14:27 There is a dedicated yellow fast idle knob on these bikes that you have to pull out when starting the bike. It will increase engine rpm to allow for the bike to warm up to prevent cold stalls. Let it run for 15-20 seconds then push the yellow knob back in. Doesn't stall anymore when I first start mine when doing this.
I’ve had the kit for 8 months, I deleted everything but I didn’t remove my thermostat yet. Maybe if I do more off-road. I ordered a different fan , a Tusk digital fan, that I can adjust when it comes on.
Thats a nice way to do it. I don't really ride stop and go traffic but I heard the fan come on once or twice stock but never after the vortex. I wasn't really worried only because I had read about it and was expecting that to happen.
Water cap secret, use needle nose pliers to grip closed end. Use other hand to get it started on nipple, then pry bar to fully seat. Less than 15 minutes and had to chase it around garage 2 times trying other methods
So I have a question when it comes to removing the thermostat… does the ecu still know what the engine temperature is and therefore can modulate the radiator fan to keep the bike cool? Or is the thermostat the only thing that reads temperature. In other words, is there anything to prevent the engine from overheating if you remove the thermostat and will the fan still come on at the pre designated temperature that it’s designed to come on at from the factory
I see people in the forums talking about how this delete kit is going to shorten the life of your bike and how there is no benefit and it would only hurt the bike because of temperature differences and the bike not getting up to operating temp. I have one thing to say about that: the 450R doesn't have a thermostat.
I agree with you. I've also thought about it more even since this video and part of me wonders if keeping the engine hot also makes the Catalytic converter happier as well which would technically make sense since those things get so dang hot
I got the thermostat on mine and the fan comes on all the time in slow stuff. I got vortex ecu and Yoshimura exhaust. I'm convinced you get much better gas mileage with the thermostat because it runs hotter. But I suppose eliminating a point of failure is worth it sometimes.
As it pertains to cars/trucks from my experience - you get worse mileage with thermostat removed as the vehicle will run rich until it’s at operating temp. Naturally, it probably won’t make it to that temp (185-205 degrees is kinda a normal range), and it will run rich all the time. Less efficient for sure. I’m not sure if these bikes have coolant temp sensors, and a pcm that has different fuel ratios programmed for different engine temps, but in cars that do it hurts economy.
@@DadsDomain its proving to be quite difficult to diagnose, the main issue is an idle speed of 2400 when it gets warm plus clouds of blue smoke. The ecu told me bad injector and engine temp switch. I replaced those and the problems the same... but the bike has more power now! The idle valve passes static tests so its a bit of a head scratcher. Im also involved in a vicious online hate attack by 2 idiots trying to destroy my channel so im a bit distracted right now while i serve them some revenge. :)
Informative and well done video. I guess my 2020 DRZ delete was the poor man version! Cost me almost nothing to complete. Keep in mind, the DRZ has less technology in it. The CRF450L is looking good. Keep those old parts brother!!! I am interested to know what temperatures you are making now?
I know with the XR650l I used to own the previous owner told me that the emissions were really easy to take off with a couple block plates. I wish this bike used the standard car interface for diagnostics because then I could pull temp data easily. I probably need to look into how it works so I can read what the computer is saying someday
They do make a 4 PIN to OBD2 so you can read live data from a scanner. Look on eBay, 4 PIN to OBD2 for Honda motorcycles. The 4 PIN plug is under the seat, not sure how this will work with the Vortex.
Just curious what heel guard Dan has on his bike? I like the contour that follows the sprocket vs the more square ones I've seen You should do overviews of both bikes soon covering all the smaller mods you've done. Also what mirrors does he use? I bought similar ones, but the adjustment isn't enough and visibility is basically zero out of them
Hey the heel guard I have is the “zeta” heel guard.. both me and Ryan have the same one.. as for the mirrors, I bought mine from soloracer.com, the street moto mirrors.. I switched my clutch and break levers to asv c6 fold away..., however when I did I lost the ability to use the stock mirrors on the clutch side at least because they screw into the oem clutch housing..that’s why I went with those ones..
This looks very overwhelming for me. I just bought a brand new 2022 crf450rl and I want to add a yoshi rs4 full exhaust the vortex ecu thos Smog/t-stat delete, the 3 gallon tank. Where do you live? I'd pay you to install all of this on my bike. I'm honestly just not a diy person.
Did removing the electrical confections off the charcoal canister and the smog pump do anything to the computer any check engine lights i have the crf450x i want to do that to
Great video, thank you. You actually helped me decide on which motorcycle to buy. I decided on the 2022 CRF 450RL. I’ve Ordered my seat concepts seat, and scaggs rack. I called and spoke to San Diego Powerhouse and they recommended the Pro Circuit pipe they stated it’s a better fit for Honda. Why did you choose the Yoshimura pipe? Also I just learned about a company near me that also does the ecu called Tokyo Mods did you explore their product? Thank you for your help and awesome videos.
Tokyo Mods for this bike is just selling the vortex where as San Diego Powerhouse has added maps to the vortex for their kit. I picked the Yoshi mainly because thats what factory honda uses so I just considered it the "Honda" of the aftermarket pipes and I love the black carbon end tip. However Pro Circuit makes really good parts so theres no issues with that at all and if they say it works better I think you'd be fine sticking with their recommendations. Congrats on the bike and accessories, you're going to love it!
@@nico562 I appreciate you thinking of me but right now the only way I get any referrals is through the Amazon program at our current channel size. I did reach out to Seat Concepts though when I ordered my seat and got a discount for doing the product video from them. San Diego Powerhouse and Skaggs are places that are small enough that they don't really do too much outreach stuff but at the end of the day I always try to just stick to the products I want and not be influenced into junk for a few pennies! Anyways, thanks again!
I spoke with Tokyo Mods yesterday (10-31-22) and they also sell the A.I.M.s and GET ECUs "GET will be in any day now" You have to buy the Vortex directly from the MFG as they are not shipping presently.
Are you planning on doing a comparison between your bike and the one with the Powerhouse kit installed at all? I'm wondering on how much a 50% increase in power looks like side by side. I've already purchased the cam parts (they're reselling the R\RX cam, springs and rockers) but unsure of wanting to spend the money to get their ECU and mapping.
If anyone is interested in the kit mentioned at 5:50 it's from Champion Adventures. It's considerably more expensive, but looks more OEM in my opinion.
In my opinion, the San Diego powerhouse kit is a much better buy. The champion adventures kit does not include a billet aluminum thermostat replacement piece, it’s milled from plastic. And the water pump housing that he says is a custom made billet piece, is just the stock Honda housing with a bolt threaded into the hose bib that gets deleted. And he sells it for about twice the price. I think it’s worth half of what the San Diego powerhouse kit is.
With all due respect you're wrong on both counts. The CA kit is billet aluminum with the same coating on it that Hinson uses on their clutch covers. Also Colton (owner of CA) clearly states they modify your original 4 way (hence why you have to send yours in). However if you're an international customer he sends you a new, modified 4 way included in the price. I own a CA kit and can 100% guarantee it's not plastic. Colton has also confirmed this in emails before I purchased it.
@@treeafodo1 okay so I was wrong on the thermostat piece, but I know that “modified 4-way” is just the stock housing with a cut bib and a bolt threaded into the hose fitting.
I agree with almost everything but tossing anything away you never know always good to have back up parts I'm not a hoarder I'm a Recycler lol the smog junk could always be sold some people do like stock parts
@@DadsDomain No you do not. Behind the vortex ECU there is a blank pin, you pop it out. Take a wire and attach it to that pin and ground it to the negative terminal on the bike. You then turn on the bike, crank it for 5 seconds (engine does not start because you grounded the wire).. Turn off, turn the throttle to max position while cranking the engine for 5 seconds. The new TPS is saved in the ECU. Pretty easy to do. You should do it to get the max benefits of this ECU.
So is there a way to do the smog delete without taking the thermostat off? I kinda like the idea of having a thermo but I want to open the engine bay up and get rid of all the unnecessary stuff.
I think as long as you plug the air box and intake you would be fine. But be sure to wrap the lose electrical connections and or see if you can order a blank plug
Why dont u just take the thermostat out of the thermostat housing? In cold weather the motor wont burn fuel efficiently and the gas will find its way to the oil sump, which will degrade the oil. Bad for moving parts.
Without a thermostat engine may not stay at proper operating temp. Efficiency, power, and wear may all suffer. I wouldn't do it even if it saved 20 lbs.
I don't disagree with you, but at the same time go to John T Youngs channel. He's way past 10k on his and its fine and he took this off a long time ago
I feel like I sorta agree with you on this. I'm torn. I ordered it, then canceled the order, because I kept reading about something called piston wall wash, where your bike never reaches optional operating temperature due to the absence of a valve. I'm super confused
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Dude, thank you. I just got my kit installed and everything hooked up perfectly thanks to this video!!
14:27 There is a dedicated yellow fast idle knob on these bikes that you have to pull out when starting the bike. It will increase engine rpm to allow for the bike to warm up to prevent cold stalls. Let it run for 15-20 seconds then push the yellow knob back in. Doesn't stall anymore when I first start mine when doing this.
Mine also used to have trouble starting till I took the AIS off. It also stopped the deceleration popping you get from the Vortex.
I’ve had the kit for 8 months, I deleted everything but I didn’t remove my thermostat yet. Maybe if I do more off-road. I ordered a different fan , a Tusk digital fan, that I can adjust when it comes on.
Thats a nice way to do it. I don't really ride stop and go traffic but I heard the fan come on once or twice stock but never after the vortex. I wasn't really worried only because I had read about it and was expecting that to happen.
Can you just remove the thermostat itself out of the houseing would that do the same thing
Water cap secret, use needle nose pliers to grip closed end. Use other hand to get it started on nipple, then pry bar to fully seat. Less than 15 minutes and had to chase it around garage 2 times trying other methods
Nice informative video, I am now convinced that the 650L is a better bike for me.
Ya i think a few block off plates from Ebay for cheap takes care of all of its stuff.
So I have a question when it comes to removing the thermostat… does the ecu still know what the engine temperature is and therefore can modulate the radiator fan to keep the bike cool? Or is the thermostat the only thing that reads temperature. In other words, is there anything to prevent the engine from overheating if you remove the thermostat and will the fan still come on at the pre designated temperature that it’s designed to come on at from the factory
I see people in the forums talking about how this delete kit is going to shorten the life of your bike and how there is no benefit and it would only hurt the bike because of temperature differences and the bike not getting up to operating temp. I have one thing to say about that: the 450R doesn't have a thermostat.
I agree with you. I've also thought about it more even since this video and part of me wonders if keeping the engine hot also makes the Catalytic converter happier as well which would technically make sense since those things get so dang hot
I got the thermostat on mine and the fan comes on all the time in slow stuff. I got vortex ecu and Yoshimura exhaust. I'm convinced you get much better gas mileage with the thermostat because it runs hotter. But I suppose eliminating a point of failure is worth it sometimes.
I will have to watch it and see if it changes. I have some local loops I do that I know the mpg on and will see if it changes
As it pertains to cars/trucks from my experience - you get worse mileage with thermostat removed as the vehicle will run rich until it’s at operating temp. Naturally, it probably won’t make it to that temp (185-205 degrees is kinda a normal range), and it will run rich all the time. Less efficient for sure. I’m not sure if these bikes have coolant temp sensors, and a pcm that has different fuel ratios programmed for different engine temps, but in cars that do it hurts economy.
Ha.. Watching this two years later I forgot about the fast idle on this bike. Since adding the Vortex at the start it just killed the need for it.
I live up in northern Michigan, and will do a lot of riding in cold weather. I assume it would be best to leave the thermostat alone correct?
I personally wouldn’t. I bet you could plug most of the connections I did with parts from a hardware store and still remove a lot of excess items
I asked this question with Taco Moto. They said unless you ride warm to hot desert conditions at wide open throttle, leave the thermostat in.
Nicely made video mr Domain, the 450 RL has come to town and everyones going bananas over it.
...except me, my 250 has blown up. :(
Did it blow up from getting water logged or something else?
@@DadsDomain its proving to be quite difficult to diagnose, the main issue is an idle speed of 2400 when it gets warm plus clouds of blue smoke. The ecu told me bad injector and engine temp switch. I replaced those and the problems the same... but the bike has more power now!
The idle valve passes static tests so its a bit of a head scratcher.
Im also involved in a vicious online hate attack by 2 idiots trying to destroy my channel so im a bit distracted right now while i serve them some revenge. :)
I’m not going to take my thermostat off but I’m going to try and delete all the smog stuff this week . Any special parts you used to do so?
Hey! Have you noticed any metal particles in your coolant when installing the kit, please? Thank you.
Informative and well done video. I guess my 2020 DRZ delete was the poor man version! Cost me almost nothing to complete. Keep in mind, the DRZ has less technology in it. The CRF450L is looking good. Keep those old parts brother!!! I am interested to know what temperatures you are making now?
I know with the XR650l I used to own the previous owner told me that the emissions were really easy to take off with a couple block plates. I wish this bike used the standard car interface for diagnostics because then I could pull temp data easily. I probably need to look into how it works so I can read what the computer is saying someday
They do make a 4 PIN to OBD2 so you can read live data from a scanner. Look on eBay, 4 PIN to OBD2 for Honda motorcycles. The 4 PIN plug is under the seat, not sure how this will work with the Vortex.
Just curious what heel guard Dan has on his bike? I like the contour that follows the sprocket vs the more square ones I've seen
You should do overviews of both bikes soon covering all the smaller mods you've done.
Also what mirrors does he use? I bought similar ones, but the adjustment isn't enough and visibility is basically zero out of them
Hey the heel guard I have is the “zeta” heel guard.. both me and Ryan have the same one.. as for the mirrors, I bought mine from soloracer.com, the street moto mirrors.. I switched my clutch and break levers to asv c6 fold away..., however when I did I lost the ability to use the stock mirrors on the clutch side at least because they screw into the oem clutch housing..that’s why I went with those ones..
Did you ever weight out the parts you took off? Curious what the total is.
I only did the smog delete kit, and it was a 4.5lb weight savings!
Awesome, helpful Video. Thanks.
This looks very overwhelming for me. I just bought a brand new 2022 crf450rl and I want to add a yoshi rs4 full exhaust the vortex ecu thos Smog/t-stat delete, the 3 gallon tank. Where do you live? I'd pay you to install all of this on my bike. I'm honestly just not a diy person.
How much weight do you think you saved removing the unneeded components?
I can leave the thermostat in but take off everything else correct?
Let’s goooooooo that’s awesome
Can I do this with out a tune
I ran the crankcase breather into the air box
Did removing the electrical confections off the charcoal canister and the smog pump do anything to the computer any check engine lights i have the crf450x i want to do that to
The only sensor on the bike is for fuel air mixture. No sensor for emissions.
Great video, thank you. You actually helped me decide on which motorcycle to buy. I decided on the 2022 CRF 450RL. I’ve Ordered my seat concepts seat, and scaggs rack. I called and spoke to San Diego Powerhouse and they recommended the Pro Circuit pipe they stated it’s a better fit for Honda. Why did you choose the Yoshimura pipe? Also I just learned about a company near me that also does the ecu called Tokyo Mods did you explore their product? Thank you for your help and awesome videos.
Tokyo Mods for this bike is just selling the vortex where as San Diego Powerhouse has added maps to the vortex for their kit. I picked the Yoshi mainly because thats what factory honda uses so I just considered it the "Honda" of the aftermarket pipes and I love the black carbon end tip. However Pro Circuit makes really good parts so theres no issues with that at all and if they say it works better I think you'd be fine sticking with their recommendations. Congrats on the bike and accessories, you're going to love it!
@@DadsDomain Thank you!!! Is there any way when I purchase things you recommend you get credit or acknowledged.
@@nico562 I appreciate you thinking of me but right now the only way I get any referrals is through the Amazon program at our current channel size. I did reach out to Seat Concepts though when I ordered my seat and got a discount for doing the product video from them. San Diego Powerhouse and Skaggs are places that are small enough that they don't really do too much outreach stuff but at the end of the day I always try to just stick to the products I want and not be influenced into junk for a few pennies! Anyways, thanks again!
I spoke with Tokyo Mods yesterday (10-31-22) and they also sell the A.I.M.s and GET ECUs "GET will be in any day now" You have to buy the Vortex directly from the MFG as they are not shipping presently.
Are you planning on doing a comparison between your bike and the one with the Powerhouse kit installed at all? I'm wondering on how much a 50% increase in power looks like side by side. I've already purchased the cam parts (they're reselling the R\RX cam, springs and rockers) but unsure of wanting to spend the money to get their ECU and mapping.
Yes its something I really want to do, couple spring chores eating up some of my weekends but I do want to do it
Nice video
If anyone is interested in the kit mentioned at 5:50 it's from Champion Adventures. It's considerably more expensive, but looks more OEM in my opinion.
Ah thank you! I couldn't remember
In my opinion, the San Diego powerhouse kit is a much better buy. The champion adventures kit does not include a billet aluminum thermostat replacement piece, it’s milled from plastic. And the water pump housing that he says is a custom made billet piece, is just the stock Honda housing with a bolt threaded into the hose bib that gets deleted. And he sells it for about twice the price. I think it’s worth half of what the San Diego powerhouse kit is.
With all due respect you're wrong on both counts. The CA kit is billet aluminum with the same coating on it that Hinson uses on their clutch covers. Also Colton (owner of CA) clearly states they modify your original 4 way (hence why you have to send yours in). However if you're an international customer he sends you a new, modified 4 way included in the price.
I own a CA kit and can 100% guarantee it's not plastic. Colton has also confirmed this in emails before I purchased it.
@@treeafodo1 okay so I was wrong on the thermostat piece, but I know that “modified 4-way” is just the stock housing with a cut bib and a bolt threaded into the hose fitting.
I agree with almost everything but tossing anything away you never know always good to have back up parts I'm not a hoarder I'm a Recycler lol the smog junk could always be sold some people do like stock parts
....my dad took it all and kept it in the end. So in the end I got to keep it all but don't have to store it! 😂
@@DadsDomain Ha that's awesome
What size bar risers did you use, and was it enough at your height?
I just used the pro taper 7/8 to 1 1/8 universal adapters. They give you 3/4” rise and I am happy with them
Did you set the min/max TPS in the vortex ecu? Maybe that is why it dies cold?
No I didn’t touch it. I think you need the laptop adapter to do that?
@@DadsDomain No you do not. Behind the vortex ECU there is a blank pin, you pop it out. Take a wire and attach it to that pin and ground it to the negative terminal on the bike. You then turn on the bike, crank it for 5 seconds (engine does not start because you grounded the wire).. Turn off, turn the throttle to max position while cranking the engine for 5 seconds. The new TPS is saved in the ECU. Pretty easy to do. You should do it to get the max benefits of this ECU.
Thanks I will give that a shot
How much did it cost
Nice
Was the cam install worth it?
He would do it all over again.....I'm happy with the power I have personally
Can i leave the thermostat and just delete the smog emissions stuff????
So is there a way to do the smog delete without taking the thermostat off? I kinda like the idea of having a thermo but I want to open the engine bay up and get rid of all the unnecessary stuff.
I think as long as you plug the air box and intake you would be fine. But be sure to wrap the lose electrical connections and or see if you can order a blank plug
Why dont u just take the thermostat out of the thermostat housing? In cold weather the motor wont burn fuel efficiently and the gas will find its way to the oil sump, which will degrade the oil. Bad for moving parts.
The tube on the valve cover goes into the air box for ventilation, not under the bike.
Without a thermostat engine may not stay at proper operating temp. Efficiency, power, and wear may all suffer. I wouldn't do it even if it saved 20 lbs.
I don't disagree with you, but at the same time go to John T Youngs channel. He's way past 10k on his and its fine and he took this off a long time ago
I feel like I sorta agree with you on this. I'm torn. I ordered it, then canceled the order, because I kept reading about something called piston wall wash, where your bike never reaches optional operating temperature due to the absence of a valve. I'm super confused
Not a 'screw', not a seal. No wonder you did cam 3x...step away from the tools🤣
That made me laugh, what can I say. Tech or mechanical I learn the most when I break stuff
Couldn't you just take the thermostat out of the housing?