to it as there are wounds allocated to the unit, the only way to resolve that is to remove all of the slain model and the only model that would trigger the Harvester would be the final model you remove as it only at this point the unit would not have wounds allocated to it.
The sequence is:
-Enemy Selects Targets
-Enemy Rolls Attacks & Wounds
-You Roll Saves
-Allocate Wounds
-Roll Wards
*Here models must have allocated wounds and suffer damage until slain, then you move on to the next model. You continue repeating these steps until all wounds are allocated and all attacks resolve*(14.1-14.2)
-Once all wounds are allocated and all attacks are resolved we now go to remove slain models (14.1-14.2)
-Before each slain model is removed the Crematorian ability actives (Crematorian subfaction)
-A slain model is removed
-The Harvester ability actives (Harvester Warscroll)
-If successful and you wish to return a model within 1” of a model that was not returned earlier in the phase (14.2.1)
Bone Harvest: Roll a die each time a slain model within 6” of this unit is removed from play. …
Immolation: Each time a Crematorians model is slain, before removing it from play, …
14.1 Wound are allocated to the models in a unit one at a time. …However, once you have allocated a wound to a model, you cannot allocate to other models in that unit until that model is slain.
14.2 Once the number of wounds is allocated to a model is equal to its wound characteristic that model is slain and you can not allocate any more wounds to it. A slain model is removed from play after all of the wounds caused to its unit have been allocated and all attacks that inflicted damage on the unit have been resolved.
14.2.1 …Set up models, one at a time, within 1” of a model from their unit that was not returned to the unit earlier in the phase.
PLZ DO SBGL NEXT
Does this strategy still work after the harvester changes? I'm looking to start playing with the newest GHB and this seems like a very fun list!
Calling this list "Howl's Exploding Castle" in my list builder
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I want to play with my army :D
First of all amazing video rob you make the best aos content and they just getting better and better. Quick question if you have two harvesters and a model dies would they both proc ? Like is the case with the fyreslayers heros cheers
It sounds very strong to the point that people would not want to play vs it.
”Creme of the crop”, looks really interesting, but the big problem is keeping the Harvester alive!
4+ save and 10 wounds is not a lot in this meta.
2 or 3+ save and 5+ Ward most likely
This video was a fun watch but I think I am too late to the party as this video may not be 100% accurate anymore after the Sept 23 Bonereaper errata. The harvester's ability now only triggers on Ossiarch BR units within 6" that were slain in the combat phase. Which means, slain non-Ossiarch Bonereaper models no longer contribute to the heal and you can't resurrect models if they were killed in any other phase.
See errata sept 23" www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/3IG3RrNWJtyJgedX.pdf
I Rob are you planing to do some aos tournaments in July would love to play in one
We have some on our eventbrite
You do WONDERFUL job, Rob, and thank you a lot! Your Masterclass materials are something what can give a smile ;D What Army you'd like to introduce? ;)
Booming Bone Daddy's?
How does the loss of Tunnel Master affect the way this list plays?
Does this still work with the new change?
Question for the math about the harvester: Was this taking into account that you remove slain models after all damage had been applied and not as the model is slain? Since there is applied wounds to the unit you would only be able to heal and not return models. Once a model hits its wound cap it is slain and slain models cannot be healed. So if you do one instance of 20 dmg for example (after wards this is applying 20 wounds) the models can't be healed because they all qualify as slain and also have pending allocated wounds so the harvester cannot return models because of allocated wounds and may only heal but slain models cannot be healed.
I think everyone will be playing this wrong but I blame GW for not changing who this rule is written.
you remove each model as its slain but hi babe and im hoping it gets cleared up in the faq
You are skipping 14.1 wounds are assigned to a model and can't be assigned to another until it's slain. Once slain you roll harvester then resolve next damage.
@@TheHonestWargamer ya it's a mess why it's not similar to the FEC chalice is beyond me.
@@TheHonestWargamer 14.2 states that you apply all wounds to the unit before removing slain models. Which brings up the question are you removing all slain models at the same time or one at a time? almost everything is done one at a time such as a model moving attacking or having wounds applied but removing slain models is not mentioned.
please send help these rules are melting my brain!
Exploding boners
Does FAQ on harvesters kill this archetype?
Yes babe
Boomreaper Castle
I WATCHED A HANDY VIDEO ON HOW TO PLAY WITH CREAMTORIUM EXPLODING BONER BOYS
I always named the dude in the crotch of the gothizzar Richard.
It's almost like someone should do a soulblight video like this... You know... Since they have all the current 5-0... Might be a great idea... You know since it's doing so well...
It will be faqd and therefore not be worth making a video about
@@TheHonestWargamerand what a mighty nerf it was lmao.
Way to get it nerfed Ron....
Hahahah I can't help they hate me
@@TheHonestWargamer That would be pretty fantastic if they literally changed the rules on Armies every time you did a Masterclass deep dive on them. "Rob did another video on how to play that army with relevant well thought out information??? Can't have that lads, change the rules so his video is wrong!"
Great production and analysis
Great production and analysis
Great production and analysis