@@theGunLocker Hi again…1. Ignore the rabble. 2. While you’re on, what oil would you recommend for walnut, beech stocks? Can I treat laminate the same? 3. Is mineral oil good for metalwork? Baz.
I’ve got an old bsa super sport it’s been a great old work horse and it’s still knocking thing over 30 years on. Quality always sell.😊thanks for your reviews regards 😊cheers😊
Fair and Honest reviews and a Derbyshire Gentlman as well, thats got to be worth a sub. The BSA Lightning has gone down as the gun I kept for the shortest time ever, yet my old.177 Supersport was a gem.
Hi, I am new to your channel and have just subscribed. I've watched many gun and equipment review channels over many years and I believe that most of them start out with honest reviews but as they get more popular and get more manufacturers offering incentives I lose faith with them. on the other hand I can understand the temptation. I hope you are well healed enough to just keep telling it how it is as I am sure a lot of us buy stuff after watching these revues, very interesting and informative thanks
Hi @dph57...I'll try! In truth and to somewhat appease your concerns, I had an agreement (still do actually) with HIKMICRO to review their products. Check out my vids and you'll see I was given one to review. Sorry to say, it simply did not meet my standards and I couldn't even sight it in properly as the image was too pixelated to use as a rifle scope. The product was returned and I haven't heard back from them! The agreement stated that I had to run my reviews by them first before publishing, so I couldn't release my findings. But there's nothing to say in that agreement that I can't discuss what happened. I get where you're coming from with regards viewers buying on the strength of reviews...those reviews should be honest! I hate being sold a dud! And money is too hard to come by these days to waste it on crap. I just wish people would respect what it is I am trying to do because I have been slated on several occasions for publishing my findings. Thanks for taking the time to comment and welcome to the channel. All the best
I had a BSA scorpion se in .22 gas ram. It was very harsh to shoot and literally shook itself to pieces. The trigger guard became loose along with the stock screws. What was even worse it destroyed two of my scopes crosshairs so the block that sits on top of the rifle with the rubber strip to absorb vibration through the scope is useless. Took it back and part exchanged it. Had a BSA R10 se and according to BSA I’d get 190 shots out of it in .177,but realistically I’d get 120, which is still decent but nowhere near what BSA claims. Always good to watch honest reviews like these so as people can make up their own minds, unlike certain magazines I could mention. Sorry this is turning into a rant😮
Buy a Walther LGV. My RFD threw one @ me as he couldn't sell it; complete with Falcon side-focus scope for £300. It shoots with great precision, There are bargains out there.
I had the BSA lightening GRT and I'm really surprised by this. Mine was very accurate and build quality seemed very good. It felt nicer to hold than the weihrauch 95 I used to have. I agree with the trigger being too heavy but it wasn't bad
yeah got one earlier this year seems pretty accurate to me getting good groups out to 25 pellets go where they are pointed ,build qualiyty seems good all firm and tight not gettin involved but on these reviews always seems to be a gun fault,mebbe need to look for the common denominator here meebbe gas ram better than spring ???
I've had several BSA's over the years, Meteor, Mercury, Airsporter and a Supersport or something like that. The main reason I switched to HW and AA is the trigger and that's it.
Yeah but you maybe had BSAs from before Gamo bought them out, a bit like how the quality went downhill for Webley after they were bought out, but nowhere near as bad. A friend I go shooting with had a Lightning, it's one of the worst rifles I've shot, build quality was shocking & trigger exactly like mentioned in this review. That gun started galling really badly & he gave it away. Really bad thing is they're more expensive than HW99S which knocks spots off Lightning.
I wish it was...sometimes it's just down to poor craftsmanship. And BSA are getting a bad reputation for that now. All the best and thanks for watching.
Yep. I;ve heard this about the Lightning. I own a 90's Superstar (underlever), and consider it the best rifle I have ever owned; and in my opinion the best underlever BSA ever made. Not as good obviously as my S410. Great videos bud, thanks.
Agree with everything you said about the BSA. I bought a brand new one a couple of years ago. Very disappointing. Loose stock screws, terrible trigger and useless moderator/cocking aid. Even after some tinkering the accuracy was very average. In fact I've had better break barrels for less than half the price.
Must admit I bought a Lightning XL tactical years ago and didn't get as far as properly testing for accuracy because it had a faulty trigger unit. After taking it back to the shop for a second time I decided to upgrade my purchase to an AA S400. I have other BSA rifles which are pretty good though (Cadet, Airsporter, Ultra SE) so although the Lightning XL was a lemon I would still buy another BSA in future. I like the look of the Meteor Super.
I bought one from Keith sports in saltburn I took it out that same day and the very next day I returned it, it was shocking. I then went up to bagnal sports in Newcastle and bought a HW 95k which is much much better
Nice to see honest reviews, both those BSAs I had issues with, older scorpion t10 was excellent although it took XTX tuning to get it absolute top notch, the scorpion SE though shot like an absolute dog and the lightening tactical se was the single worst spring gun I've owned, utterly awful to shoot. Strangely the Gamo phox and coyote I own are both superb?!? The Turkish guns seem a lottery, a friend has a reximex Lyra, decent quality and it shoots like a laser, just inconsistent quality. .
Hi @matthewanslow7685...thanks. Of the Turkish guns, I would stick with Kral. The other makes such as Reximex buy their products from, or have taken the designs from Kral. The owners are all related in some way...brothers, sisters or cousins. They tend to be lesser quality and more inconsistent. That's not to say that Kral's don't have issues, they do, but they are easily rectified. All the best
Seems to me you have a problem with bsa, I have the bsa lightning and its accuracy is spot on. Quality is excellent and no issues what so ever...user error is your problem.
If that's the case, then the gunsmith I got it from must also suffer from user error... especially when the barrel waggled from side to side in his hands....along with the countless other purchasers who have suffered the same issues and made it known??? All the best and thanks for watching
@@theGunLockerCountless? I would have expected any decent gunsmith to have returned it as faulty to BSA, also if he knew it was faulty, why on earth pass it on for reviewing that doesn't make any sense? If it was brand new, it can't have been run in and might even have been deiseling from the storage lubes in the chamber and barrel?
Hi I'm new to the channel interesting what you said about the bsa lighting, I bought one about 5yrs ago I tried 2 different scopes on it, I just couldn't get a decent group with either scope, I also had a problem with the screws coming loose holding the gun together definitely a zero from me to 😒
BSA have simply lost touch with reality...you cannot produce a pigs ear and call it a silk purse! Not these days with the public being so much more educated and not prepared to accept poor quality. I reckon they must be feeling the pinch now as they have upped their advertising on social media especially on TikTok to obviously generate sales. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. All the best.
Hi,,it was years ago that my meteor whos barrels were made the same way were brazed on and i had the barrel came off the locking block,,i sent it back to bsa and the ome i got back was smooth bored ?
Sorry you got such a poor lightning I own several supersports from early ones to the lightning like this one, cant say I have had any serious issue with any of them. I would say that gamo who despite claims to the contrary build these guns now, have always had a problem with telling the truth and their slightly slap dash approach to construction and assembly is legendary. I would send it back and get them to replace it or sort it. I would also like to point out that 88 decibels not an uncommon rating for many moderators., but in this day and age we all hope for much better.
If it works for him, then that's great! I couldn't get on with the one I was given to review, it simply had too much going wrong with it including a bent barrel. All the best and apologies for the late reply
Well I have the BSA XL SE in .177. Mine likes JSB Exact, 8.44gr and it does 5p groups at 25 yards all day long. That alleged dovetail is actually 13mm and up to the point it chucks a normal 12mm off the back, you won't get accurate. Nothing nice to say about BSA doing that, simply no need, but it does need 13mm mounts. Also should mention it has a kick well above Weihrauch due to it being lighter. Certainly not quiet, but the noise on a springer is at the other end, pointless adding a silencer. Honest review though, pleasant change.
I’ve enjoyed your reviews mate and have agreed with your results for the most part. I have to say though that I’ve never had a BSA Scorpion that wasn’t spot on accurate.
Hi @Seamaster1963...I've heard a few people say that and it's a shame that it wasn't the case for me. The rifle I was given to review was bloody awful and the stock...honetsly, I haven't seen something of that poor quality in a long time. Anyway, thanks for watching and all the best. Apologies the delayed reply.
Bsa made the best springer ever, it was the lightning, unfortunately the new guns, from bsa are pants, my old lighting is 30 years old now but still stacks pellet on pellets, build quality nowadays is left alot to be desired, to much imput from gammo, as for 177, more accurate than 22, hm i shoot 25 in sub 12, all the same spot on , i prefare, heavy calibre for hunting , dont care for 177, zipps through to many pigeon fly off then bleed out, good honest review thanks
Have to agree that the BSA Lightning is disappointing. As you say all the statistics are incorrect and the trigger is appalling. I tested over 100 brands and weights of pellets and the best 5 pellet grouping I got was 11mm though this was only at 10 meters. That with the same pellets 5 shot groups would vary between 11mm to 24mm. RWS Super Dome 14.5g. I'm surprised we won the war with BSA rifles.
BSA aren't the same as they were, they were bought out by Gamo and I think only some of the barrels are made over here. Old BSAs were built much better.
@MrRockstar1968 I looked into it, only the Comet & the Super Meteor are being made in the UK but that's a very recent thing so they may not have even started yet. All but one Gamo & BSA PCP are made in Brum & I know some barrels were always made there. Looks like an America company has purchased Gamo & with it BSA & will be moving more production back to Birmingham, nice to see a company focus on quality & not just money like that.
I read in a trade magazine down my club last week that said all PCP's are machined and built at Armoury Road which includes Gamo PCP's, to faclitate that they moved springer production to Spain but are bringing it back to Birmingham along with the Gamo designed SAT triggers used in springers. All the BSA made barrels are stamped & most of the upper end Gamo guns use them. It seems to be one of these cases where half a doz manufacturers are semi independent under a bigger banner so each one says 'our manufacturing'...@@jimmynich4791
I have an old Mercury that seems nicer to shoot and more accurate than the more recent Supersport/Lightning (in my hands at least). No BSA springer has ever matched the accuracy on tap from Weihrauchs and Gamos that I've owned although my little BSA Ultra has yet to be beaten by any .22 PCP including far more expensive air rifles. Sadly I've yet to get on with any Turkish made air rifle, be that springer or PCP. I've always suspected that the barrel quality is less refined than other makes.
For me...it's a toss of the coin between German or Finnish / Swedish engineering, They are the top manufacturers in the world as far as I'm concerned. Saying that SKOUT (USA) is a company that is causing a massive stir in the airgun scene. All the best and thanks for watching!
Didn’t like the lightning then?🤭 7:53 Glad you didn’t have any AA in there, but then you’ve only reviewed one. But I don’t understand why you didn’t like the scorpion they’re not too bad.
reximex is like snowpeak its a barrel lottery ive got one that shoots with my daystate revere out to 90 yds and one that will not shoot under 32mm at 30 yds needless to say i machined a lw for the bad one now its good to go minute of squirrel head out to 50 yds
Loving your videos... But 😉 Analysing the Reximex Myth vid and you can do this yourself. Compare the stock against your ear lobe, it's up and down. This will make a massive difference at 30M I hope this helps in determining what's wrong. On one shot the love was 10mm higher. Even squeezing the gun further into your check can make the difference between knocking the pip out of the target or not when one click of windage might be too much. 👍
It doesn’t matter how brilliant a BSA barrel is, because it’s only as good as the weakest link as you showed, I was surprised at the Snowpeaks grouping results I think manufacturers took a step backwards when they adopted self indexing magazines. When you think how soft lead is and how thin the skirt is so you force it against a stop and into the breach and then your surprised to have skirt deformation, Weihrauch have the right idea as did Daystate until the launch of the Huntsman Revere. It would have been interesting to see if the group tightened up when using a loading tray or placing the pellet in the breach manually. Yet another brilliant video though.👍
Had the bsa lightning what a joke,went back to bsa twice as the barrel pin kept going loose so much the barrel was rubbing the stock when you broke the barrel,had a full refund bough the 97 perfect
I have a BSA Ultra SE .22 multishot and I can shoot pellet on pellet with air arms diabolo field and never had and mag jams or any problems loading the pellets or mag
Lost confidence with BSA after buying a new spitfire.first one ran 16fb so had to go back after big battle with the shop that sold it me (kranks .... dreadful customer service) next one started to leek after a year and nobody wants to touch it inc bsa who washed there hands of it....also had a walther century that just wouldn't group so that had to go ...
Got one Ultra SE .177, a Ultra MMC .177 and a Ultra MMC .22 and I rejected Bisley pellets in all of them. They like JSB, AA Field and RWS Superfield. All three have bben utterly faultless the only problem being the early BSA mag where the O ring was too thin and not set deep enough. The newer mags are fine. The problems with the olders mags not feeding can be sorted by loading them from the opposite side tail first. Yes the trigger can be a bit sloppy with side to side play but nothing a thin shim can't sort in seconds. As for accuracy, use the right pellet and they are a one holer. Anyone can moan about any rifle and it gets attention but for every one of them there dozens who are 100% happy and just quietly get on with the job. It's the same with any brand..the malcontents make by far the most noise..
Did i miss something here ? I thought there would be a spoken section at the end for the ixia but it was all bsa . Why was the ixia and myth so bad ? I have ordered the reximex pretensis so ill have it tomorrow to use . Any thoughts ?
Hi @pauljohnson9326...sorry for the late reply. Take a look at my reviews on the Myth: th-cam.com/video/ghJHTH2a3v0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mS9bxhO4UCDok3da and Ixia: th-cam.com/video/Cfr2VFlZ5LU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7I-yyKpzmvdEJJLn. They explain my findings. All the best and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for watching.
@@theGunLocker hey thank you for the link and I have watched just over half so far. I am really hoping that the pretensis is better as I have ordered one which should be with me today or tomorrow. I wonder what your thoughts on that rifle is, would love to see a review . Thanks again and All the best mate.
Yes I clean the barrels but I don't get the time to properly lead them in. I also have a limited budget to work with when reviewing rifles for dealers. Wish I could run a tin of pellets through each one first, but unfortunately, I simply cannot. All the best and thanks for watching.
I swear by H N Exite pellets, cheap pellets but spot, my gunshop sells loads of them, l have a lot of air rifles and they all seem to like them, most people think that expensive pellets are the only ones that are accurate.
H&N makes pellets for all sorts of brands...Bisley LRGs for example. All the best and thanks for taking the time to comment. Apologies for the late reply.
I don’t understand With the bsa lighting, you must have a doggy one, mine shoots at 35 40 yards within at 10 pence peace had it 9 months it’s been brilliant can’t fault it what so ever
Depends on the rifle...refer to my comments at the end of the video with the scope mount on the BSA Lightning - absolutely pointless. Some rifles have high scope rails. But saying that, once you know how your rifle shoots, it's more about getting your distance accurately measured before taking your shot and referring to your D.O.P.E card for placement. If the the rifle is consistently accurate, then shot placement should be consistent. All the best and thanks for watching.
Many thanks for your reply. I consider it a design fault if a scope on any rifle cannot be mounted close as possible to the bore. One of the effects of a high mounted scope is to exaggerate the effect of any unintended cant and also in some cases to provide poor cheek weld.@@theGunLocker
BSA is owned by Gamo. They are over priced and under perform. They lie about specs. Hatsan, Crosman same. My beeman is great. Most German guns are very good even if from China like my Mantis 10616. 0.3" at 30 meters is not bad for a 177 break barrel shooting 1,000 fps Superdomes. Thanks for the honest reviews!
Sometimes you have to make a point and the lack of footage can be a powerful tool! All the best and thanks for watching. By the way, it's not a rant, just me giving my honest opinion and recount of what happened.
Hi @MrBlazzor, I do...they just don't look like them on the face of it! Bisley LRGs are made by H&N, as are Remington Thunder Barracudas and Diana Hi Powers. Thanks for watching and Happy New Year to you - all the best for 2024.
MMM KINDA A BIAS AGAINST BSA HERE I GUESS ,HAVE A LIGHTENING GR AND HAVENT EPERIENCED ANY OF THESE PROBS ,GROUPS WELL AT 25 M EASY TO COCK AND LOAD OK NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS MY BRK SNIPER BUT HEY NOWHERE NEARF TH EPRICE EITHE ,BOTH WORK WELL AS VARMINT GUNS FOR ME
One things for sure,. 22's ain't as accurate as. 177's, the proof was there in this vid.. Then again it's common knowledge, you stick ( say) 10 rifles in. 177 against there. 22 siblings, (that's 10 different brands) my guess is the. 177 would come out on top 9/10... Over your 30mtr range.. And in ideal conditions.. I realise that you might have been given duffers to test.. And I'm going a bit off topic.. But I had to get it off my chest..
That's not necessarily true Mark. Depends on the conditions. You know that lighter pellets get buffeted by the wind more than heavier ones! All the best and thanks for your continued support. How's the missus?
@@theGunLocker Ahh that's why I said 30mtrs and ideal conditions... Mrs is OK.. Sent her off to work this morning, character building working Saturdays. Sticking by my guns here.. Still say. 177 is more accurate.. 😉
BSA made a big point on some reviews about the magazine and that's what caused a lot of the negative reviews?? Surprised about the Ixia, I like the look of that one
I have one in .177 and it is accurate. Well it is after i recrowned the barrel as it looked like the crown had been machined with a blunt stone.. was still more accurate at 30m than the one he reviewed though
@@theGunLocker no you shouldn’t but I sent the rifle back an even after speaking to their “gunsmith” and telling him what the problem was he fitted a new shroud an the same barrel, didn’t want to be without rifle for another 3 weeks so recrowned it myself
The new Diana's are a bit shart too...the quality has dropped off since Meyer sold them.... they've always made some odd engineering choices (bevel breeches, dogleg transfer ports etc) but now the finish isn't as good ....and the price hasn't dropped. The latest Meteor is supposedly made in the UK...maybe that will shoot straighter
I've always bought bsa rifles excellent value for money but the gamo built meteor evo is garbage the trigger feels like trying to snapp a length of 3x2 with one finger
@@garynewsham9117 Lol, I'll steer clear of the Gamo built ones then. I've heard the BSA Lightning shoots better than the Lightning XL, I haven't had a chance to test that myself though. Perhaps with such a short barrel inside the shroud the XL was given a stronger spring to make it full power(?) which in turn made it loud, increased recoil and gave the trigger mechanism a more difficult task.
Nice to see someone actually saying something is 💩 for a change, rather than saying everything is great for the money
Gotta love the frankness and honesty here.
Some don't! Ha!
Hi Mark - hooray for an honest and knowledgable air gun reviewer! So few of you. Keep ‘em coming. Baz.
Thank you that's nice to hear! Shame not everyone thinks the same. All the best and thanks for watching.
@@theGunLocker Hi again…1. Ignore the rabble. 2. While you’re on, what oil would you recommend for walnut, beech stocks? Can I treat laminate the same? 3. Is mineral oil good for metalwork? Baz.
good to see some actually reviews and not just the usual " everything is just great" .
Hi @nilslarson7532... thanks! All the best
Everything is awesome
One of the best gas ram guns made is BSA lightning ,been shooting since aged about 10 , now lm 74 great gun 🇬🇧
Had mine for 2 years love it. No sign of Waggling either
@@georgethepatriot2785 I Have a bsa xl se GRT and it is fantastic, one of my best guns.
I’ve got an old bsa super sport it’s been a great old work horse and it’s still knocking thing over 30 years on. Quality always sell.😊thanks for your reviews regards 😊cheers😊
The worst thing I ever did was sell my Supersport Carbine .177 to raise funds for a "Better" rifle. 😣
I have a BSA Superstar, bought around 1995. Also AA TX200, AA Prosport, Walther LGV; it matches them for precision. It is not going anywhere else.
Fair and Honest reviews and a Derbyshire Gentlman as well, thats got to be worth a sub. The BSA Lightning has gone down as the gun I kept for the shortest time ever, yet my old.177 Supersport was a gem.
Wouldn't it be better to test them all indoors so some aren't in gale force winds?
Hi, I am new to your channel and have just subscribed. I've watched many gun and equipment review channels over many years and I believe that most of them start out with honest reviews but as they get more popular and get more manufacturers offering incentives I lose faith with them. on the other hand I can understand the temptation. I hope you are well healed enough to just keep telling it how it is as I am sure a lot of us buy stuff after watching these revues, very interesting and informative thanks
Hi @dph57...I'll try! In truth and to somewhat appease your concerns, I had an agreement (still do actually) with HIKMICRO to review their products. Check out my vids and you'll see I was given one to review. Sorry to say, it simply did not meet my standards and I couldn't even sight it in properly as the image was too pixelated to use as a rifle scope. The product was returned and I haven't heard back from them! The agreement stated that I had to run my reviews by them first before publishing, so I couldn't release my findings. But there's nothing to say in that agreement that I can't discuss what happened.
I get where you're coming from with regards viewers buying on the strength of reviews...those reviews should be honest! I hate being sold a dud! And money is too hard to come by these days to waste it on crap.
I just wish people would respect what it is I am trying to do because I have been slated on several occasions for publishing my findings.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and welcome to the channel. All the best
I had a BSA scorpion se in .22 gas ram. It was very harsh to shoot and literally shook itself to pieces. The trigger guard became loose along with the stock screws.
What was even worse it destroyed two of my scopes crosshairs so the block that sits on top of the rifle with the rubber strip to absorb vibration through the scope is useless. Took it back and part exchanged it.
Had a BSA R10 se and according to BSA I’d get 190 shots out of it in .177,but realistically I’d get 120, which is still decent but nowhere near what BSA claims.
Always good to watch honest reviews like these so as people can make up their own minds, unlike certain magazines I could mention. Sorry this is turning into a rant😮
Honesty is very rare nowadays but respect to anyone who can spread the truth.
Great video Mark, you're the standard I go by. Still looking for the right airgun. Can' wait for your next post.
Thanks Stephen, all the best!
@@theGunLocker Thank you Mark.
Get a Weihrauch.
Buy a Walther LGV. My RFD threw one @ me as he couldn't sell it; complete with Falcon side-focus scope for £300. It shoots with great precision, There are bargains out there.
I had the BSA lightening GRT and I'm really surprised by this. Mine was very accurate and build quality seemed very good. It felt nicer to hold than the weihrauch 95 I used to have. I agree with the trigger being too heavy but it wasn't bad
The trigger is simple to adjust though.
yeah got one earlier this year seems pretty accurate to me getting good groups out to 25 pellets go where they are pointed ,build qualiyty seems good all firm and tight not gettin involved but on these reviews always seems to be a gun fault,mebbe need to look for the common denominator here meebbe gas ram better than spring ???
Them pellets are not good none of my rifles like very rough and poor quality control
It's your pellets on the reximex myth 22
Love my GRT . No complaints . Just as accurate as my AA 410
I've had several BSA's over the years, Meteor, Mercury, Airsporter and a Supersport or something like that. The main reason I switched to HW and AA is the trigger and that's it.
Yeah but you maybe had BSAs from before Gamo bought them out, a bit like how the quality went downhill for Webley after they were bought out, but nowhere near as bad. A friend I go shooting with had a Lightning, it's one of the worst rifles I've shot, build quality was shocking & trigger exactly like mentioned in this review. That gun started galling really badly & he gave it away. Really bad thing is they're more expensive than HW99S which knocks spots off Lightning.
@@jimmynich4791 yes it was decades ago.
@warspite7867 The good news is Gamo, and with it BSA have been bought out and some spring guns are being made in Brum again.
I got a bsa lighting xl se. Your review is 100% spot on. All it's good for is 10yds in the garden
Perhaps for a Flat owner with only a window-box to shoot along?
@@mikesharp4033 😆🤣
My BSA lighting.177 is super accurate at 40 and 50 yards it’s all about technique and pellet chose.
I wish it was...sometimes it's just down to poor craftsmanship. And BSA are getting a bad reputation for that now. All the best and thanks for watching.
@@theGunLocker think I got lucky I’ve heard of some bad ones out there it’s a lottery by the looks of things.
Yep. I;ve heard this about the Lightning. I own a 90's Superstar (underlever), and consider it the best rifle I have ever owned; and in my opinion the best underlever BSA ever made. Not as good obviously as my S410. Great videos bud, thanks.
Thanks John! All the best
Agree with everything you said about the BSA. I bought a brand new one a couple of years ago. Very disappointing. Loose stock screws, terrible trigger and useless moderator/cocking aid.
Even after some tinkering the accuracy was very average. In fact I've had better break barrels for less than half the price.
Thanks Jeremy! All the best.
Try the H&N FTT 5,55 mm in the BSA Lightning. I could not get good groups either, untill I tried that pellet.
The rifle has been returned and in truth I hope not to have to shoot another one! All the best and thanks for watching!
Good job I stumbled on this review as was going to purchase the BSA lightening, no way now!!! Thanks for your honest review.
Must admit I bought a Lightning XL tactical years ago and didn't get as far as properly testing for accuracy because it had a faulty trigger unit. After taking it back to the shop for a second time I decided to upgrade my purchase to an AA S400. I have other BSA rifles which are pretty good though (Cadet, Airsporter, Ultra SE) so although the Lightning XL was a lemon I would still buy another BSA in future. I like the look of the Meteor Super.
I bought one from Keith sports in saltburn I took it out that same day and the very next day I returned it, it was shocking. I then went up to bagnal sports in Newcastle and bought a HW 95k which is much much better
Nice to see honest reviews, both those BSAs I had issues with, older scorpion t10 was excellent although it took XTX tuning to get it absolute top notch, the scorpion SE though shot like an absolute dog and the lightening tactical se was the single worst spring gun I've owned, utterly awful to shoot. Strangely the Gamo phox and coyote I own are both superb?!? The Turkish guns seem a lottery, a friend has a reximex Lyra, decent quality and it shoots like a laser, just inconsistent quality. .
Hi @matthewanslow7685...thanks. Of the Turkish guns, I would stick with Kral. The other makes such as Reximex buy their products from, or have taken the designs from Kral. The owners are all related in some way...brothers, sisters or cousins. They tend to be lesser quality and more inconsistent. That's not to say that Kral's don't have issues, they do, but they are easily rectified. All the best
Seems to me you have a problem with bsa, I have the bsa lightning and its accuracy is spot on. Quality is excellent and no issues what so ever...user error is your problem.
If that's the case, then the gunsmith I got it from must also suffer from user error... especially when the barrel waggled from side to side in his hands....along with the countless other purchasers who have suffered the same issues and made it known??? All the best and thanks for watching
Whatever.
@@paulfisher4669do you have a waggley barrel sweet heart?
@@theGunLockerCountless? I would have expected any decent gunsmith to have returned it as faulty to BSA, also if he knew it was faulty, why on earth pass it on for reviewing that doesn't make any sense? If it was brand new, it can't have been run in and might even have been deiseling from the storage lubes in the chamber and barrel?
All sounds very suspect to me. Haven't you heard of tightening up your screws.
I had a BSA Lightening tactical and it was absolute gash,ended up selling it
Lighting never strikes the same place twice . That’s why bsa chose that name 😂
“Gash”! Haven’t heard that word since my RAF days nigh on 45 years ago!😊👍
Hi I'm new to the channel interesting what you said about the bsa lighting, I bought one about 5yrs ago I tried 2 different scopes on it, I just couldn't get a decent group with either scope, I also had a problem with the screws coming loose holding the gun together definitely a zero from me to 😒
BSA have simply lost touch with reality...you cannot produce a pigs ear and call it a silk purse! Not these days with the public being so much more educated and not prepared to accept poor quality. I reckon they must be feeling the pinch now as they have upped their advertising on social media especially on TikTok to obviously generate sales. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. All the best.
Hi,,it was years ago that my meteor whos barrels were made the same way were brazed on and i had the barrel came off the locking block,,i sent it back to bsa and the ome i got back was smooth bored ?
Sorry you got such a poor lightning I own several supersports from early ones to the lightning like this one, cant say I have had any serious issue with any of them. I would say that gamo who despite claims to the contrary build these guns now, have always had a problem with telling the truth and their slightly slap dash approach to construction and assembly is legendary. I would send it back and get them to replace it or sort it. I would also like to point out that 88 decibels not an uncommon rating for many moderators., but in this day and age we all hope for much better.
All the best and thanks for watching!
My lad has a Reximex Ixia and at 30 yards it is very accurate.
He shoots Jsb and Hades15.89s and is grouping under a 20p piece.
If it works for him, then that's great! I couldn't get on with the one I was given to review, it simply had too much going wrong with it including a bent barrel. All the best and apologies for the late reply
Well I have the BSA XL SE in .177. Mine likes JSB Exact, 8.44gr and it does 5p groups at 25 yards all day long. That alleged dovetail is actually 13mm and up to the point it chucks a normal 12mm off the back, you won't get accurate. Nothing nice to say about BSA doing that, simply no need, but it does need 13mm mounts. Also should mention it has a kick well above Weihrauch due to it being lighter. Certainly not quiet, but the noise on a springer is at the other end, pointless adding a silencer. Honest review though, pleasant change.
I’ve enjoyed your reviews mate and have agreed with your results for the most part. I have to say though that I’ve never had a BSA Scorpion that wasn’t spot on accurate.
Hi @Seamaster1963...I've heard a few people say that and it's a shame that it wasn't the case for me. The rifle I was given to review was bloody awful and the stock...honetsly, I haven't seen something of that poor quality in a long time.
Anyway, thanks for watching and all the best. Apologies the delayed reply.
Bsa made the best springer ever, it was the lightning, unfortunately the new guns, from bsa are pants, my old lighting is 30 years old now but still stacks pellet on pellets, build quality nowadays is left alot to be desired, to much imput from gammo, as for 177, more accurate than 22, hm i shoot 25 in sub 12, all the same spot on , i prefare, heavy calibre for hunting , dont care for 177, zipps through to many pigeon fly off then bleed out, good honest review thanks
I agree, all the best and thanks for watching
I also have the 1st model bsa lightning cannot fault it,I have tried other rifles including pcps but the bsa is one rifle I would never part with
I find my SMK Artemis P15 prefers 18g pellets, so maybe the SMK Snowpeak M40S prefers 18g pellets too?
Have to agree that the BSA Lightning is disappointing. As you say all the statistics are incorrect and the trigger is appalling. I tested over 100 brands and weights of pellets and the best 5 pellet grouping I got was 11mm though this was only at 10 meters. That with the same pellets 5 shot groups would vary between 11mm to 24mm. RWS Super Dome 14.5g. I'm surprised we won the war with BSA rifles.
Hi @MrRockstar1968...apologies for the late reply. Thanks for watching and your continued support.
BSA aren't the same as they were, they were bought out by Gamo and I think only some of the barrels are made over here. Old BSAs were built much better.
@@jimmynich4791 Yeah I heard Gamo became owners of BSA, though I'm sure is the BSA Lightning is still manufactured in the UK.
@MrRockstar1968 I looked into it, only the Comet & the Super Meteor are being made in the UK but that's a very recent thing so they may not have even started yet. All but one Gamo & BSA PCP are made in Brum
& I know some barrels were always made there. Looks like an America company has purchased Gamo & with it BSA & will be moving more production back to Birmingham, nice to see a company focus on quality & not just money like that.
I read in a trade magazine down my club last week that said all PCP's are machined and built at Armoury Road which includes Gamo PCP's, to faclitate that they moved springer production to Spain but are bringing it back to Birmingham along with the Gamo designed SAT triggers used in springers. All the BSA made barrels are stamped & most of the upper end Gamo guns use them. It seems to be one of these cases where half a doz manufacturers are semi independent under a bigger banner so each one says 'our manufacturing'...@@jimmynich4791
I have an old Mercury that seems nicer to shoot and more accurate than the more recent Supersport/Lightning (in my hands at least). No BSA springer has ever matched the accuracy on tap from Weihrauchs and Gamos that I've owned although my little BSA Ultra has yet to be beaten by any .22 PCP including far more expensive air rifles. Sadly I've yet to get on with any Turkish made air rifle, be that springer or PCP. I've always suspected that the barrel quality is less refined than other makes.
For me...it's a toss of the coin between German or Finnish / Swedish engineering, They are the top manufacturers in the world as far as I'm concerned. Saying that SKOUT (USA) is a company that is causing a massive stir in the airgun scene. All the best and thanks for watching!
Oh i forgot to mention as for the myth i heard it had regulator issues , could that be why its hit n miss ?
I've replied on your previous comment. All the best
Didn’t like the lightning then?🤭 7:53
Glad you didn’t have any AA in there, but then you’ve only reviewed one. But I don’t understand why you didn’t like the scorpion they’re not too bad.
reximex is like snowpeak its a barrel lottery ive got one that shoots with my daystate revere out to 90 yds and one that will not shoot under 32mm at 30 yds needless to say i machined a lw for the bad one now its good to go minute of squirrel head out to 50 yds
Have to agree! All the best and thanks for watching
Loving your videos...
But 😉
Analysing the Reximex Myth vid and you can do this yourself. Compare the stock against your ear lobe, it's up and down. This will make a massive difference at 30M
I hope this helps in determining what's wrong. On one shot the love was 10mm higher.
Even squeezing the gun further into your check can make the difference between knocking the pip out of the target or not when one click of windage might be too much.
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It doesn’t matter how brilliant a BSA barrel is, because it’s only as good as the weakest link as you showed, I was surprised at the Snowpeaks grouping results I think manufacturers took a step backwards when they adopted self indexing magazines. When you think how soft lead is and how thin the skirt is so you force it against a stop and into the breach and then your surprised to have skirt deformation, Weihrauch have the right idea as did Daystate until the launch of the Huntsman Revere.
It would have been interesting to see if the group tightened up when using a loading tray or placing the pellet in the breach manually.
Yet another brilliant video though.👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. All the best
Had the bsa lightning what a joke,went back to bsa twice as the barrel pin kept going loose so much the barrel was rubbing the stock when you broke the barrel,had a full refund bough the 97 perfect
I have a BSA Ultra SE .22 multishot and I can shoot pellet on pellet with air arms diabolo field and never had and mag jams or any problems loading the pellets or mag
I'm happy for you, just wish I could say the same. All the best and thanks for watching.
Lost confidence with BSA after buying a new spitfire.first one ran 16fb so had to go back after big battle with the shop that sold it me (kranks .... dreadful customer service) next one started to leek after a year and nobody wants to touch it inc bsa who washed there hands of it....also had a walther century that just wouldn't group so that had to go ...
You would have thought BSA would do everything in their power to improve their products, instead they are going down the pan. It's a real shame.
Got one Ultra SE .177, a Ultra MMC .177 and a Ultra MMC .22 and I rejected Bisley pellets in all of them. They like JSB, AA Field and RWS Superfield. All three have bben utterly faultless the only problem being the early BSA mag where the O ring was too thin and not set deep enough. The newer mags are fine. The problems with the olders mags not feeding can be sorted by loading them from the opposite side tail first. Yes the trigger can be a bit sloppy with side to side play but nothing a thin shim can't sort in seconds. As for accuracy, use the right pellet and they are a one holer. Anyone can moan about any rifle and it gets attention but for every one of them there dozens who are 100% happy and just quietly get on with the job. It's the same with any brand..the malcontents make by far the most noise..
Did i miss something here ? I thought there would be a spoken section at the end for the ixia but it was all bsa .
Why was the ixia and myth so bad ? I have ordered the reximex pretensis so ill have it tomorrow to use . Any thoughts ?
Hi @pauljohnson9326...sorry for the late reply. Take a look at my reviews on the Myth: th-cam.com/video/ghJHTH2a3v0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mS9bxhO4UCDok3da and Ixia: th-cam.com/video/Cfr2VFlZ5LU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7I-yyKpzmvdEJJLn. They explain my findings. All the best and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for watching.
@@theGunLocker hey thank you for the link and I have watched just over half so far.
I am really hoping that the pretensis is better as I have ordered one which should be with me today or tomorrow. I wonder what your thoughts on that rifle is, would love to see a review . Thanks again and All the best mate.
get you some qys changed how some of my rifles worked especially snowpeak
I love honesty it’s great .. thank you the amount of guns I’ve brought that had a great review but have been absolute junk has been untrue
Thanks John! I can't believe how upset some people get with me for being honest and proffering my opinions. Anyway, all the best
Do you clean the barrels and then lead in on the rifles you review?
Yes I clean the barrels but I don't get the time to properly lead them in. I also have a limited budget to work with when reviewing rifles for dealers. Wish I could run a tin of pellets through each one first, but unfortunately, I simply cannot. All the best and thanks for watching.
I swear by H N Exite pellets, cheap pellets but spot, my gunshop sells loads of them, l have a lot of air rifles and they all seem to like them, most people think that expensive pellets are the only ones that are accurate.
H&N makes pellets for all sorts of brands...Bisley LRGs for example. All the best and thanks for taking the time to comment. Apologies for the late reply.
Had a bsa Springer and had the same problems a you
I don’t understand With the bsa lighting, you must have a doggy one, mine shoots at 35 40 yards within at 10 pence peace had it 9 months it’s been brilliant can’t fault it what so ever
Can you tell me what optics you are using fella?
I don't know you expect to shoot accurately with any rifle particularly air rifles, when the scope is mounted so high above the bore line.
Depends on the rifle...refer to my comments at the end of the video with the scope mount on the BSA Lightning - absolutely pointless. Some rifles have high scope rails. But saying that, once you know how your rifle shoots, it's more about getting your distance accurately measured before taking your shot and referring to your D.O.P.E card for placement. If the the rifle is consistently accurate, then shot placement should be consistent. All the best and thanks for watching.
Do you look down the bore to aim?
Many thanks for your reply. I consider it a design fault if a scope on any rifle cannot be mounted close as possible to the bore. One of the effects of a high mounted scope is to exaggerate the effect of any unintended cant and also in some cases to provide poor cheek weld.@@theGunLocker
BSA is owned by Gamo. They are over priced and under perform. They lie about specs. Hatsan, Crosman same. My beeman is great. Most German guns are very good even if from China like my Mantis 10616. 0.3" at 30 meters is not bad for a 177 break barrel shooting 1,000 fps Superdomes. Thanks for the honest reviews!
The whole point of youtube is video good or bad the footage should have been uploaded so the accuracy rant should be disregarded
Sometimes you have to make a point and the lack of footage can be a powerful tool! All the best and thanks for watching. By the way, it's not a rant, just me giving my honest opinion and recount of what happened.
@@theGunLockeryes but why not show the results? Why would you be embarrased to show the result of something that was not your fault?
Try H and N pellets
Hi @MrBlazzor, I do...they just don't look like them on the face of it! Bisley LRGs are made by H&N, as are Remington Thunder Barracudas and Diana Hi Powers. Thanks for watching and Happy New Year to you - all the best for 2024.
MMM KINDA A BIAS AGAINST BSA HERE I GUESS ,HAVE A LIGHTENING GR AND HAVENT EPERIENCED ANY OF THESE PROBS ,GROUPS WELL AT 25 M EASY TO COCK AND LOAD OK NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS MY BRK SNIPER BUT HEY NOWHERE NEARF TH EPRICE EITHE ,BOTH WORK WELL AS VARMINT GUNS FOR ME
I wish I had seen this video before I bought a BSA 177 lightning because if I had I wouldn't have bought the thing. 💩
Ooof! Not sure what to say except I am trying to get the word out! All the best and thanks for watching
One things for sure,. 22's ain't as accurate as. 177's, the proof was there in this vid.. Then again it's common knowledge, you stick ( say) 10 rifles in. 177 against there. 22 siblings, (that's 10 different brands) my guess is the. 177 would come out on top 9/10... Over your 30mtr range.. And in ideal conditions.. I realise that you might have been given duffers to test.. And I'm going a bit off topic.. But I had to get it off my chest..
Here we shoot our 22 at 980 fps, there accurate
That's not necessarily true Mark. Depends on the conditions. You know that lighter pellets get buffeted by the wind more than heavier ones! All the best and thanks for your continued support. How's the missus?
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Ahh that's why I said 30mtrs and ideal conditions... Mrs is OK.. Sent her off to work this morning, character building working Saturdays. Sticking by my guns here.. Still say. 177 is more accurate.. 😉
This to me is a unfair test this should be carried out indoors in identical conditions. Honesty is great if you're correct.
I don't why youtube wants to shame me like this. these 💩 guns are way out of my budget and better than any guns I own.
BSA made a big point on some reviews about the magazine and that's what caused a lot of the negative reviews??
Surprised about the Ixia, I like the look of that one
I have one in .177 and it is accurate. Well it is after i recrowned the barrel as it looked like the crown had been machined with a blunt stone.. was still more accurate at 30m than the one he reviewed though
The point is...you shouldn't have to do such things! All the best and thanks for watching!
@@theGunLocker no you shouldn’t but I sent the rifle back an even after speaking to their “gunsmith” and telling him what the problem was he fitted a new shroud an the same barrel, didn’t want to be without rifle for another 3 weeks so recrowned it myself
@@Airgunfunrich Fair play to you and great that you have the ability to do it!
Shoddy Q.C. from all concerned Mark! Hope your family is all o.k. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎😎
The new Diana's are a bit shart too...the quality has dropped off since Meyer sold them.... they've always made some odd engineering choices (bevel breeches, dogleg transfer ports etc) but now the finish isn't as good ....and the price hasn't dropped.
The latest Meteor is supposedly made in the UK...maybe that will shoot straighter
I want a Meteor Super, I think it looks good.
I've always bought bsa rifles excellent value for money but the gamo built meteor evo is garbage the trigger feels like trying to snapp a length of 3x2 with one finger
@@garynewsham9117 Lol, I'll steer clear of the Gamo built ones then. I've heard the BSA Lightning shoots better than the Lightning XL, I haven't had a chance to test that myself though. Perhaps with such a short barrel inside the shroud the XL was given a stronger spring to make it full power(?) which in turn made it loud, increased recoil and gave the trigger mechanism a more difficult task.
BSA is no longer BSA.... this is a GAMO.. pity.... My Old R10 is deadly accurate and well build... If you want a BSA, buy an old one
Workmen always blame their tools 🤔
hatsan junk on there?