Surprised that no reviews discuss the military provenance of these MS lumbar bags -- they are basically civilianized versions of the traditional butt pack or field pack. The strapettes are absolutely essential in fulfilling this pack's core DNA -- the belt is there primarily to stabilize the load on the body, not support the weight. You're basically wearing an ALICE rig, whose suspenders attach directly to the butt pack. ALICE is of course based on predecessors of similar design. Belt + Suspenders + Butt/Field pack, a combination centuries old.
I’ve been using this model all spring for my short day hikes, 2-5 miles. Works great for that, and forces me to be thoughtful with what I bring. Going to do 7 miles tomorrow with it.
Your video on the older version of the Tour convinced me to get one, and I do not regret buying it. As for the newer version, I like that the Tour now has that panel on the front, but I wish Mountainsmith retained the two rows of MOLLE.
I own the MS DAY in coyote brown made of Cordura with the PALS webbing. I love the dang thing. I don't like the new versions at all. I like drab earthy colors. Not these crazy hiking pack vibrant colors.
I watched both of his lumbar vids and bought both! I even own the original classic that's 23 years old. I make grab and go hike kits so there is never an excuse not to hike!
Putting a lumber/fanny type pack on makes it a lot easier for light woods walking especially in thick brush and low hanging limbs, less snag and drag lol
I have the older Tour Lumbar pack and just ordered a new one. Don't underestimate those optional straps, they make a world of difference in the function of the pack. I wish the Tour had a CCW compartment in the back with additional padding, it'd be perfect then.
I really like these kinds of packs for short day hikes. I just bought the helikon tex foxtrot mk2 which was the same price but Cordura material. I also like having the shoulder harness setup to keep the bag from sagging. Thanks for the review.
How is the Foxtrot holding up? It looks like it has less structure than the Mountainsmiths, but I like the molle webbing and some of the other features.
Even Donita an old video I want to say thank you for this review I’m looking into getting the bigger size since I can’t carry anything on my shoulders and I really miss hiking
I have used the Day lite pack for over 6 years. It is a total winner and totally underated company. I also use a vibe for urban city carry. Again...Just good stuff. I like the new updates! great video.
I got the bigger older hemp version for under $40. It's a backpack replacement because I like the airflow vs a backpack and use the strapettes so I can carry around 20lbs I do agree I wish it had more orginization
May I humbly suggest for a video (and if you've already done this, please forgive me) but; with all the stuff you collect, what have you actually kept and use routinely as the years go by?
From Montreal, I have the Mountainsmith Tanack 13 Liters, but a change the shoulder strap for the Maxpedition larger strap......and a pad..........a super edc bag for a BIKER!
Glad I purchased the older version. Those molle attachments come in handy. If this version had them I would have considered it. Great review as usual!!
I lucked onto what I consider the best Mountainsmith lumbar pack, but unfortunately, it hasn't been made in a very long time. The 2001 model Mountainsmith Backcountry Exec Office has everything you like about this Tour, and then some. It's a lot bigger at a claimed 21 liters, but better too much space than too little. I can always pack less in a bigger bag, but if you run out of room in a small bag, you're out of luck. It's big enough to easily handle a 13" laptop. Has a nice, big organizer panel in the front compartment, even with a couple of small pockets that look like they're sized to carry AA and AAA batteries. There's a U-shaped gap between the two compartments that's great for carrying a jacket or even an umbrella, just like the cargo sling you admire here. Very comfortable carry handles if you need to look like you're carrying a briefcase at the office. It wasn't a big seller and Mountainsmith discontinued all efforts at anything with any kind of urban utility soon afterward. I think this was the last and the best of their Backcountry Office series. Others must agree as it's almost impossible to find on the secondhand market, so owners must be holding onto theirs. I only saw it once in years of looking for a better lumbar pack and bought it immediately. As for your backpack vs. lumbar pack argument, you're forgetting that a lumbar pack is far more comfortable during warm and especially hot weather, when it doesn't leave your back soaked with sweat. Besides, even the best backpack is less comfortable than a lumbar pack. The general guideline is that you should carry about 90% of the weight of a backpack on its hipbelt. Why not just go the extra 10% and put it all on a lumbar pack's hipbelt?
I have had this bag for several years and used it a lot. It is tough and holds all I tend to carry for day hikes and mountain biking however….. it never rode well on my lower back, too bouncy and never felt secure against my lower back. I bought the strapettes that they offer for this bag and then the bag was useable. With the added back straps this bag is perfect for a backpack replacement, however with the straps it is sort of a backpack that rides low and lets my back stay cooler. I have another, smaller hip pack that fits well without back straps. Also the belt zip pocket will fit a Kimber Micro 9.
great review. I have this bag for short hikes and tourist stuff when exploring new towns. When the load gets excess (i.e. adding wife’s jacket) I use both hip and shoulder straps at the same time to distribute the weight.
I've been thinking about something like this for an emergency/72 hour kit. Something I an wear with or without my backpacking gear. I was using my Ribz chestpack but it's my edc now. I've been looking at a few. The Onetigris waistpack is a cheap contender too. I'm glad you compared multiple. That's my favorite kind of review.
Hi Aaron, Great Review as always. I don't know if people have realized this or not but these waist bags are great with those so-called tactical backpacks. Most users complain that tactical backpacks tend to be a little short as a stand-alone unit. they don't sit really well on the back of the user, especially in the lumbar area. I think these bags are designed like that for a reason. As tactical backpacks, these are used when the users have tactical belts on. in case the users come into contact and they need something from the belt line, the bag will not interfere with the access to those items. civilian users don;t really wear belts like that so a waist bag like this one pairs just fine with tactical backpacks. If it is not too much to ask, can you please try this out with one of the tactical backpacks that you have and see if the weight is evenly distributed between the shoulders and the hips? Thank you in advance.
Excellent detailed review 👍. Do you think this pack would work well on a dirt bike or MTB with about 4-5 pounds in it? Concerned that may be a bit rowdy for this size pack 🤔
Got the GCK coming . Guess I need to stay off this type channel cause the last thing I need is another knife. You made it sound so good, I do like your reviews as much as anyone. I watch more than most I know! Just wonted to let you know I like your reviews. This pack is not what I am looking for. Most of my outings is in boat. some I paddle some have motors. I flipped a motor boat last Dec. Lost several things. Need a bag somewhat waterproof with ties or way to secure in boat. Of course I had a $650 gear box welded in my new boat.
While you can, I've got the smaller of their bags, the 2020 Drift and wearing it front face for an extended period isn't very comfortable in my experience, kinda throws your balance off (I imagine the same for this one). but I will swing it around front to get to stuff, or if I'm in a crowded area and got stuff loaded up front in the shove it pocket i wouldn't want swiped/quicker access to stuff for a few minutes, I'll wear it that way for a bit before sliding back to the rear. One thing to mention though, it is actually not a problem when you are sitting down or riding in a car though, seems to be just fine in these situations as it kind of sits on your lap. Hope this helps!
Would love to see these bags lose the excessive straps and extra compartments. Compression straps are just dangling around and in the way. If I want to group items I would prefer to just use little stuff sacks. This thing is like a forest of little dangling straps, zipper grabbers, clips. Could easily just do a couple unobtrusive D-rings for the shoulder straps instead of the bulky plastic clips. But I love the side hip belt compartments if large enough for a phone, folded map.
Surprised that no reviews discuss the military provenance of these MS lumbar bags -- they are basically civilianized versions of the traditional butt pack or field pack. The strapettes are absolutely essential in fulfilling this pack's core DNA -- the belt is there primarily to stabilize the load on the body, not support the weight. You're basically wearing an ALICE rig, whose suspenders attach directly to the butt pack. ALICE is of course based on predecessors of similar design. Belt + Suspenders + Butt/Field pack, a combination centuries old.
I’ve been using this model all spring for my short day hikes, 2-5 miles. Works great for that, and forces me to be thoughtful with what I bring. Going to do 7 miles tomorrow with it.
Your video on the older version of the Tour convinced me to get one, and I do not regret buying it. As for the newer version, I like that the Tour now has that panel on the front, but I wish Mountainsmith retained the two rows of MOLLE.
I own the MS DAY in coyote brown made of Cordura with the PALS webbing.
I love the dang thing. I don't like the new versions at all. I like drab earthy colors. Not these crazy hiking pack vibrant colors.
I watched both of his lumbar vids and bought both! I even own the original classic that's 23 years old. I make grab and go hike kits so there is never an excuse not to hike!
Thanks dear for video . Is the 2 places for the water are included in the 9 liters of this bag? Thanks a lot
Putting a lumber/fanny type pack on makes it a lot easier for light woods walking especially in thick brush and low hanging limbs, less snag and drag lol
I have the older Tour Lumbar pack and just ordered a new one. Don't underestimate those optional straps, they make a world of difference in the function of the pack. I wish the Tour had a CCW compartment in the back with additional padding, it'd be perfect then.
I really like these kinds of packs for short day hikes. I just bought the helikon tex foxtrot mk2 which was the same price but Cordura material. I also like having the shoulder harness setup to keep the bag from sagging. Thanks for the review.
How is the Foxtrot holding up? It looks like it has less structure than the Mountainsmiths, but I like the molle webbing and some of the other features.
Even Donita an old video I want to say thank you for this review I’m looking into getting the bigger size since I can’t carry anything on my shoulders and I really miss hiking
I love that MS uses high vis yellow internal nylon. Best idea for inside...
I have used the Day lite pack for over 6 years. It is a total winner and totally underated company. I also use a vibe for urban city carry. Again...Just good stuff. I like the new updates! great video.
Hello! Have you had any experience cycling with this? The few cycling reviews on this bag seem very mixed on how much it bounces :(
I think it will bounce him if you really loaded out. I did not cycle much with it though.
This pack looks like a great option for my archery ground hunts while wearing a ghillie jacket.
I got the bigger older hemp version for under $40. It's a backpack replacement because I like the airflow vs a backpack and use the strapettes so I can carry around 20lbs I do agree I wish it had more orginization
I’m thinking about getting one of these for a get home bag.
I've been rocking the MS Zerk 40, and I got the Dry Kick to go with it. It's super simple but waterproof. Love em!
May I humbly suggest for a video (and if you've already done this, please forgive me) but; with all the stuff you collect, what have you actually kept and use routinely as the years go by?
got some day bags but think i'm going to try using my med size range bag, have the main compartment, 4 outside pockets shoulder strap
I had a very similar bag years ago. Keep in mind that 2 liters of water is almost 4.5 lbs of weight. The yolk would be a plus.
From Montreal, I have the Mountainsmith Tanack 13 Liters, but a change the shoulder strap for the Maxpedition larger strap......and a pad..........a super edc bag for a BIKER!
Glad I purchased the older version. Those molle attachments come in handy. If this version had them I would have considered it. Great review as usual!!
Where did you get it hat?!? Love it!
I lucked onto what I consider the best Mountainsmith lumbar pack, but unfortunately, it hasn't been made in a very long time. The 2001 model Mountainsmith Backcountry Exec Office has everything you like about this Tour, and then some. It's a lot bigger at a claimed 21 liters, but better too much space than too little. I can always pack less in a bigger bag, but if you run out of room in a small bag, you're out of luck. It's big enough to easily handle a 13" laptop. Has a nice, big organizer panel in the front compartment, even with a couple of small pockets that look like they're sized to carry AA and AAA batteries. There's a U-shaped gap between the two compartments that's great for carrying a jacket or even an umbrella, just like the cargo sling you admire here. Very comfortable carry handles if you need to look like you're carrying a briefcase at the office. It wasn't a big seller and Mountainsmith discontinued all efforts at anything with any kind of urban utility soon afterward. I think this was the last and the best of their Backcountry Office series. Others must agree as it's almost impossible to find on the secondhand market, so owners must be holding onto theirs. I only saw it once in years of looking for a better lumbar pack and bought it immediately.
As for your backpack vs. lumbar pack argument, you're forgetting that a lumbar pack is far more comfortable during warm and especially hot weather, when it doesn't leave your back soaked with sweat. Besides, even the best backpack is less comfortable than a lumbar pack. The general guideline is that you should carry about 90% of the weight of a backpack on its hipbelt. Why not just go the extra 10% and put it all on a lumbar pack's hipbelt?
If im not mistaken, the older tour lumbar pack is an 8L and this updated version is 9L.
I have had this bag for several years and used it a lot. It is tough and holds all I tend to carry for day hikes and mountain biking however….. it never rode well on my lower back, too bouncy and never felt secure against my lower back. I bought the strapettes that they offer for this bag and then the bag was useable. With the added back straps this bag is perfect for a backpack replacement, however with the straps it is sort of a backpack that rides low and lets my back stay cooler.
I have another, smaller hip pack that fits well without back straps. Also the belt zip pocket will fit a Kimber Micro 9.
Older models used Cordura, how does this Nylon hold up?
Have 3.... now I wants ... I needs another one just wish they included the strapettes, thanks man for the video
great review. I have this bag for short hikes and tourist stuff when exploring new towns. When the load gets excess (i.e. adding wife’s jacket) I use both hip and shoulder straps at the same time to distribute the weight.
A very skinny person can use it? The straps will fit 60cm waist?
I would think so
Any chance would do a revisit/review of the updated Buck 104 compadre? Curious how it stacks up against the Gerber Strong Arm.
I still wear mine from 25 years ago when mountain biking. I wish it had bottle pockets, but mine works ok.
fantastic review - awesome to have comparisons as well. Thanks!
Thanks so much!
I've been thinking about something like this for an emergency/72 hour kit. Something I an wear with or without my backpacking gear. I was using my Ribz chestpack but it's my edc now. I've been looking at a few. The Onetigris waistpack is a cheap contender too. I'm glad you compared multiple. That's my favorite kind of review.
El producto incluye la correa del hombro ?
Thanks for the review - very helpful and appreciated. What ball cap are you wearing in this video?
I am intrigued by this pack. It would be great for hikes or bike/motorcycle rides.
Hi Aaron,
Great Review as always. I don't know if people have realized this or not but these waist bags are great with those so-called tactical backpacks. Most users complain that tactical backpacks tend to be a little short as a stand-alone unit. they don't sit really well on the back of the user, especially in the lumbar area. I think these bags are designed like that for a reason. As tactical backpacks, these are used when the users have tactical belts on. in case the users come into contact and they need something from the belt line, the bag will not interfere with the access to those items. civilian users don;t really wear belts like that so a waist bag like this one pairs just fine with tactical backpacks. If it is not too much to ask, can you please try this out with one of the tactical backpacks that you have and see if the weight is evenly distributed between the shoulders and the hips? Thank you in advance.
I’ll take a look. See what I can make happen.
By larger version, did you mean the "day" pack?
Nice objective and detailed review. Thanks. Subscribed
Awesome!!! Welcome to the GT Crew John.
I know some of their stuff is made here in the USA do you know if this is?
I do not believe that this one is.
@@gideonstactical It's important.
Which Yeti do you ride?
Love this looking lumbar bag.
Excellent detailed review 👍. Do you think this pack would work well on a dirt bike or MTB with about 4-5 pounds in it? Concerned that may be a bit rowdy for this size pack 🤔
How do you think this compares to the Osprey Talon/Tempest 6?
It's not cordura?
does the shoulder strap come with it? i just purchased this pack, but mine did not come with the shoulder strap!
Strap should be included
Why does no one show this during a hike!? I want to see if it bounces excessively.
Add the backpack straps and this thing rocks
Got the GCK coming . Guess I need to stay off this type channel cause the last thing I need is another knife. You made it sound so good, I do like your reviews as much as anyone. I watch more than most I know! Just wonted to let you know I like your reviews. This pack is not what I am looking for. Most of my outings is in boat. some I paddle some have motors. I flipped a motor boat last Dec. Lost several things. Need a bag somewhat waterproof with ties or way to secure in boat. Of course I had a $650 gear box welded in my new boat.
Can that pack be worn on the front of my body?
Could you wear it forward facing?
While you can, I've got the smaller of their bags, the 2020 Drift and wearing it front face for an extended period isn't very comfortable in my experience, kinda throws your balance off (I imagine the same for this one). but I will swing it around front to get to stuff, or if I'm in a crowded area and got stuff loaded up front in the shove it pocket i wouldn't want swiped/quicker access to stuff for a few minutes, I'll wear it that way for a bit before sliding back to the rear.
One thing to mention though, it is actually not a problem when you are sitting down or riding in a car though, seems to be just fine in these situations as it kind of sits on your lap. Hope this helps!
Check out the Helikon Tex Foxtrot mk2 for another great option
Interesting Multi-Role Pack.
Great review! So love it!
Would love to see these bags lose the excessive straps and extra compartments. Compression straps are just dangling around and in the way. If I want to group items I would prefer to just use little stuff sacks. This thing is like a forest of little dangling straps, zipper grabbers, clips. Could easily just do a couple unobtrusive D-rings for the shoulder straps instead of the bulky plastic clips. But I love the side hip belt compartments if large enough for a phone, folded map.
I really want to get one of these
Good review 👍
Is definitely not $60. Average price is 80
(in portuguese) Obrigado por compartilhar!
Saudações desde Brasil!
I use this pack as my get home bag.
I perfer the Foxtrot Mk2 from Helikon-Tex, but that's cause I wanted something geared more for survival/"tacticool".
Have you done a drift or the 6 liter pack
Hmmm definitely interesting
You are not wearing properly, more up p.s love you vidios
Hey notification squad
Good content, but way too long.