Here's a link to Umberto Eco's "Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt" for your reading pleasure- www.interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fascism.html
It's refreshing to see a video of this seemingly forgotten show in 2020. I love the Tron franchise, and I still believe the show is still an absolute masterpiece when it comes to it's visual design.
i feel like there are two types of people, those who have heard of tron uprising and those who haven''t. you certainly can't forget this show. i still have hope a sequel will come along someday. maybe if tron 3 ever gets released they will make another. i don't know how they will assemble all the talent that made the show though. this show was 1 in a million.
It’s impressive how people still enjoy this show. 5 or 6 years after its airing, and disappointedly its incomplete ending. This and Motorcity, but that ended on a slightly better ending.
Robert valley art style he also made character design for The Beatles. Metallica. Gorillaz animated music videos also the zima blue episode from love death and robots
I think TRON Uprising is one of the best shows about figthing tyranny, the stakes just feel so real, and the characters and storyteller are top notch. God I wish this show got a proper ending.
It's a big shame they never picked it back up, honestly. I would have liked to see the xenophobia angle studied more, had they had another season or two to continue the story; I could see an actual ISO character being introduced (outside of the ones seen in flashbacks) to perhaps better-show the effects of CLU's reign on their lives, and why it's important to help them too. Plus, Paige would likely have gotten further development and the chance to unlearn the toxic ideologies that led her to work for CLU in the first place; that would probably have made the redemption arc they kept hinting at much more plausible and compelling. Though at the end of the day, this is just my speculation, maybe if it had continued it would have gone in a completely different direction, for better or for worse. Either way, we'll never know for sure :/
@@roastbeeff or the time shortly after when she says, “I’d love to see what’s under-“ And Beck responds, “Why don’t we slow down a bit” as he overwhelms her
As convenience as it gets, being a super hero is still not a realistic way to inspire a revolution. Btw, I love how Paige was portrayed with the brainwash from outside and her internal struggles.
Tron Uprising was such a slick and awesome show to watch, I as a child never watched either movie, but this (and the Kingdom Hearts levels) were enough for me.
Okay after watching the whole video, I agree with this 100%. Especially liked your distinction between different elements of fascism and how Uprising disappoints in the xenophobic areas. I remember being very upset that the two major black characters were killed off and it felt tone-deaf for this particular narrative. They were using black people to up the tragedy of Beck's circumstances without giving them proper arcs or development themselves. At the very least, more major characters should have been POC so this wouldn't have felt so jarring (though it still would have been worth critiquing).
I do not think that you really got what the point of paige was, she was still willing to help Tesla and stay on the facist side bacause, the ideology that it formed made her feel secure and wanted, it mirrored the Story line of dyson, in where he felt betrayed by flyn, and then joined clu in his ideological belives because He thought that even if clu was a radical, at least he is able and willing to help. Paiges Story is in a sence the same, she just needs to Look past the vail of her indoctrination, while dyson joined out of Frustration and oppertunism, paige joined out of the believe that only clu's regime was willing to help people like herself. Tron uprising doesn't just try to point a finger and say fashism bad, it wants to tell you not only why it is bad, but also why people join it in the first place and stay there, it tells you how such a rise to Power could even happen, and how you could maybe even get them out of such a dark place and belive.
the thing about the show not fully exploring the anti fascist narrative not being fully realized is that it got cancelled. i feel like if Paige had more time to grow as a character the xenophobia would've been addressed definitely considering that the two Iso characters we see should be still alive(well at least Qoura). also paige isn't necessarily choosing to be xenophobic she's basically brain washed by the community she's around (by that i mean is being taught wrong info and is became an officer off of being mislead) and thinks what she's doing is right. that aside great video i really appreciate this. as a 18yld black male i grew up loving this series and your analysis solidified why it resonates. thank you.
also my use of "Selfmachine" by I Blame Coco was a deliberate reference to Draqua's TRON: Uprising AMV that uses the La Roux remix of Selfmachine; it's like a fun little easter egg i wanted to put in.
I hate how everything has to be about politics now. Still, hopefully this show gets a season 2 someday. But not in today's climate imo. 8:31 Uh huh, I guess you just don't like subtlety then. Everything has to be dumbed down and shoved down people's throats, huh? Why can't we just have nice things man, geez. Stop using art to further anyones politics! Leave art to be art. Otherwise there won't be any interesting art anymore. Like as if our lifes aren't miserable already, people gotta take away skillful artistry as well until every normie is some sort of activist for whoever. Asinine.
"Stop using art to further anyones politics! Leave art to be art." Art has been intertwined with politics for centuries now, you saying making this statement just makes you seem like an idiot. "I'd rather stay like this forever than be a puppet of a tyrant" - Tron. That quote is such a blatant political statement & this show has a blatant political statement, that you'd have to be purposely obtuse to it.
@@sontho6995 I know. Sorry for not being specific enough. Because, with politics, I mean our *current* politics of course. Like, don't make it so blatantly obvious on which side your trying to appeal to with your art. Otherwise It's just propaganda and I personally just see that as a waste of artistic talent. Meaningful messages etc. should be subtle, otherwise you're just treating the viewer as stupid. If you treat people as stupid, they'll start acting like it. If our brains don't get challenged, we'll become stupid. Being able to see both sides of the argument is important. Art is supposed to open people's minds, not narrow them to any specific side or opinion. The guy in the video is complaining how the anti fascist theme isn't overt and clear enough. In my opinion that's the wrong attitude. He seems like someone who's insecure about his own beliefs, doesn't want to be wrong about anything ever and is just generally easily offended. Such individuals deeply disturb me. Art, meaning, life lessons, great writing, well written 3 dimensional chatacters etc. should always come *first* . And underlying themes of whatever politics (who cares) *second* .
@@Vanyx1000 Fascism is heavily involved in the current political climate, so it only disproves your point more. Tron uprising ain't exactly subtle with it's messages & there is no rule that messages have to be "subtle" that's honestly stupid as the metal gear series has overtly blatant political allegories that bash player over it & the games have garnered critical acclaim for it.
@@sontho6995 I highly doubt Tron Uprising was intented to be primarily used to have a political message. I'm pretty sure the creators had more important motivations. Cartoons (recent ones) that have been created primarily to say something political usually suck on the artistic side, no wonder. And I sure as hell don't want to watch those dumpster fires nor do I want them to be the only program available. I don't want all the cartoons to become primarily political. It's nonsense. If someone wants to say something about politics, they ought to quit being cowards and do it somewhere more appropriate and not cover a entire industry in low quality filth just to further someone's agenda. The quality in television has been steadily declining, since a long time ago to be fair, but I think It's about to hit a new low. Possibly thanks to those politically motivated folk who don't really care about art at all and just want to shove their opinions down people's throats.
@@Vanyx1000 The show's main narrative was to start an uprising against Clu, the dictator who sieged control & has been forcing everybody to live under his rule. But please try to somehow state that the show wasn't made with blatant political allegories in mind.
bro wtf, less than 1,000 views and less than 100 likes? I know it's been 6 days, but still. >:( You're criminally underrated, you need more subscribers.
Thank you so much for this video! Tron: Uprising is a beautiful series with valuable messages that definitely deserve some spotlight. Your video makes good points and I appreciate you taking the time to explore this perspective of the series in relation to our current political climate.
I would also like to discuss Tron himself. CLU's police state isnt upon virgin soil- many of the sentries and black guards were Tron's men. And the military policies were made in order to keep the Grid alive in stories like TRON Betrayal and TRON Evolution. Granted. Many of the military forces were first proposed by CLU but Tron let them slide and allowed them to fester and flourish. As one of the three founders of the Grid, Tron is as much as fault as CLU and Flynn. ~ I suppose it fits much of reality. A good but flawed idea for a new sovereign state becomes mired in quagmires of moral grayness, their flawed leaders, and ambitions for power. And Tron is trying to do right and rebel against the force he helped make in a sort of unannounced affirmative action.
Some thoughts about Tron: Uprising not being anti-facist enough in the line of fighting xenofobia: - well, I think it's mostly because Beck is a young program and he does not know what exactly happened during ISO wars, it's not his concern at the time of the show's main plot. And at the time, it is believed that all ISOs were wiped out, so there is no need to hunt them down, so military does not need to focus their campaign on that - their main concern at the time is the Renegade. But yeah, you're right, it's just in flashbacks, but I would say it's main topic of the flashbacks. And I also think the xenofobia would be more explored in the second season or the movie that should have been between these seasons (in it's recently leaked script Quorra - an ISO - appears and talks to Beck about wiping out ISOs. Thanks for the video anyway, amazing work! Not so many people realize that Tron: Uprising isn't just a kid's Disney cartoon, but a work with many deep thought that could tell people a lot even without a hectoliters of blood and vulgarisms.
I think something I disagree with the video is that you paint that main characters as "Heroes" because they are rebelling against the "Villians." Realistically, not every decision each character makes is the right decision (A lot of times its the wrong decision). Part of what makes the show great is not necessarily their decisions, but their will. Their will to rebel against a system they choose to change. As well, I think you also glossed over many of the characters who agree with the fascist system they are in. Some call it brainwashing or conformity, but other characters fully acknowledge their actions as the right answer. This argument amongst people, contradicting ideals, and philosophy is kind of why I like the show a lot. Also, Personal Note Separate from the Review: I noticed you glanced over topics like Antifa, the Riots, Black Lives Matter, and Donald Trump. I would have personally liked if you either went deeper in the comparisons, or just not talked about them at all. What little you had just felt poorly done. I also was not a fan that you used America when other countries around the world have it much harder. Calling the United States Fascist is laughable and dumb when Sovereign Territories like Hong Kong are literally losing their democracy. We can at least vote Trump out of Office; Hong Kong is stuck with whatever China tells them without a voice to speak. People in Hong Kong are dying for their freedom.
Okay, but isn't the show's narrative already the one painting main characters as the heroes and the antagonists as the villains? Aren't the good guys designed with blue, green, and white colors while the bad guys are designed with orange, yellow, and red colors? and as for the characters who fully agree with fascism, wasn't commander Paige tricked into joining because she was lied to? I don't know if there was much of an argument between characters with differing philosophies- all i remember is Beck and Paige interacting with each other in "Welcome Home" where the two characters both found common ground in their desire to keep people alive and "Rendevous" where they spend more time together and Beck starts to influence one of Paige's decisions, but at the end of the episode she decides to stop hanging out with him because she doesn't want become more merciful at her job, and I feel like the point of the episode was that Paige will still be loyal to fascism even if fascism throws her under the bus. There are other narratives that deal with complex issues where there is no right answer, but I don't think TRON: Uprising was trying to say that 'there were valid arguments on 'both sides' of the conflict, it was saying that one side (the villains) was more wrong than the other- it showed us both sides, but because of that, we can see that one side is built on lies and suffering. As for the current events, I think by saying "Black lives deserve to be treated with dignity" i was getting the same message across as if I had said "Black Lives Matter" (a movement that I agree with because Black people matter), Antifa is just an abbreviation of the word 'antifascism' which means that they're not an organization, they're just people with matching viewpoints, and the 45th President of the United States' decision to label "antifa" (aka people who do not like fascism) as a terrorist organization is pretty similar to how the villains of TRON: Uprising have labeled the renegade as a terrorist. I agree that Hong Kong and other countries have it worse than in the U.S., but there are other countries in the world that have it better than the U.S., too, and I don't think it's so "laughable" to compare the United States to fascism when it has a cult of tradition, an eternal period of wartime (esp with the middle east conflicts), anti-intellectualism, as well as a history of xenophobia and racism that is still present to this day. Given how the country practically worships policemen and will often let them get away with anything without consequences, and how when Americans ask that cops to be held accountable, cops respond by beating them into submission, it very much feels like the country is a police state. People in Hong Kong are dying for their freedom, yes, but people in the United States of America are also being killed with impunity -being denied their dignity as human beings- and that deserves to be spoken out against, too.
@The Devastator Keep Politics Out of Tron? Tron was always about Politics; even the first one. If anything, politics are why I like Tron. Paige knew what life she had even after she found out that she was lied to. Once she saw what was really going on, it shook her up a bit, but when she considered the alternative, she was contempt with what she had. Maybe it was because she was already in the higher ranks and she wanted to stay in the higher ranks, but she still had that feeling of "This is better." As well, the episode "Welcome Home" is supposed to connect us together, that we are all human beings, even if we don't agree with each other. The episode was meant to showcase how separated human beings and how far different our ideologies can stray from one another, but at the end of the day, we are more alike than we wish to admit. Paige, in the end, disagreed with Beck's philosophy, but consented he was still a human being who deserved to live and express himself. You know why comparing the United States to Fascism is laughable? How are you able to upload your video to TH-cam? How are we able to have this Public conversation online? How are people able to literally protest every day of the year outside of the White House? Because the people have the freedom to do so. You know what Fascism is? Only being allowed to go on the internet certain times of the day, and the government regulating what sites you are allowed to go on. Fascism is the government regulating what you are allowed to say. Last I checked, the only time Donald Trump tried "Regulating" the internet was for less censorship, not more censorship. As someone who's family actually came from a Fascist country, and who still has friends in Fascist countries, I think a lot of people squander what they have in America and do not take advantage of what they have.
I mean, this video is clearly just thinly veiled propaganda for the author's political view point. You can really tell when a video is going to be bullshit when they use Umberto Eco as their authority on fascism, personally I bust a gut laughing when I see it.
AWESOME video! I, too hated that they killed off Cutler, after pulling a Lando Calrissian on him (by having him turn on Beck, like how Lando turned on Han Solo in Ep. 5), and how they killed off Abel. I also agree that the show should have explored the xenophobic aspects of Clu's occupation, especially the hell the ISOs were catching.
Everything was ok but the BLM stuff you dropped there dude like you seemed to be making self advertising with that... I find hard to believe that someone smart is capable of praising such non sense quote, there are no black lives, there are lives and there's no bad white or black people, just bad people and good people, get over the tags for them just serve to enclosure the points of view and create a deviant sense of justice. Race shouldn't matter for political and social aspects (mostly), one shouldn't pick a president just by his skin color for example and one shouldn't feel addressed for any aspect related to your race or color (if u know what I mean) at least when it comes to things like this
Congrats, you watched Tron and decided to be a minion for CLU and his fascist police state. I like how people like you love media that has political undertones (Star Wars, ATLA, Tron, etc) but in reality you throw away all the themes the story taught you to end up being a Stormtrooper or Fire Nation invader. In the future you will see how your ignorance is portrayed; like the complicit and supportive members of oppressive regimes like the Nazi party and the terrorism of the KKK.
@@slowcavalry you certainly are not talking about me isn't it? I mean if you read again how can I be the one following the media trendings? Or facist? Like I agree with everything you said, specially the fact that there's people who genuinely feel empowered based on their point of view of a movie or series (which I'm not saying it's not possible at all) but I don't see my comment matching that description, if anything I make myself clear, I find cringy and unsettling this BLM trend
@@LuxCirilo Advocating for black lives is not "cringe" its being a decent human being who cares for his fellow man. If you see BLM as preachy or annoying in some sense, you are in fact a racist.
@@slowcavalry ladies and gentleman this is exactly the kind of problem I've spoken of... what does it take to be labeled as a racist? Hate? Murder? Violence? Racism? NO all you have to do it's just not agree with those who feel in power to judge and punish so they can tag you as whatever they want and claim to be right about it because why not... certainly a true example of facism. "Care for the fellow man"? So tell me does this _fellow man_ has a skin colour? Or a gender? A political, economical or religious stand? Or a nationality? Does these things make you care more or less for this so called _fellow man_ ? And you dare to say I'm the racist for not supporting a movement that is clearly determined to polarize every situation based on the colour of the skin? How do you call that? The definition of racism surely comes to mind Don't play the fool cause I wrote my comment clearly for no one to confuse, I said there's no bad or good black/white people, there's bad and good people no matter the colour and justice should be for all (with all the good and bad things that implies), the fact that you dare to say that BLM is a good movement is falacy, what do you have to say about the unfair hate and violence promoted by this group towards inocent people? What do you call the hate and discrimination instigated towards some people just because they're white, or because they're cops or because they're wealthy? How do you call when you hate and prejudge someone just for the colour of their skin, their job or their wealth? I don't know you but that's not different from racism, you're putting the blame on innocent people, hating them and demanding for them to suffer or pay for something they have nothing to do... yes, tragedies happen and yes, sometimes there are culprits but these movement doesn't seem to stop there and it has become nothing but an excuse for those who seek hate and keep resentment thanks to what the media have thaught them to hate, just like they've done with you Talk about the innocent store owners and employees that have suffered from this madness, talk about the inoccent cops that have been harassed and hated, talk about those inoccent white and even black people who have been labeled as evil just for being rich (smells like socialism/comunism) think about how this is bad for them , and this is supposed to be the "Care for the fellow man"? THEY are fellow man too and that's what I said before, there's no black or white lives there are lives and all lives matter, we cannot be divided against each other by prejudice. This reminds me of a black woman who said something like "when you see some cops doing bad things it's not hard to assume everyone are like that" that's how BLM thinks and if we followed that reasoning as an excuse then someone could also argue "when you see some black people commiting crimes it's not hard to assume everyone are like that" so following your reasoning no one would be a racist and those called bad cops or racist people wouldn't be racist at all cause they would just be doing what you're doing which is discrimination and prejudice... think about someone else besides yourself before following a movement, consider that not everything is just as you see it, other people have different stands, try to understand as much as you can and make sure that either the problem and the solution make sense... USA needs to be aware of this, they need to identify the real problem and accept that maybe it cannot be entirely fixed and not everyone could always be happy but at least people must try... otherwise they will remain stuck like this forever in a repetitive cycle of non sense hating and discrimination from everyone towards everyone... heck I'm starting to think this is something part of USA culture more than a problem, they've been going in circles with this for so long that it makes it look like that
I though I was the only one who saw this show, good to know it hasn't be forgotten, you won't see shows like this now... world have lost values and as you said recent events prove it, I'd to see Tron revived but I doubt disney will do thag given that fact that every single thing produced now has to complain with the chinesse facist goverment regulations (ironically)
I highly recommend the anime legend of the galactic heros. The hero is a historian and his ideals are solid. Btw he uses his mind to greater effect then any punch.
Naw, you’re reaching bud. It doesn’t need to focus on fascist xenophobia if that’s not where they wanted to go. That’s not a shortcoming, it’s just your view. Don’t liberalize it.
i totally agree with all the points made in this video. SPECIALLY the comment of how they treat their two black characters! i loved able and cutler, it was disappointing that they killed them off.. i love this franchise so much and tron uprising was criminally underrated, however, i do think that even if it wasnt meant to read this way, paiges story is very similar to how white people (specially kids) are radicalized by the alt right when theyre vulnerable. she lost her friends and home and was constantly manipulated by tesler into believing what is basically nazi propaganda just how now people are basically brainwashed by modern nazis even if its by meme formats and stupid tweets. i hope i make sense. i am not defending her actions, i just think that her story couldve been very interesting if the writers were meaning for it to be read that way
steelhound duncan Based on the analysis of history. take a closer look... The grid was created by Kevin Flynn to be a digital frontier. its inhabitants considered him a “god”. All programs and isos follow a tradition of obeying "god" and his commandments. They lived in a utopia. Until clu, an image and likeness of "god", broke the tradition and disobeyed god. He made a revolution and took possession of the grid. Then it clu “killed” its rightful owner Kevin Flynn (as it was seen in tron evolution). We can draw an analogy with the fall of the czar in the Russian revolution During the government of clu everything went worse, because clu’s goverment is a centralized with the monopoly of the force and security. he invaded the properties of peaceful programs and took them, and censored freedom of speech with justification for protecting them. Clu also persecute and killed almost all isos, in the opinion that they were a threat to national sovereignty. Does it remind you of something? No? ... maybe the genocide in Cambodia, the genocide in Ukraine or the fight between Lenin and Trotsky. He also created a cult of his personality, represented by the color red (the same color as socialism). Programs that follow him don’t believe and oposse to users (or gods) and even persecute them and their supporters. They are against religion (but they worship the personality of the dictator) and against the "gods". Do the same way that communists persecute religious. The clu government: -It is not a cult of tradition -A cult of harmful modernism -A cult of pseudo-intellectualism -A cult of pseudoscience -A strong census of progressivism - Pursuit of spirituality -Worship of the state - Centralized state - Property invasion (aggression) -Aversion to different opinions -Aversion to decentralization the same characteristics of socialist governments. Beck is against clu’s goverment. He is against a cultural revolution. Many times he said “Before clu things were better”, and he also said “the State is the enemy”( a libertarian or anarchocaptalist frase). Another interesting thing is that Beck didn’t destroy clu’s statue because clu was xenophobe or fascist. He destoyed it because tesler broke into his proprerty and because clu’s forces killed his friend, as Bodhi said “this is our field”.
Here's a link to Umberto Eco's "Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt" for your reading pleasure- www.interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_Fascism.html
It's refreshing to see a video of this seemingly forgotten show in 2020. I love the Tron franchise, and I still believe the show is still an absolute masterpiece when it comes to it's visual design.
Disney need to hurry up and sell it to someone who could take care of it 🙄
The actions scenes still hold up incredibly well, even better than the Clone Wars series.
i feel like there are two types of people, those who have heard of tron uprising and those who haven''t. you certainly can't forget this show. i still have hope a sequel will come along someday. maybe if tron 3 ever gets released they will make another. i don't know how they will assemble all the talent that made the show though. this show was 1 in a million.
The story too
It’s impressive how people still enjoy this show. 5 or 6 years after its airing, and disappointedly its incomplete ending. This and Motorcity, but that ended on a slightly better ending.
Love this show but the characters are like 80% legs
I remember a behind the scenes video where the cast joked about how the characters all look like basketball players lol
The ladies are fine but the guys are like frog to me
Robert valley art style he also made character design for The Beatles. Metallica. Gorillaz animated music videos also the zima blue episode from love death and robots
Aeox flux inspired the character vdesign.
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave
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I think TRON Uprising is one of the best shows about figthing tyranny, the stakes just feel so real, and the characters and storyteller are top notch. God I wish this show got a proper ending.
It's a big shame they never picked it back up, honestly. I would have liked to see the xenophobia angle studied more, had they had another season or two to continue the story; I could see an actual ISO character being introduced (outside of the ones seen in flashbacks) to perhaps better-show the effects of CLU's reign on their lives, and why it's important to help them too. Plus, Paige would likely have gotten further development and the chance to unlearn the toxic ideologies that led her to work for CLU in the first place; that would probably have made the redemption arc they kept hinting at much more plausible and compelling.
Though at the end of the day, this is just my speculation, maybe if it had continued it would have gone in a completely different direction, for better or for worse. Either way, we'll never know for sure :/
I liked how uncensored the romance jokes were it honestly made me love the relationships in the series more.
what we’re the jokes again? I can’t remember them
@@roastbeeff one can be found in the first episode. It’s a hint as a sexual joke when Paige says to Beck, “They usually don’t last this long.”
@@roastbeeff or the time shortly after when she says, “I’d love to see what’s under-“
And Beck responds, “Why don’t we slow down a bit” as he overwhelms her
As convenience as it gets, being a super hero is still not a realistic way to inspire a revolution. Btw, I love how Paige was portrayed with the brainwash from outside and her internal struggles.
Tron Uprising was such a slick and awesome show to watch, I as a child never watched either movie, but this (and the Kingdom Hearts levels) were enough for me.
HELL YEAH, LOVE THIS SHOW.
Okay after watching the whole video, I agree with this 100%. Especially liked your distinction between different elements of fascism and how Uprising disappoints in the xenophobic areas. I remember being very upset that the two major black characters were killed off and it felt tone-deaf for this particular narrative. They were using black people to up the tragedy of Beck's circumstances without giving them proper arcs or development themselves. At the very least, more major characters should have been POC so this wouldn't have felt so jarring (though it still would have been worth critiquing).
I really hope they revive this amazing show it ended on a huge cliffhanger
Able's and Cutler's deaths hit hard.
Gotta mention the anarchist and nihilistic themes going on with Cyrus and how they compete with Beck's ideas.
Cyrus is Beck's "Opposite Number" or the "Dark Reflection" villain archetype, like Venom/Bullseye to Beck's Spider-Man/Daredevil...
I do not think that you really got what the point of paige was, she was still willing to help Tesla and stay on the facist side bacause, the ideology that it formed made her feel secure and wanted, it mirrored the Story line of dyson, in where he felt betrayed by flyn, and then joined clu in his ideological belives because He thought that even if clu was a radical, at least he is able and willing to help. Paiges Story is in a sence the same, she just needs to Look past the vail of her indoctrination, while dyson joined out of Frustration and oppertunism, paige joined out of the believe that only clu's regime was willing to help people like herself. Tron uprising doesn't just try to point a finger and say fashism bad, it wants to tell you not only why it is bad, but also why people join it in the first place and stay there, it tells you how such a rise to Power could even happen, and how you could maybe even get them out of such a dark place and belive.
Well said, I completely agree.
agreed
the thing about the show not fully exploring the anti fascist narrative not being fully realized is that it got cancelled. i feel like if Paige had more time to grow as a character the xenophobia would've been addressed definitely considering that the two Iso characters we see should be still alive(well at least Qoura). also paige isn't necessarily choosing to be xenophobic she's basically brain washed by the community she's around (by that i mean is being taught wrong info and is became an officer off of being mislead) and thinks what she's doing is right. that aside great video i really appreciate this. as a 18yld black male i grew up loving this series and your analysis solidified why it resonates. thank you.
DISNEY NEEDS THIS BACK, WE NEEDS THIS BACK
_HAPPY TO SEE A LOT OF PRAISE TO THIS JEWEL RECENTLY_
also my use of "Selfmachine" by I Blame Coco was a deliberate reference to Draqua's TRON: Uprising AMV that uses the La Roux remix of Selfmachine; it's like a fun little easter egg i wanted to put in.
link: th-cam.com/video/_uSBwFyLLNc/w-d-xo.html
I hate how everything has to be about politics now.
Still, hopefully this show gets a season 2 someday. But not in today's climate imo.
8:31 Uh huh, I guess you just don't like subtlety then.
Everything has to be dumbed down and shoved down people's throats, huh? Why can't we just have nice things man, geez.
Stop using art to further anyones politics! Leave art to be art. Otherwise there won't be any interesting art anymore.
Like as if our lifes aren't miserable already, people gotta take away skillful artistry as well until every normie is some sort of activist for whoever. Asinine.
"Stop using art to further anyones politics! Leave art to be art." Art has been intertwined with politics for centuries now, you saying making this statement just makes you seem like an idiot. "I'd rather stay like this forever than be a puppet of a tyrant" - Tron. That quote is such a blatant political statement & this show has a blatant political statement, that you'd have to be purposely obtuse to it.
@@sontho6995 I know. Sorry for not being specific enough.
Because, with politics, I mean our *current* politics of course. Like, don't make it so blatantly obvious on which side your trying to appeal to with your art. Otherwise It's just propaganda and I personally just see that as a waste of artistic talent.
Meaningful messages etc. should be subtle, otherwise you're just treating the viewer as stupid. If you treat people as stupid, they'll start acting like it. If our brains don't get challenged, we'll become stupid. Being able to see both sides of the argument is important. Art is supposed to open people's minds, not narrow them to any specific side or opinion.
The guy in the video is complaining how the anti fascist theme isn't overt and clear enough. In my opinion that's the wrong attitude. He seems like someone who's insecure about his own beliefs, doesn't want to be wrong about anything ever and is just generally easily offended. Such individuals deeply disturb me.
Art, meaning, life lessons, great writing, well written 3 dimensional chatacters etc. should always come *first* . And underlying themes of whatever politics (who cares) *second* .
@@Vanyx1000 Fascism is heavily involved in the current political climate, so it only disproves your point more. Tron uprising ain't exactly subtle with it's messages & there is no rule that messages have to be "subtle" that's honestly stupid as the metal gear series has overtly blatant political allegories that bash player over it & the games have garnered critical acclaim for it.
@@sontho6995 I highly doubt Tron Uprising was intented to be primarily used to have a political message. I'm pretty sure the creators had more important motivations.
Cartoons (recent ones) that have been created primarily to say something political usually suck on the artistic side, no wonder. And I sure as hell don't want to watch those dumpster fires nor do I want them to be the only program available. I don't want all the cartoons to become primarily political. It's nonsense. If someone wants to say something about politics, they ought to quit being cowards and do it somewhere more appropriate and not cover a entire industry in low quality filth just to further someone's agenda.
The quality in television has been steadily declining, since a long time ago to be fair, but I think It's about to hit a new low. Possibly thanks to those politically motivated folk who don't really care about art at all and just want to shove their opinions down people's throats.
@@Vanyx1000 The show's main narrative was to start an uprising against Clu, the dictator who sieged control & has been forcing everybody to live under his rule. But please try to somehow state that the show wasn't made with blatant political allegories in mind.
Thank you for still talking about Tron Uprising. I find it better than Legacy personally. Sorry if this is late.
bro wtf, less than 1,000 views and less than 100 likes? I know it's been 6 days, but still. >:(
You're criminally underrated, you need more subscribers.
Can you do one of these for Motorcity?
#FreeHongKong
Thank you so much for this video! Tron: Uprising is a beautiful series with valuable messages that definitely deserve some spotlight. Your video makes good points and I appreciate you taking the time to explore this perspective of the series in relation to our current political climate.
Me and my brother just rewatched the series on Disney plus. Hopefully a sign they could be bringing it back
thank you for crediting the wachowski sisters correctly!!
Why are you judging the characters by their skin color instead of their good deeds and what they stood for 7:06
Yeah that's a weird part for me. Why does it matter. They were both good characters
I would also like to discuss Tron himself.
CLU's police state isnt upon virgin soil- many of the sentries and black guards were Tron's men. And the military policies were made in order to keep the Grid alive in stories like TRON Betrayal and TRON Evolution.
Granted. Many of the military forces were first proposed by CLU but Tron let them slide and allowed them to fester and flourish.
As one of the three founders of the Grid, Tron is as much as fault as CLU and Flynn.
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I suppose it fits much of reality.
A good but flawed idea for a new sovereign state becomes mired in quagmires of moral grayness, their flawed leaders, and ambitions for power.
And Tron is trying to do right and rebel against the force he helped make in a sort of unannounced affirmative action.
You my dear sir have just earned yourself a subscriber, just for remembering this underrated gem.
Whatever shortcomings the series had would've been covered in its second season, but alas, the show got cancelled on a cliffhanger.
Some thoughts about Tron: Uprising not being anti-facist enough in the line of fighting xenofobia:
- well, I think it's mostly because Beck is a young program and he does not know what exactly happened during ISO wars, it's not his concern at the time of the show's main plot. And at the time, it is believed that all ISOs were wiped out, so there is no need to hunt them down, so military does not need to focus their campaign on that - their main concern at the time is the Renegade.
But yeah, you're right, it's just in flashbacks, but I would say it's main topic of the flashbacks. And I also think the xenofobia would be more explored in the second season or the movie that should have been between these seasons (in it's recently leaked script Quorra - an ISO - appears and talks to Beck about wiping out ISOs.
Thanks for the video anyway, amazing work! Not so many people realize that Tron: Uprising isn't just a kid's Disney cartoon, but a work with many deep thought that could tell people a lot even without a hectoliters of blood and vulgarisms.
I think something I disagree with the video is that you paint that main characters as "Heroes" because they are rebelling against the "Villians." Realistically, not every decision each character makes is the right decision (A lot of times its the wrong decision). Part of what makes the show great is not necessarily their decisions, but their will. Their will to rebel against a system they choose to change. As well, I think you also glossed over many of the characters who agree with the fascist system they are in. Some call it brainwashing or conformity, but other characters fully acknowledge their actions as the right answer. This argument amongst people, contradicting ideals, and philosophy is kind of why I like the show a lot.
Also, Personal Note Separate from the Review:
I noticed you glanced over topics like Antifa, the Riots, Black Lives Matter, and Donald Trump. I would have personally liked if you either went deeper in the comparisons, or just not talked about them at all. What little you had just felt poorly done. I also was not a fan that you used America when other countries around the world have it much harder. Calling the United States Fascist is laughable and dumb when Sovereign Territories like Hong Kong are literally losing their democracy. We can at least vote Trump out of Office; Hong Kong is stuck with whatever China tells them without a voice to speak. People in Hong Kong are dying for their freedom.
Okay, but isn't the show's narrative already the one painting main characters as the heroes and the antagonists as the villains? Aren't the good guys designed with blue, green, and white colors while the bad guys are designed with orange, yellow, and red colors? and as for the characters who fully agree with fascism, wasn't commander Paige tricked into joining because she was lied to? I don't know if there was much of an argument between characters with differing philosophies- all i remember is Beck and Paige interacting with each other in "Welcome Home" where the two characters both found common ground in their desire to keep people alive and "Rendevous" where they spend more time together and Beck starts to influence one of Paige's decisions, but at the end of the episode she decides to stop hanging out with him because she doesn't want become more merciful at her job, and I feel like the point of the episode was that Paige will still be loyal to fascism even if fascism throws her under the bus. There are other narratives that deal with complex issues where there is no right answer, but I don't think TRON: Uprising was trying to say that 'there were valid arguments on 'both sides' of the conflict, it was saying that one side (the villains) was more wrong than the other- it showed us both sides, but because of that, we can see that one side is built on lies and suffering.
As for the current events, I think by saying "Black lives deserve to be treated with dignity" i was getting the same message across as if I had said "Black Lives Matter" (a movement that I agree with because Black people matter), Antifa is just an abbreviation of the word 'antifascism' which means that they're not an organization, they're just people with matching viewpoints, and the 45th President of the United States' decision to label "antifa" (aka people who do not like fascism) as a terrorist organization is pretty similar to how the villains of TRON: Uprising have labeled the renegade as a terrorist. I agree that Hong Kong and other countries have it worse than in the U.S., but there are other countries in the world that have it better than the U.S., too, and I don't think it's so "laughable" to compare the United States to fascism when it has a cult of tradition, an eternal period of wartime (esp with the middle east conflicts), anti-intellectualism, as well as a history of xenophobia and racism that is still present to this day. Given how the country practically worships policemen and will often let them get away with anything without consequences, and how when Americans ask that cops to be held accountable, cops respond by beating them into submission, it very much feels like the country is a police state. People in Hong Kong are dying for their freedom, yes, but people in the United States of America are also being killed with impunity -being denied their dignity as human beings- and that deserves to be spoken out against, too.
@The Devastator Keep Politics Out of Tron? Tron was always about Politics; even the first one. If anything, politics are why I like Tron.
Paige knew what life she had even after she found out that she was lied to. Once she saw what was really going on, it shook her up a bit, but when she considered the alternative, she was contempt with what she had. Maybe it was because she was already in the higher ranks and she wanted to stay in the higher ranks, but she still had that feeling of "This is better." As well, the episode "Welcome Home" is supposed to connect us together, that we are all human beings, even if we don't agree with each other. The episode was meant to showcase how separated human beings and how far different our ideologies can stray from one another, but at the end of the day, we are more alike than we wish to admit. Paige, in the end, disagreed with Beck's philosophy, but consented he was still a human being who deserved to live and express himself.
You know why comparing the United States to Fascism is laughable? How are you able to upload your video to TH-cam? How are we able to have this Public conversation online? How are people able to literally protest every day of the year outside of the White House? Because the people have the freedom to do so. You know what Fascism is? Only being allowed to go on the internet certain times of the day, and the government regulating what sites you are allowed to go on. Fascism is the government regulating what you are allowed to say. Last I checked, the only time Donald Trump tried "Regulating" the internet was for less censorship, not more censorship. As someone who's family actually came from a Fascist country, and who still has friends in Fascist countries, I think a lot of people squander what they have in America and do not take advantage of what they have.
I mean, this video is clearly just thinly veiled propaganda for the author's political view point. You can really tell when a video is going to be bullshit when they use Umberto Eco as their authority on fascism, personally I bust a gut laughing when I see it.
Did they add a new feature to TH-cam to section parts of the video with titles?
Yes. It shows up if the creator of the video puts timestamps in the description.
AWESOME video! I, too hated that they killed off Cutler, after pulling a Lando Calrissian on him (by having him turn on Beck, like how Lando turned on Han Solo in Ep. 5), and how they killed off Abel. I also agree that the show should have explored the xenophobic aspects of Clu's occupation, especially the hell the ISOs were catching.
Awesome video man! I love this show and it's great to see that it still has passionate fans like yourself!
Everything was ok but the BLM stuff you dropped there dude like you seemed to be making self advertising with that... I find hard to believe that someone smart is capable of praising such non sense quote, there are no black lives, there are lives and there's no bad white or black people, just bad people and good people, get over the tags for them just serve to enclosure the points of view and create a deviant sense of justice. Race shouldn't matter for political and social aspects (mostly), one shouldn't pick a president just by his skin color for example and one shouldn't feel addressed for any aspect related to your race or color (if u know what I mean) at least when it comes to things like this
Congrats, you watched Tron and decided to be a minion for CLU and his fascist police state. I like how people like you love media that has political undertones (Star Wars, ATLA, Tron, etc) but in reality you throw away all the themes the story taught you to end up being a Stormtrooper or Fire Nation invader. In the future you will see how your ignorance is portrayed; like the complicit and supportive members of oppressive regimes like the Nazi party and the terrorism of the KKK.
@@slowcavalry you certainly are not talking about me isn't it? I mean if you read again how can I be the one following the media trendings? Or facist? Like I agree with everything you said, specially the fact that there's people who genuinely feel empowered based on their point of view of a movie or series (which I'm not saying it's not possible at all) but I don't see my comment matching that description, if anything I make myself clear, I find cringy and unsettling this BLM trend
@@LuxCirilo Advocating for black lives is not "cringe" its being a decent human being who cares for his fellow man. If you see BLM as preachy or annoying in some sense, you are in fact a racist.
@@slowcavalry ladies and gentleman this is exactly the kind of problem I've spoken of... what does it take to be labeled as a racist? Hate? Murder? Violence? Racism? NO all you have to do it's just not agree with those who feel in power to judge and punish so they can tag you as whatever they want and claim to be right about it because why not... certainly a true example of facism.
"Care for the fellow man"? So tell me does this _fellow man_ has a skin colour? Or a gender? A political, economical or religious stand? Or a nationality? Does these things make you care more or less for this so called _fellow man_ ? And you dare to say I'm the racist for not supporting a movement that is clearly determined to polarize every situation based on the colour of the skin? How do you call that? The definition of racism surely comes to mind
Don't play the fool cause I wrote my comment clearly for no one to confuse, I said there's no bad or good black/white people, there's bad and good people no matter the colour and justice should be for all (with all the good and bad things that implies), the fact that you dare to say that BLM is a good movement is falacy, what do you have to say about the unfair hate and violence promoted by this group towards inocent people? What do you call the hate and discrimination instigated towards some people just because they're white, or because they're cops or because they're wealthy? How do you call when you hate and prejudge someone just for the colour of their skin, their job or their wealth? I don't know you but that's not different from racism, you're putting the blame on innocent people, hating them and demanding for them to suffer or pay for something they have nothing to do... yes, tragedies happen and yes, sometimes there are culprits but these movement doesn't seem to stop there and it has become nothing but an excuse for those who seek hate and keep resentment thanks to what the media have thaught them to hate, just like they've done with you
Talk about the innocent store owners and employees that have suffered from this madness, talk about the inoccent cops that have been harassed and hated, talk about those inoccent white and even black people who have been labeled as evil just for being rich (smells like socialism/comunism) think about how this is bad for them , and this is supposed to be the "Care for the fellow man"? THEY are fellow man too and that's what I said before, there's no black or white lives there are lives and all lives matter, we cannot be divided against each other by prejudice. This reminds me of a black woman who said something like "when you see some cops doing bad things it's not hard to assume everyone are like that" that's how BLM thinks and if we followed that reasoning as an excuse then someone could also argue "when you see some black people commiting crimes it's not hard to assume everyone are like that" so following your reasoning no one would be a racist and those called bad cops or racist people wouldn't be racist at all cause they would just be doing what you're doing which is discrimination and prejudice... think about someone else besides yourself before following a movement, consider that not everything is just as you see it, other people have different stands, try to understand as much as you can and make sure that either the problem and the solution make sense... USA needs to be aware of this, they need to identify the real problem and accept that maybe it cannot be entirely fixed and not everyone could always be happy but at least people must try... otherwise they will remain stuck like this forever in a repetitive cycle of non sense hating and discrimination from everyone towards everyone... heck I'm starting to think this is something part of USA culture more than a problem, they've been going in circles with this for so long that it makes it look like that
@@LuxCirilo You earned my respect.
I though I was the only one who saw this show, good to know it hasn't be forgotten, you won't see shows like this now... world have lost values and as you said recent events prove it, I'd to see Tron revived but I doubt disney will do thag given that fact that every single thing produced now has to complain with the chinesse facist goverment regulations (ironically)
I love tron uprising it was such a amazing show and badass
So what's the big deal ?
I highly recommend the anime legend of the galactic heros. The hero is a historian and his ideals are solid. Btw he uses his mind to greater effect then any punch.
Naw, you’re reaching bud. It doesn’t need to focus on fascist xenophobia if that’s not where they wanted to go. That’s not a shortcoming, it’s just your view. Don’t liberalize it.
Liberalism is not leftism
Ooh these are some criticisms I haven't thought of before, really nice review!!
I remember i watch that cartoon of Tron on TV when i was a child :)
I really like this channel
yknow, most of your points on its shortcomings would be addressed if THERE WAS ANOTHER SEASON!
THANKS DISNEY, YOU BASTARDS!
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i totally agree with all the points made in this video. SPECIALLY the comment of how they treat their two black characters! i loved able and cutler, it was disappointing that they killed them off.. i love this franchise so much and tron uprising was criminally underrated, however, i do think that even if it wasnt meant to read this way, paiges story is very similar to how white people (specially kids) are radicalized by the alt right when theyre vulnerable. she lost her friends and home and was constantly manipulated by tesler into believing what is basically nazi propaganda just how now people are basically brainwashed by modern nazis even if its by meme formats and stupid tweets. i hope i make sense. i am not defending her actions, i just think that her story couldve been very interesting if the writers were meaning for it to be read that way
Don’t know anything about you or this series but yeah blue monday, have a like
I loved this show
Tron lives!
This show is: Anti-socialist, anti-progressivism, Conservative Libertarian
Victoria Piva yeah I like how you're putting it 🤔👍
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Based on the analysis of history. take a closer look...
The grid was created by Kevin Flynn to be a digital frontier. its inhabitants considered him a “god”.
All programs and isos follow a tradition of obeying "god" and his commandments. They lived in a utopia.
Until clu, an image and likeness of "god", broke the tradition and disobeyed god. He made a revolution and took possession of the grid. Then it clu “killed” its rightful owner Kevin Flynn (as it was seen in tron evolution). We can draw an analogy with the fall of the czar in the Russian revolution
During the government of clu everything went worse, because clu’s goverment is a centralized with the monopoly of the force and security. he invaded the properties of peaceful programs and took them, and censored freedom of speech with justification for protecting them.
Clu also persecute and killed almost all isos, in the opinion that they were a threat to national sovereignty. Does it remind you of something? No? ... maybe the genocide in Cambodia, the genocide in Ukraine or the fight between
Lenin and Trotsky. He also created a cult of his personality, represented by the color red (the same color as socialism). Programs that follow him don’t believe and oposse to users (or gods) and even persecute them and their supporters. They are against religion (but they worship the personality of the dictator) and against the "gods". Do the same way that communists persecute religious.
The clu government:
-It is not a cult of tradition
-A cult of harmful modernism
-A cult of pseudo-intellectualism
-A cult of pseudoscience
-A strong census of progressivism
- Pursuit of spirituality
-Worship of the state
- Centralized state
- Property invasion (aggression)
-Aversion to different opinions
-Aversion to decentralization
the same characteristics of socialist governments.
Beck is against clu’s goverment. He is against a cultural revolution. Many times he said “Before clu things were better”, and he also said “the State is the enemy”( a libertarian or anarchocaptalist frase).
Another interesting thing is that Beck didn’t destroy clu’s statue because clu was xenophobe or fascist. He destoyed it because tesler broke into his proprerty and because clu’s forces killed his friend, as Bodhi said “this is our field”.
@steelhound duncan if you didn´t notice ok. Just read back the caracteristics of clu's government
steelhound duncan
Actually ever socialists governments have these traits in some degree
@@victoriapiva3467 You're insane
Dang, that list just outlined the republican party to a tee. 😅
Loving that New Order in the background! Great analysis too!!
Being ANtifa makes you a true hero, wonder why so many in power irl are against them? It's liek they're the power hungry villains or something