Is Swordmaster Really a Bad Class?
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- Yes.
The amount of benefit to effort ratio of using Swordmaster is not worth it. Needing to give everyone canto, combat positional skills, and using abilities that Swordmasters would have a hard time obtaining (Hit+20, Wrath, and Pass on Bernadetta), you are better of using Wyvern Lords or Assassins.
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What is Bernadetta's best class?
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Holy Knight Bernadetta The Woke? I thought not. It's not a story the Casuals would tell you. It's an insanity legend. Holy Knight Bernadetta was a level 30 unit of the Empire, so powerful and so wise she could use her Vengeance to influence the HP bars to OHKO everything… She had such a knowledge of the memes that with Rescue she could even keep the ones she cared about from dying. The SOYO side of the Meta is a pathway to many strategies some consider to be unnatural. She became so powerful… the only thing she was afraid of was losing her power, which eventually, of course, she did. Unfortunately, she taught Dark Bishop Caspar everything she knew, then Caspar killed her in her sleep. Ironic. She could save others from death, but not herself.
All of them
the answer is all of them
Gimmick Answer: Assassin or Trickster.
Reason: Stealth + Vengeance
Less Gimmicky Answer: War Cleric
Reason: Persecution Complex + 4 hits.
Problem: That's a lot of work just to make Bernie silly.
@@szarkuwu Very nice and funny story :) I want to try Bernie Holy Knight now. I usually play her Gremory for 6 rescues and I always thought Holy Knight is bad compared to Dark Knight. Can you please explain what does SOYO mean ?
@@taliansafou7951 SOYO is a type of Fire Emblem run where players take turns giving each other units. The phrase stands for Screw Over Your Opponent.
As for Holy Knight Bernadetta. When using Vengeance her class doesnt matter that much. Holy Knight for her is kind off a sweet spot between Movement, Utility and Easy of Access because she can fairly easily get Riding and Lance and then she needs Faith brinding high movement Rescue. This way she can rescue forward unlike Gremory
okay but Astra actually has a unique Combat Art animation, therefore Swordmaster is top tier 😏
Imagine if it only cost 5 Dur and was .5 Mt per hit like it used to.
@@nategwright When it said Mt, I thought it only meant Weapon Mt, not the amount of damage you actually deal. If that were the case, it would still do at least 4× as much damage as a regular attack, which MAY justify the 9 durability cost and lowered hit.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 It does mean the actual Weapon Mt. In previous FE games, Astra dealt 2.5x damage if all 5 hits land with no penalty to accuracy, making it extremely beneficial when it procs, especially if you can’t double, and it’s even better when you can. Because it’s a proc skill in past games, it didn’t prevent you from following up if you could already, meaning you may be dealing 3.5x damage in one round, or 5x if you got it twice. Astra in Three Houses deals 1.5x damage if all hits connect, and that’s with -10 Hit. That means you’re doing worse damage than just hitting twice, which tends to be pretty easy for Swordmasters, making Astra strictly worse, because attacking normally would deal 2x damage for only 2 durability, meanwhile Astra will deal only 1.5x damage _if_ all hits connect (but still has worse Hit) and it costs a whopping 9 durability, and you can’t follow up because it’s a combat art, not a procced skill.
Another thing that made Astra good was crit chances. Not only did Astra stack on top of your regular damage, but each hit had an individual chance to crit, which could, at best, bring your damage up to 15x if every hit crit, but normally would give you a very respectable 3.5x if even just one crits. Meanwhile, Astra in Three Houses is only going to increase the damage on a hit to .9 Mt on any given crit, to a maximum of 4.5x if all of them crit, which is unlikely due to your reduced hit. Even the best critfishing builds are better off just swinging normally because there’s no Hit penalty and they only need to crit twice and the damage is now 6x.
This disparity is even greater if you’re using a Brave Sword, because you’re dealing 4x damage if you double, 6x if one crits, and a whopping 24x damage if all four crit, which is still better odds than critfishing with Astra and much greater returns. The only situation where Astra is better is if you can’t double or you absolutely cannot risk taking a counterattack, in which case you should be using Wrath Strike anyway.
For Astra to be viable, it really oughta cost 5 durability (one per hit, whaddya know), attack with .5 Mt like before, and probably remove the Hit penalty (if that’s broken then leave it in, but the might and durability cost _need_ to be fixed). If it were up to me I’d maybe bump the crit chance by like 5 too.
I don’t know what IS was thinking when they made Astra this bleh, but at least it looks cool as hell.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Sorry, didn’t realize how much of an essay that was until I posted it.
@@nategwright Please, that's a rough draft compared to stuff I've written lmao
Joking aside, I miss offensive skills in general.
Sword master isn’t bad, there’s usually just better opti-
oh my god they’re all sword masters…
Respect.
Astra might not be efficient, but it looks cool and that’s all that matters.
Astra *is* efficient, you just have to know how to use it effectively.
[memebuild: swordmaster Seteth has entered the chat]
Memes aside, Astra is garbage
@@Tim7318-3 YOU DON'T
@@IntrusiveThot420 what abotu swordmaster haneman?
I don’t remember hearing that “WITH PLEASURE” from Bernadetta. Don’t tell me that’s one of her hidden quotes bc that’s so sad
i thought it was edited but IT IS a hidden quote....
😂💀
Honestly, I don't really like how some people act like there are only certain proper ways to play the game. It's true Swordmasters lack a flier's movement and all, but their crit rates never disappoint when paired with Wo Dao+ or Cursed Ashiya Sword+, they have equal offense growth as Falcon Knights, and Astra can be used as an emergency or to one-shot certain bosses when built right. Not saying they're better than fliers or as good as them, but they can be very fun and swords have better crit, hit, and dodge rate than lances and axes and it's good to have at least one Swordmaster in your team.
Swordmaster Felix with woa dao+, swordcrit +10 and the crit ring is one of my favourite units on maddening. He can one round and even one shot most enemies when he reaches the class. And with his raw speed he doubles almost everything. Give him a bow for 2 range and he is naar unstoppable
Swords having better hit or crit is such a misconception tho. Its true that swords as weapons have more hit than axes, however swords gain less hit from Sword Prowess.
What this mean is that while Woa Dao+ has 90 hit and Killer Axe has 70 hit when you throw Prowess into the mix you end up with 9 Might 100 hit 40 crit Wo Dao+ vs 12 Might 90 hit 35 crit Killer Axe+.
Since crits scale exponentially i think losing 10 hit and 5 crit for 3 might is a good deal. Especially since Astra takes away 10 hit anyway.
Additionally Axes have access to Smash. A universal D rank Combat Art that boosts Crit and Hit by another 20. Sunder is the best Crit Sword combat art which is 15 which only equalizes Crit with Smash.
So in conclusion even in their percieved strengths swords are simply lackluster.
@@daveijbema2213 Yeah, I tried Felix as swordmaster before, along with Catherine and they’re really fun to use, and they can orko just anyone they fight and dodge a lot of attacks too. And yeah their nice speed pairs well with swords since they’re lighter.
@@szarkuwu Not saying swords are better than axes but I do think they can match up. You didn’t mention that swords are lighter too. I do think axes are slightly better late game, but for early game, axes can’t really hit with lower boost from Prowess and units don’t have enough strength compensate for their weight. Swords have decent early game potential and there’s also Cursed Ashiya Sword+ that has even higher crit than Wo Dao+ and any weapon in the game.
@@page-no1zc I didnt mention weight because doubling beyond mid game where enemies have Steel Weapons especially without Darting Blow is a pipe dream. Early you are too slow, late you can spam combat arts and Braves reducing the value.
Now even in early game Axes dont really have hit issue. Comparing Training Sword+ vs Axe+ using their generic combat art and prowess at 1.
Sword
8 Might 115 Hit 0 Crit 2 Weight
Axe
9 Might 107 Hit 20 Crit 4 Weight
The differences are minimal. But lets also look at Irons at Prowess 2.
Iron Axe+
11 Might 110 Hit 20 Crit 7 Weight
Iron Sword+
11 Might 116 Hit 0 Crit 5 Weight
The best Sword in the game in Rapier is really good tho
I like how the game plays the unit loss music on Death Knight and Hubert even though they're the most comically evil people.
Well actually the members of TWSITD are the most comically evil ones
I don't recall it playing on Death Knight, there was only silence.
EDIT: Never mind, that was when I was playing Azure Moon route.
Bernadetta immediately critting and killing the boss reminds me of so many times I've done that in other games. It never fails to make me laugh. You'll never get past me! *dies immediately*
The only thing that would have made that exact moment better is if it had been Lysithea.
Hubert: Not even death will make you consequential.
Lysithea: You're irrelevant!
Lol did she just fucking vantage Hubert? Legendary
Death Knight said the line!
It's fine for a dodgetanking Ferdinand - you can get 100% Evade on every single enemy. Granted it was on Hard, cause Maddening wasn't out yet, and you lose a Dancer, cause you need the Sword-Avoid boost,but it was fun seeing Ferdinand dodge literally everything, including Silver Snow Immaculate One.
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Warmaster's better anyway. You go war cleric for brawl avo+20, brawl lv5 still gives 20 dodge, he has more 20 avo ground battalions to pick from, doesn't eat up a flying adjutant, and he can just mulch entire maps solo.
Actually, I think Dex and Luck are the only 2 stats that receive very little boosts from Hard to Maddening, so Dodge Tanking would still be fairly consistent.
A little part of me dies every time I see Dancer sacrificed to make a meme dodge tank build.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 i think it's legitimate on your first playthrough, when you are most likely to be doing maps blind. I brought 4 dodge tanks and a chalice of beginnings wrath/vantage unit to that stupid Indech map, where the map is like 99% ambush spawns in fog of war.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Wow, what a stupid take
Sword masters were routinely awesome in older FE games. Crit rate was high, they never got touched, and usually had cool characters that were myrmidons
Joshua from Sacred Stones is still my fav. On par with Byleth.
@@melkorstormcrown6939 duuuude same. Fucking love Joshua, i always hit max Str skill and speed. And obvs Natasha support. I never played Byleths game, so cant compare sadly
@@Kainvainslay just bought 3Houses yesterday for my switch. It is amazingly good with so much to do in the game.
always found sword master pretty decent, even despite all the nerf IS likes to throw at them for reasons
I just don't find Astra worth in this game though, it was much better in Awakening/Fates, or earlier games, now it really feel nerfed :/
HA, Try FE10/Radiant Dawn lol/FE4. It did full damage not half. Yeah crits were negated for FE10 but you could stack astra so much it was broken as hell. Add a brave sword and you'd see Astra with full damage and spam it. FE4 Ayra was a monster in Arenas for that reason alone. And in FE10 you had Adept which you could give EVEN more turns for a chance rate with it as a skill which was based on Speed in RD, not skill. Anyway it's more here is a case of gambits and the ring which are more of the broken part and three houses pretty high crits in general.
@@nah4467 Skill based adept is fine too, as swordmaster excel in those stats anyway.
While it's really strong in those games, each hit cost a use (which is still less than -9 in TH) but at least it doesn't overkill,in PoR, you hit 5 times tho, so you'll always consume 5 uses when 2 were enough
But yeah, TH has other broken stuff, and Astra used to be way stronger, we'll have to see in later games if the skill come back or not
@@gabrielclamens3151 vantage wrath is usually more reliable for example
@@gabrielclamens3151 They need offensive skills back in general
I mean it had to be nerfed after having Ryoma in fates obliterate everything in its path
Everyone passing Yuri's relic around so they can move a few additional spaces lmaooooo 😂😂
Wow that’s some nice fretters movement, never seen stuff like that before
Then you should see this: th-cam.com/video/oDIWY_KW_mU/w-d-xo.html
Even more Fetters trading to one turn SS endgame
he kinda stopped like a looney tunes character to check if he there was still ground beneath him, then screamed and died hahaha
I love when as a swordmaster the crit% is 100% lmaooo
Hubert:It's almost a shame to kill you...
Bernie Bear:With pleassure!
(Proceds to literally obliterate Hubert)
i like how they kick each other to push them forward AHAHHAHAHHA
Playing it like radiant Dawn and I respect that 😂.
finally, a channel making Three Houses content, how long I have searched for this day...but legit, cool to see someone making 3H vids in this day and age as someone who still gets a kick out of replaying the game.
I never thought about giving Bernadetta the Chalice of Life. Her strength is a little low even with the damage boost from her personal skill.
Swordmaster only run? Now that sounds fun.
Swordmasters aren't bad it's just their exclusive combat art that sucks.
Just because you can make Lysithea into a swordmaster doesn't mean you should
Fine. Great Knight Lysithea then.
@@triabolical
Low key.
Armor Lysithea is actually really good. Fortress Knight MIGHT still be better than Great Knight, though.
The tankiness from the class completely shores up her frailty, Lysithea doesn't care about the poor STR, (and getting Warrior to correct that STR is honestly fine anyways), and her natural Mag keeps her dealing nuclear damage if you get Levin Swords and Bolt Axes into her meaty paws. She starts a bit weak, but turns into an absolute bulldozer by around the first battle of the Eagle and Lion. Her unique Sword art is also surprisingly reliable for absolutely wrecking shit from the safety of a tin can.
I would use Fortress Knight or Great Knight Lysithea FAR before I touched Swordmaster Lysithea.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Now I'm tempted
I made a swordmaster Lysithea. Why? I wanted to turn FE3H into an enemy-phase game.
Levin swords range lets her counter everything, her obscenely high magic makes her one-round everything, sword avoid +20 plus alert stance+ plus natural high sword avoid plus evasion bracelet means nothing ever hits her so her frailty doesn't exist.
This is only recommended for normal/hard if you do it on maddening you're gonna have a bad time.
What was bernie's entire setup? Weapons, Equipables Things, Abilities etc.
Whatever your standard high crit Swordmaster with a Wo Dao+ has plus Pass and Hit+20.
They were passing around fetters of dromi at the start for canto. She's using vantage for sure, wrath for the crit+% below 50% probably too.
So wrath, vantage, hit +20, pass and crit +10 from S sword.
@@phuoc8668 thanks, I now know how to bernie solo.
@@phuoc8668 Its Sword Prowess instead of Sword Crit+10.
@@triabolical Oh nice, that helps too (specially on the accuracy department)
I think Houses is balanced enough where every class can be somewhat viable, but other classes require minimal investment and can be just as good or even better than a swordmaster with a lot of investment.
I was already on the verge but Marianne using smite had me crying
"I've been waiting for you" He says before Byelth blinks in front of him and proceeds to murder him.
The most OP thing in 3 houses is training everyone in flying and giving them all alert stance+ and stacking other dodge bonuses, everyone is invincible especially the way the rng rolls 2 seperate dice to determine 1-100 making numbers in the middle much more common so if you have 80% chance chance to avoid its more like 95%
This is how smash fans see every single fire emblem character
Please, children use swordmasters.
A real adult would use Hero class.
An ascended hero would use War Master with a sword.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Not this one.
Hero doesn't have much going for it.
Bernie is broken, I wouldn't be surprised to see a good magic Bernie.
So, this is basically what smash fans think FE is like. Literally all swords and nothing else
Hardly, it has sword crit which stacks with another sword crit as well swordfaire. It's also an easy to unlock class, since only sword rank matters, unlike most other advanced classes.
I wasn’t expecting Bernie to smash Hubert that hard. I married them in my last playthrough :’D
I don't really agree with the way people tell others how to play the game. You don't need to say "don't use swordmaster, use assassin or wyvern Lord instead." Why not just allow people to play however they'd like? It's not like the game is really that hard even on hard mode. And even on maddening mode, swordmaster isn't unviable at all. Plus, not everybody wants to play flier emblem, you know.
For the record, I've used swordmaster even on maddening mode. I've used Byleth, Catherine, Felix, Dimitri, Edelgard and Yuri in the swordmaster class. And I've used swordmaster Yuri on my most recent maddening playthrough. So yes, it's perfectly viable even on maddening mode. And Yuri turned out pretty good with it too, so it's not like he turned out badly.
Astra isn't worth it. But free sword faire and sword crit +10 is definitely useful. Not to mention the growths are pretty good too.
Swordmaster happened to be what so many of the characters fit into naturally. It was good, just a bit overdone in my opinion.
For Astra in Three Houses, the damage output is not worth the durability investment.
This is why you don't go online for opinions
Me saying everyone uses wyvern lords for anyone then there’s this guy who clearly saw kill bill
Swordmaster in FE is like Paladin in DnD. People will dick ride it to the ends of the earth no matter how good or bad it is.
I swear man this is bernadetta’s theme
I know Swordmasters was hella broken in Fates
Bernadetta best girl
**frlix has entered the battlefield**
what the hell did i just watch. i am perplexed lol
Did an all General run, worst hell of all time
Description is wrong. The only bad classes are Lord and Mortal Savant where every other option in those tiers blows them out of the water.
That extra crit on Swordmaster instead of +1 move on Assassin is worth considering to make crits more consistent. Also the Stealth skill could really mess up enemy targeting for the worse if you're trying to enemy phase. Astra is also not great but does see a niche in maddening where if you're not doubling anyway a 1.5x~ damage attack instead isn't so bad.
If there was a single class that got an insane buff in three hopes... it'd definitely be this one
Its kinda cool lysithea can use thunderbrand. I wish more people gave it a shot though...
Everyone can use Thunderbrand
@@yamisean3298 Lysithea is the only other unit with the Crest of Charon who can use Foudroyant Strike.
@@AkameGaKillfan777
Leonie with Thunderbrand > Lysithea with Thunderbrand > Catherine with Thunderbrand. Fite me.
I feel like sword master you need multiple playthroughs to make it worth it saving up renown.
I feel like I just witnessed war crimes that was actually disgusting
Is this game good I've played everyone but this one it seems kind of whack to me
Do you mean you've played the other Fire Emblems? This is my favorite Fire Emblem. It has almost unlimited customization, one of the better stories, and all the characters... Mostly all the characters avoid being 1 dimensional tropes.
It's definitely not perfect, but what it does well, it does so well that I could care less.
@@91whydoesitmatter19 ok I'll check it out it's cool you can custom class characters
I only use it to fix bad spd procs.
Swordmaster is best class. Why? Swords.
Meanwhile, in fire emblem 6...
Meanwhile, in FE6….
swordmaster only good for astra
>Only bad with Astra
The main problem with swordmaster is that you don't get anything worthwhile for mastering it and Assassin exists in the exact same level, is the exact same idea as a foot sword class, and has +1 move and tells terrain movement penalties that it doesn't believe in them.
In short, Assassin is literally Swordmaster But Better despite being unlocked at the same level.
Swordmasters have better HP, Strength Defense, and Sword Crit+10. Both class masteries suck.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 1 def, 1 HP, and sword crit are all negligible. 2 str is nice but doesn't come close to making up for losing out on having mobility only beaten by flyers.
@@moonmelons Yeah, disagree with that one. Stealth is one of the most useless abilities in the game, while Sword Crit+10 is actually good.
Yet Valkyrie is considered to be better than Dark Flier.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 no, sword crit 10 is just as worthless as when swordmasters got 15 crit in older games.
Also you didn't mention how valkery has a lot of things going for it. +4 magic, +30 hit, and very importantly +1 range. That one is actually big because it does a lot to mitigate the lower mobility. Let's the class not have to move as far to attack, let's it be aggressive on player phase and safe on enemy phase, let's it avoid being countered. And dark flier is STILL viable and not far behind it just off of flier mobility.
@@moonmelons Oh, you can mod classes to be like they were in previous games? Do tell.
Well well Swordmaster... Perso I think it pretty much just a worse Assassin but if you are crazy it could be the best way to get Sword Ctrit + 20 quickly... (if you rush Sword lvl like S and go Swordmaster you get + 20 crit I guess... but like it is really that good I don't fell like it worth it and overall perso I prf a more all rounded unite like Assassin or something.)
Also not too sure where you get Counter atk and Vantage on Swordmaster but ok.
Any way Swordmaster is kinda like Heroe in my opinion not the worse but like just outshine by alot of other classes.
Heroes in this game is odly closer to a Berserker than it is to the old Heroe who would have got good spd and weight - 5 as a classe skill. like no Joke they would have got a free sheild and would have been quite fast in the frist place makeing them good tanky unite now they got vantage and defiant STR that fell alot closer to Berserker Or Swordmaster (since swordmaster had vantage most of the time in the pass..)
Vantage from mastering the Mercenary class, Counterattack from the Retribution Gambit and Chalice of Beginnings item.
Swordmasters also have more strength than Assassins.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 There something that really give counter atk interesting sond kinda op not going to lie tho I would say that sond the OP think more than the sword master itself. :D Overall I prf Assassin just because of Mobility into hard to move forest and I quite like shade too.
@@charleouel9012 You can also get Counterattack from mastering Jeritza's Death Knight Class in Crimson Flower Part 2
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Well that make sense I guess :) But yah still it quite a good skill overall (Well I guess it kinda niche since most of the time your attacking but yah for those rare boss with 10 range weapons or something it kinda crazy good)
@@charleouel9012 Also good for Archers that outrange throwing weapons.
No. Who told you that?
A lot of people.
"Oh no, doesn't have 6 movement or pass through terrain." Never mind that it has better HP, Strength and Defense than Assassins, and has Sword Crit +10.
By that logic I'm supposed to find War Masters worse than Grapplers(Yes I know they both have 6 movement.)
My big issue with Swordmaster in 3H is the opportunity Cost.
Yes, Astra can be incredible in a pinch, since the bonus damage is higher than many other combat arts and is more likely to guarantee a kill if you're not quite there, unless you're dealing with very low numbers (Since you're dealing with a multiplier and not a small number bonus.) But you need to master Swordmaster to learn it, and then you have to STAY Swordmaster to USE it. And this means you're not mastering other classes and collecting powerful skills that can be passed on to ANYTHING.
Sometimes I go back to swordmaster once a character has their "build" locked in, just for the option of the Astra Clutch. But let's be honest, if we're talking NG glitchless on difficulties above the lowest one (since it enables infinite grind for class/skill mastery,) is this reliably going to happen? And if I'm using glitches or NG+ to get quick and easy access to all the skills someone might need, why not just make them a class that's generally more reliable across the board?
Don''t get me wrong. I'm not a metagaming elitist. I don't deploy hordes of Wyvern Lords, for example. In fact, I generally gravitate towards infantry units since I prefer their animations, to tell you how suboptimally I play. At most I might have like a Bow Knight and a Falcoknight alongside my army of foot soldiers. So consider that even I look at swordmasters and just go "why?" That opportunity cost is just too steep for NG Glitchless on Hard or Maddening.
Yeah, one thing I won't defend about Swordmasters is Astra. Hunter's Volley, Fierce Iron Fist, and even War Master's Strike and Triangle Attack are more powerful and take less durability.
You know you can dismount Wyvern Lords to get infantry animations, even better stats, but still move over stuff when you need to, right?
Wyvern Lords are even better non mounted units than most other units.
War Master gets close, though, and mounted Bow Knight is PROBABLY better than dismounted Wyvern Lord.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 that’s not true in the slightest about being better non mounted since you’d just have a not flying unit that can only use the garbage gambit selection of fliers. The main selling point of non flying units is their massive selection of excellent gambits. Once the few good flying gambits are gone even holy knight is better then a wyvern dismounted 100% of the time. While there’s a few good gambits for fliers once those run out you’d be better off with using not flying stuff for the rest of your cast and half of those good flying gambits are locked to Golden dear between claude and flying impregnable wall. And that’s without even considering that magic units only have 1 flying gambit locked to dlc so a dark knight or holy knight is always gonna be better then a levin sword falco knight without dlc. And heck if you got a warper or two war master is gonna be better as well as well as some advanced classes like sniper thanks to hunters volley.
@@ultimaterecoil1136 Exactly. I see so, SO many people insisting that literally EVERYONE's best class is Wyvern Lord and you should just run EVERYONE as one, and I'm just like "But I want to actually have enough batallions for everyone to have one equipped, AND have access to Adjutants besides attackers!" So yeah, screw the obsession people have with Wyvern Lords; it's quite literally the "Fox Only, Final Destination Only" mindset of people refusing to engage with most of what a game has to offer in favor of the FOOS (FIrst Order Optimal Strategy, aka "the most effective low-effort strategy that sees a lot of play due to being accessible and working.)
For skill learning I just use auxiliary battles. I unequip weapons, put the unit that has to master a class in a forest an let it be attacked for many turns, making sure to heal him as needed.
There are no bad classes.. just bad skills and stat improvements 🥺
Neither of which Swordmasters have.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 astra is fun
@@StarkSpider24 In Awakening and Fates
No. It's just outshone by flyers, paladin, war master, and gremory/bishop/warlock(how would you like your Lindhart?)
gremory.
lol.
Paladin and Bishop? Lol no
@@AkameGaKillfan777
Bishop is alright for male white magic casters.
If they have a decent physical statline, and especially if they don't have Physic, getting them into Holy Knight, or making them your Dancer is usually better, but, I mean, Linheart for example, you just want him to cast support magic, which he does best from Bishop. Also, credit has to go to Bishop for having a surprisingly okay defense base that most squishy magic units want.
Anyone that's a Paladin definitely wants a promotion to Bow Knight, Dark Knight, or Holy Knight, though.
I do have to protest Gremory. Gremory is a terrible class for anyone not happy sitting in Bishop, and even then, just use Dark Knight.
The only thing you MIGHT want Gremory for is for being able to actually cast Meteor or Bolting once, before never using the last cast. But, honestly, Bishop does the job just fine, you don't really want to ever actually cast those spells.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I mean, gremory is probably the best class for building a glass cannon and warp range(i guess the only easy gremory who has warp is lysithea tho), paladin has the defensive stats to back up the lack of reliable 1-2 range, so unless the paladin is leonie, or maybe lorenz, who has an alright res growth on top of the additions from paladin(+i think ten or so res and defense growth) so while dark knight lorenz is viable, (unlike DK sylvain, for example, that's just a meme) I wouldn't use it.
@@generalkenobi3609
Dark Knight is almost always the best class for magical offense, Canto alone makes up for anything you lose over other classes, except the odd offensive Faith caster. Gremory for Warp isn't really any better than Bishop, nobody really wants BOTH extra white and Dark magic uses, and it is only really for if Master Seals have stopped being useful, for niche Warp specialization.
Possibly Dark Flier, but, I dunno, I didn't get the DLC.
Dark Knight is just a mage class, though, physical units want nothing to do with it (POSSIBLE exception for Edelgard, I haven't tested it at all, though). Holy Knight is a bit of a meme, but it actually is pretty good for primarily physical units that have half-decent spells you want to keep access to, and is a great final class for any of the White Magic stooges that you've dragged to endgame; characters like Sylvain, Raphael, in-house Ingrid, Ferdinand, or Caspar can all end up half decent in the role, having a good mix of mobility, durability, and always having something to do on their turn. It's why it's a natural progression from Paladin or Bishop. If they don't have the stats to make a good Bow Knight, making them a Holy Knight keeps their general usability, while giving your team more support magic on the Paladin side, and if they don't have the raw magical power to justify Dark Knight, Holy Knight can at least keep them moving and alive, though that is less clear in the case of Linheart almost exclusively. It's a bit of a demotion to support class, but that's not a bad thing if you already have a good core of Wyverns, Bow Knights, and/or War Masters.
I imagine War Cleric/Priest might be worth it for Raphael specifically, getting him on a horse after demoting him to Priest is a pain in the ass, and honestly I usually don't bother, and it's probably nice to get Hilda and Catherine Fistfaire, but, again, can't say too much.
Though, Sylvain in particular, I maintain is the best choice for Dancer in the game, entirely because of how bulky he is, how well that synergizes with Dancer's bonus levels, how mediocre his white magic list is, and how much his offense is dependent on Swift Strikes. He's not a unit whose utility you miss, that can dance in the most dangerous of circumstances, because pretty much nothing can kill him. Holy Knight is still on the table, buuuuuut, kind of bleh. Sylvain as a whole falls off pretty hard around midgame if he's not your Dancer or doesn't get some unusual stat blessing, and you can almost always count on having him. Unless you ran Male Byleth for some reason.
And Lorenz is just a weird unit. The writing is on the wall for Dark Knight, but, Holy Knight tends to be better for true hybrid units, but Lorenz and White Magic don't really mix, I dunno man. I usually just drop Lorenz early if I play GD.
Depends on game but in most they are bad honestly then we have fe6 sword masters.
They're one of the best in Fates.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 definitely thanks to 1-2 range being rare and pretty bad unless it's magic or throwing weapons the main problem for swordmasters in lacking enemy phase is gone fate then you have the 2 of the best 1-2 range weapons being swords swordmaster is no becomes a no brainer especially for conquest corrin but swordmasters in fe6 mange to be even more ridiculous than fates.
@@charsage1036 In Fates Swordmasters have a hidden Avo and Crit boost the game doesn't explicitly state. All 3H had to do was give it 6 movement and Avo +10 and people would like it more.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 didn't know the avoid thing in fates but honestly for three houses sword master is a rather solid class far from bad honestly one of more balanced versions of the class.
@@charsage1036 I can actually kill enemies with it more consistently than Assassins, and I don't lose 95% of my Battalions like with fliers.
You'd think I'd gravitate more towards Assassins though lol
Levin sword is legit so busted lmao I cleared the whole black eagle route with Lysithea using Levin. Enemies just suicide themselves onto her...
not bad just unimpressive
Yes.
Personally, If I had the game, I would make my Byleth a swordmaster class, maybe it's not that good because of movement and lack of skills but at the same time, it has clean animations and I'd like to make my own decisions rather than going with what's recommended.
Byleth will always use their own personal unique animations when using swords. This overrides any unique animations offered by classes like Swordmaster and Assassin. The same applies for Edelgard with axes, Dimitri with lances, and Claude with bows.
I liked bouncing between Swordmaster and Assassin depending on the map, even on Maddening. Sometimes that +1 MOV and ability to rush through bushes is too good to pass up (looking at you, Reunion chapters...)
@@chaos691
Aye.
Only mounted sword animations override Byleth's sword animations.
While I think only Claude has unique mounted animations.
I've never mounted Edelgard or Dimitri before, so I'm not certain.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Edelgard and dimitri have default mount animation. Theres a source for Edelgard th-cam.com/video/4M6y93THvpU/w-d-xo.html and armor knight class line also override edel's animation. I have no source for mounted Dimitri but based on my memory he has the default one.