M2 Ultra BLEW MY MIND 😳

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    Apple's new M2 Ultra chip blew me away. I was not expecting much from this thing, but after running some of my usual tests I was gobsmacked by the amount of performance gains compared to last year's M1 Ultra. Today we'll run some gaming benchmarks, video editing, 3D modeling and rendering, and of course Cinebench and GFXBench to go through exactly how fast this new chip is!
    time stamps
    0:00 intro
    0:41 coil whine?
    1:20 Why spend more?
    3:09 Cinebench R23
    4:20 Thermal testing
    4:46 Blender CPU
    5:05 GFXBench GPU test
    5:43 3DMark
    6:16 Blender GPU rendering
    7:52 Tomb Raider FPS
    8:33 Video Editing
    10:33 M2 Ultra is seriously impressive!
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  • @lukemiani
    @lukemiani  ปีที่แล้ว +196

    I love that TH-cam says 'processing 4K' when it's not even showing 1080p. That's fun

    • @MadaraStv
      @MadaraStv ปีที่แล้ว +11

      360p is all I need

    • @jackpriddy1067
      @jackpriddy1067 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Seems like youtube's servers need some M2 Ultras

    • @tecoz3083
      @tecoz3083 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ye watching in 360p is amazing

    • @HOMEWORKJONES
      @HOMEWORKJONES ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah its killing me, i thought something was wrong on my end

    • @tecoz3083
      @tecoz3083 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HOMEWORKJONES nah it's yt skill issue

  • @jonathanboice
    @jonathanboice ปีที่แล้ว +150

    The reason for 2x increase was apple added a controller chip make use for all the cores for load balancing unlike the M1 ultra which required the ram to max out before it used it 😊

    • @TheRealMafoo
      @TheRealMafoo ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yea, so if you had tested the M1 Ultra by doing 100 different things at the same time, it would have looked a lot faster then the Max. It just wasn't good at doing 1 thing faster. The M2 Ultra should be better at this.

    • @whophd
      @whophd ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Can we … spend more time talking about this please? It's super interesting and I wish I understood. (Is this different to the M1 Ultra needing 128 GB to reach full speed?)

    • @jonathanboice
      @jonathanboice ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I not sure I can find the clip, but Apple them selfs indicated this was a change they made from the M1 Ultra stating that it was crazy good if you wanted to do 100 parallel tasks, but if you wanted scaling on a single task it would not do it, part of this is to do with the scaling logic, it required the memory within the chip to large enough to distribute the work load, so this is why you saw very different results from task to task, and why for example a game would get one result and another would get a different one all about memory buffer size. of course of this was also to do with software venders being lazy and not scaling their tasks properly as well, but from an architecture point of view Its two M1 Max joined together with massive buffers and huge pipe lanes connecting them. so it took a lot to use the other half or the chip, which is why many results show it slightly faster then an M1 Max. Enter the M2 ultra again its a M2 Max combined, but the difference is the software stack, and the new integrated memory and management controller helps use all the cores and threads for better allrounded tasks not just the ones that max the memory buffer. So yes their is a performance boost from M1 to M2 but not a huge one as you see on the single purpose chips, add a proper task scaler, and bam, you get double the performance on the M2 Ultra as its not waiting to use the other half of the chip. my guess if you could max out the M1 Ultra and did the same with the M2 ultra the results would be closer to 10% - 20% increase in performance between the two chips, but it goes to show you can have all the power in the world if you can not use it, makes it pointless.
      Hope that helps make it a little clearer why they showing up now as almost 50% increase in results, still the scaling is impressive, and a 20% increase is nothing to be scoffed at, especially if your coming form an older Mac, from last years M1 to this years M2 less of an upgrade generally speaking, its more spec bump performance you would expect year on year.

    • @MichaelGGarry
      @MichaelGGarry ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jonathanboice "this was also to do with software venders being lazy and not scaling their tasks properly as well" - Lazy? Depending on software involved, that can be either very hard (including massive re-writes and testing) or impossible. Some tasks simply cannot be split.

    • @jonathanboice
      @jonathanboice ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MichaelGGarry Sure in some cases depending on how you have your software core coded, and which tool chains you used can be extremely hard to do, but if you are a true native Mac developer its no less easy but apple provide a number of API's and tools and allow for better segmenting of code blocks for better scaling on multi core CPU's, maybe the word "lazy" was not correct but you get my point, its more to point out the discrepancies between bench marks, and program to program. And there is of course reasons and justifications for why developers choose to approach their build of their software the way they do. I should know I built enough of them at this stage, but I hope it's all making sense, not trying to attack anyone where, just point out the reasons between the two processor results.

  • @JR-uy2nd
    @JR-uy2nd ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Hearing that coil whine, I could only take one thing. Dell is making the mac studio motherboards.

    • @AlienGrade
      @AlienGrade ปีที่แล้ว +5

      With time and dust that Coil Whine will exponentialy get louder.

    • @petrzurek5713
      @petrzurek5713 ปีที่แล้ว

      So true 😂 Still, it is “only” an acoustic issue, does not impact function in any way

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl ปีที่แล้ว

      @@petrzurek5713 i consider silent operation a feature of Apple Silicon, this is a no go :/

    • @Epicgamer_Mac
      @Epicgamer_Mac ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnSmith-pn2vl He did say tho, it didn't happen again. Maybe it was just warming up for the first time lol

    • @Syntappi
      @Syntappi ปีที่แล้ว

      I have multiple Dell computers (like 8) and none of them have coil whine 🤷‍♀

  • @joseteixeira5900
    @joseteixeira5900 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    The M2 sub architecture is quite different than M1, it is not THAT minor upgrade from M1. In some tests maybe are equal bit the M2 ultra was made to scale better on video demanding than M1 ultra

    • @barcigian
      @barcigian ปีที่แล้ว +7

      M2 is M1 on steroids, basically. It carries out the same project.

    • @chidorirasenganz
      @chidorirasenganz ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah the whole “it’s just upclocked” is overblown. The efficiency cores are different. The media engine is different. There’s more GPU cores. I think the memory bandwidth is increased as well.

    • @joseteixeira5900
      @joseteixeira5900 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@barcigian kind of…the family is the same but the sub architecture is not. They made a few changes on caches and some logic integers to obtain the desire scalability that the M1 ultra could not achieve

    • @siryoda8145
      @siryoda8145 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah . . . it appears that it is some combination of both hardware and software (firmware, specifically). Unclear if the hardware is only the increased cache. In the end, the encoders across both M2 Max halves of the M2 Ultra seem to be operating as one would hope . . . in parallel on a single encode task/flow. As opposed to having to set things up so that you are running two encodes at the same time, which is what you had to do with the M1 Ultra to get the best usage.

    • @joseteixeira5900
      @joseteixeira5900 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@siryoda8145 Apple knew the M1 ultra was not scaling as it should, even with app optimizations. Yes firmware polishing across, more sub-caches as well. For me it seems they are paving a good way for the upcoming M3 variants.

  • @joeljenkins9424
    @joeljenkins9424 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    What I heard was the M1 Ultra would only use 1 Media Encoder chip per stream, but now the M2 Ultra will use both encoders on one stream.

  • @jameswallace6249
    @jameswallace6249 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Another reason to love the M2 lineup: Mac Pro 2019 prices are tanking and I just picked one up way lower than average price on eBay this week 😅 I can now say bye to multiple machines 🎉

    • @creativestudio101
      @creativestudio101 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I just bought a 2019, 16" MacBook Pro for just over $950, as a way to wait out for lower prices and better options on the M chips and it's been great. I had been wanting to get the larger screen on the M1 but the prices are just too much. Now the new Mac Studio or even the new 15" MacBook Air are good options. But now I can wait it out even longer, I'm pretty happy so far with the 2019, 16".

  • @aminorjourney
    @aminorjourney ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I COMPLETELY hear you @Luke Miani, but...
    As a TH-cam content creator @Transportevolved and someone who films in 6k raw, (we do a lot of car stuff), I'm looking at the Pro as an upgrade from my 2017 iMac Pro 128GB/2TB/10-core for several big reasons.
    First, I have a LOT of external hard drives on my desk for personal stuff, some of which is now fast-approaching 12 years old. Being able to remove the clutter on my desk and put them inside the Mac Pro will certainly free up space.
    Second, we have a 10GBe network, and being able to set up a machine to direct connect at 20 Gbps to our 450 TB video server (again, because we're automotive we have to use a LOT of library footage and a LOT of previous video footage) is very tempting.
    Third, we do audio processing and third-party video production too. That puts a LOT of strain on hard disks, and being able to add third-party SSDs internally as scratch volumes sounds like a great idea (our Final Cut Pro and Davinci edit sessions are often slowed down by full cache drives, as are our Pro Tools sessions).
    I know I'm probably putting the pro into Pro, and yes, I think the studio would be a great upgrade form our existing iMac Pro and all the cables hanging off it (three SSDs and four spinning drives) but honestly, I am also really excited to see how much faster I can make the M2 Ultra if everything is internal fast (even though I know the PCIe lanes are awkwardly shared)
    Looking forward to your review ;)

    • @chidorirasenganz
      @chidorirasenganz ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting to hear about your use case. Also love your channel ❤

    • @frostgodx
      @frostgodx ปีที่แล้ว

      None of those things need the pro just use up to date solutions and data transfer over Thunderbolt connection. The rest is your lack of organization and ability to condense history into a forgivable medium that’s not clutter. Disposable profit/income on the other hand makes these non issues I suppose and it’s much easier to pull the trigger on the pro in your case so I guess that’s made for you after all. Cheers

    • @aminorjourney
      @aminorjourney ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@frostgodx Actually, disposable income isn't big. I just like to invest in solutions that will be elegant and reliable. And yeah, we need to concatenate our drives (most of these are ones that have been inherited over the years). But with a half petabyte of storage for the company over 10GBe, I'd prefer not to have huge numbers of thunderbolt drives hanging off any replacement machine. The Mac Pro felt like an elegant solution to get everything in one place for my personal stuff (leaving the server for server stuff)

    • @frostgodx
      @frostgodx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aminorjourney that makes sense. It is in fact a good business investment in your case.

  • @ActualMediaArt
    @ActualMediaArt ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When 1080p hasn't loaded yet

  • @DavidJBradshaw
    @DavidJBradshaw ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Did you retest the M1 Ultra or use last years figures? Just wondering if the improvements are in part down to driver updates for the Ultra.

    • @FOBob-sr1fd
      @FOBob-sr1fd ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wow. Good comment.

    • @someghosts
      @someghosts ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great point. Curious about this just testing current m1 and pro chips against old and new drivers too

    • @Epicgamer_Mac
      @Epicgamer_Mac ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good point, I did ask them to compare them a couple days ago, and they replied and said that video is in the works so I’m hoping we’ll get it soon.

  • @soulinspiration1
    @soulinspiration1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I purchased the M2 Max Studio. I don't see myself buying another desktop for 10 years. I imagine Ultra would keep me most from buying another desktop for 15 years!

  • @ai42
    @ai42 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    The only thing that would make the Mac Pro justify the cost is if they sell the SoC as an upgradeable board in a few years.

    • @TheStopwatchGod
      @TheStopwatchGod ปีที่แล้ว +26

      DDR5 slots + Unified built-in memory and compute modules for the PCIe slots would make the Mac Pro worth it. It has a 1.28kW power supply, Apple might as well use it to it's full extent

    • @Tvj_films8452
      @Tvj_films8452 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TheStopwatchGod whoever gets this mac pro version gona get screwed cuz I'm pretty sure next version should be much better. It seems like they released it just to get it done and over with since it was over due.

    • @mathmanchris666
      @mathmanchris666 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tvj_films8452 that's what leakers are saying, because if this was how the Mac Pro would have always stayed, then they would have taken some of the equipment out like the monster power supply and the gigantic motherboard. apple probably released it to get it done like u said and is waiting for m3

    • @Malc180s
      @Malc180s ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheStopwatchGod Slower memory wouldn't help.

    • @TheStopwatchGod
      @TheStopwatchGod ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Malc180s The unified memory in this approach would get used first, then it would use the DDR5 memory as swap. It's not as great as having more unified memory, but it's better than using SSD as swap, and the SSDs will last longer

  • @PCJesus0
    @PCJesus0 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    WHY IS IT STUCK AT 360p?!!

  • @andrewbutler9533
    @andrewbutler9533 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Impressive as hell! I bought an M2 Pro Mac Mini (binned chip), instead of the M1 Max Studio back in March. For my needs, I don't regret not waiting, and for the money I paid and performance I need, I'm satisfied with the 2 grand I spent.

  • @CityPlannerPlays
    @CityPlannerPlays ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for testing the Final Cut export times! I just ordered one today and have been hoping that I made the right choice. I create videos that are 35-55 minutes long with effects, color grading, etc and the exports on my M1 Max Macbook Pro can be long. Catching an error can be absolutely devastating if I need to re-render and I recently had to do so three times for one video (hours and hours of rendering). This sounds like it's going to solve my biggest problem, so money well spent! Curious about your specs, though - did I miss it?

    • @DavidJBradshaw
      @DavidJBradshaw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m wondering now if your also playing Skylines on a Mac as well? It seems CS2 has no Mac support when it comes out in October.

    • @CityPlannerPlays
      @CityPlannerPlays ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DavidJBradshaw I have CS on my Mac for quick pictures and the like, but it runs so poorly in comparison to PC, that I don't really use it for anything more.
      I don't know anything more than you, but I'm going to speculate that they're holding off on a Mac port until the proton-like conversion layer is ready for primetime. The CEO said all versions of the game are the same this time around, so bringing in Aspyr for a conversion isn't the route they're aiming for. Again, all speculation, but I think it could be why nothing has been said regarding a Mac release.
      I have seen probably a hundred comments on my videos recently asking about Mac support. I'll compile these and send to my contacts as CO/Paradox. Idk if it'll help, but it can't hurt.

  • @stopthefomo
    @stopthefomo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Glad I waited until now to get the Studio M2 Ultra (for 8K editing) now for real thunderbolt usb NVME SSD external drive cases!

    • @njpme
      @njpme ปีที่แล้ว

      Not fomo this time? 😂

    • @jessecumberledge4530
      @jessecumberledge4530 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dunno Fomo, my 4090 pc is devouring footage, and I edit pretty complex footage. Hope it works well for you!

  • @rjsampsonjr
    @rjsampsonjr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @lukemiani did you rerun the M1 Ultra tests with the current version of Final Cut and Mac OS or did you pull your results from last year? Just curious if software improvements accounted for the crazy gains.

  • @hobbes1231
    @hobbes1231 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Luke! I've been digging your vids for quite a while now
    I am a music professional(sometimes video editor) that had a slower experience transitioning to the M series chips (did try out a M1 Macbook Air for portable) due to music plugin compatibilities that was critical for work.
    hence the music industry isn't the most flourished in budgets, I loved how you showed us how to mod or upgrade macs with less cost/guide to buy used in the past.
    in 2018 I've purchased an intel mac mini with an egpu(6corei7 vega64 8gb stock 8to64gb ram) and felt some lag when it comes to 4K footage(braw davinci resolve)with fusion text and effects/multiple footage simultaneously(1080 timeline was fine).
    I upgraded the egpu to a 6800xt16gb in March2022. that was an awesome leap in editing smoothness.
    Then in Decemer 2022 I bought a used iMac Pro(vega6416gb 10core 4tbssd 128gb ram). With the egpu6800xt plugged in, dual gpu vega64 and 6800xt didn't work so efficiently as I thought it would in Resolve. I expected Resolve would handle dual gpus with equal 16gbvram better.
    My question is that with your imac pro and an egu(if you have one), how does the performance look like compared to the Mac studio line up? and how do you observe the importance when it comes to RAM/VRAM for effects and color grading?
    sorry to be so specific, now that the music plugins are adjusting to ARM chips, I am thinking of going to a Mac Studio, or upgrading my imac pro to 18core/7900ish(if a newer OS allows it)
    If you feel like you have the time to justify the experiment, it will be very appreciated. thx!!

  • @RobbyHuang
    @RobbyHuang ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, what’s the difference between render and export in Final Cut? I don’t use Final Cut so apologies if this is an obvious question.

  • @billknight7342
    @billknight7342 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I seem to remember hearing the M1 Ultra had a problem with a buffer that was too small between chips which they fixed on the M2 Ultra

  • @AnthonyHortin
    @AnthonyHortin ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for doing the Blender comparisons. The M2 Ultra makes my Intel Core-i5 Mac Mini look like a bucket of bolts!

  • @rpst39
    @rpst39 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Where the Mac Pro would make sense is if you need a bunch of internal storage.
    Mac Studio can only go up to 8TB but with the Mac Pro you can just buy pcie to nvme adapters and throw some nvme drives in there. You can put like around 128TB of nvme storage to that.

    • @projiuk
      @projiuk ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also live tv broadcasting… having the ability to take and encode 24 streams of 4k in real time using one computer would be really useful. Especially if broadcasting “on the road”

  • @LeeBlaske
    @LeeBlaske ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've got a 2019 Mac Pro, and I'm going to upgrade to either a new Mac Pro or Mac Studio. At first, considering the computing power is the same, the Mac Studio looked like the obvious choice. But, I'm going to be using it in my recording studio, and I need quiet. I also need a LOT of NVMe storage. I've been doing a lot of looking around, and I'm not finding good NVMe enclosures for multiple sticks that are quiet. The OWC 4M2 and Mercury U.2 are reviewed as being very loud. OWC DOES have the silent Thunder Blade Thunderbolt drives, but they are VERY expensive, and only Thunderbolt 3. If instead, I buy some of the OWC PCIe 4 NVMe cards with the big heat sink, I can save a lot of money. And, I'll get better than Thunderbolt 3 speeds. Also, I currently have one of those two 3.5" mechanical drive SATA carriers in my Mac Pro for long-term archival storage and Time Machine (two WD 18Tb drives). Those work great, and I can't hear them (and, I've already bought them, and the carrier). The fans and cooling design in the Mac Pro is top notch. With the Apple Silicon running cooler than Intel, the fans should be even better.
    So, adding up the expense of enclosures and cabling I'd need for a Mac Studio, and the hassle of fan noise in external cases, not to mention the clutter of cabling and wall warts, the extra $3k for the Mac Pro isn't looking that bad. 32Tb of SSD on a Thunder Blade would cost $5,500. 32Tb of Crucial P3 + 4Tb chips, and two OWC 4 NVMe cards would only cost $2,358 (and they'd be faster inside the Mac Pro). A couple of extra Thunderbolt ports, and an additional HDMI port is frosting on the cake.
    If you need a lot of SSD, and you need quiet, the Mac Pro might save you money, and be a cleaner solution. I'm sure the Mac Studio is quiet, but dealing with noisy external drive fans is a PITA, and you really can't get a Thunderbolt cable long enough to put them far away.

  • @WendyDunham
    @WendyDunham ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Luke, which Mac Studio Ultra did you test? Base 24-core CPU/60-core GPU or upgraded 24-core CPU/76-core GPU?

    • @JasonRShort
      @JasonRShort ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m wondering the same thing… is it worth the extra $1K for the extra GPU cores?

    • @josehvelez1960
      @josehvelez1960 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also have the exact same question!

  • @chinamobilemag
    @chinamobilemag ปีที่แล้ว

    Strange you haven't heard the coil whine before. My M1 Max 16" MBP did it already and my M2 Max 16" does it again. Happens every time the GPU is loaded intensely, especially with benchmarks running offscreen tests on it.

  • @techeddie
    @techeddie ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It’s able to export so much faster because last years encode/decode cores ran in parallel so they could not both be used simultaneously. This generations chip can now use both chips simultaneously on one task instead of spilt over multi tasks.

  • @burhan7260
    @burhan7260 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello. Should I buy the new MacbookPro M3 Max or the Mac Studio M2 Ultra for general use with Blender 3D and Xcode? In some Geekbench tests, I've read that the new M3 achieves similar results to the M2 Ultra. What makes more sense at the moment? Portability doesn't matter, speed and performance are crucial. I'm looking forward to your recommendations. Thank you.

  • @Mikivli
    @Mikivli ปีที่แล้ว

    So are you keeping this or sticking to last years model cause at this point in the m processors they’re overkill for people like you and most TH-camrs unless they’re 3d modeling, etc. what’s your main computer I’m genuinely curious

  • @doctorscoot
    @doctorscoot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it … i/o bandwidth? On the export especially. Or memory bandwidth? E.g. dual channel or single channel bandwidth. Also, maybe Apple is using an improved version of TSMC’s fabric on the silicon dies with the interconnects on the ultra. If there’s a new upgrade fabric, then that suggests at least part of the reason the performance is scaling linearly on the m2 ultra over the m1 ultra. And that sort of thing might also explain part of the performance edge that the m2 max has over the m1 ultra too (better comms inside the die and between between it and the peripherals).

  • @techcast2428
    @techcast2428 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    why is it in 360p?

  • @wbh2cool
    @wbh2cool ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any Luke Miani video is a great video...always on point.

  • @jasonmays1844
    @jasonmays1844 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hands down, my favorite tech show! Keep ‘em coming!

  • @Geoffreymmckee
    @Geoffreymmckee ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are lots of professional environments where PCIE slots are a must have. And 3k to have those is nothing for the operations that need them. Like some large recording studios. That Mac is probably one of the least expensive things in the room. Although I wish they had turned up the clocks for the Mac Pro, since it has so much cooling headroom.

  • @MarbsMusic
    @MarbsMusic ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I've got an M1 Max Studio and still can't push it all the way, can't imagine how fast this thing is! Well beyond my current needs. If they can do this with the M2 Ultra imagine what the M3 will be like?!?!?!

    • @riazulrahil
      @riazulrahil ปีที่แล้ว +8

      In some areas it's still slow like 3D rendering. Apple needs to catch up Nvidia.

    • @bryans8656
      @bryans8656 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here, and I've got the base model Studio Max. I don't see upgrading for a long time.

    • @FOBob-sr1fd
      @FOBob-sr1fd ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bryans8656 My base model Studio Max chews up and spits out everything I can throw at it.

    • @max___9227
      @max___9227 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@riazulrahil That will take time, as most developers find it easy to optimise for nvidia optix and all, and also apple needs to convince and put the work in to convince the developers for metal accelerators and all so that the gpu performance increases, it will be like 2 yrs after which we might see some competition

  • @timbacodes8021
    @timbacodes8021 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what are the specs on these? Ram, Gpu, cpu etc, are these the base models..?

  • @jigsound
    @jigsound ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow. These are some truly remarkable advancements-in just a year's time! 👏

  • @steveseidel9967
    @steveseidel9967 ปีที่แล้ว

    There was a design issue with the M1 ultra. For the GPU, there apparently wasn't enough buffer memory to keep all of the GPUs fed. It scaled pretty well up to about 40 cores, but not much beyond that. The extra buffer memory seems to have resolved that issue well.
    As for the encoders, if you set up batch encoding to run simultaneously, you could leverage both sets of encoders. However, if you were encoding just 1 file, only 1 of the sets of encoders would be used. With the M2 series, they now apply encoders from both half of the chip together on the same task to provide 1.8x acceleration (not completely linear).

  • @Beatsmith2005
    @Beatsmith2005 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video but it's so rare to find anybody that tests the actual CPUs... it's always testing the GPU and the Pro Res media engines. I use Logic X so can't see how much more grunt this would give me over an M1 Ultra. I'm also just bitter because I have an M1 Ultra Studio 😂 Apparently the FCPX speeds are because the Pro Res engines can work on a single file rather than just in parallel.

  • @davidbillberg2203
    @davidbillberg2203 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the uploads lately!

  • @utubekullanicisi
    @utubekullanicisi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are the M2 Max & M2 Ultra tested here the 30 or 38-core variant variant for the M2 Max and 60 or 76-core variant for the M2 Ultra?

  • @RichAesthetic
    @RichAesthetic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw you said the project is a 10bit 4k one, did you export it to a 10bit 4k hevc file or did you export it to an sdr file?

  • @Applecompuser
    @Applecompuser ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the videos. By, the time I am ready to buy (discounted) hopefully all these questions will be answered and the choices much clearer.

  • @AA-rc8uy
    @AA-rc8uy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally a Cinebench & Blender benchmarking for comparison with M1 and RTX

  • @EpimenioGod
    @EpimenioGod ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude love your videos on upgrading old MacBooks and desktop computers

  • @taisy0_
    @taisy0_ ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the number of GPU cores for each model used for GPU testing?

  • @AkAMuzik
    @AkAMuzik ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd like to know if it makes sense to get the M2 Max

  • @henrywycislo9454
    @henrywycislo9454 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am thinking of M2 ultra for Machine Learning and databases. Lots of GPU, CPU and RAM. Amazing machine.

  • @macmovieman1
    @macmovieman1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just bought my M2 ultra today and can’t wait to put it together this weekend

  • @CrisisDog
    @CrisisDog ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the new M2 Max Studio and can say the GPU performance is more acceptable than the M1 Ultra I had previously, but still not perfect. There seems to be a wall when pushing more than 2.5K pixels that may be a memory cache or bandwidth problem. Previous M1 Ultra had bad stuttering issues at 2K; the M2 Max handles 2K (2560x1440) just fine, and I can even get to about 3200x1333 on an ultrawide monitor before performance starts to stutter and tank like the M1 Ultra did with real-time 3D rendering. Sometimes playing with your refresh rate helps, newer monitor works fine with variable framerate while older UltraWide had to be locked at 60hz to provide smooth rendering. I'm much more happier with the M2 Max Studio than the previous M1 Ultra. Also glad I didn't spend more money on the M2 Ultra, as your Rise Of The Tomb Raider benchmarks shows little performance increase, which is what I was fearing with a real time rendering scenario. I think Apple is encountering a situation similar to SLI on the PC side, where apps and drivers have to be tweaked to properly use that secondary (GPU) chip. Sure looks like it's not doing much good with older Rosetta based software.

  • @christopherthake8701
    @christopherthake8701 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This certainly makes me excited for my M3 Upgrade from my 2018 Mac mini next year 😅

  • @MikeyOfLegend
    @MikeyOfLegend 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How far away do you think we are from a Mac taking the place of my PC setup for Blender?

  • @RichsRandomRetroReviews
    @RichsRandomRetroReviews ปีที่แล้ว

    I've just picked up an M2 Mac mini (base except for 16GB RAM) and I can't get over the performance difference of M2 vs M1 in terms of graphics performance. Single core went up by about 200 points, multicore by about 1500 points but Metal and OpenCL were nuts. I have no clue what is inside Apple Silicon but man I'm excited.

  • @user-py6kv2cd3o
    @user-py6kv2cd3o ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you try upgrading the ssd with the new mac pro ssd upgrade kits?

  • @UrbanBDKNY
    @UrbanBDKNY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe there was something like a bus transfer issue on the M1 chips that led to throttling. That issue was removed with the M2
    I am buying an M2 Max. I am shocked and SUPER happy that Apple released this M2 upgrade. I thought they would cripple the Mac Studio this year so that we don't get the same chip as the Mac Pro but Apple didn't do that! I am so surprised and happy!
    Likely getting an M1 Max with 3 Studio Displays (or ViewFinity S9s lol)

  • @LoganSteel
    @LoganSteel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You could always buy an external pcie slot if u need it

  • @chevyyyyyyy
    @chevyyyyyyy ปีที่แล้ว

    Can my intel iMac 2019 screen work with the M2 Ultra?

  • @sherrilltechnology
    @sherrilltechnology ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Luke as always!!

  • @shaocaholica
    @shaocaholica ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are these scores based on the same software/OS versions? Perhaps the software just got better?

  • @ZoranvonderHeide
    @ZoranvonderHeide ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it possible to put a nVidia RTX 4090 in the Mac Pro 2023 and define the RTX 4090 for Final Cut Pro as the primary rendering gpu?

  • @arricammarques1955
    @arricammarques1955 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ideal external screen for M2 Ultra?

  • @Max-ts5mw
    @Max-ts5mw ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I was expecting M2 Ultra to scale somewhat poorly, looking forward to the advances on M3. EDIT: lord im early HD processing hasn’t even finished yet 💀

    • @Tvj_films8452
      @Tvj_films8452 ปีที่แล้ว

      m3 peeps in the chatroom and quickly leaves

  • @RichAesthetic
    @RichAesthetic ปีที่แล้ว

    How fast does it export 10 minute 4k HDR HEVC and 30 minute 4k HDR HEVC?

  • @AnthonyChopra
    @AnthonyChopra ปีที่แล้ว

    my new nvme dose that odd tune noise but ill prob add a heatsync on top and muffle the sound

  • @ArmoredMexican
    @ArmoredMexican ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really excited for your Mac videos. Let’s go Luke!

  • @josehvelez1960
    @josehvelez1960 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what are the specs on the ultra, kind of missed that?

  • @paulruscito4885
    @paulruscito4885 ปีที่แล้ว

    What monitor are you using?

  • @CourtneyEllis
    @CourtneyEllis ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. ❤
    One critique or request: I would have loved to see the video export time comparison for a 4090 in DaVinci Resolve and Premier, compared to what that M2 Mac Studio Ultra can do in Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve and Premier.

    • @SamBorgman
      @SamBorgman ปีที่แล้ว

      According to several comparison videos done by some big tech channels on YT, FCPX always exports way faster than Premier. Adobe is bloatware, always was always will be.

  • @pilotbsinthesky3443
    @pilotbsinthesky3443 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got the max studio upped to 64mb ram and 38 core GPU with 1 TB.. Hoping it holds up for 3-5 years.. plus new gaming with DX12 support, we’ll see on that.

    • @something2sea
      @something2sea ปีที่แล้ว

      64MB ram won't take you far… 64GB though; that's a different story! 😉

  • @The-Rest-of-Us
    @The-Rest-of-Us ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think Apple originally wanted the Mac Studio to be the new Mac Pro. But if they had called it Mac Pro people would have hated it. It would have been like the failed PowerMac G4 Cube or Trashcan Mac Pro all over again. So they did something clever and gave it a new name without ever really replacing the big Mac Pro. One day they might just discontinue the Mac Pro and leave it at that.

  • @chepulis
    @chepulis ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The wheezing sound! I have been getting it! In a very specific case and on the M1 Max 16' Macbook. I've been developing a game using Godot and not capping fps to 120 resulted in this wheezing sound that would come out only when the the game window isn't in focus. Not made by speakers. Doesn't seem to be fans. Super perplexing.

    • @asafblasbergvideographer
      @asafblasbergvideographer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is this a known issue with the wheezing? I'm concerned.

    • @ghost-user559
      @ghost-user559 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could be the actual logic board over volting?

    • @asafblasbergvideographer
      @asafblasbergvideographer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ghost-user559 I'm not sure, sorry. Maybe Luke can let us know ?

    • @chepulis
      @chepulis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@asafblasbergvideographer I only get it in this specific case, after a year of use. Also, Luke's video is the second time i've heard it - or of it.

  • @tribaltek
    @tribaltek ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah, they still haven’t fixed the noise from the M1 Mac Studio.
    The noise on yours will come back. Return it while you can.

    • @bumchack8058
      @bumchack8058 ปีที่แล้ว

      Had the same noise on the Mac Studio M1 Max, returned it. Can not belive they have not fixed it!

  • @Kapono5150
    @Kapono5150 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shout out everyone who can built a PC that beats the coil whining silver box

  • @bryans8656
    @bryans8656 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    With the release of the M2 Studio Ultra the new Mac Pro is going to be a really hard sell. With that huge price difference it's going to appeal to a very select few.

    • @petrzurek5713
      @petrzurek5713 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some will buy it just to flex 🙂

    • @creativestudio101
      @creativestudio101 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you think those PCI slots can be used to add GPUs? Or is that something that is supposedly not possible? Apple wasn't very clear on that...

    • @bryans8656
      @bryans8656 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@creativestudio101 I don't see how it will be possible on Apple silicon, but they might surprise us.

    • @creativestudio101
      @creativestudio101 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bryans8656 I hope so, it's about damn time Apple gets serious about fully supporting 3D stuff... Geez

  • @souvikhalder1510
    @souvikhalder1510 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why there's no other resolution option above 360p luke?

  • @PolluxChung
    @PolluxChung ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can totally see Luke will return the Mac Pro as soon as the video review is filmed.

  • @s.tunafish
    @s.tunafish ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Beautiful this is the most high res video ever recorded on TH-cam! I'm so impressed 😮

  • @thefilmpoets
    @thefilmpoets ปีที่แล้ว

    They need to make this baby in Midnight finish.

  • @denysk.1178
    @denysk.1178 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, what will happen with m3 ultra then?

  • @Crisheight
    @Crisheight ปีที่แล้ว

    Had to wait for the resolution to arrive but we here now

  • @gasaraki8045
    @gasaraki8045 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you use the 60C GPU or 76C GPU version?

  • @HiFiInsider
    @HiFiInsider ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am using Studio with M1 Ultra. I'll wait for M3 Mac Pro to upgrade.

    • @njpme
      @njpme ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you are not maxing out your M1 ULTRA, you can probably miss M3 too

  • @michaelscottcutler3627
    @michaelscottcutler3627 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tripped machine. Thanks, Luke.

  • @techbuddy4245
    @techbuddy4245 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Luke, what is this monitor? It looks damn good!

  • @utubekullanicisi
    @utubekullanicisi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:57 Let me tell you how they did it: The E-cores in the M2 generation are improved more than the P-cores are (at least when it comes to the core itself, the P-cores have 33% higher L2 cache while the E-cores have the same amount), they're clocked 20% higher (2.05GHz vs. 2.5GHz) and in contrast to the P-cores the IPC of the E-cores are improved a little bit as well, for a total of about 25% perf. improvement. Compare that to the P-cores, which are unchanged in terms of the core architecture and clocked 8.3-14% higher (depending on how many of the are active, when 1 is active on the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra the P-core boosts to 3.68GHz while if more than 1 is active they boost to ~3.3-3.5GHz, while on the base M2 the max P-core boost clock is 3.5GHz). So don't belittle the inclusion of 2-4 more E-cores (without more E-cores, the faster P and E-cores on the base M2 has achieved 15-18% perf. improvement, but the P/E-core ratio is different on the base M2).

  • @ColinKlupiec
    @ColinKlupiec 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Luke, you're right, the experience you have will depend on what you're using it for (naturally). I find the M2 Max is still sluggish in DaVinci Resolve Fusion. Perhaps Resolve isn't quite as optimised yet for Apple Silicon. Perhaps the Ultra provides the extra GPU performance needed to smoothly run VFX in Fusion. Serious work demands serious investment..nothing new there either.

  • @jax10x
    @jax10x ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does it compete against i9 13900k or R9 7900x?

  • @SpicerDavid
    @SpicerDavid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just a heads up this appears to only be available in 360p

  • @lazytv363
    @lazytv363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can u do a test with unreal engine and games I want to get it to replace my pc with an rtx 4080

  • @asafblasbergvideographer
    @asafblasbergvideographer ปีที่แล้ว

    Luke, can you do Resolve export renders?

  • @MoisesRodriguezplus
    @MoisesRodriguezplus ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get that wallpaper? Is it an m2 exclusive?

  • @johnqsak
    @johnqsak ปีที่แล้ว

    IPC improvements on CPU can up the score not just Ghz or core count.

  • @JohnnyW36
    @JohnnyW36 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just bought the M2 MacStudio hopefully it can meet the MacPro requirements.

  • @bennym1956
    @bennym1956 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm still using an iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017 16 GB 2400 MHz DDR4, so any M series Apple will be a HUGE upgrade this year ! I don't do any video editing / programing so my needs are lower. So for the best bang for my bucks is looking like the new M2 Mac Mini, maybe better processor and more ram. Buy external HD storage cheaper. Possibly use Luna to connect Mac Mini to iMac !

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A video that highlights super graphics, is in 360P? . . . THAT Blew My Mind!

    • @gregstus
      @gregstus ปีที่แล้ว +3

      youtube hasnt finished processing it yet

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gregstus I was wondering🤣

  • @samn6760
    @samn6760 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone tell me how loud this is? Or, if it’s loud?

  • @alanhughes651
    @alanhughes651 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this testing the 60 core or the 76 core?

  • @MajorPickleSwag
    @MajorPickleSwag ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has me excited for the M3 chips

  • @lgmarquez5469
    @lgmarquez5469 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great! Love the 360p video on my XDR display 😁

  • @Korculanac11
    @Korculanac11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Luke, love the wallpaper, where can I find it?

  • @kinoromantic
    @kinoromantic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey there Luke! Long time subscriber of yours here. Good content, however, as a video/film editor I gotta say the tests should also include the application of effects to 4K, 6K and even 8K timelines - camera files can be found through Blackmagic and RED sites. With M1 macs I found out the hard way that they are good at just editing (even in 12K) but as soon as you begin doing color, motion tracking, masking etc the "entry level" models (M1 16, 32) bottle neck very fast and you need an external SSD if you're caching for optimization's sake, because internal one will fill very fast even a terabyte one. So a lot of the tests paint M1/M2 macs as these "miracle machines" without ever mentioning the real world conditions when if you're making a feature or even a 10 minute + short film you have much more than a couple of b rolls with color grade applied.

    • @kinoromantic
      @kinoromantic ปีที่แล้ว

      @Needcreative Well yea, basically, I've been staying on 4K recording for a while because anything higher in resolution aspects bottle necks my M1 Pro, and at the end of the day, the content is being watched on a phone or a 1080p screen at best. Any benefit of higher resolution is obliterated because most of our screens can handle 4K max. On my LG ultra fine display the difference stops being visible past the 4K timeline setting. But it's still interesting to push the limits and see where they're at with any gear you end up using )

  • @daol03
    @daol03 ปีที่แล้ว

    And i'm still rocking a macbook air early 2015 with only 4gb ram and monterey installed but it works for surfing,coding, videos :) but the M1-M2 cpu's looks awesome.