It's true that bmw advices not to lubricate the brake guides, nevertheless I always lube them with silicon based lube or ATE plastilube. The important is not to use convencional or copper paste to not damage the rubber seals. That's what some other cars manufacturers advice, so I see no harm. One advice, when pressing the brake piston, it should be done with the reservoir open, to release the excess pressure. Nice video though.
@@pm8372 really? Why doesnt the factory do that then? Never grease brake pads, slides, anything. No OEM manufacturer reccomends it due to collection of debris buildup
@@quix99 Cost, While debris build up is a con, A set of quality brake pads with rubber shims should negate the use of grease. The general reason why manufacturers don’t do something is because of cost. ¢0.10 of grease per car multiplied by hundreds of thousand for something that isn’t necessary is not cost effective.
Damn, I remember the good ol days when I drove a Toyota and swapping pads and rotors was like a 2 minute ordeal - pull it all off slam it back on, didn't even need to disconnect the calipers
BMW and many other German brands use aluminum hardware, I guess they risk breaking because they stretch when installed, so repeated use is not recommended. I've reused my bolts before without issue.
I've seen different specs for the rear torque than the front torque for the caliper bolts. I'll be doing my rear brakes and rotors this weekend on a 2016 320i xdrive. 81 ft lb for the front, but only 22 ft lb for the rear. Can you confirm?
this might be an uneducated question, but hypothetically if i was on a budget and could only upgrade the brakes one step at a time what order should the upgrades be: callipers, Pads or Rotors? thank :)
robbyrazzer It depends on what you mean by “Upgrade.” If you want bigger calipers, they come with new pads and the old ones won’t work. You may need to upgrade the rotors with the bigger calipers. But if you mean same-size pads and rotors, the only caliper upgrade you can do is to powder coat them. If you want to upgrade both the pads and rotors, I’d just do them together, and if I really had to do pads and rotors separately, I’d do rotors first, because old rotors on new pads will put grooves in the pads. Better to upgrade front rotors/pads together then upgrade rear rotors/pads together.
I did 50Nm on my rear OEM's and didn't replace them but hopefully Kies MS or someone else can confirm otherwise. My source: www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-328i-lim/repair-manuals/34-brakes/34-21-rear-wheel-brakes/GfyH0Hrd
Do you know if you guys will be adding brake upgrades for the M sport brakes with the single piston calipers up front? (P337A brakes). I've looked around but they're almost impossible to find.
Weird question but.. I have an M135i F20 lci, and i have the 4 pot calipers at the front, and 2 pot calipers at the back. But i wonder why the 335i doesnt? The 335i have the same 4pot at the front though, but not the back??
Bryan, just found your video. I'm looking to replace the brake pads on my 2019 F36 440i Gran Coupe M Sport. Can I and is it advisable to upgrade the rear brakes to the brembro style 2 piston calipers to get the colored calipers on all fours? Thanks and great video.
Whats the torque spec on the 16mm bolts? You just said torque them but not how much 😅, what if I only remove the pins, how much torque do the pins need? great videos btw! Thank you!
I did 50Nm on my rear OEM's and didn't replace them but hopefully Kies MS or someone else can confirm otherwise. My source: www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-328i-lim/repair-manuals/34-brakes/34-21-rear-wheel-brakes/GfyH0Hrd
Hey Bryan, Thank you so much for these videos! Just one question for you, please. I just purchased my 2014 F30 and the previous owner had the rear pads changed. They also did not replace the sensor and the dash still showed that the pads were going to wear out in xxxx miles. I took the car to BMW of Sterling (VA) and they said that this sensor needed to be replaced when they did the pads. Is this just the dealer trying to make some extra money (I think with install they wanted to charge ~$150 to replace/install) or is it worth it to replace it while its apart? Let me know what you think and hope you and yours have a great holiday.
Hi, if the sensor is intact then it does not need replacing. What you need to do is update your car's brake service interval (in this video its says 28000 miles left) then it will count thee miles down on your new pads.
I was told by a BMW mechanic that they are supposed to be changed out every time regardless and he was the one paying for work on my car because he sold me it so he had no reason to lie at all, it just made him pay more for the repair.
Bryan, do you ever find that the parking brake mechanism needs servicing? I suppose there may not be much to do if the brake has only been properly used with the car stopped, but this is the best time ever for maintenance since the rotor is already off. Thanks.
I love the video! But this is the first time I've heard you're not supposed to grease the guide pins. I always read you're supposed to grease them. I'll have to do some more reading
Hey Bryan love your videos. Can you make a video for rear M brakes where you change both rotors and pads. Ive being told you need to have a machine to align the rotors properly. maybe you will do it on the 340IX
It's true that bmw advices not to lubricate the brake guides, nevertheless I always lube them with silicon based lube or ATE plastilube. The important is not to use convencional or copper paste to not damage the rubber seals. That's what some other cars manufacturers advice, so I see no harm. One advice, when pressing the brake piston, it should be done with the reservoir open, to release the excess pressure. Nice video though.
It is recommended you lightly grease the entire back side of the pads to prevent brake noise.
Always wise to grease the backing where the piston comes in contact. In this case, the bracket on the pad prevents that.
@@pm8372 really? Why doesnt the factory do that then? Never grease brake pads, slides, anything. No OEM manufacturer reccomends it due to collection of debris buildup
@@quix99 Cost, While debris build up is a con, A set of quality brake pads with rubber shims should negate the use of grease. The general reason why manufacturers don’t do something is because of cost. ¢0.10 of grease per car multiplied by hundreds of thousand for something that isn’t necessary is not cost effective.
Damn, I remember the good ol days when I drove a Toyota and swapping pads and rotors was like a 2 minute ordeal - pull it all off slam it back on, didn't even need to disconnect the calipers
Thank you once again. I just purchased OEM brake pads i wish i saw this before i did so in regards to the brake pads your running
You always have great videos and the information on my 328i f30 is on time.
All of your vids are helpful. Thank you!
What are the specs for the 16mm caliper bracket bolts? Easy to pickup at Lowe’s or autozone similar places?
Yes anybody know the answer to this??
I just replaced my rear brake pads and rotors I forgot to pump the brake at the end… does that make them rattle if you don’t ?
why you need to change the rear bolts for the caliper?
BMW and many other German brands use aluminum hardware, I guess they risk breaking because they stretch when installed, so repeated use is not recommended. I've reused my bolts before without issue.
Dont need go replace.
Great video, as usual! This time just like Eric O of SMA channel!👍😄
I've seen different specs for the rear torque than the front torque for the caliper bolts. I'll be doing my rear brakes and rotors this weekend on a 2016 320i xdrive. 81 ft lb for the front, but only 22 ft lb for the rear. Can you confirm?
I always leave a pad in when compressing the piston so I don't possibly rip the boot.
this might be an uneducated question, but hypothetically if i was on a budget and could only upgrade the brakes one step at a time what order should the upgrades be: callipers, Pads or Rotors?
thank :)
robbyrazzer It depends on what you mean by “Upgrade.” If you want bigger calipers, they come with new pads and the old ones won’t work. You may need to upgrade the rotors with the bigger calipers.
But if you mean same-size pads and rotors, the only caliper upgrade you can do is to powder coat them. If you want to upgrade both the pads and rotors, I’d just do them together, and if I really had to do pads and rotors separately, I’d do rotors first, because old rotors on new pads will put grooves in the pads. Better to upgrade front rotors/pads together then upgrade rear rotors/pads together.
Question for Bryan... Are you able to have both carplay and apple tv in an F30 or you can only keep one?
12:23 could you recommend what torque for the caliper bolts?
110nm
What is the torque setting for those new bolts, and why should the bolts be replaced
I did 50Nm on my rear OEM's and didn't replace them but hopefully Kies MS or someone else can confirm otherwise.
My source: www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-328i-lim/repair-manuals/34-brakes/34-21-rear-wheel-brakes/GfyH0Hrd
JRP tha is for the link. Appreciate that.
Torque specs please?
Do you know if you guys will be adding brake upgrades for the M sport brakes with the single piston calipers up front? (P337A brakes). I've looked around but they're almost impossible to find.
This
Nice work
Weird question but.. I have an M135i F20 lci, and i have the 4 pot calipers at the front, and 2 pot calipers at the back. But i wonder why the 335i doesnt? The 335i have the same 4pot at the front though, but not the back??
because you have the msport brakes, the blu ones.
@@cod4Anubis Yes i know, but why doesnt the 335i has it? it bothers me for some reason lol.. :D
Is it really necessary to change the bolts
Bryan, just found your video. I'm looking to replace the brake pads on my 2019 F36 440i Gran Coupe M Sport.
Can I and is it advisable to upgrade the rear brakes to the brembro style 2 piston calipers to get the colored calipers on all fours? Thanks and great video.
Where can I find the brake in procedure???
Whats the torque spec on the 16mm bolts? You just said torque them but not how much 😅, what if I only remove the pins, how much torque do the pins need? great videos btw! Thank you!
I did 50Nm on my rear OEM's and didn't replace them but hopefully Kies MS or someone else can confirm otherwise.
My source: www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f30-328i-lim/repair-manuals/34-brakes/34-21-rear-wheel-brakes/GfyH0Hrd
Hey buddy, is there a code to have the middle brake lights blink prior to solid lights for the F30? Thanks, much appreciated!
What size of the rotors you'd recommend? Why shouldn't I go for the 345mm size?
The factory ask to replace the bolts? Is that really necessary? I did changed my rear brake pads 2000 miles ago and so far so good.
Not necessary imo. I've reused them plenty of times.
I got 320i EU with standard brakes (rotors 300x22). I want upgrade for M brakes (340x30). It its ok fot 18"? Should i swap serwo??
I wonder where to get those new bolts?
What other items needs to be replaced when replacing brake pads and rotors?
brakepad wear sensors
Would this work for a f30 320i
Yes
What’s difference between yellow and red edc pads in street racing
Can we get a link to the bolts ?
Are the DS2500 not better?
Hey Bryan, Thank you so much for these videos! Just one question for you, please. I just purchased my 2014 F30 and the previous owner had the rear pads changed. They also did not replace the sensor and the dash still showed that the pads were going to wear out in xxxx miles. I took the car to BMW of Sterling (VA) and they said that this sensor needed to be replaced when they did the pads. Is this just the dealer trying to make some extra money (I think with install they wanted to charge ~$150 to replace/install) or is it worth it to replace it while its apart? Let me know what you think and hope you and yours have a great holiday.
Hi, if the sensor is intact then it does not need replacing. What you need to do is update your car's brake service interval (in this video its says 28000 miles left) then it will count thee miles down on your new pads.
I was told by a BMW mechanic that they are supposed to be changed out every time regardless and he was the one paying for work on my car because he sold me it so he had no reason to lie at all, it just made him pay more for the repair.
Can you put the link for the front rotors?
Bryan, do you ever find that the parking brake mechanism needs servicing? I suppose there may not be much to do if the brake has only been properly used with the car stopped, but this is the best time ever for maintenance since the rotor is already off. Thanks.
If anyone can answer which brake and rotors wear out first..... rear or front f30 328i
Front
Verry meticolus job, I can't immage the BMW's service working like that.
I love the video! But this is the first time I've heard you're not supposed to grease the guide pins. I always read you're supposed to grease them. I'll have to do some more reading
Where do you buy your gloves from?
When I did my brakes, Akebono sent them with little packets grease... were they not for the pins? Lol 🤷🏻♂️
How many miles are on your n55 now? @kiesmotorsports
hey kies, do you have a video where you change the rotors?
Hi, this one has the new rotors in it as well :)
As long as caliper bolt is not stripped, there is absolutely no need to replace.
Good job, I'm hooked on you.
Hey Bryan love your videos. Can you make a video for rear M brakes where you change both rotors and pads. Ive being told you need to have a machine to align the rotors properly. maybe you will do it on the 340IX
Damn I wish I had a lift, but I live in a damn apartment building lmao
Brake bolts are not torque to yield no need to replace unless damaged.
don't use a ratchet to break bolts you'll kill the ratchet
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I hate how crusty the OEM calipers and rotors get after a short time.
You can switch to Akebono pads. Almost no dust, keeps your wheels, calipers, and suspension components clean.
need help taking out the wheel luck nut
Haha, I’ll do the front brakes, you do the back.....