Guitar Amp Capturing Tips With TONEX Capture
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Tonex Capture from IK Multimedia is here and I share tips on how to model your amp. I capture my Marshall JCM 900 and share the Tone Model with you.
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Tonex Capture changed the game for me. I'm a Tube Amp guy and I have a weird relationship with amp modelers. However, this technology has bridged the two concepts together for me and I share my experience with you. This is my first experience with an amp modeler and it's 2022! Tonex is the latest amp modeler software and hardware solution that brings guitar amp modeling to the masses. The guitar amp modeling software pairs with the Tonex Capture box or any reamping device you have to let you capture your amp and recall your favourite guitar tones any time you want. In this tonex capture review I share the process and my thoughts on this latest guitar amp technology. I compare the amp modeler vs real amp and share some tips to help you create some awesome tonex captures for yourself!
Check out my first impression of Tonex: • A Guitar Amp Ecosystem...
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Tone Model Name: Lonely Rocker JCM900 Mod50
ENJOY IT!!!
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Index
00:00 - Start
00:44 - Intro To Tonex Capture
03:01 - Tonex Capture Patching
04:57 - Capture Process
08:22 - Tonex vs. Real Amp
09:27 - More Capture Tips
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Great video!!!! Seriously good because you really spelled it for us with diagrams and is exactly my setup that I want to capture. Thank you so much!!
My pleasure! And thanks! So glad it helped you!
Great info! Glad you mentioned the load issue.
Thanks! Glad it helped!
Cool sounding capture. I couldn’t believe how close it was to the real thing. I have to say that I also prefer the real thing. Great explanation and video as always lonely rocker.
Thanks kind stranger 😂
Dude! That is a fantastic capture! I downloaded it and will have a lot of fun with it!
Thnx!!! Hope you enjoy it! 🎸🎸🎸
@@LonelyRocker I ended up downloading your JCM-800 patches too! I have a '78 2203 and it is spookily similar in sound to your patch. I did a couple of captures of mine but yours just "brings it" Also your "clean" profiles of the 900 and 800 respectively are fantastic and have just the right amount of Rock-N-Roll grit with my fat strat. Swith to the neck single and beautiful full but punchy clean. Thanks!
I'm so glad!!! I was wondering if anyone would find those useful. Thrilled you are having fun with them! I plan on adding more as I go from my amps and whenever I bring in an outside amp to feature on the channel. Lots more to come. Cheers!!!
Great playing in the intro.
Thanks so much!
Great Vid Dan ,for someone like me who is a relative newcomer to the world of guitars this is a fantastic tool allowing you to access amp tones that you may not be able to create yourself . A box that can do this for under £200 represents pretty good value for money IK Media should sell quite a few of these..
The availability of amps doesn’t seem so different from their previous versions of Amplitube. But the modelling aspect could be a Kemper killer and bring amp modelling to the masses. Clever move.
Wow Dan, fabulous guitar playing!!! The product looks good but I kept going back to your guitar playing at the start...I must get around to watching the whole video 😁
Thanks so much Dave! Been trying to play more guitar on the channel. You can replay it as many times as you like :))))))))
🤩🤘Lovely setup👍🤩
Thnx!
If you have a newer Nvidia graphics card you can do a default training in 3 minutes and an advanced in 20 minutes.
The difference is crazy. I’ve heard how GPUs play a role in the processing. Seems they haven’t optimized for M1 processing. I think that will improve in later versions. Hopefully!
Yeah I’ve got a pretty fast gaming computer and did the low res version. Took like 2 minutes. I just got it all and decided to just get the ball rolling by quickly cloning the channels on my Mesa TC50. Already impressed with that. So I can only imagine how advanced sounds! That’s my next step is to really take care in how I mic my amp next time and set up better isolation to cut back on reflections and really get a crisp capture. Considering what I got just tossing a couple mics in front of my amp though I’m pretty happy with it. I am kinda wondering what it’ll do if I ran a blend of amps though. IE two mics two amps.
Lots of fun experiments to try. Share your findings! Join my Facebook group and you’re welcome to share there. Link is in description.
I really appreciate all of the tips. I haven’t yet seen a video on capturing just a stomp box. Any key differences in that process? Thanks
My pleasure! I’m chewing on the idea of doing a stomp box capture video. Maybe!
@@LonelyRocker even if you don’t do a full video, a video of the key differences would be very much appreciated
Great video! Thanks a lot! I captured a Peavey head. After making the capture I can't find where this capture was saved on my computer. Could you help me by telling me where the captures we make are saved on our computer? thank you very much!
Thanks! The captures are saved within Tonex as far as I understand. They only work on the Tonex environment. You can transfer them to the Tonex pedal, use them in Tonex or Amplitube. But outside that there is no use for them other than sharing them to Tone.net.
Hi, i'm new to the world of capture,
I want to know, when doing a capture do i have to put everything( eq, gain, vol, presence, etc) at noon and setup them on the virtual capture amp after to compare??
Thanks
Hey there! When doing your captures you can actually do whatever you want. Ideally, if you want to capture snapshots of how your amp actually sounds, set all the dials the way you need to to get your tone. EQ, presence, everything. The dials on the Tone Model don't emulate your amp. They just give you extra adjustment. So feel free to make your adjustments and capture the best tones possible. Hope this helps!!
Hi, how do you capture the Amp + a load box like the Ox Box? I can’t get the routing right.
There is a diagram in the TONEX Capture Box Manual. Sometimes it's the routing with the interface that's an issue. I had problems with the Focusrite routing software. It can get confusing if its not working. Hard to diagnose from here but look at both the cabling and how the audio routing is set up in your interface. Good luck!
I can't get my brand new capture box to work. All I get is squealing feedback mixed with my Steinberg UR44C interface. It's so frustrating.
That's a routing issue with the interface.. I had that problem with my Focusrite. It's not an issue with TONEX....
Great demo and capture.
Just setting up my Tonex Capture and am struggling with the interface. Tried copying your settings from a screenshot but still no luck.
How did you set your up?
I’m using an 18i20
Thanks
I'm telling you, the Focusrite routing software is very confusing. I've had such trouble with it and others have said the same thing. As long as you are certain the Tonex Capture box is connected properly just cycle through the output presets in Focusrite Control. One of them should work. That's what I did. I think I used one of the "Channel Analogue" presets. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker thanks for getting back. I’ve sort of got it working now, just need to look at all the levels going in and out.
Tried my 1st capture of a Tiny Terror, waiting for it to finish Model Training 👍
@@duncancartledge1667 I am having the same problem can you tell me where you ended up setting your focusrite controls too? any help appreciated.
The line out/power out switch in case I am taking the signal from a reactive load box, should be treated as a line out output of the amp and set in power out or should I do it like you done in your setup by plugin the amp speaker out directly to the ToneX capture set as line out and from the tonex “to amp” connection i send it to my reactive load box?
Do it exactly as I described. The Line Out is a different thing all together.
@@LonelyRocker Thanks for the reply, Dan! Your tutorial was very useful!!
@@saccomarcelo My pleasure!! So glad it helped you. Cheers!
Has anybody else encountered gain mismatch from source rig vs capture? Seems like no matter what i do, my capture always needs to be gained up in order to match the source.
I find I need to notch it up a touch but nothing drastic.
Hello, could you help me with a question?
I have captured my amp and I want to save the file on my pc or on a flash drive, but it has been saved in Tonex as a tone model, not as a preset and I cannot export it. Could you tell me how I can export my own capture to my hard drive?
I would also like to know if there is a difference in capturing in Advanced mode or in Default mode
Hi There. The presets only work within TONEX. I believe all of the presets exist within some kind of master file but are not available outside of the app. You can't use them anywhere else so a standalone file would be useless to you. You can move presets between the app and the pedal and share them on Tone.net. The differences between Advanced and Default are in the fine details. In some cases you may not be able to notice the differences but Advanced just renders a more detailed model. It takes longer to make but is the highest quality capture TONEX can do. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker I already solved the export of the captures to the PC. It has to be possible, because there are people who take screenshots of their amps and then sell them on the internet, so it is possible to save the files on the hard drive. Thank you so much
@@keemarcello1000 ok great. Glad you solved it.
I have an orange ad30 and a 50w tube combo and I need a solution to attenuate the volume, to be able to overdrive them at home, could this be a good solution? Is -24db of attenuation enough? Or is it still always bound to the PC? I would like to understand if it can be compared to the UAD Ox Box or the Capture is just an extension of the Tonex plugin?
No, I wouldn't buy this for attenuation. That's not really what it does. You can buy a simple attenuator or check out the videos I've done on the Two Notes Captor X. That would be the ultimate solution: th-cam.com/video/5oiak6htymY/w-d-xo.html
@@LonelyRocker thanks! 🤟🏼
Hi Dan. im trying to capture a head only, just as you did. I have a Scarlett 4i4 gen3. I can't get it to work with tonex capture due to the focusrite control software. Im in the pulling my hair out stage. Can you explain your routing or share a screenshot?
Oh man. That control software. It’s horrible! I stopped using the Focusrite for capturing because it was way too problematic. What I used to do was cycle through the presets until one worked. I think there was one called “direct” or something? It’s not hooked up right now so I can’t even check but that’s basically how I did it. If I get it hooked up again I’ll try and do a refresh to see if I can figure it out.
@LonelyRocker that ended up working. Makes no sense to me why it did vs my custom routing that I set up, but a win's a win! Thanks!
@LonelyRocker also, this may be a stupid question, but once the capture portion is complete, can you cut the amp off? Or do you have to leave it on for the duration of the training?
Hey LR, how would rate the quality of sound from the TONEX capture box in comparison to the other brands? (radial, palmer, two notes, etc.) thanks.
Well I haven’t used other capture boxes but I can say captures sound VERY close to my real amps. And the box is really solid. Very well made. So I
do recommend it.
Thanks for your response. Reamp boxes aren't cheap nowadays so I'm debating between several brand names. This one, Radial JCR, Radial xamp, palmer.....
The Capture is good value for the money and serves double duty well if you are using TONEX.
I just turn my old DI box around to reamp. Haven’t looked too hard into what a specifically reamp box does other than do what a DI box does in reverse 🤷🏻♂️.
When you feed a signal back to the amp it has to be passive and mimic the level of a guitar signal. So reamp boxes make it brainless. If your method works and you can control the level properly back to your amp, your good!
@@LonelyRocker what you described a DI box does in reverse. So that’s why I turned it around. It converts instrument level to Line level. So logic dictates if you use it in reverse it does what you just said. I did buy a reamp box since I posted this comment but, haven’t tried it yet. I did some reading and decided the reamp box was probably more optimal.
Can I use the UAD OX with the Tonex modeling software?
I don't have the OX...does it have a re-amping feature?
@@LonelyRocker yes it does
@@oldknee Then it should work....
Comparing with my kemper, ToneX definitely got the edge. Finally a kemper killer, 12 years after, thanks to neural network and artificial intelligence!! Love it! Kemper on the go, will buy a new iPad Pro instead :)
It’s amazing how much it’s getting better. This is really he first time I took notice for real. Fun stuff.
kemper killer jajajajajajajaja
Does anyone know how I can capture Kemper profiles with the Tonex?
I've never used a Kemper but try wiring it up like a DI'd amp. The Tonex Capture Box has a line out setting. Wonder if that would do the trick. Seems weird though to capture a model but you never know!
Thank you I’ll try it. For me the Tonex is a convenient size and it means I can put it on a pedalboard and make a fly rig without having to take my kemper. I just really like my kemper profiles as they are. Thanks again
My pleasure!! Tonex comes with a TON of models. You might be surprised. But let me know how it works out. I'm very curious...
It works, I managed to capture my kemper! I have captured a few kemper profiles - they all sound the same as the kemper, just need a bit of EQ tweaking which is nothing unusual. I’ve noticed all the captures are a bit more gainy than their counterparts, but this seems to be something others people have mentioned when capturing so I guess I just really need to look at input trims and perhaps lower them a little. I love some of the Tonex captures, I just have some absolute favourites on my kemper that I’ve used for so long and have just become part of me haha! Thanks man ✌️
So when I’m capturing a clean style kemper amp with my Tonex, the input is quite distorted? The return input trim is very low yet it still sounds gainy even tho it’s a clean amp sound? I have the input trims super low but it’s still happening. Did you experience this when listening back? Ty ✌️
In your explanation of routing, I see where everything is being plugged in except for one thing....your guitar. The TONEX instructions (and your screenshot of your TONEX software routing at 5:57) show the guitar plugged into Input 1.....yet your explanation at 3:47 shows the TONEX XLR Line Out going into Input 1....please clarify. Thanks!!!
It doesn't matter which inputs on your interface. Your guitar plugs into the interface via an instrument input and the return from the amp goes to your interface via a line input. Just specify in the Tonex setup which one is which and you will be good to go. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker Are the outputs of BOTH the guitar interface input AND the TONEX XLR Line Out (fed into interface input) routed to the TONEX Line Input....?? Or just the guitar...?? If only the guitar, where should the output of the TONEX XLR Line Out return be routed...?? Thanks again...!! Trying to wrap my head around all of this.
@@acadian21 There's only one audio interface in this setup. The guitar plugs into one input on your audio interface. The output of your interface goes to the input on the Tonex box and the output of the Tonex box goes back to another input on your audio interface.
@@LonelyRocker Correct.....and where is the output of this second input routed to...?? Thanks!!!
having the same issue/question. I can't get this thing to work for the life of me. I have been an engineer for 20 plus years and I am stumped
The Tonex "Capture" box is pretty pricy - does anyone have experience with an alternative that can get the job done?
Actually if you compare it to other decent reamping boxes it’s competitively priced. Remember this is a DI and reamping box rolled into one device. ART makes the cheapest reamping box that I know of but I have never used it.
You can use any passive DI. Just run the signal backwards (you'll need a TRS to female XLR adapter cable). Use the monitor out of your sound card as the send so you can use the volume knob to trim the level. That's what I do. Works great. Cost maybe $30 total. If you're getting a lot of humming and buzzing, use one of those three to two prong plug adapters to lift the ground.
@@joeMW284 Excellent ! THANKS.
Focusrite control is a disaster for me. It is so unintuitive for routing!! 😫
I'm with you!!! I HATE it!!!!!!
I love ur shit
Thnx so much 😎
Took you 5 hrs to capture on advanced dang!! Only takes me at most 30min
Yeah, on Mac it apparently utilizes the GPU to render Tone Models and they haven't figure out how to speed it up. Really hoping we see a fix for that!!
I use a Mac book air with m2 chip🤣
Man, these Apple silicon Macs are terrible at this. My old 2nd gen i7 PC with an NVidia GTX 970 processes a fast capture in under 3 minutes, default was around 9, advanced was just under 20 minutes. When the process is running it's working the GPU hard. Apple really should step up their GPU game because this kind of parallel processing seems to be becoming more common.
Yeah. There is something going on with how TONEX is utilizing the gpu on new Macs. Advanced takes hours! Hoping that gets addressed soon.