Lacks a little presence on the profile, if you can ad it, it's the same. But the question it's : how does it feel when playing ? Do you feel a big difference in dynamics and sensitivity ?
Hey Ola - regarding the time to create the captures it is relative to what hardware you using to do it - your computer and it’s graphics card apparently - Jason Sadites swapped graphics cards on his machine to an nvidia specified and cut the capture times down to sub 10 minutes for the fast and normal and I believe 27 mins for the advanced super macho capture - I assume you were using your laptop - sounds like for faster captures you need a beefier computer rig. Probably makes sense if your doing a ton of captures for resale online or something.
I have a bunch of great amps in my home studio and got really excited when the new tone x came out with the ability to capture my own amps. The very first time I tried it was with my own radial reamp box out of my interface and I was modeling my Marshall slp 100 with a 4x12 Marshall cab filled with g12h celestions and a royer 121 mic. I went through the entire capture process and chose the "regular" training time. The end result sounded really good but it sounded like my plexi with a pillow over the speaker cab. I then purchased the tone x box itself and ran through the process again using the tone x box to do the re amping work and the box made it sound a touch better but again it lacked the high end clarity of my actual amp mic'ed up. I then starting experimenting around, ditched the ribbon mics and used an sm57 on my Marshall jcm900 and whammmmm. The final capture sounded absolutely identical to my mic'ed up amp. I mean identical and this was using the normal training time. I found the longest training time to only take 1 hour on my iMac but didnt noticed enough of a difference in the final captures over the 23 minutes the "regular" training time took. The key seems to be using a mic that isn't overly dark in the first place. When using the sm57, the average frequency response seems to allow the capture to process in a way that doesn't allow it to become to boomy or filled with low end. I went back and tried my plexi with the royer 121/sm57 combo and leaned the capture mix of the two mics towards the 57 and whammm, the plexi sounded spot on to my mic'ed up tracks going straight into the interface. I now am truly impressed with the tone x capturing. The very best results are making sure you have good high end on the amp settings itself. Meaning, my plexi, tends to be shrill in the high end if I don't back the treble off while playing but when capturing the amp, be sure to allow plenty of this high end through so it can capture the most honest all around tone for your final capture. Just my 2 cents to help others!
it's amazing the fact that +10 years after the kemper release we still comparing the tone cloning capabilities vs. him .I mean,10 years it's a lot in terms of technology advances
Ahhhm I don't think the kemper is nothing special in terms of technology, its brilliance is that it is efficient for the hardware and it established a different mode of working and sharing sound. However it has a lot of sound flaws IF you care so much about that. I mean some of the stuff that bug me from the kemper other types of players (metal vs fusion vs blues etc) would disregard, won't notice or even come in contact with. And in the mix is good enough for many top producers. But this IK multimedia absolutely wins on cost, performance and the ability to just fucking plug it in a daw.
I never liked the kemper. When working as FOH mixer, many guitar guys comming at concerts with that box and always sounding fake in a live situation. It was funny hearing them "but that was the vintage Marshloow model made by Merschuga's guitarrist... it can't be bad". LoL
Being that accurate translating the rig tone I believe it is worth the wait on the processing time. Better to spend some extra time getting the perfect tone before and doing the job just once. Great review btw. Thanks!
In machine learning longer training time doesn't essentially mean a better model (over fitting, less generalisation). I wonder how exactly this was optimized here...
@@CraftingCake Hi. I understand it could be not proportionally better, but shouldn't it be better? You mean then that a longer training time could result in zero improvement or worse, a negative improvement?? I'm not into machine learning, but made my comment based purely on common sense
Yes after one week of testing and comparing with the kemper, ToneX is clearly better. Love adding some balls to my chugs with the depth knob!!! It’s simply very accurate. Now I hope kemper will release a software to make the same and make better high gain profiles.
@@robertmazurowski5974 huh interesting. Are you sure you aren't imagining this because of some sort of bias? I mean, would you be able to tell apart a capture and a real amp in a blind test? I don't think I would.
Thank you for being the first video on TH-cam not to lose their mind about ToneX & overlooking things & couldn’t wait to make headlines to rip on kemper & users for even having one lol. Always appreciate & learn a lot from your videos man! I’m stoked for my ToneX & love my Kemper regardless 🤘
Awesome bro! Just got this for my birthday! Haven't started playing much with it yet but it is looking real promising! The tone control, body, and reactivity to this thing is remarkable. Using it alongside Amplitube I image will open entirely new doors!
So much sound, so little gear. It's hard to lose. There's so many amp sims and multi-effects pedals today that one can question the need of traditional amps and cabinets. The only thing with IK multimedia is that they offer so much you can get option paralysis. Play with purpose. Great video. Thanks.
Speaker membrane, impedance, size; Equalizer on a broad range of bands; Pickup Coil output; Strings alloy. That's all you have to worry about when it comes to the tone. From my experimentation it's more about the eq.
I thought it sounded great for the first release of this idea for the general public, I'm sure they will have big updates in the future. Very neat idea I could picture myself playing around with this thing forever, like I would a new video game becoming a tweak junky and never seeing the outside world ever again.. ..ever ..ever again... ✌
For the true experimenters out there, check out Guitar ML's Proteus capture based on Alex Wright's Automated-GuitarAmpModelling machine learning project. Same idea using AI to learn how to model distortion and compression of Guitar amps and pedals (no time based effects though). Free and open source plugins using Python and the JUCE audio processing framework....but you don't have to be a programmer to play with it.
It uses GPU processing power to model tones, so you need something like an NVIDIA graphic card. It will shorten dramatically the processing time. Like 40 minutes instead of 5 hours for the advanced mode. Fast mode would only take a minute.
Hey Ola. I wish you would do a video on the factory tones that chug. Yeah, other videos do that, but we have to sit through all the stuff we don't want to hear. When it comes to "will it chug" ..you are the go-to man. When we click on your "Will It Chug" videos, we know that's all we're going to get, a tutorial demonstration on _...."Will it chug-ug-ug-ug?"_
Captures are way quicker if you have an Nvidia GPU (yes it can use the graphics card to process). I'm hoping they add Radeon support or at least let you queue model creation. I've bought it but its too slow with ny current PC, it barely integrates with amplitube and the process of downloading others models via a webpage sucks badly (though the ability to swap the captured cab for at5's IR's is impressive). There's promise but I'm setting it aside for a few patch versions.
Just FYI guys, if you have an NVIDIA video card, (more vram the better) it will process even the advanced so much faster. I have a 1060 few with 6gb of VRAM, 16g of RAM, i510k and I can do 'advanced' training processes in a little over 30 min, regular on like 15min. Oh and BTW, it HAS to be NVIDIA, apparently the ai uses Cuda cores.
Hi guys, if there are some nerds who would like to know more about this kind of amp "modelling" I posted a few links in my community section. This technology is quite interessting overall. As a physicist to earn a living we use deep learning in a radiotherapie department to contour the organs at risk in the CT scans.
Well the profile sounded darker, less definition in the lows but was a good copy. I read hear and there that it gives better result by profiling only the amp out , no miking then go with an IR. Thats just for now, its still kinda beta version. Gotta try your profile asap.
Ik Multimedia recommends Nvidia GT Seiries for videocard..I just did adavanced capture and training only took 35 minutes. My system is based on an intel i9-9900 chip with 32 gigs of ram and grapics card is a Nvidia GT1650 .
Hey ola I'm watching your tonex video and I just heard the new Lamb Of God song to the Grave I was hoping you could talk more about the album if there's anything worth talking about, love your show and can't wait for your new guitar to come out
Hey ola im testing the plugin, but if im playing i get every time a weird backing sound every 10sec how can i get turn it off? Do i need to change somthing on my interface or in tonex? Thx!
So now that you have it, can we expect that you will capture some more of your rigs and sell them? Maybe your Marshall or your Engl? Or even some 5150- style amp with an HM2?
Someone should do Ampeg VH140C now. That amp shoulda been emulated long ago for all the fans of old school death metal and solid state amps in general.
Look up the misanthrope pedal. Theres a competitor to it too I forgot the name but you can just buy the preamp for the ampeg in pedal form. Those amps are coming back in popularity and actually not cheap right now
Before I buy this thing I have to know if it can go direct to a PA. I know it says it can do that in the user manual but it also says that the output is unbalanced. Do I need DI box after it before going to the PA?
IMO the amp sounds like a amp and the model sounds like a model of the amp if that makes sense 🤷 Reminds me of the time I wanted some Air Jordan's but settled for Air Gordon's, kinda the same but not really 😂 I'm just never satisfied with modeling.
Some people say, Neural DSP take too much for each plugin, wich is very similar to another, just a few tweaks und features here and there. Maybe this might be true, but i think to have all the options, wich are literally endless here, i might become blind (or deaf) for right tone. A Neural, you get the deal, this is it, like it or not. And you know all your options someday, you know your master breaks up at 6 o'clock and your OD reacts like it should. What I try to say is, to become creative is better to work with lesser but well known tools. I think Neural nails that. Every other brand has these endless pool of user-shit wich you have to dive for a few gems to find. I don't know the Quad-Cortex. I just speaking of Neural Plugins
The section where it "refines" the sounds after capturing it (f.ex. the 5hrs), will it send additional test signals to the amp? Or is it like an AI refining the sound in the background?
The Tonex isn't *bad*, it's just that I find most plugins don't FEEL alive enough. They sound great, and you can totally dial them in after the fact, but for me, they don't have the same energy and excitement as the proper rigs do. They're ALL- ALWAYS a bit watered down. I also say this as a fella that doesn't currently own a live rig. I'm ALL Neural DSP.
I have an orange ad30 and a 50w tube combo and I need a solution to attenuate the volume, to be able to overdrive them at home, could this be a good solution? Is -24db of attenuation enough? Or is it still always bound to the PC? I would like to understand if it can be compared to the UAD Ox Box or the Capture is just an extension of the Tonex plugin?
It sounds noticeably different to me, the real one sounds more present, like it's in the room with you, the toneX sounds sort of like an mp3 of the real rig. I would like to hear the really long capture version, maybe it would sound better.
Just less treble, my dude. Human brain interprets sounds with more high frequency content as louder. Pretty sure the long capture would sound identical.
@@Admiral_Bongo Maybe? It didn't seem to be a louder quieter thing, more a resolution thing, like an mp3 vs. a wav etc. Probably the long capture would be better.
@@JoshuaLTRyan Nah, the plugin always uses the host bit depth and sample rate. And if it was something like that, the difference would be nuked by the TH-cam compression algorithm. The amount of high frequencies is what makes stuff sound more "open" or "present", that's mixing basics. The thing is, the short capture probably gave an inaccurate EQ curve.
Positiv Grid did it many years bevor. So if you have BIAS Amp, you can to it also incl. network community with amp matches (what be can also rigs, pedals,…). So nothing new.
All this electronic stuff has it's place,gives ample variations,and recording and so on. But,if you use several amp/cabs, will you be able to play live and be able to recreate those several variations live? I'm a drummer,but love guitar,and I'm an old fart,I love guitar/effects straight to amp and mic,just old school way for my liking,but if you can recreate yoy sound in a live setting,then hell yeah.
I think it does as good a job as any other software model. They all sound more dead than the real thing because it's still impossible to model and copy all the things that go on in upper-order harmonics and compression dynamics across the full guitar frequency spectrum. They can mimic clipping and EQ which gets you in the ballpark, but it isn't in any way equal to tube amps still in 2022. I remember back in like 2015, someone arguing with me on Reddit that in the next few years these modeled amps would be indistinguishable. Surprise, it's now 2022 and they aren't. It's still like movie CGI. Yeah, it is good enough to not laugh at, but no one is confused about whether or not the Incredible Hulk was CGI or real. Usable, but pinched and dead sounding compared to a real tube amp. The same as it was 10 years ago.
SEEMS LIKE SOME HIGHS WERE CUT IN THE TONE MODEL. NOT SURE IF ITS LINKED TO VOLUME BUT PERHAPS THE OTHER IN BETWEEN CAPTURE TIME WOULD GET IT CLOSER. BUT FOR THE MONEY NOTHING CAN COME CLOSE TO IT.
I kinda don't see the point in this. Even if you have your "favourite sounding amp" there are effectively infinite different tones so there is always a better sound out there. If you're going to go to the effort of capturing your rig to get something close you may as well just play with a plugin and dial in "another favourite sound". It doesn't take very long to mess around with Guitar Rig or whatever and find something that sounds better than what I was just using. And if you really have to have your special sound then just record the actual rig, in the end it won't matter because after recording it'll play through different headphones/speakers/environment and sound totally different anyway.
What do you guys think? Disregarding the change in level how do they compare? Also the Capture is available in Tonex now.
The Fast capture was definitely underwhelming... I'm curious about the 5 hour version though
Option paralysis
Lacks a little presence on the profile, if you can ad it, it's the same. But the question it's : how does it feel when playing ? Do you feel a big difference in dynamics and sensitivity ?
@@Fanafranky Same. Not that I don't trust Ola but I'd really like to hear the difference.
Hey Ola - regarding the time to create the captures it is relative to what hardware you using to do it - your computer and it’s graphics card apparently - Jason Sadites swapped graphics cards on his machine to an nvidia specified and cut the capture times down to sub 10 minutes for the fast and normal and I believe 27 mins for the advanced super macho capture - I assume you were using your laptop - sounds like for faster captures you need a beefier computer rig. Probably makes sense if your doing a ton of captures for resale online or something.
I have a bunch of great amps in my home studio and got really excited when the new tone x came out with the ability to capture my own amps. The very first time I tried it was with my own radial reamp box out of my interface and I was modeling my Marshall slp 100 with a 4x12 Marshall cab filled with g12h celestions and a royer 121 mic. I went through the entire capture process and chose the "regular" training time. The end result sounded really good but it sounded like my plexi with a pillow over the speaker cab. I then purchased the tone x box itself and ran through the process again using the tone x box to do the re amping work and the box made it sound a touch better but again it lacked the high end clarity of my actual amp mic'ed up. I then starting experimenting around, ditched the ribbon mics and used an sm57 on my Marshall jcm900 and whammmmm. The final capture sounded absolutely identical to my mic'ed up amp. I mean identical and this was using the normal training time. I found the longest training time to only take 1 hour on my iMac but didnt noticed enough of a difference in the final captures over the 23 minutes the "regular" training time took. The key seems to be using a mic that isn't overly dark in the first place. When using the sm57, the average frequency response seems to allow the capture to process in a way that doesn't allow it to become to boomy or filled with low end. I went back and tried my plexi with the royer 121/sm57 combo and leaned the capture mix of the two mics towards the 57 and whammm, the plexi sounded spot on to my mic'ed up tracks going straight into the interface. I now am truly impressed with the tone x capturing. The very best results are making sure you have good high end on the amp settings itself. Meaning, my plexi, tends to be shrill in the high end if I don't back the treble off while playing but when capturing the amp, be sure to allow plenty of this high end through so it can capture the most honest all around tone for your final capture. Just my 2 cents to help others!
very good informative post. thanks!
This is good info. Thank you
There's a reason the SM57/58 have been industry standards since the dawn of time. Great reply, thanks for the info!
Thanks for the info. Will def save me time when I start capturing my stuff.
it's amazing the fact that +10 years after the kemper release we still comparing the tone cloning capabilities vs. him .I mean,10 years it's a lot in terms of technology advances
Yeah and kemper still does it better i am afraid
Kemper is the GOAT to be beaten
@@karolkozak64 Nope lost in low and hi gain comparisons for some time.
Ahhhm I don't think the kemper is nothing special in terms of technology, its brilliance is that it is efficient for the hardware and it established a different mode of working and sharing sound. However it has a lot of sound flaws IF you care so much about that. I mean some of the stuff that bug me from the kemper other types of players (metal vs fusion vs blues etc) would disregard, won't notice or even come in contact with. And in the mix is good enough for many top producers. But this IK multimedia absolutely wins on cost, performance and the ability to just fucking plug it in a daw.
I never liked the kemper. When working as FOH mixer, many guitar guys comming at concerts with that box and always sounding fake in a live situation. It was funny hearing them "but that was the vintage Marshloow model made by Merschuga's guitarrist... it can't be bad". LoL
Being that accurate translating the rig tone I believe it is worth the wait on the processing time. Better to spend some extra time getting the perfect tone before and doing the job just once. Great review btw. Thanks!
In machine learning longer training time doesn't essentially mean a better model (over fitting, less generalisation).
I wonder how exactly this was optimized here...
@@CraftingCake Hi. I understand it could be not proportionally better, but shouldn't it be better? You mean then that a longer training time could result in zero improvement or worse, a negative improvement?? I'm not into machine learning, but made my comment based purely on common sense
Yes after one week of testing and comparing with the kemper, ToneX is clearly better. Love adding some balls to my chugs with the depth knob!!! It’s simply very accurate. Now I hope kemper will release a software to make the same and make better high gain profiles.
To me it sounded boxier, darker than the real thing. I would love to hear the 5 hour capture compared to the real amp
I feel this is a desperate attempt to appeal to what you prefer. They sound nearly the same, I'd argue the capture has better tone lol
@@jmike2039 It has better tone, but it is more static.
@@robertmazurowski5974 what do you mean by static?
It is hard to describe. It is less open and sounds a little bit direct. (Layer on top of direct sound).
@@robertmazurowski5974 huh interesting.
Are you sure you aren't imagining this because of some sort of bias? I mean, would you be able to tell apart a capture and a real amp in a blind test? I don't think I would.
Nice program overall, that's pretty exciting! great vid ola, killin' it as always!
Thank you for being the first video on TH-cam not to lose their mind about ToneX & overlooking things & couldn’t wait to make headlines to rip on kemper & users for even having one lol.
Always appreciate & learn a lot from your videos man! I’m stoked for my ToneX & love my Kemper regardless 🤘
Ha! I've been waiting for this since you been born! Thanks!
It would be interesting to compare the eq profiles of the model vs original sound, and how they differ depending on the training time
Awesome bro! Just got this for my birthday! Haven't started playing much with it yet but it is looking real promising! The tone control, body, and reactivity to this thing is remarkable. Using it alongside Amplitube I image will open entirely new doors!
So much sound, so little gear. It's hard to lose. There's so many amp sims and multi-effects pedals today that one can question the need of traditional amps and cabinets. The only thing with IK multimedia is that they offer so much you can get option paralysis. Play with purpose. Great video. Thanks.
Speaker membrane, impedance, size;
Equalizer on a broad range of bands;
Pickup Coil output;
Strings alloy.
That's all you have to worry about when it comes to the tone. From my experimentation it's more about the eq.
I thought it sounded great for the first release of this idea for the general public, I'm sure they will have big updates in the future. Very neat idea I could picture myself playing around with this thing forever, like I would a new video game becoming a tweak junky and never seeing the outside world ever again.. ..ever ..ever again... ✌
It's all fun and games until ToneNet becomes self aware..............
And then it creates a brand new hi gain digital sim to conquer all vst amp sims. 🙃🙃
Self aware? Didn't get it?
@@mylogify A Terminator reference ;)
@@dustinsmith8658 How?
@@shaharbar Which Terminator scene haha?
"I'm not gonna wait for 5 hours for a new profile, ya know?"
Me remembering taking plane trips just to visit a vintage amp seller.
The one video I was waiting for! Awesome review as always!
I love your honesty. Five effing hours!! TONEX... Potential
For the true experimenters out there, check out Guitar ML's Proteus capture based on Alex Wright's
Automated-GuitarAmpModelling machine learning project. Same idea using AI to learn how to model distortion and compression of Guitar amps and pedals (no time based effects though). Free and open source plugins using Python and the JUCE audio processing framework....but you don't have to be a programmer to play with it.
Now I wanna hear the 5 hour model
I have no idea what's going on but I love it.
The real thing is more alive and just bigger sounding, more bass, more tones!
It uses GPU processing power to model tones, so you need something like an NVIDIA graphic card. It will shorten dramatically the processing time. Like 40 minutes instead of 5 hours for the advanced mode. Fast mode would only take a minute.
I literally just looked up portable amp capture yesterday and found this. Ola knows the algorithm better than Google.
Hey Ola. I wish you would do a video on the factory tones that chug. Yeah, other videos do that, but we have to sit through all the stuff we don't want to hear. When it comes to "will it chug" ..you are the go-to man. When we click on your "Will It Chug" videos, we know that's all we're going to get, a tutorial demonstration on _...."Will it chug-ug-ug-ug?"_
eh? The guitar goes in the hole ? Ola you seem frustrated 🥴 and this is a no go for me , I will hold onto my amps and quad cortex
Interesting. The capture isn't identical but very close. The real rig has an openness / richness to it that the capture doesn't have.
Now that they release the ToneX Pedal, please please, make a proper TubeScreamer-Badlander-MesaOversized4x12 profile.
Captures are way quicker if you have an Nvidia GPU (yes it can use the graphics card to process). I'm hoping they add Radeon support or at least let you queue model creation.
I've bought it but its too slow with ny current PC, it barely integrates with amplitube and the process of downloading others models via a webpage sucks badly (though the ability to swap the captured cab for at5's IR's is impressive). There's promise but I'm setting it aside for a few patch versions.
Don't hold your breath on Radeon support. AMD isn't even worth mentioning when it comes to AI, CUDA is the uncontested king of machine learning.
@@17Codiferus Yeah my PC is due for an upgrade and this might swing me toward nvidia (depending how greedy they get)
The Fast capture has high-mid and high details missing. I'd love to hear the advanced capture.
I've been asking for ages about some VST Kemper profile player and I glad competitors picked up the idea that was in the air
“Ah it hertz” -the correct response to a frequency sweep hitting your ears
Hey Happy Belated Birthday Ola! Hope it was awesome.
Dude no I already have an unhealthy addiction to buying plugins. Im gonna need a sponsor soon.
Almost a good a question as 'Will IK ever stop sending me 5 emails a day about this?'
Just FYI guys, if you have an NVIDIA video card, (more vram the better) it will process even the advanced so much faster. I have a 1060 few with 6gb of VRAM, 16g of RAM, i510k and I can do 'advanced' training processes in a little over 30 min, regular on like 15min.
Oh and BTW, it HAS to be NVIDIA, apparently the ai uses Cuda cores.
This is like social media for Amps.
Ola you need to find this Paul Steven Cocks fella and tell him you tried his tone..
"Let's just push NEXT!"
I'm getting this thing, really awesome product
That is really impressive, I’ve liked IK, although their software has always seemed bloated. But this looks pretty interesting.
that's fair. they have like 7 different JCM800's by themselves. maybe 4 Rectifiers. it really gives one choice anxiety.
Hi guys, if there are some nerds who would like to know more about this kind of amp "modelling" I posted a few links in my community section.
This technology is quite interessting overall. As a physicist to earn a living we use deep learning in a radiotherapie department to contour the organs at risk in the CT scans.
Besides: Thank you, Ola for your presentation. Very cool!
Hi Ola, please try new Mercuriall Dual Rectofire plugin, it seems like the best rectifier modeler. It would be very interesting to know your opinion
Just before this video downloded a free version ov this vts. So thanks for the great video. Be safe and skilful. Pinge
Please Ola make a Century 200 patch for us mere mortals!
Did I miss something? What's the name of the capture in ToneNet? I can't find it...🤷🏻♂
impressive ! nice demo
Well the profile sounded darker, less definition in the lows but was a good copy.
I read hear and there that it gives better result by profiling only the amp out , no miking then go with an IR. Thats just for now, its still kinda beta version.
Gotta try your profile asap.
the GE300 has an excellent tone capture process and can capture pedals, amps and guitars.
Mooer is crap that won't last 3 winters. Enjoy it while it still works. With Tonex, you can at least get a new laptop.
Maybe I'll double the possible question but... the time of "Accuracy Level" depends on the PC computing power ? or it's done "somewhere" else.
Of course it sounded good
Ik Multimedia recommends Nvidia GT Seiries for videocard..I just did adavanced capture and training only took 35 minutes. My system is based on an intel i9-9900 chip with 32 gigs of ram and grapics card is a Nvidia GT1650 .
Ola the capturer. Need to check this Tonex out.
It's finally out!!
Whole new series... "Will it Capture?"
Hey ola I'm watching your tonex video and I just heard the new Lamb Of God song to the Grave I was hoping you could talk more about the album if there's anything worth talking about, love your show and can't wait for your new guitar to come out
way to make us better ir's too
They should make an option to go with the fast setting and then letting the advanced setting render overnight.
What is with Ge-Laps from Mooer? I think it's cooler and sounds better.
Great video.
Have I to use tonex reamp box only or can I use another reamp box? Or a DI box in reverse?
Hey ola im testing the plugin, but if im playing i get every time a weird backing sound every 10sec how can i get turn it off? Do i need to change somthing on my interface or in tonex? Thx!
Eso es muy chingon!! 💪🏽
at 13:45.....oh shhhhhhiiiiittttt
Awesome
So now that you have it, can we expect that you will capture some more of your rigs and sell them? Maybe
your Marshall or your Engl? Or even some 5150- style amp with an HM2?
You need a good GPU to do the advanced models. Can render the full advanced captures on my 30 series NVIDIA card in 20-30 minutes
I can’t believe he missed the paulstevenscox joke.
Ola Englund the Swede, how do you keep your studio so clean? I don’t ever see dust anywhere!
Someone should do Ampeg VH140C now. That amp shoulda been emulated long ago for all the fans of old school death metal and solid state amps in general.
Look up the misanthrope pedal. Theres a competitor to it too I forgot the name but you can just buy the preamp for the ampeg in pedal form. Those amps are coming back in popularity and actually not cheap right now
@@preston2636 I know about them, though, AFAIK, Misanthrope is a bit inconsistent.
I think it's super cool ..
Damn i need to learn guitar first hehe . Chug Life Baby !!
It's pretty close but it has some weird strange overtone especially up high on the model.
Before I buy this thing I have to know if it can go direct to a PA. I know it says it can do that in the user manual but it also says that the output is unbalanced. Do I need DI box after it before going to the PA?
To clarify, I'm asking about the Tonex Pedal
IMO the amp sounds like a amp and the model sounds like a model of the amp if that makes sense 🤷 Reminds me of the time I wanted some Air Jordan's but settled for Air Gordon's, kinda the same but not really 😂 I'm just never satisfied with modeling.
Some people say, Neural DSP take too much for each plugin, wich is very similar to another, just a few tweaks und features here and there. Maybe this might be true, but i think to have all the options, wich are literally endless here, i might become blind (or deaf) for right tone. A Neural, you get the deal, this is it, like it or not. And you know all your options someday, you know your master breaks up at 6 o'clock and your OD reacts like it should. What I try to say is, to become creative is better to work with lesser but well known tools. I think Neural nails that. Every other brand has these endless pool of user-shit wich you have to dive for a few gems to find. I don't know the Quad-Cortex. I just speaking of Neural Plugins
The section where it "refines" the sounds after capturing it (f.ex. the 5hrs), will it send additional test signals to the amp? Or is it like an AI refining the sound in the background?
Ola you should make a video trying to put together a setup that chugs for as little money as possible, simply because I love chug and I'm poor.
Can you capture just the amp so you can use different IR's later?
Yep
The Tonex isn't *bad*, it's just that I find most plugins don't FEEL alive enough. They sound great, and you can totally dial them in after the fact, but for me, they don't have the same energy and excitement as the proper rigs do.
They're ALL- ALWAYS a bit watered down. I also say this as a fella that doesn't currently own a live rig. I'm ALL Neural DSP.
Its pretty f***kin close. Probably wouldnt hear a diff in a mix - add a little eq and nobody would i guess.
I have an orange ad30 and a 50w tube combo and I need a solution to attenuate the volume, to be able to overdrive them at home, could this be a good solution? Is -24db of attenuation enough? Or is it still always bound to the PC? I would like to understand if it can be compared to the UAD Ox Box or the Capture is just an extension of the Tonex plugin?
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Biggest concern is will it capture a early morning fart? That’s the only way to get that brown sound
Should have done advanced. Always go for the best.
What happened to the top end when switching?
If you were to use only stock amps or those downloaded from tone net, which product would be better, tonex or amphub by stl tone?
U can try both they got trials
tonex se or tone x max?
So, I’d imagine that tones can be shared between users?
It sounds noticeably different to me, the real one sounds more present, like it's in the room with you, the toneX sounds sort of like an mp3 of the real rig. I would like to hear the really long capture version, maybe it would sound better.
Just less treble, my dude. Human brain interprets sounds with more high frequency content as louder. Pretty sure the long capture would sound identical.
@@Admiral_Bongo Maybe? It didn't seem to be a louder quieter thing, more a resolution thing, like an mp3 vs. a wav etc. Probably the long capture would be better.
@@JoshuaLTRyan Nah, the plugin always uses the host bit depth and sample rate. And if it was something like that, the difference would be nuked by the TH-cam compression algorithm. The amount of high frequencies is what makes stuff sound more "open" or "present", that's mixing basics. The thing is, the short capture probably gave an inaccurate EQ curve.
@@Admiral_Bongo Could be. I'll reserve judgment until I can hear the longer capture.
Would the profiling be faster with a faster computer?
Yes a faster CPU and GPU would make a big difference.
Sounds like it lost presence but it costs a fraction of the price of the hardware alternatives.
Positiv Grid did it many years bevor. So if you have BIAS Amp, you can to it also incl. network community with amp matches (what be can also rigs, pedals,…). So nothing new.
All this electronic stuff has it's place,gives ample variations,and recording and so on. But,if you use several amp/cabs, will you be able to play live and be able to recreate those several variations live? I'm a drummer,but love guitar,and I'm an old fart,I love guitar/effects straight to amp and mic,just old school way for my liking,but if you can recreate yoy sound in a live setting,then hell yeah.
I guess it's possible to capture every part of a rig individually and then just build all the variations using the pieces that were captured.
That's why half of fucking metal bands have been using the Kemper for like 8 years now.
I’m old school. Live and the recoding dont have to be identical
I think it does as good a job as any other software model. They all sound more dead than the real thing because it's still impossible to model and copy all the things that go on in upper-order harmonics and compression dynamics across the full guitar frequency spectrum. They can mimic clipping and EQ which gets you in the ballpark, but it isn't in any way equal to tube amps still in 2022. I remember back in like 2015, someone arguing with me on Reddit that in the next few years these modeled amps would be indistinguishable. Surprise, it's now 2022 and they aren't. It's still like movie CGI. Yeah, it is good enough to not laugh at, but no one is confused about whether or not the Incredible Hulk was CGI or real.
Usable, but pinched and dead sounding compared to a real tube amp. The same as it was 10 years ago.
SEEMS LIKE SOME HIGHS WERE CUT IN THE TONE MODEL. NOT SURE IF ITS LINKED TO VOLUME BUT PERHAPS THE OTHER IN BETWEEN CAPTURE TIME WOULD GET IT CLOSER. BUT FOR THE MONEY NOTHING CAN COME CLOSE TO IT.
It sounds good, but you lose some of the highs and lows. Still pretty impressive though, cool plug-in 👌🏽
I kinda don't see the point in this. Even if you have your "favourite sounding amp" there are effectively infinite different tones so there is always a better sound out there. If you're going to go to the effort of capturing your rig to get something close you may as well just play with a plugin and dial in "another favourite sound". It doesn't take very long to mess around with Guitar Rig or whatever and find something that sounds better than what I was just using.
And if you really have to have your special sound then just record the actual rig, in the end it won't matter because after recording it'll play through different headphones/speakers/environment and sound totally different anyway.
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The profile has less upper harmonics, this is not the Kemper Killer yet